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gadgetmall

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #360 on: December 03, 2009, 02:08:40 AM »
This problem is an engineering problem which can be solved by some electronics, no? I think the big focus now is amplyfing this effect. From hours for charging the bcap to a few seconds. Then these can start heating homes. There's no need to hold back or be shy. IST seems to be heading into this direction too.
:) Well Yes  Ist is heading into House voltage using Inverters ,i Think . But for now this little project for the ou contest wont . It might keep your hamster nice and cozy in the winter or summer :)  Or maybe a well insulated Dog house .you will need a good 2 or 300 bcaps to heat a home . And that might be an option for some if you think how much you pay in gas and electricity verse . Also there is no way to charge these caps up in seconds unless you got access to a 200 amp charger . I have already burned out a good 10 amp battery charger trying to charge one up .Had it for over 10 years  :(   They require a Constant Current supply as battery Chargers see them as a Dead Short ! We are doing good to charge them up ANY with an AA battery and a JT . And so i have been trying various Coils to cut the time to charge down and if you guys have the time i woul dlike you to measure your Input and output current on your Jt circuits using a 1 volt source . I am getting 5-6 Milliamps off the 2n2222a  C E junction . None off a secondary so far . only volts and Microamps . These caps like current and eat it up in a big way ,by storing it and amplifying it .

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #361 on: December 03, 2009, 02:42:28 AM »
Thank you @gagetmall and @jadaro!!

We have a simple comparator voltage decision to solve as simple as possible on our hands here.

The need is to have the device to give a shot to fill the 1.5v and then stop and wait for the next shot.

I think that the solution is to build a circuit parallel to the bcap circuit, sharing only the negative.  It will have its own flash cap to give it its one shot and stop.

You know that it can be make to work four different ways of turning on an led with the same 1.5v. I did it once with three.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg148135#msg148135

With that idea in mind, the circuit to be added can be designed.

Jesus

Thermo switch may work, ..they cut of when they reach a certain temperature, looks a bit like a diode.

edit; I apologize this is a crap example, i don't think they're fast enough, plus they take time to turn back on...often more than a few minutes.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #362 on: December 03, 2009, 02:54:59 AM »
@Gadetmall,

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It might keep your hamster nice and cozy in the winter or summer

What if you have a 10,000+ square foot hamster cage?  :D

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #363 on: December 03, 2009, 02:56:40 AM »
IST:

No one has ever won the human race but, guys like you and Gadget make it fun to watch. (An adaptation of a quote from Kinky Friedman)  Keep on keeping on guys.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #364 on: December 03, 2009, 03:02:27 AM »
the ones that i have and i have 4 of them are 12vdc triggers ..

they are 3 phase ac ss relays up to 500v 40 a or something like that ..  you go tic it goes bang bang bang

ist

gadget this is why i ordered and designed by 6

i could use 10 on the output.. so as i have more amprage  still 12vdc ..

im almost finished mounting the 4 ring unit to a plastic square .. i will make this so i can better study what is going on in this unit ...

i just drew up the digram .. by hand all seams in ordor i see no reason this will not work ... if there is .. then i will find it ..

materials 4 goldmines 1"
2 28 ga magnet wire .. 7.3 grams each
2 14 ga 15" long 8 turn magnet wire 7.3 grams each
3 bridge rectifiers
1 cap

explanantion ...  a signal is apply to the first bridge rectifier .. it is then made dc .. that pulse is then connected to the input of the device ... out put of devices goes through a bridge to a cap

so as i apply power it should travel through the first bridge the 4 coils .. out to the cap .. ok
now where the first bridge hooks on add another the same way but after the first one .. so that when you cut your pulse .. the fly back has no choise but to exit where the second bridge is as the first one blocks it ..

see where this one goes ...  picture 15 ...  hummmmmmm
« Last Edit: December 03, 2009, 04:40:21 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #365 on: December 03, 2009, 11:03:02 AM »
Also there is no way to charge these caps up in seconds unless you got access to a 200 amp charger.

Homopolar generator produces constant DC and could easily achieve 200 amps to charge those caps up in seconds.  Rotate a conductive magnet with the cap being the stationary external circuit.  Voltage shouldn't be a problem, since the voltage can be increased with a few simple techniques.  Not very difficult.

GB

Edit:  Don't forget about the Wiegan effect.  Could it be used for the one volt switching circuit?  Wrap a coil around a Wiegan Sensor as shown below or use an electromagnet to trigger it.  The coil would need to be AC.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2009, 12:49:26 PM by gravityblock »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #366 on: December 03, 2009, 01:29:16 PM »
@ist

That circuit looks interesting.
I labeled it so we are all understanding your ideas.
Do not abandon it now. Follow the idea.

Jesus

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #367 on: December 03, 2009, 01:41:34 PM »
thank you jesus ..

i do understand this litterly years ago now ...

it is easy .. there is no pot in it the chokes are the fine wire cores .. the 815 are the kickers ...

much like my arc reactor ... put a push button on it ..

push the button .. study what happins ...

i cant draw well   when you turn it on AS SHOWEN in my original dwg ..  THIS IS WHAT HAPPINS

the cap is filled dirrectly then engery wiggles its way through the chokes to the cap .. then release it ..  it will want to flow back to the switch ... i dont let it as per the design ... so it is rectified and sent to the OUTPUT CAP with the first pulse the choked engery and now the colpase ..

this is a SIMPLE SAFE WAY TO RUN WITH GAIN ..

w

being that this set up is tuned ... mass to mass that means it should work any speed ...

we will find it perfers to work best at its tuned resonance .. and then intrupted ..  but we wont go that deep for now with this simple design ..

« Last Edit: December 03, 2009, 02:11:22 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #368 on: December 03, 2009, 03:49:58 PM »
@ist

Is it this what you mean?

Jesus

innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #369 on: December 03, 2009, 06:21:07 PM »
yes that is correct ...

take note   bridge can be subbed for diodes and can allow for npn and pnp switching ...

i will build a small unit when i finally finish paying for my parts ... tonight i hope .. as i have been told .. see how it goes ..

all i can do ... 

can you understand how this works jesus ..  thank you for my drawing ...  i need to repair my computer i then will draw in corel draw some nice clean designs and ways this can be configured ..

this is teslas work ..  i can find a few pattends ..

if i need to

ist!

now i need to say more ..... errrr 

this design may allow for many advancements to it yet ... 

1 any number of tuned coils may be added ...  the placement may be played with ...

honestly ...  i can improve way beond what you can imagine .. currently

look at this pic ...  what is it why can i build it if i choose to ...  because i understand it ... why

cuz i invented it ...   

 

gadgetmall

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #370 on: December 03, 2009, 07:53:51 PM »
yes that is correct .
look at this pic ...  what is it why can i build it if i choose to ...  because i understand it ... why

cuz i invented it ...
ahhhhhhhhhhh            Airhose fittings ? On top of your Schematic ?   ;D

innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #371 on: December 03, 2009, 08:24:01 PM »
almost

its a light saver ... from star wars ... 

ist

now ... imagine the force feild i could put around earth to protect it ...

there 3 savers ... but if the humans would have not almost destoryed it ...  i would not have to introduce this teck ...  your almost out of time ...

first you must be a GOD or so called ... i do not like the trem gods ... this implys power over others ... this is not true .. were equals ... you just dont know it yet ... silly humans...

any how a human can not built it .. they try and they die ... many times ...  do you know why ..

i infact do !

w815

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #372 on: December 04, 2009, 03:45:53 AM »
@ist

Is it this what you mean?

Jesus

I've you're going to use AC, then your kickers might want to share a toroid.

innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #373 on: December 04, 2009, 06:47:13 AM »
ac is not required but i can use it ...

tesla says dc or ac can be used same method .. lol

anyhow ...

GUESS what i got for a gift...  60 feet heavy gage wire .. and i get some real thick wire next week ..

this is 8 gage ...  yep .. 600/1000v #8awg rw90 ... probally 90 amp ...  it is not your avarge wire .. and i was given a hole spool of 10 or 12 gage solid hummm  i can infact put 2 and 2 togather to add it  up to 4 ...  lol 

so i have decided to build a SIMPLE OTTO TPU...   but my way ..  i will try tuneing mass to mass ... 90 deg and see what will be .... 

its really simple ... agin ou ... but whos counting ... not me ... i give up on that ... 

ill build it then add a pic tommorow of it ...  i see no reason a jt can not control this unit ... 

maybe make it the jt .....  hummmmm   

i weighed 1 foot of wire it weighs 23.3grams with out the insulation ... mass of copper ...to mass of copper ..  so i could then split the jt to half the weight but bifillar ..   or equal   or what ever ... i have 1000 feet of 12 or 14 or whatever it is ... 

ist!

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #374 on: December 05, 2009, 03:48:59 AM »
Homopolar generator produces constant DC and could easily achieve 200 amps to charge those caps up in seconds.  Rotate a conductive magnet with the cap being the stationary external circuit.  Voltage shouldn't be a problem, since the voltage can be increased with a few simple techniques.  Not very difficult.

GB

Edit:  Don't forget about the Wiegan effect.  Could it be used for the one volt switching circuit?  Wrap a coil around a Wiegan Sensor as shown below or use an electromagnet to trigger it.  The coil would need to be AC.
Thank you for educating me on the Wiegan sensor . Do you have any idea what they are made of ? Something like a tape recorder head ? I know it senses minuet magnetic wires but its beyond me as to how one could apply this or what output the wiegan sensor  outputs .