Author Topic: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits (Read 478099 times)

innovation_station · « **Reply #225 on:** November 25, 2009, 09:09:36 AM »

PONY!!!

YOU JUST WATE TILL I ADD NEO ZAP TO THE OUT PUT OF MY 680VAC JT ...

THEN CHARGE THE CAP LMAO

TELL ME DO YOU WANT TO SEE 875 AMP CONSTANT? DRAW FROM 1 OF THOSE BIG ULTRA CAPS FROM AN AA BATTERY DRAWING 20 MA? LMAO!

YOUR 1 FOOL IF YOU THINK I CANT DO THIS LOL!

w814

broli · « **Reply #226 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:00:25 PM »

IST, what are the exact ingredients you need and how much do they cost each and in total.

gadgetmall · « **Reply #227 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:19:56 PM »

@jarado
hi . My point on the jt was to show that a NORMAL jt can Charge an ultraboostcap to over unity . Now you dont Have to use my circuit to charge one . My output on the standard JT after one diode @THE cCE JUNCTION is 14 volts @ 5.6ma . this can be made 100% better using bigger toroids better transistors and better tuning . I have not even had the interest to unpack my 200mzh digital storage scope because I'm too busy experimenting . I could care less you know what the "theory is . My point in saying OU . is the fact that we can start with a small AA battery and Store very large amounts of energy that can be released SSSllloooooly Unlike a regular capacitor that just throw all its energy out in a second . i have run JTs and light for weeks off a charge boostcap you cant do that with an electrolytic cap. how can anyone disagree that anY amount of power above the initial power source is NOT OU ? the cop number speak for them selveS even in small short test . this is the easiest self runner ever thought of . and the beauty is its not critical for the basic circuit . I have done several times over now on another duplicate that When the Boostcap reaches above the voltage of the AA battery i use i can simply hit the aa battery and instantly it is charged way beyond its starting voltage will just a very small loss in the bcap SOO. what does this tell an experimenter . It say . an easy self runner with a circuit to control this . this is our next experiment with the OU control Board .Soon you can have free light that wont dissipate .Imagine running my Extreamly low powered JT drawing only 0.90 ma and lighting many ledS (4 on mine) and still have all the secondary pick ups doing other things and lighting lights all this time too .

@IST PM me Please.

@all if anyone is interested my experiment with the old nicad is still running but pointless now because the new number i took this morning is over the unity of the start so here it is 8:11am run 1.276 bcap 1.461 if you refer back to the crokked graphing the start voltages were run 1.459 charge .554

Gadget

Gadget

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #228 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:52:36 PM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 23, 2009, 02:57:26 PM

your Welcome BUT as said in previous post there is MUCH room for improvemenst to this OU effect and As a condition i asked Stephan and in all fairness I discovered it and build it first and its My concepts therefor No prize entrant or entries shall use My concept to enter for the prize including using an ultracapacitor or a joule thief as per MY concept . Simply put you can enter using any charging Method with an ultracap as the output source nor use the circiut ground loop had designed and i am ironing out . You can however replicate improve the design for the benifit for all but no entery for prize .
Its ou . a simple test for you non believers . If you HAVE a "SUPERCAP" take a charged aa battery @2500ma and charge the at cap up to full capacity . You will not be able to this and your aa battery will depleat very fast trying to do it . Again I charge Over the unity of My Run Battery 1.4 volts to a BCap with over 2.5-2.6 volts with virtually no loss from the source at all .at the very worst using a different battery a 10th of a volt drop ., In my case it was only the last number 5/1000th loss and a full bcap with Energy far beyond . you can actually make the source AA battery explode from the power gained in teh bcap .!!this is the concept on the Circuit board we are building to charge the aa battery up to a set voltage either back to unity or over the initial start volts . . And this only takes a second or to to do this . as i stated its like charging an aa battery with a100 amp battery charger . you can only hold it on that for afew seconds before the battery gets hot and eventually Explodes .. i got guy. Als o i did nbot start the repete Experiment 1 last night because i am waiting for an aa battery to Fully charge (18 hours) before i begin the redo over . I am how ever repeating experiment one on a copy of the circuit using an old nickle cadnium battery about 7 years old . here are the results of this so far. remamber this is an old cadinium battery not Ni-mh new one . this one i have had to pop with a12 volt charger several time thruu the last few years to unshort it . i believe its 750 mah a generic GREEN one no markings

circuit exactly as the first one ::with arun battery charged as high as i could get it the start voltage and charge voltage is as follows . Also the Current draw for the Transistor is set to 12.90ma at the start of charging an ultracap 650f . also the start volts of the Upcap Is .544 the normal resting voltage of the Ultracapacitor

Time RUN CHARGE

6:45 pm 1.495 .544
6:50 pm 1.438 .550
10:50pm 1.358 .605
11:10pm 1.344 .803
12:20am 1.334 .846
6:05 am 1.310 1.000
9:18am 1.304 1.048
9.59 1.303 1.058
11:08 1.300 1.076
Gadget

Hi,

I just looked at your posts going back 6 months, and do not see any data logging to support your claim of your AA battery only draining by microvolts after charging your supercap. You can post that data?

Thanks,
Paul

gadgetmall · « **Reply #229 on:** November 25, 2009, 04:18:41 PM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on November 25, 2009, 03:52:36 PM

Hi,

I just looked at your posts going back 6 months, and do not see any data logging to support your claim of your AA battery only draining by microvolts after charging your supercap. You can post that data?

Thanks,
Paul

typo . here is my log . start was 1.459 . i some how had the original test in my mind and 50 pms ,3 test going on and me trying to type is not a good combination . i dont type so good anymore after the stroke . sorry

here is a pic of my log for the NICAD

gadgetmall · « **Reply #230 on:** November 25, 2009, 04:24:22 PM »

@paul . their are no claims for the above other than the bcap is over the unity of the run battery . if you care you calculate the total loss on this old battery please . its like 2 tenths and something ?This is not the the first Experiment i did that used a nimh battery that had 5/1000th of a drop and charged the bcap to 2.6 .. you didn't have to go back but to page 996 on JT thread

discovery started there . and also this nicad experiment was just for the fun of it to see if an old battery that was unshorted several time with a blast from 12v would do anything with this projects .Answer :yea. and so to make this simple circuit self run its a matter of a simple push button to connect the Bcat + to the nicad + and monitor the AA battery until its back or higher than it started and the process can start over . done this on another one .you dont need the Ou circuit controller board to see this there is plenty of power left in the bcap after you do this . even if its not up to its rated amperage i can easily blow a 20amp fuse trying to measure it with my fluke charged to even 1 volt .i cannot do that with the aa battey.
so dont try that a home folks unless you got lots of fuses !

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #231 on:** November 25, 2009, 04:48:46 PM »

Hi gadget,

Today I'll try to build a JT in the lab and see how well it charges various rechargeable batteries, but my bcap has not arrived yet. No idea when.

Anyhow, here's your quote I was referring to,

Quote from Gadget, "I have demonstrated over the unity of a primary source in the Jule thief thread . from an aa battery 2500mah i have charged an ultracapacitor to full capacity with only a few microvolts of loss from the battery 1.4 volt battery ."

I was unable to find any of your data logging that shows the AA battery dropping a few microvolts.

Paul

gadgetmall · « **Reply #232 on:** November 25, 2009, 05:19:20 PM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on November 25, 2009, 04:48:46 PM

Hi gadget,

Today I'll try to build a JT in the lab and see how well it charges various rechargeable batteries, but my bcap has not arrived yet. No idea when.

Anyhow, here's your quote I was referring to,

Quote from Gadget, "I have demonstrated over the unity of a primary source in the Jule thief thread . from an aa battery 2500mah i have charged an ultracapacitor to full capacity with only a few microvolts of loss from the battery 1.4 volt battery ."

I was unable to find any of your data logging that shows the AA battery dropping a few microvolts.

Paul

ok i did not log it on paper as it was Experiment 1 and if you read all my post starting on 996 to somewhere aroung 1003 you can write the numer down if you wish . I sopped posting and started building whnt the last number were over 2.400 ove the bcap . results after i stopped the test hours later and let it fill the cap were 1.490 from the start of the nimh battery test which was 1.495 in the beginning and the bcap start was .521 and i ended it a 2.601 . this is what i asked for replicators but i didn't get any until recently proving this . I won't post anymore results as a group of us are doing our think in private now and i leave it up to everyone to make there own and prove to themselves . i sadi all i am going to say . I may show My completed Stephan unit but thast it . Also the unit will certainty will show a selfrunning light at the very least . whether it pulls it from the bcap or not its the first OU toy every made that is public and usefull. Build one and you will at the very least had a self runner . the final circuit may or may not be publicly displayed . COnstant revision are being do oon the Pro Ou controller . you guys have all you need to make it even if you don't use a controller .

Al

broli · « **Reply #233 on:** November 25, 2009, 05:25:57 PM »

Gadget, attached is a simple line chart for the data you just post. I'm just confused whether the run source is a battery or bcap. If you inform me on that I can change the title of the chart.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #234 on:** November 25, 2009, 05:36:06 PM »

Albert, a Gadgetmall only thread would be nice. Would you like to start the thread?

innovation_station · « **Reply #235 on:** November 25, 2009, 05:39:06 PM »

nice chart!

maybe it could be called starter can test ?

it is useing an aa for stage 1 stage 2 operates 1 bcap to 5 bcap

thanks for your intrest!

w

innovation_station · « **Reply #236 on:** November 25, 2009, 05:52:34 PM »

Quote from: broli on November 25, 2009, 03:00:25 PM

IST, what are the exact ingredients you need and how much do they cost each and in total.

thanks for your intrest bro!

i have already bought all i need to make the basic unit .. thing is ... i dont like to build something then take it apart to build it better ..

so ill only start on the large rings and designs .. once .. i have more cores as well any one that cares to build it public shall be able to input to this device and help to hammer out the BEST UNIT!

then credit where it is do ... and i dont want all the credit... hence why gadget did his tests ..

william

i thought i would put this on stephan .. as the adds .. do add to the cause on this site .. it has been found!

a simpler answer will not come to surface...

gadgetmall · « **Reply #237 on:** November 25, 2009, 05:52:37 PM »

Quote from: broli on November 25, 2009, 05:25:57 PM

Gadget, attached is a simple line chart for the data you just post. I'm just confused whether the run source is a battery or bcap. If you inform me on that I can change the title of the chart.

you have it correct . THANK YOU !! fantastic work . Its the old Nicad as the source/run .. Very nice work! . your In .

Gadget

No Paul . i don't care to as i said all the information is here and a group are now working in private . no more information until after Stephan gets one . of coarse others are welcome to post there designs of second stage circuit here and any information from those plus replications are Very welcome .Others have posted results and have proved what i have said as to how this circuit can work.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #238 on:** November 25, 2009, 06:19:56 PM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 25, 2009, 05:52:37 PM

No Paul . i don't care to as i said all the information is here and a group are now working in private . no more information until after Stephan gets one . of coarse others are welcome to post there designs of second stage circuit here and any information from those plus replications are Very welcome .Others have posted results and have proved what i have said as to how this circuit can work.

You say that, but there's far more details required than a circuit drawing. We're talking about pulses that contain high frequency components where even the slightest difference can make a noticeable change.

If I get different results than you, then are you going to show me the necessary changes to get your results?

Paul

gadgetmall · « **Reply #239 on:** November 25, 2009, 06:31:03 PM »

Quote from: PaulLowrance on November 25, 2009, 06:19:56 PM

You say that, but there's far more details required than a circuit drawing. We're talking about pulses that contain high frequency components where even the slightest difference can make a noticeable change.

If I get different results than you, then are you going to show me the necessary changes to get your results?

Paul

Yes . I will point out what you did wrong.

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