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Author Topic: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor  (Read 250067 times)

gn0stik

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2006, 03:58:11 AM »
Hello gn0stik,

Well I guess you could call it an electric motor, however the permanent magnets deliver over %80 of the energy to make it run.  The electrical input is very small.

The large coil on the top is only there to activate the permanent magnets and use a very small amount of power.   The coil is wound to operate of around 100 VDC at under .20 amps.  That is about 20 watts total, and that would be at stalled rotor.  At 300 RPM it will be somewhat less than that.  There are no permanent magnets in the rotor, only coils. As far as I know there is nothing out there that is even close to what I'm building.   There is no excess energy. The energy this motor uses is almost totally comming from permanent magnets and a small amount of electrical energy.  I do not consider it to be overunity, however I do think it will provide free energy.

I don't consider anything "over unity" even if it does provide free energy. I believe even in situations where you get more (perceived) power out than in, you are harnessing something else, be it the atmosphere, zpe, "orgone"(if that even exists), or what have you. I get your drift.

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As for how I formed my ideas, well it took alot of experimenting, I could fill a pickup truck with old motor parts I have built.  I have been working with this kind of thing for over 25 years.

Yes I do all my own machine shop work with just a standard vertical milling machine and lathe, and a few other small machines.  Thank for the compliments on the work.

credit where credit is due. very polished "prototypes".

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Could a mock up be done with off the shelf stuff.  Most of the stuff I use could be baught just about anywhere in town, however the silicon steel laminet is a different story.   I finally found a place to buy it but I had to spend over $1000.00 in material and shipping.  NOT an off the shelf product.

I really wish I could throw you a bone, in fact I would like to tell all.   However I have some investers that would probably shoot me if I did.  They have over the years invested alot with this project and like all investers they expect a return on there investment. One thing I can say for them is the fact they had faith in me and was providing me with money to work with only when I had a dream. As soon as the patents are issued, I will tell all.

Later,,,,,JackH



We'll be holding our breath Jack, Good luck.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2006, 03:58:11 AM »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2006, 04:53:22 AM »
I have come to the understanding through experience, that magnets do not behave the same as batteries.  They are very different.  A battery for the most part, stores power that will deplete, where a magnet continues to produce a force constantly, which can be converted into motion to do work with an appropriate device.  Therefore, less outside electrical power is needed in conjunction with a magnetic device that can extract work from the magnetic force of a magnet.  This is why you can obtain a motor (like Jack's magnet motor and my magnet motor) that extracts work from magnets using less outside power to perform this work (as compared to a comparable standard electric motor that would do the same amount of work using more power).  As long as you don't 'strain' the magnet beyond it's ability to retain it's pole alignment, the magnet will continue to operate and produce a force for a very long time.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2006, 03:37:11 PM »
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I don't mean to be rude, but why would anyone want to have his invention "validated"  by someone who is not capable of LEGALLY doing so? 
I don't doubt your knowlege, or your professionalism, or the quality of your staff,
but, if I thought I had something  unique, I would guard it with my life and seek full patent  protection before letting ANYONE, especially a professional who knows what he's looking at see my secret, and then stealing it.

I'm not saying you are dishonest either, but would YOU  do that if you invented something?   NO way!  First, i consult my lawyer and get my patent [ending aplication submitted.  I wouldn't even proceed with that untill I have refined my device and worked out the bugs.

You answered your own question.  You have to "work out the bugs".  Working out the bugs would include getting some independent testing to validate what you are purporting.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2006, 05:35:52 PM »
I have come to the understanding through experience, that magnets do not behave the same as batteries.  They are very different.  A battery for the most part, stores power that will deplete, where a magnet continues to produce a force constantly, which can be converted into motion to do work with an appropriate device.  Therefore, less outside electrical power is needed in conjunction with a magnetic device that can extract work from the magnetic force of a magnet. 


You should read some of Howard Johnson's  writings  dealing with the properties of magnets, and their "vortexes" they produce.  The textbook explanation of magnetic fields and properties is wrong.

http://www.cheniere.org/books/HoJo/index.html  This site has other stuff written by Howard Johnson as well, you just have to look for it.

Who is he?  He's the guy who build the first  self running magnet motor way back in the 60's. The blueprints for the motor are available for free as well.   BUT, Howard Johnson warns everyone, that you MUST understand magnets, and their properties. You can't just take any old magnets and expect success. He built that motor with ceramic magnets, which were very hard to match in those days.  The reason he says, people fail in their projects, is because they do not match their magnets properly, ensure they are of of equal strength,  the same type,  and the proper shape.  Shape of the magnets is vital to any magnet motor, or else it will degauss even if you do manage to get it to work.

Notice that the Argentinian guy says that as well, SHAPE matters!   That's why you will notice on his rotor magnet  that the trailing end (as well as the lead end) are cut and tappered, and his stator magnets are haped as well.  Why? because the south pole votex will react with the stator magnets,  and even if you get it to work, it will degauss them eventually.

I like our friend who so kindly let us view his work, have spent a good part of my lifetime tinkering with this concept as well,  and came to realize that shaping magnets is vital.  The only thing is, shaping magnets is also damn near impossible.
Now however, there are some better tools to make that job somewhat less tedious. for about $50.00 , you can buy a dremel tool, and diamond impregnated sanding/grinding drums, which  makes the impossible now merely near impossible.
The determined person can do it.  The impatient person will fail.




The shaping of magnets is not required in Mr. Flynn's design to my knowledge (not sure about Jack's magnetic valve, while I have understanding of how it operates, I won't discuss details on his device until it is protected by patent).  I use standard neo-magnets with no re-shaping of the magnets on my magnet motor.  Just standard off of the shelf neos, N35 or any other strength. 

I have tried to build a Howard Johnson style motor before too.  It is very unstable.  You would have to be very lucky in my opinion to ever get a Howard Johnson style motor to run (but it sure looks cool).  Too many variables to deal with in my opinion.   (To my knowledge, Howard has been unable to replicate his own motor).  There are colliding magnetic fields to deal with which is why many magnetic motors will not run or will not run well and may degauss the magnets because of stress to the magnets.  (The Howard Johnson style motor, needs the curved magnets to effectively be weaker going one way and stronger going the desired direction and shielding or magnet shaping is involved to try to get it to run).  Much too complicated in my opinion and very difficult to build.

For an effective magnet motor, you have to figure out how to not run into an opposing magnetic field (like Torbay has done) (using shielding or some other method) to really have good success on a magnet motor  that can be replicated and expanded easily (unlike the Howard Johnson style motor).   Therefore you must either; flip the magnetic flux path (such as a Flynn style device)  or devise a way to avoid an opposing magnetic field while remaining close enough to the magnetic field to still have torque, taking advantage of the force available in the desired direction (like the Perendev style magnet motor attempts to do with shielding and magnet positioning, but it would cost a small fortune in magnets to build one of these). 

By the way, thank you for the small generator suggestion, very kind of you.  I will look into it. :)

Liberty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2006, 06:22:45 PM »
Liberty. "I use standard neo-magnets with no re-shaping of the magnets on my magnet motor".
- And where can we see you motor? What's the basic principle? Thank you.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2006, 06:22:45 PM »
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2006, 07:45:25 PM »
You can read a little bit about it on this post:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,947.9.html

I do not have a patent on the device yet (and really must before revealing any specific operating methods).  It is quite different than any other device that is out there that I have seen to date; (being of my own creation and method).  I have funded it by myself so far, (ouch!) because I wanted to just build a device for myself originally.  (And still may if companies are hard to get along with).
 
I still plan to build a stronger unit (than the proto-type device in the picture) utilizing  improved electronic methods and other design enhancements.  It is a design that can be as expandable as I want to make it.

I understand that a company may not work with you unless you have a patent, so I will probably have to acquire a patent first to protect the idea, or with a company's help, then I may be able to speak more specifically and openly on it's operation.

I would be willing to show some very revealing movies of it in actual operation (part of my documentation) to a company representative that is interested in working with me and helping me develop it further for production and to market it for public use.  I would require the company to sign a non-disclosure agreement (protecting me and my idea while obtaining a patent, and preventing any similar variation of my device from being built) while viewing the operation of the device for evaluation purposes. 

Liberty   

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2006, 10:01:04 PM »
Sounds very good, but at least you can say if it's self-running PMM or electro-magnetic device.
Good luck in you patent pending, hope to hear from you very soon...

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2006, 07:49:24 PM »
ya kno what, screw you! Hilden Brand. Go public you dilldong. Its people like you that have came to the OU horizon and nvr fly into it that make me want to puke. GO PUBLIC AT 120%! DO IT> I SWEAR IF YOU DONT DO IT DO NOT EVEN POST HERE ANYMORE.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2006, 08:20:56 PM »
ooooooooooooh I just love it when you get angry  :-*

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2006, 05:48:12 AM »
my experience so far with magnets to power a motor whether just using earth or electro or a combination is that it is very easy to power and spin a rotor that is either small or made from lightweight materials.

Take this to the next step and turn a rotor which weighs 30 kilo 's and see what happens. It is a lot different.

I now am acheiving this and developing nicely.
To step up to something like a real motor instead of the dinky toy ones I constantly see posted requires much thinking out side the box.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2006, 09:32:26 AM »
Yes it does mate... ;)
I've changed my mind on the direction i'm going Landor...
Will go the way you said......I have looked into it now...and i noticed something very cool..... ;D   
Later mate
Scotty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2006, 08:22:03 PM »
Interesting that the concept is based on those boots. Which seem to be based on a concept identical to "FLYNNS" parallel path idea. Apparently flynn just robbed the idea from the keelynet article. John Radus's work for NASA. Also interesting to note is that Jack's first work was on the PMH, just like YOU scotty!, By the way, I have rotation on my kundel motor. I need better switching however, I'm thinking of going optical, as that would be the fastest and most accurate switching method. After that I think I'll throw in a Flynn/Radus/Hildenbrand Magnetic gate, instead of the horseshoe electromagnet I'm currently using.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2006, 08:29:30 PM »
Interesting that the concept is based on those boots. Which seem to be based on a concept identical to "FLYNNS" parallel path idea. Apparently flynn just robbed the idea from the keelynet article. John Radus's work for NASA. Also interesting to note is that Jack's first work was on the PMH, just like YOU scotty!, By the way, I have rotation on my kundel motor. I need better switching however, I'm thinking of going optical, as that would be the fastest and most accurate switching method. After that I think I'll throw in a Flynn/Radus/Hildenbrand Magnetic gate, instead of the horseshoe electromagnet I'm currently using.

Do you have any optical drive circuits that you can post for others building motors?

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2006, 09:01:22 PM »
Charles Flynn:Permanent Magnet Control Means
US5463263

Many other inventors cited,
for OU-searcher especially US3670189,Monroe

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2006, 11:03:37 PM »
Optical circuits? try a trawl around here:
http://www.discovercircuits.com/list3.htm
Paul.

 

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