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Author Topic: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor  (Read 250081 times)

jake

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2006, 01:54:23 PM »
I have offered on another thread in this forum to help test Jack's motors.  Once I have seen and verified what he is doing, I'm sure he'll give me permission to report here.

I am contacting him via e-mail to set up an appointment to meet with him to validate his test methods, or to have him bring his motors to my shop where we will independently test.

I am an electrical engineer that operates an industrial automation business, specializing in motion control.  I have a certified Professional Engineer on staff who can validate everything we do if we test at my facility.

I will go on the record as being skeptical of Jack's claims, but at the same time open minded.  The numbers will tell the story.  If, for example his motor really runs at .021 hp at 2.2w input, we will be able to connect a generator and construct an appropriate circuit to supply power back to the motor to get it to self sustain.  .021h out at 2.2w in is producing about 7 times the input power.  Even with a bad generator we will have enough excess power to self sustain.  At 120% efficiency I would be concerned about losses downstream eating up the 20%.  At 500 to 700% the downstream losses won't matter.  There should be plenty of excess power to have 2.2w left to self power the motor.

I have adequate resources and technical expertise to help Jack validate what he is doing.  I don't need a 1/2 hp motor to prove or disprove this.  If his motor is producing .021hp (15+ watts) at 2.2w input it is more than significant enough to prove overunity if everything checks out.  After that it's just a matter of upscaling.

From what I'm reading here, Jack seems to have a good understanding of how to test things, so I hope to validate it and be blown away by the results.

P.S. Jacks motors are works of art while they are standing still as far as I'm concerned.  Beautiful machining work and craftsmanship.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2006, 01:54:23 PM »

Offline Liberty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2006, 01:08:36 AM »
Wow, what happened to all of Jack's posts?  Most of his posts are nowhere to be found...

Anyone know what is going on?

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2006, 07:05:05 AM »
Do not give-up, Jack. All forums have sceptics and un-believers. In yours case there is no necessity to believe - it's a fact.
Just let us a chance to understand the concept closer, pls. Some of us have a not bad ideas, but yours's realy good...
Of course set-up first all your patent business.
Thks, again.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2006, 11:32:05 AM »
Hi Jack, please keep us updated about your progress and new measurements. Your motors look great and I would like to see them running a DC generator, so you could close the loop. Many thanks, regards,Stefan.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2006, 02:42:02 PM »
I kinda figured out that this message board is full of skeptics and non-beleivers.

You didn't come here to share info on how to duplicate your invention - even your patent appliation is 'secret'. All you came here for was to ask for money, to help you continue working on your invention.

Can you blame people for being skeptical?

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At the begining I figured that this message board(overunity.com) would reflect it's name and maybe have a lot of positive input.

Given your unwillingness to share details on your invention, the only positive input anyone could have given you was cash. And without any details, or proof that you have something that is real, no one is going to give you a pile of cash. If you look around, you'll notice that where the plans for a device aren't kept a secret, there are a number of people trying to reproduce those devices, with a lot of positive input from the non-reproducers. The magnet motor from Argentina is an example where there is lots of positive input.

That other fellow's idea, of using a small generator, that is scaled to work with your 500% efficient prototype, makes sense. If you could do that, or allowed that fellow to do that, and you ended up with more electrical power out, than in, now *that* would convince some of the skeptics. And make it easier to get investors to beat a path to your door.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Offline Liberty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2006, 03:56:28 PM »
Fred or anyone else,

Do you know of a small, easy to turn (one with good bearings and is inexpensive to buy) alternator or generator that one could use for under 500 RPM to generate power for a prototype motor such as Jack's or mine?  If it could generate 5-10 volts per 100 RPM or so at say .5 amps or better.

Thanks,

Liberty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2006, 04:36:52 PM »
Dear JackH,
You appear to have built some very proffesional devices. However I read through every post and to refer to any of the questions as dumb was disturbing. There is no such thing as a dumb question. Normally a lack of communication is the reason for dumb questions.
I gather you didnt have any further success in your trails...your ten minutes of fame are up. I was following this thread as I watch many developments on this site looking for investment opportunities. I do hope you succeed, and you can contact me privately anytime. Also Jake made you a great offer...you should follow it up.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Offline valveman

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2006, 05:38:53 PM »
JackH

As for being skeptics, that's our right as long as we all respect other peoples opinion because being skeptical is healthy and is a human trait.  We question what we don't understand so we can learn.  It's better than running around like sheep believing everyone who claims they have some magical device that re-writes the laws of thermodynamics.  Now I am not necessarily talking about your efforts, but you must admit while reading through many claims on the net for free energy, there are lots of con men out there.  I remain a skeptic until either I have tested a overunity device on my own and proved it exists or build one myself.  I have however enjoyed reading about your approach and has given me something to think about.  Those who blatently discredit you and are rude are not IMO skeptics but narrow minded individuals who discredit to make themselves feel superior and have no scientific basis to prove their thesis.

When I question anything I don't understand I always remember this phrase:
"Theory and practice are the same thing, in theory!"

You should not be discouraged by skeptics.  They should  only serve to strengthen your resolve.

On behalf of all skeptics, I say keep going and make us believers.

Cheers,
Valveman

Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2006, 07:47:54 PM »
Actually, I think Jack is sincere.  I never saw him ask for money.  If that's what he was about, he would have taken that offer for resources that he got.
First of all - his references to his motor were in response to questions.  And he offered to explain the details once his patent was approved.


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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2006, 01:27:08 AM »
Jack,
Good luck on your project.  I know you've put alot of time and thought into it, and I can only imagine the sense of satisfaction you feel and will feel when you are done.  You will deserve that feeling... and I hope that in the end, whatever becomes of the motor will be such that the people of the world will recognize your contribution.

Our first conversation was about money vs. benefiting humanity.  I still stand by my thoughts on that... but I can't bad-mouth you, because I haven't walked a mile in your shoes. :) 
I hope things work out good for everyone on this.

I'm looking forward to your patents being approved, and to the discussion that we can have at that time.

Peace,
Elvis 

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2006, 01:56:03 AM »
Hello JackH,
a 2inX2inX1in-Neo-cube is a nice metal-piece,
to see two adults to get this magnet away from a transformer core,
a "fine" show !
Oh yeah,I know physical the damage potential of such a thing !
Not a broken finger,but less "derma" on the left thumb !

We are working in a "neutral" zone,physics related known,
but not defined !"terra incognita"

There are people;f.e.Prof.Trumbly/Kahn or institutions,f.e.
Universidad de Catalunia (Magnet motor)which risks with their publication of FE/OU-devices their "reputation",
but they did or are doing it !

Sincerely
             de Lanca


   
« Last Edit: May 21, 2006, 04:46:11 AM by lancaIV »

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Offline FredWalter

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2006, 04:16:01 AM »
Do you know of a small, easy to turn (one with good bearings and is inexpensive to buy) alternator or generator that one could use for under 500 RPM to generate power for a prototype motor such as Jack's or mine?

I don't know where you can buy one, but if you are mechanically inclined, you can make one using the axial flux generator plans found here:

http://www.scoraigwind.com/pmgbooklet/index.htm

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2006, 04:20:12 AM »
Fred I think you are verry wrong and refuse to admit it.

I stopped caring what you think when you started calling me names.

Since you deleted all your previous postings, the ones that make you sound like you are solely motivated by money are no longer present.

Oh wait, in a new posting, to Mark, you say:

Mark I am totally not interested in fame, only money.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2006, 04:43:07 AM »
To FredWalter:
JackH wrote in the Keelynet-pages about 50K,
now about 500K investors investments,
without to calculate his own work-input,financial and corporal !
When he,JackH,write about "money(-return)",
you (and I)do not know under which conditions !!!
It can be "human",only investment-return orientated,
or speculative-to get the most he/they can receive !

Be patient,please !
Let us look forward and exspect for good results !

Sincerely
            de Lanca
 

gn0stik

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2006, 04:54:43 AM »
Hey Jack,
Good to see you didn't completely abandon us here. Many of us are naturally skeptical, as am I after seeing so many claims never come to anything, but even after 1000 devices never amounting to anything we should keep an open mind. Healthy skepticism is the key. Not outright dismissal, as the disinformationists would have us. Keep up the good work. At any rate, I have some questions about your motor?

I see large coils on the motor, so I assume it is an electromagnet motor, not a permanent mag one. And the big neo mag that you crushed your finger with was part of a rotor? Ouch, anyway, in regards to it's operation can you give us an example of another OU type motor that yours most closely resembles so we can get an idea of it's operation and where the "excess" energy comes from?

How did you form your ideas? What was your process of discovery to get you on this path? Were you inspired by the work of others, or did you come about it on your own?

The craftsmanship on your motors is impeccable. Did you mill it yourself or do you have a CNC machine? Or did you send it out to a shop?

Could a "mock up" be built with off the shelf materials?

Lastly, can you throw us a bone? Give us an idea to play with for those of us who are not already biulding a Torbay, a Spinner, a SMOT device, a MEG, or attempting to unravel the mysteries of Steven Mark's devices.


Regards,
gn0stik

 

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