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Author Topic: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor  (Read 303142 times)

Honk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #510 on: April 03, 2007, 10:15:04 AM »
Quote from: Honk on February 18, 2007, 07:58:12 PM
Hey Jack.
Here is a cheap 2x2x1 inch N50 magnet, just 29.99 each.
http://www.magnet4less.com/NB080.html
Regards / Honk

Hello again Jack.

The price on the 2x2x1 inch N50 magnet has dropped.
http://www.magnet4less.com/NB080.html
Now you can get them for just $25.99 each.
It will must be difficult to get them any cheaper than this.

How is you big motor coming along?

/Honk
« Last Edit: April 03, 2007, 10:31:15 PM by Honk »
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JackH

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #511 on: April 04, 2007, 04:44:05 AM »


Later,,,,,,,,JackH
« Last Edit: October 01, 2007, 03:55:56 AM by JackH »
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Honk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #512 on: April 04, 2007, 08:50:35 AM »
Great.
I hope you do well with this new investor!
Once you are ready please post a small video of your fine motor doing work.
I believe everyone here will appreciate to watch it.
If the video can prove your goal of creating free energy, that this will help
you to sell the motor/generator setup to heat up peoples homes.



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Paul-R

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #513 on: April 04, 2007, 04:07:30 PM »
Quote from: JackH on April 04, 2007, 04:44:05 AM
Hello Honk,

Well the motor is completly built, just waiting to be able to buy the magnets.......
Later,,,,,,,,JackH
It would pay to try the Chinese direct:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=neodymium+site%3Acn&meta=
Postage time may be an issue. I see that there is a chinese Ebay. I
wonder if these manufacturers would take Ebay's PayPal service.
Paul.
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yorkshireminer

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #514 on: April 05, 2007, 10:56:16 PM »
nice to see things are looking a little brighter for you Jack, you deserve a break, lets hope the Government doesn't suppress your patent, that really would put a spanner in the works for you. Remember there is at least one lad here in the Netherlands keeping his fingers crossed and hoping for the best. I don't know what type of internet connection you have got Jack but you might find this link interesting  http://pesn.com/Radio/Free_Energy_Now/recordings/2007/070217_Perendev_MikeBrady.mp3

Deep regards 
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Honk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #515 on: April 11, 2007, 10:51:33 AM »
Hello Jack.
Can I ask you a question?

Have you considered to use N30 magnets instead of N50?
They are a lot cheaper and the silicon steel will become less saturated.

The saturation level of non oriented silicon steel is aprox 1.9 tesla.
When doubling the flux lines of a N50 magnet you will get 2.9 tesla but
then you will loose 1 tesla due to the saturation of silicon steel.

If you were to use N30 you will get 2.2 tesla when doubling the flux lines.
Then you will only loose 0.3 tesla due to the saturation effect.
And it will take less power to equalize the N30 magnet valve. Perhaps just 4 watts.

You should be able to decrease losses, increase the efficiency and save some
money at the same time.
Maybe I'm wrong about this idea? Please correct me if so.

Regards / Honk

« Last Edit: April 11, 2007, 03:12:13 PM by Honk »
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JackH

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #516 on: April 12, 2007, 04:32:46 AM »
Hello Honk,

Well I just may try the N30 Magnets.   Thay should be a little cheaper, save soime money.  And the motor should run on less current.

Do you have a good source for N30 2"X2"X1" magnets?

Later,,,,,,,JackH
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JackH

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #517 on: April 12, 2007, 05:12:02 AM »
Hello Honk,

Actually N27 may even be better.   If I could find them it 2"x2"x1".

Later,,,,,,,JackH
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acp

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #518 on: April 12, 2007, 12:20:22 PM »
Hi Jack and Honk,

Glad to see this thread hasn't died. Be careful with those cheap neo's from China or wherever most of them come from, I bought some from ebay about six months ago and left them packed in a box. Last week I took a look at them , and found that the plating was peeling away on several of the magnets.

Regards

Albert
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Gregory

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #519 on: April 12, 2007, 11:25:09 PM »
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Honk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #520 on: April 13, 2007, 08:51:11 AM »
Hello Jack.

Iv'e been thinking some more about the strength of magnets.
Perhaps the doubling of flux lines won't saturate the silicon steel.
Maybe the two sources of 1.45 tesla each just adds up to 1.45 tesla.

The valve of yours is doing just this. It parallels two sources of N50.
You can think of it as if you are having one N50 magnet on steel and then
you place another N50 magnet next to it.
This will double the total volume of the N50 magnets and quadruple it's lifting capacity.
But if you replace the two separate magnets with a larger single N50 magnet
of the same volume as the smallers magnets added together then you will also
get the same quadruple lifting capacity but the flux remains at 1.45 tesla.

If this is the case then the power from N50 magnets is the best choice.

If someone here could do a simulation of this in Femm it could help us
to clarify this matter.
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acp

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #521 on: April 13, 2007, 10:46:58 AM »
Hi Honk, I think with more powerful magnets you just have to have more cross section in the laminations to avoid saturation.

Regards

Albert
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Honk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #522 on: April 13, 2007, 01:27:08 PM »
Quote from: acp on April 13, 2007, 10:46:58 AM
Hi Honk, I think with more powerful magnets you just have to have more cross section in the laminations to avoid saturation.

Regards
Albert

That was my second thought regarding magnet flux and steel saturation.
The flux behaves just like pressure. If you got 1.45 tesla and have to small
cross section area in the silicon steel, then the flux "pressure" increases
until the saturation limit of the steel is reached.

This means that N50 will be the best choice but the motor must be designed
to avoid saturation in the steel. A simple FEMM simulation should tell how
the motor should be designed. I'm thinking of any sharp edges and the start position
of the rotor when it's cross section area is minimal when facing the stator.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 02:07:51 PM by Honk »
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acp

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #523 on: April 13, 2007, 03:09:59 PM »
Hi Honk, I learnt Femm in a couple of evenings, you seem like an intelligent guy, I'm sure you would pick it up in no time. Work through the tutorial though, as some of it was counterintuitive at first, at least for me. I think Femm would really help to optimise a  motor design.

Albert
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Nali2001

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #524 on: April 13, 2007, 09:42:21 PM »
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