Hey cchance

Read Jacks' last post.

Dave

Hello All,

personally i have to agree tearing a working 96watt system apart was not logical, a 96 watt gravity wheel thats shown and proven is very expandable, hell tie 6 of them together and you have ~600watts of power (gear them to a central shaft perhaps)  that way its getting wider the generator and not a larger diameter. hell a 48" diameter box thats 5ft long sounds generator quality to me hehe.

"I'm sure that there are lots of money out there, but where is it when it is needed. Seems like nobody wants to trust anyone. "

With good reason, just look into the past as you've seen theirs thousands of faked and unreproduceable devices that claimed what you say your device does.

No i'm not being negative or saying that yours doesnt do what u say but the fact is without reproductions theirs no way to get backers or people interested in it let alone to invest money in a project. If you want to move forward with things and your financially tight get out the paperwork and put out a call to some builders, hell i'd sign a NDA and a contract acknoleging your creation of the work and not to take credit for it. And i'm sure others would be willing to as well, get them to confirm it and reproduce it and fund it themselves. Then you get the credit for the work, and you have credible reproductions without having to foot out money or strugle to find investors.

People dont want something for nothing, but people arent willing to invest in things that arent proven to be reproduceable or extremely well documented.

Hi, Im not so sure anymore that Jack's so called overunity
machines are for real. I've been reading all the posts of
Jack at this forum and also at Emwiki, Peswiki and Keelynet.
When you line up and compaire all of his claims then it's obvious
that he is very inconsistent when repporting about his progress.
This makes me think that his methods of measurement is totaly
flawd. Or perhaps he's just a mythomaniac....

Anyway. If I had an invention like the overunity motor I would
of course test it as a self running motor generator ASAP just to
make sure that I got overunity. This is the only test that really
proves that the motor is overunity for sure.
C'mon.. He has used a prony brake to test it. Give me a brake!!!

He is saying that he doubles the flux lines by his technique, and
yes, that is true, no doubt about it, but no material known to man
can sustain 3 Teslas without saturation and this is where mother
nature makes sure that the laws of thermodynamics is kept intact.

Among these facts it's the inconsistency part that really troubles me.

Inconsistency facts:
Some times the gravity wheel is 24" dia, othertimes it is 48".
Suddenly he tears the gravity wheel apart...very strange behavior.
In his early motor reports, he's getting 120 - 200% efficiency, that's OK.
Later he tell us that he's got 400% at lower RPM - that's OK.
Now he says that you really need 2x2 inch magnets to get overunity!!??
What the hell..... In the beginning he just built the motors using small
1x1 inch magnets and they were reported having exceptional efficiency.
Now, there's something fishy about the inconsistency of these claims.

There's more facts that is totaly strange, but you have to read about
it for yourself in his posts.

Jack, no offence but perhaps you feel like explaning these facts.

I have only one thing to say currently.   Everybody is bitching about high gas , high energy, high heating, high everything, however no body is will to put a few bucks out to help the situation.

If I can come and take measurements on your motor(s), and my measurements validate your claims, I will help you complete your projects.

Quote from: Ergo on February 23, 2007, 09:19:55 AM

Im not so sure anymore that Jack's so called overunity machines are for real.

I've seen photos online that include Jack and one of his motors, so the motors are real.

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I've been reading all the posts of Jack at this forum and also at Emwiki, Peswiki and Keelynet.

What is the URL for Emwiki?

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He has used a prony brake to test it.

It is possible to have overunity, without having enough overunity to drive a generator and produce a self-runner. There are losses involved when you generate electricity using a generator.

Even *slightly* overunity is useful, say in a motor driving an electric car, if the additional cost of the motor is outweighed by the cost of the batteries that you don't have to use.

By "for real" I didn't mean that he did not have any motors, just that they might not
be overunity....

Here's the link.
http://www.emwiki.info/Hilden-Brand_Magnet_Motor

Overunity without self running capacity is not really any useful.
His claims are 400% efficiency. Even if a generator hooked up to his motor is only
80% efficient then there are at least 380% left to feed to the motor.
If he just had, let's say 120% efficiency in his motors, then there might be a problem to create a self runner. Not otherwise.

The motor is not really suited as a car motor either due to the fact that it is very heavy compaired to conventional motors operating at 98% efficiencies.
An ordinary electric motor can deliver 5HP and it will not weigh more than 20 lbs.
His 5Hp motor weighs about 150 lbs.
It is heavy because it really needs a lot of silicon steel to minimize the saturating
effect at high flux fields. Standard electric motors don't need this much steel
because their coils are next to the magnets thus having a short flux path.
And nowadays there exist even more lightweight ironless motors to be used in cars.

Hi Jack,
Just thought you might be able to use a little tip I was told to protect yourself.

You can get a certain level of idea protection without a patent by writing up documentation such as you would for a patent, then posting it to yourself using the national mail system. This package is a copy of your idea that is time/date stamped in a method the courts will recognise.
Then keep the unopened package somewhere safe until such a time as you need to prove your ownership of the idea.

The other way is to simply post plans somewhere public, or many places public, in a large enough way that no one can deny that it's yours. This is obviously what the likes of myself would like because I would love to make a replication to prove you. I'm sorry but I don't have money to send, I'm still a student struggling enough to support myself. What I do have however is full access to the factory where I work part time, at Floppy Sponge Automation (www.floppyspongeonline.com). We are a small engineering firm in Australia who specialises in small automated displays and equipment. I'm the electronics designer, all the electronic gizmo's on our products page are designed solely by me. My boss is an accomplished mechanical engineer (he's designed entire car chassis for race cars). We are both very interested in these technologies, although he's somewhat more sceptical than I am. The reason I'm saying all this is we have the means to produce devices like this, if I could build a demonstration model to prove to him that this works, my boss can get capital to build these professionally. We would be more than willing to go into some form of partnership with you to turn this into a viable marketable product. I'm also studying a degree in engineering and science, majoring in research and development, as such I have access to research laboratories at the uni I'm studying at. With a demonstration model I'd have no problem finding a lab that would sponsor a project looking into all the science behind the device, I would love to have my next research project focusing on a device like yours, and possibly later going into a phd on it. I know from experience that my universitie in australia are absolute sticklers on getting accurate assessments of ip ownerships, once you've got your mailed package of proof there would be no problem protecting your claim. I know my uni for instance has had plenty of joint patents in the past, where they will happily put up the funds for the patent organised by a phd student that gets filed under the names of all people involved, not just the uni.

I know there are a lot or arse holes out there that just want to steal ideas, hopefully you may believe it when I say I'm not one of them. I just want to design and build stuff, I'm actively building other replications of devices currently (main one being http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1988.280.html at the moment). I guess I've got no other proof of my integrity except that I'd love to help in any way I personally can. I know I haven't been active in this thread, but I've been watching it for a while, and have a lot of respect for your ideas. I urge you to have faith in this community as a whole, I believe there are more decent people on here than idiots.

Andrew