Author Topic: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor (Read 302915 times)

dani1 · « **Reply #405 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:04:27 PM »

JackH,
I suggest to sign up for a free .com domain (Office live basics Microsoft is paying it) at http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/officelive/default.aspx and tomorrow you will have a internet-com or org domain with no fees, no ads. It worked for me.

..dani

FredWalter · « **Reply #406 on:** February 20, 2007, 08:48:15 PM »

Quote from: JackH on February 20, 2007, 06:33:03 PM

Your windmill need air to operate the gravity wheel will run forever with no wind. Also if you had read my previous messages you would no how much power the gravity wheel puts out.

I did read your previous message:

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I also have a working gravity machine. The one I have is only about 24In. in dia. and puts out enough power to lite severial tail lite bulbs from a car. This gravity machine could be scalled up to easly power a house. I have never gotten a patent on this thing. It also could be turned loose to the public. I have invested about $6000.00 in this project, how do I get that back if I go public.

I have no idea how much power it takes to light several tail light bulbs from a car. Which is why I asked. If I had to guess, I'd say less than 20 watts.

$6000.00 US would pay for the raw materials to make a windmill that would, when the wind was blowing, generate around 2000 watts-3000 watts, or more.

The point that I was trying to make, is that it isn't sufficient to have an overunity device, you have to have one that costs less to make/use than conventional alternative energy devices cost.

Right now I'm assuming that when you say you have $6000 in the gravity wheel, that it cost that much to make.

One way to make money is to sell detailed plans. I don't know how much money you'd make, all I know is that there are some guys out making some money by selling plans.

IronHead · « **Reply #407 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:35:33 PM »

Quote from: Honk on February 20, 2007, 08:47:51 AM

Quote from: IronHead on February 19, 2007, 10:37:08 PM
Also around 30 lbs of AWG 064x128H flat wire.

Hi IronHead

Can I ask you the metric dimensions of your AWG 064x128H flat wire?
I mean Width and Thickness. Is it also enamelled?

Regards / Honk

The flat wire is
1.63 mm x 3.25 mm High tension, High temperature Epoxy Coat
Sorry but this offer was to Jack to help out the motor technology he is involved with .
So here is a good place to buy this type of wire.

http://www.planetengineers.com/default.asp?cat=Wire

IronHead · « **Reply #408 on:** February 20, 2007, 10:43:49 PM »

BTW This is Mexcel wire ,the best money can buy . they don't tell you that on the site I
formally posted .

Mexcel ,if you like to research
http://www.mitsubishi-cable.co.jp/product/finerect/mxe01.html

Honk · « **Reply #409 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:08:04 AM »

Quote from: IronHead on February 20, 2007, 10:35:33 PM

The flat wire is
1.63 mm x 3.25 mm High tension, High temperature Epoxy Coat
Sorry but this offer was to Jack to help out the motor technology he is involved with .
So here is a good place to buy this type of wire.

http://www.planetengineers.com/default.asp?cat=Wire

Thank you for the link. Looks like a nice place to buy wires and stuff.
Btw, I was not trying to get some of your wire

, I was just curious of the size.
But the size of 1.63 mm x 3.25 mm is acctually to thick for my needs.
If you know any place that can supply 0.2mm x 6mm or similar please let me know.

Regards / Honk

hartiberlin · « **Reply #410 on:** February 21, 2007, 01:32:39 AM »

Quote from: JackH on February 20, 2007, 06:33:03 PM

Hello hartiberlin,

I would like to no just how the money would just come rolling in. I have no patent on this gravity wheel even in the USA, people could just copy it and then they would get all the money. I'm just not sure how I could be listed as the inventer. Can you explain this to me.

Later,,,,,JackH

Hi Jack,
if you would post a video with a description how your gravity machine
works and how it can be build, so that every person
could freely replicate it, without any hidden parts,
then we wouldmake sure,
that everybody would know, that you are the inventor.

As there would be a few thousand replications soon
from hobbyists around the world, the word and proof would
spread and you could ask for a small donation,
at least for the first utility bill, which would
be less or no more to pay. This money
people who use it should send to you.

I would be happy to pay you the difference
from my first utility bill, which I will use
less...

Also this would make you so famous, that you will
get invited all over the world and would get many
prizes, etc.. you could publish a book about it,
write your memoires, etc.. all the things famous
people live of....do advertising , etc., etc...

The money just would roll in...if you do it right
and make sure everyone will know, that you were the
inventor, who gave it freely to the world.....
also history will remember you at least a few hundred years...
not too bad to have lived, right ?

Otherwise if you would take it to your grave or
it would be confiscated by the US military for
black budgets research, you will just die
as an unknown inventor and somebody else
will be remembered....
now it is your choice....

Regards, Stefan.

JackH · « **Reply #411 on:** February 21, 2007, 02:27:27 AM »

Hello FredWalter,

Thaelin · « **Reply #412 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:18:33 AM »

Hi Jack:
In the last year or so, I have played with many types of motors. Built so many that I dream of them sometimes. I understand you have to go the way you choose. All for it. Follow your heart and instincts. They lead you down the right path.

Now: IronHead has wire. Still need magnets. Send me a private message here and I will see about getting you some. So, wire and magnets no longer a problem. Think that should get you down the path a bit farther.

sugra

rensseak · « **Reply #413 on:** February 21, 2007, 08:13:33 AM »

Quote from: JackH on February 21, 2007, 02:27:27 AM

Hello FredWalter,

Well I think you know by now that prototyping is very expencive. All parts need to be made one at a time with machines. There are a total of 26 stanless/ceramic bearings in this thing. And alot of work on machines to get the precision it needs to be able to operate. The gravity machine is only 48 in. in dia. It light two lite bulbs that use 2 amps a pice at 24 cvdc. I think that is around 96 watts. I think it is quite impressive for such a small wheel. OH, I also built the generator that was chain driven from the main shaft, I really do not know how efficient the generator was.

I am sure that a bigger wheel, like 7 or 8 foot with added weights would be suffesiont to operate a 2500 watt low rpm windmill generator.

Now what you need to understand is it took me over two months at over 12 hours a day to build this thing. I am sure that if it were put into production it would cost alot less and would be faster to build. Just like your windmill. I am sure that the first windmill ever built toke alot of money to build and alot of time. Give me a break PLEASE!

Hello hartiberlin,

I'll do some thinking on it. I somehow just do not trust some of the users on this forum. Especially the ones that would rather see me dead so they could copy my stuff.

Later,,,,,,Jack W Hildenbrand

hi Jack,
i think also it will be the best to present it in the public like Stephan said. At very first you can also invite engineers of a respectable university, some person from the government and so on ..... for presentation like Steven Markt did with his TPU. But make sure you video-tape this presentation and the recording should be in your hands.

just my two cents and
keep up the good work

Norbert

hartiberlin · « **Reply #414 on:** February 21, 2007, 12:08:12 PM »

P.S: My advice,
just keep government people out of the demonstrations at the first time.
Just show it only to people who are not skeptical or
could loose their job in a longer run...
Just show it to people like us, who look for alternatives of the current
energy supply.

Anyway, make sure there are many video copies out there and nobody can
suppress these videos.

Jack, 96 Watts sound amazing for such a small diameter.
I think, when I remember correctly the Bessler wheel was 3 meters in diameter
and delivered only around 10 to 20 Watts ??!

How fast does your thing spin ? RPM ?

Can you at least show a photo, where you cover the thing with
a towel or something like this and show us lighting these bulbs ?

Of course it would be nice, if you could show at least a picture that
shows it all,
maybe from a distance, so one could not see too many details !

Is it also a machine simular to the Bessler wheel, where it was said
8 weights were inside the wheel ?

Do you use additionally magnets to make it work or
is it a purely gravitation driven machine ?

The guys at www.besslerwheel.com forum would
celebrate you as the new Besser of the 21st century !

So please come forward and let us know more.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

FredWalter · « **Reply #415 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:10:01 PM »

Quote from: JackH on February 21, 2007, 02:27:27 AM

The gravity machine is only 48 in. in dia.

In a previous article you said:

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The one I have is only about 24In. in dia.

Can I assume it is 48 inches in diameter (and you meant to say 24 inches in radius)?

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It light two lite bulbs that use 2 amps a pice at 24 cvdc. I think that is around 96 watts.

Have you measured the power using an amp meter, and the voltage using a volt meter?

The power it takes to get a bulb to start producing light is less than the power it takes to get a bulb to be really bright. The only way to know for sure how much power is being produced is to measure it.

If your device is putting out 96 watts continuously then that is incredible. If the costs can be brought down then there is a market for this type of motor. Aside from electrical generation, the motor itself can be used to power things.

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Now what you need to understand is it took me over two months at over 12 hours a day to build this thing. I am sure that if it were put into production it would cost alot less and would be faster to build. Just like your windmill.

The windmills that I'm referring to are homemade. $6000 is approximately what the materials cost for a 20' windmill put up onto a tower. That price doesn't take into account the amount of labour it takes to make all the parts, and put them together.

Does your gravity wheel make use of your magnetic valve?

Here's how you can make money off your gravity wheel:
1) sell plans
2) sell parts to people who have purchased your plans
3) sell motors, once you've figured out how to bring their cost down

The nice thing about (1) (selling plans) is that the up-front costs are minimal for you.

The thing about (2) is that you can ask for payment up-front, and then go buy the materials and make the parts. (I'm assuming here that you can figure out how to reduce the amount of time it takes to make the parts, so that you can make the parts as you get orders.)

I have no idea how much money you'd make. But you would make something, versus the nothing that you make if you keep it a secret.

lwh · « **Reply #416 on:** February 21, 2007, 05:58:12 PM »

Jack, yeah, I'm stupid, but you get that.

So here's another way of looking at it.

Wait and see what happens with the current patents. They'll either be passed and you end up with a lot of money, or they'll be blocked and you might at least get enough money to satisfy your investors.

If your current patents get passed then you can also patent the gravity device and get even more money.

If the current patents get blocked then the patent route really isn't an option for the other device either (If your current patents get stopped,then wouldn't your other device get stopped too if you tried to patent it?) and you'll have to look into some other means of trying to make money off of it rather than patenting it.

So, again, wait and see what happens with the current patents, (even though it could mean the world losing access to the technology you've been working on), as that will make it clearer what to do with the other device.

In the meantime, look into what those other means of making money off the unpatented device might be, at the risk of finding out there is a way that could have been applied to your current patent-pending technology.

Also, while you're waiting, consider setting something up whereby all your knowledge, not just your built devices, will be released to the world should you die unexpectedly. I really doubt this will inspire anyone to knock you off so the the info gets released, but it could thwart the plans of those who may want to stop your knowledge getting out at all. It's also a fact that people have untimely accidents or die unexpectedly of natural causes, so why risk taking all that knowledge with you?

Les.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #417 on:** February 21, 2007, 06:27:26 PM »

Hi All,
patents are useless until you will find a company,
that likes your patent and will pay you royalities to produce the
patented devices !

But many things can go wrong :

Company does not want to pay royalities and
just copies your ideas and then makes their own advanced
patents of it by changing a few minor things..
So you have to pay to fight against all their patent lawyers.
Do you still have the money for this fight ?

So you did not only pay for your patent, but now you have to
fight for it in court, which will bring the cost up again,
and you did not have made any money from it yet...

So you see, patenting can be very stressful and costly
and it is a real question if you ever at all will
get paid...

Regards, Stefan.

idnick · « **Reply #418 on:** February 21, 2007, 07:10:08 PM »

Amen Stefan. I couldn't have said it better. It's the American way ya know. Everything revolves around a dollar(s)

Dave

JackH · « **Reply #419 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:58:27 AM »

Hello All,

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