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Author Topic: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor  (Read 272719 times)

Offline Nali2001

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #375 on: February 17, 2007, 07:25:29 PM »
Oh and just a thought,
I know this sounds negeative but you might want to secure the already build motors at a safe place when stuff really turns out nasty. Because I know an inventor who got into trouble with invertors and they kind of confiscated his devices also...

Hate to talk like this though...

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #376 on: February 17, 2007, 08:36:38 PM »
Hello JackH,
when you or the company Hilden-Brand Energy LLC will declare bancruptcy,
all the received patent object rights will be automatically loosed !
That are the law and order conditions !

I think that your investors and the banker will not risk their investments !

What would be the financial need to resolve your actual problems,
or in other words to satisfy your investors with no lost/no win condition  ?

Sincerely
            de Lan?a

« Last Edit: February 17, 2007, 10:34:24 PM by lancaIV »

Offline idnick

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #377 on: February 17, 2007, 10:12:18 PM »
Hi JackH,

You said:
"As for the gravity wheel I am keeping this part of the project a secret from my investers.  If I go bankrupsy I will have this to continue.  Thats why I havent done anything with it at this point."

Why not just open source it for reasons other members suggested ? Could get ya out of this mess. I can see ya don't want to try and patent it!!!

Dave

Offline JackH

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #378 on: February 18, 2007, 02:10:46 AM »
Hello Nali2001,
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 04:37:31 AM by JackH »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #379 on: February 18, 2007, 03:46:17 AM »
Dear JackH,
to resolve the development "barrier" moment,
we have to speak about +/- 100.000 US$ investment ,
to satisfy the "old" obligations,
am I right ?

If you want to get solution,send a message !
 
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Offline FredWalter

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #380 on: February 18, 2007, 04:00:22 AM »
I would just like to get back something in return.

Can you sell prototypes, before you have the patent? Something small, to minimize your costs, but that demonstrates the effect? I've seen other companies sell prototypes for very large sums of money. One example is: http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/

It's too bad you couldn't file in another country - I looked into what it would cost for me to file in Canada, and if I correctly understood everything on the Canadian patent website, for $500-$1000 CDN, I could have a patent (provided that I did everything myself and did not involve a lawyer).

Offline gaby de wilde

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #381 on: February 18, 2007, 04:41:12 AM »
Make a film a book and a website.

Don't disclose anything until you have earned back some of your investment. Have some well known people confirm the apparatus really work on video. Then sell shares in your future engine company. You can hypothetically sell those shares for as long as you like. They will take you to court after some time but you have the hard evidence so that can never be complicated. When investors complain you make another video revealing a little bit of their investment. Energy companies will love this kind of marketing. Could take a lot of time. (look at searl)

But wasn't the real inventors game to make energy for free and sell that?

How long does it need to run before the magnet earns it-self back?


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Offline JackH

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #382 on: February 18, 2007, 03:34:53 PM »
Hello FredWalter,
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 04:27:43 AM by JackH »

Offline IronHead

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #383 on: February 18, 2007, 03:41:49 PM »
Just thought I might show you where I have gotten magnets this size for a good price.
Here is a 2"x2"
http://www.magnet4less.com/ND072.html

Offline FredWalter

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #384 on: February 18, 2007, 04:41:34 PM »
two inch magnets is $100.00 a piece

Would you be disclosing too much too much to tell us the exact dimensions, and strength rating, of the 2" magnets? Perhaps there is a less expensive source for these magnets.

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It takes about $400.00 worth of aluminum to complete a motor

The last time I bought aluminum (a couple of years ago, from http://www.metalsupermarkets.ca), it cost me around $4 US/lb.

Your small motor uses 100lbs of aluminum?

Since you are at a standstill w.r.t. building your motors, have you looked into metal casting? Would aluminum from old lawn mower engines work for your purposes, if it was melted and cast into the right shape?

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I am having trouble just paying the electric bill for the shop

Is there anything else that you could make, using that shop, that you could sell? Or are you only supposed to work on these motors in that shop (since the shop was paid for with investors money)?

Would you be disclosing too much, to tell us the size of the equipment in your shop? I'm curious what size equipment is required to make your motor.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2007, 05:13:34 PM by FredWalter »

Offline Honk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #385 on: February 18, 2007, 07:58:12 PM »
Now the valve would take two of these two inch magnets, you need three valves to make a complete motor.  The chepest I can find the two inch magnets is $100.00 a pice.  You would need six of these magnets to build an overunity motor, that is $600.00 just in magnets.

Hey Jack.

Here is a cheap 2x2x1 inch N50 magnet, just 29.99 each.
http://www.magnet4less.com/NB080.html
That will only come to $180 for 6 pcs. A lot cheaper than $600.

Regards / Honk

Offline Honk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #386 on: February 18, 2007, 10:43:16 PM »
However the valve I invented doesen't really go over unity untill you get up to about a two inch magnet.

The two inch motor I had tested was just a two valve motor, it had some coast time. However it still tested out to be two times overunity, with a third valve, I'm sure it would have done much better.

Hello again Jack. I'm sorry to hear about your financial problems.
I certainly hope you will solve it very soon.

By the way. You mention that it takes a 2 inch magnet to get overunity.
I understand by your earlier posts that a 2 inch magnet can deliver twice overunity
but this was when using a 2 valve motor with some coast time.
You estimated that a third valve would have delivered even better results.
But if I were to use smaller 1.65" N48 magnets in a Three Valve Motor, what kind of
efficiency can I expect?
Would I get no overtunity at all or will I at least get twice overtunity?
The overtunity ought to fade of when decreasing the magnet size, not totaly get lost.
What do you think of this Jack. Your'e the great man with the experience of this:D

Best Regards / Honk
« Last Edit: February 19, 2007, 12:03:57 AM by Honk »

Offline Nali2001

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #387 on: February 19, 2007, 12:48:43 AM »
Hi Jack,
Well one question howmany wire are you using mate...? You say you need like 300$ for the copper wire. Well the wire I always get is like 12$ a kilo (and that even is expensive) So I guess you'll be using a lot...?

Offline JackH

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #388 on: February 19, 2007, 02:16:15 AM »
Hello FredWalter,

« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 04:30:40 AM by JackH »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #389 on: February 19, 2007, 03:11:58 AM »