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hartiberlin

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #360 on: February 15, 2007, 08:50:28 PM »
Hi,
I wanted to add,
that just using an iron core versus using magnets is not the same thing.

The iron core has a much higher MuyR factor, so the inductance L of the
circuit is much higher and so the current needs a much longer time to build
up in this electromagnet and thus , it can not make fast RPMs,
cause then the magnetic flux is very low, cause it does not reach the
needed current level .

Otherwise a neodym magnet has a very low MuyR factor
so its inductance is low and thus the current can much faster rise
to the needed level and we can have a much faster RPM ( revolutions per minute
rotation speed) and thus more output torque power...

So the user, who claimed, one could just use an iron core is not right.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #361 on: February 16, 2007, 02:37:46 AM »
Hello Honk,
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 04:41:19 AM by JackH »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #362 on: February 16, 2007, 08:54:21 AM »
The iron core has a much higher MuyR factor, so the inductance L of the
circuit is much higher and so the current needs a much longer time to build
up in this electromagnet and thus , it can not make fast RPMs,
cause then the magnetic flux is very low, cause it does not reach the
needed current level .

But I'm planning to use a laminated silicon steel core. Not iron.
What do you think about the MuyR factor of non oriented silicon steel?

Otherwise a neodym magnet has a very low MuyR factor
so its inductance is low and thus the current can much faster rise
to the needed level and we can have a much faster RPM ( revolutions per minute
rotation speed) and thus more output torque power...

It's not possible to to use a plain magnet as core in this type of
motor, because the magnet valve does not shift flux polarity.
But an electro magnet valve is possible, but it will be surrounded
by silicon steel just to make it function right.
And this takes us back to my first question, the MuyR factor of silicon steel?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2007, 11:07:39 AM by Honk »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #363 on: February 16, 2007, 12:25:48 PM »
Hi Honk,
how high is the MuyR factor of silicon steel ?
Probably in the 100000 , right?

The MuyR Factor of Neodym or Ferrite magnets are only in the
10 to 100s, when I remember correctly, so there will
be at least a faster factor of 100 to 1000 difference in the
current ampere buildup inside the coil around the magnet !

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #364 on: February 16, 2007, 12:34:03 PM »
@Jack,

too bad to hear the patent office is playing "tricks" with you.

Don?t we hear this always, if something really important wants to be
patented ?

That is why we over here seek for open source publishing,
so it can not get suppressed.

Jack, if you get your motor to work in selfrunning mode,
showing this will give you enough money for the rest of
your life, also if you will fully publish it all.

You can just life of your famousity then.

What have you already paid for patent attorneys and
patent fees ? Probably a few thousands US$ , right ?

You could have avoided all these costs... and
now don?t have any stress anymore...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #365 on: February 16, 2007, 04:13:58 PM »
I get the sense of cold bloodedness here, it looks likes this man?s invention is maybe going down the drain and only one or two seem to show interest. I know there is nothing really we can do about it. (Realistically) But for what its worth I do want to which Jack and the project all the best. My advice is to make a good documented report which could serve as a full replication plan so that you have all the vital information in one file. And in the God forbid moment that they do take the patent away. You can release the info file to the world whenever you feel like it.

All the best mate,
Hope it will all turn out well

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #366 on: February 16, 2007, 08:35:07 PM »
Nali, I may be wrong, but I think there are a lot of people here quietly wishing Jack the best of luck while waiting to see what happens.

I myself agree with what's being said about going open source and having a back up plan in case the patent's stopped.

There are other things I'd like to say about the situation but this probably isn't the place.

Les.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #367 on: February 16, 2007, 09:46:20 PM »
My patents were supossed to be completed no later than late December of last year.   I have been told that two areas of the US military have been looking at my patent forms.  And I have neen told that they may become clasified material.

If your patent becomes classified material then, if I understand the situation in the USA, you'll be prohibited by USA law from releasing more info on your motors.

You have to decide, how likely is this to happen? If you think it is likely to happen, then you have to decide, do you want this technology to go to your grave with you, or would you like it to be fully developed? If the latter, then you need to do whatever disclosing that you are willing to do, before it gets classified.

If your motor is everything that you say it is, then odds are that your patent will get classified.

I hope that either your patent isn't classified, or that you release more info before it does get classified. Between peak oil, and global warming, and climate change, the people of the world need technology like yours. I've been looking into electric cars, and your motor would be great, because it takes a lot less electricity to produce the same horsepower as a conventional electric motor.

BTW, I really like your motors - very nice machining.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #368 on: February 17, 2007, 12:32:17 AM »
Hello All,
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 04:42:46 AM by JackH »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #369 on: February 17, 2007, 02:03:06 AM »
Well Jack one thing you could do when shi-t hits the fan is contact Dr. Steven Greer from the Disclosure Project.
http://www.disclosureproject.org/
and
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Disclosure+Project
They are always on the search for people with that kind of tech. The f.e department of the disclosure project is called "SEAS" thats "space energy access systems" http://www.seaspower.com/

Maybe someone here http://www.opensourceenergy.org knows more.
Or perhaps contact Bedini or Peter Lindemann. They might have the right contacts for you.
If you want their mail address let me know...
All the best

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #370 on: February 17, 2007, 02:11:49 AM »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #371 on: February 17, 2007, 03:05:14 AM »


I also have a working gravity machine.  The one I have is only about 24In. in dia. and puts out enough power to lite severial tail lite bulbs from a car.  This gravity machine could be scalled up to easly power a house.   I have never gotten a patent on this thing.  It also could be turned loose to the public.  I have invested about $6000.00 in this project, how do I get that back if I go public.

Later,,,,,,Jack W Hildenbrand


Hi Jack,
if you really have a running gravity energy converter and can light up
a few light bulbs with it, that is indeed a real great invention too !
You would be the second Bessler !
(checkout www.besslerwheel.com)


You could easily get the 6000 US$ back,
if you would make a video or DVD of it and
sell this to a videocompany selling a DVD of it
or sell it yourself over here or via Ebay for instance.
Then you could also sell the plans how to build
this gravity machine.
This would probably bring lot more money, if you do it right
and get help from friends which would support you in taping the
video and writing and drawing the plans, etc...


Also you could apply for some Free Energy prize moneys.

So there are many possibilities how to earn money with it...
Also getting invited for paid talkshows
or just from people who donate money to you,
cause they liked what you did, etc...
you will just get  money...

The problem is, seeing is believing
and we have to see it, that it really works....

I guess, somebody who invents something like this,
will of course be famous, if he would like it or not...
as this would be the biggest invention since long time
and people want to know the guy who did it...

Regards, Stefan.



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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #372 on: February 17, 2007, 03:37:50 AM »
Jack if the American Government suppresses your patent ( they have suppressed many patents before, I think they have about 3,000 patents suppressed at the present time) then I don't think that your investors  have any moral or legal claim on you. I don't think you could be sued for fraud. I would very carefully check that out before you make any of your discoveries public domain, as this could be a problem. I have taken the trouble to copy these remarks by George Wiseman of Eagle research about the problems of patenting and how he has overcome the problem. You curiosity has certainly lead you these last 25 years to make some discoveries that if they are proved correct will defiantly help mankind, and I am certain from your point of view hoped would give you a comfortable old age. I have followed the posting on this thread for several months now and I am convinced that you have made many friends around the world. Whether you can trust them is something else, but there must be a creative solution. It would be a tragedy if your discoveries were suppressed. I live over here in Europe but I think that if my memory serves me correctly that you live in Ohio. Didn't a couple of bicycles repairmen who lived in Ohio invent some sort of flying machine over 100 years ago. It would be sad if 25 years of work was suppressed. Anyway jack look after yourself and check out the comment below from George Wiseman, he seems to me to be a very Wiseman.   





To continue inventing practical energy solutions, I make money immediately by selling books and kits, instead of spending thousands of dollars and years of time getting a patent. Investing the time and money into getting a patent does not give any guarantee you'll make money. Selling books and product makes money immediately. Investing the time and money (that you would have spent acquiring a patent) into product development instead, will give you a much better chance of getting the product into the market place and give you money in your pocket. Not to say that patents aren't an applicable tool in some situations, they just aren't good for inventors in my situation. Nondisclosure agreements, trademarks and copyrights are inexpensive, fast, sufficient and reasonable protection. Several inventors have now seen what I've accomplished and are switching to my methods.

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PATENTS ARE TIME LIMITED
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If someone can develop and sell inventions better than mine, they should do it. I sincerely believe in free market competition. Free market is what we used to have, it's what made America the greatest superpower on earth. It's what we've lost (due to suppression) and others have picked up, so America is losing ground FAST. I help people make money by providing products that help people save money, become more energy independent and save the earth's resources.
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PROTECTION BY PUBLIC DOMAIN
Ironically it has been my experience that making the information public domain actually protects me and those people who distribute my technology several ways:
? Industry is loath to tool up when they think someone (anyone) else may compete with them. They are afraid of free market after having been protected so long.
? Greedy thinking investors are loath to finance technology that is public domain. In spite of the fact that most patents are bypassed in one way or another anyway. This is OK for me, because I don't want the greedy thinking investors involved with technologies I'm working on. I want the abundance thinking investors.
? It becomes redundant for 'vested interest' to try to suppress a technology that has been spread around the world. By making knowledge public domain I'm spared 'suppression grief'. I may make only crumbs, having given the cake away, but those crumbs are all I need and I have something more important, peace of mind :)))
? Information that is public domain becomes forever unpatentable by anyone. Or rather, someone could get a patent because the patent office is inefficient that way, but it would be thrown out of court as a useless piece of paper as soon as it was proved that the information was public domain.
I've seen inventors patent ideas that were already patented (or ideas that are public domain) to encourage investors to participate in marketing their product. These patents are legal smoke and are no protection, because the industry either knows or can easily find out the truth. The one left without protection is the investor, and the inventor has actually committed fraud.
There is very little (of the technology that I work with) that has not already been patented and expired, making it public domain. Writing books is also an excellent way to make information public domain. No one can prevent use of this information by patenting.
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The technology is now developing so fast because we are using the opposite philosophy that Yull Brown used. Why keep using a philosophy that obviously didn't work? If you want a different result, change something.  Eagle-Research redeveloped the Brown's Gas technology from scratch in eight months time, with a total research budget of $6,000 per month. Yull Brown was so secretive that he was no help to us. Our machines were half the weight and size; took half the wattage to make the same volume of gas; operate quietly and have safety features not found on any previous designs. We were able to do this by openly cooperating with anyone who is interested in the technology. We finance the research by selling the information (as books) and by selling the world's best Brown's Gas watertorches. Abundance mentality states, 'help others and you help yourself'. This occurs directly by feedback from those you helped and indirectly because your contribution helped all of mankind and comes back to you through multiple blessings. In the Universe, every positive thought and action, no matter how small, makes a significant difference.
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #373 on: February 17, 2007, 06:40:17 PM »
To All,
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 04:34:01 AM by JackH »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #374 on: February 17, 2007, 07:14:48 PM »
Mate here I go telling you something strange:

What you could do is build the motors yourself and put them up for sale. No wait? hear me out. I know this is not the solution too all your problems. But it can be done. If you can build a system for like 4000dollar (material, magnets, wire, man-hour) I will tell you, you can sell these easily for like 8000 ok it will not be affordable for the common man yet but I think this could get things rolling. Sell 10 of these and you end up with 40.000 in your pocket. Sound like childish reasoning but it might be a start/solution. And mate even if they take the motor patent away. I?m sure you could come up with another magnetic gate based invention like a magnetic gated transformer or anything that is some bit different than your current patent, so it will be counted as a separated invention.
All the best?