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Offline mark australia

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2006, 03:05:57 PM »
Well done Jack, I wish you well and once again well done.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #76 on: July 19, 2006, 09:13:24 PM »
JackH,

You're a bloody legend mate. 

To see you offer up the info like that...well...it was a moment of greatness on your part. 

Thanks for that, and good luck with it all.

Les.   

   

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Hilden-Brand Electromagnet Motor Feature Page Posted
« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2006, 02:26:16 AM »
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Director:Hilden-Brand_Electromagnet_Motor

Jack Hilden-Brand recently measured around 2x over-unity in his electromagnetic motor design, which closely resembles the Joseph Flynn parallel path concept.

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Hilden-Brand Electromagnet Motor Feature Page Posted
« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2006, 02:26:16 AM »
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2006, 04:06:51 AM »
A friend emailed me the following statements:

"It appears that Joe Flynn's Parallel Path patent covers what
Hilden-Brand has done.
So if Hilden-Brand tries to patent it he will run into Flynn's patent.

Also, an FYI, Joe Flynn's Parallel Path motor is being used and built by
Boeing and also by Seagate for hard disk drive motors.

It's real.  I have done a ton of FEMM simulations on different variations
of this approach.  I can verify that the expected efficiency is around 200%
up to about 250% without friction and windage or other losses taken into
account.   If you consider that a typical variable reluctance or switched
reluctance motor is around 90% efficient the 2x improvement would result
in an efficiency of about 180% taking a standard SRM as a reference.

I just wanted you to know that it is a real phenomenon.  The first case of
this being seen is at this Japanese site (circa 1995, [see "Profile" page).
{Motor construction 2002}

http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e401.html

I independently verified the curve you see in Figure 5 with FEMM
simulation runs
before I saw this site.

So Hilden-Brand has invented the same thing as what this site shows, but
10 years
later.  His form is a bit different, but essentially the same in
principle.  It's good to
see another confirmation of the approach.  Hilden-Brand's is pretty
creative actually.
I hadn't thought of using the magnet and coil in the same volume.  However,
he would have a micro gap between the coil core and the rest of the magnetic
circuit.  That can result in a bit of flux leakage to the rotor that
might not be
desireable."

So far the comment from a friend who is a very schooled specialist in FEMM
simulations.
Anyway, it is nice to see some confirmations this way !
Jack has really brought out something very useful !

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2006, 06:11:38 AM »
I am sure Jack will get his patent, for 2 reasons:

1) Jack's design is sufficiently different from Flynn's:
a) Jack uses only one magnet, Flynn uses two
b) Jack uses one coil that surrounds the magnet, Flynn's uses 2 coils, and they don't surround the magnet

The end results, if both were put into black boxes, would be very similar. As far as the overall efficiency of each, I still need to go do some simulations with either FEMM or Ansoft Maxwell SV. It will be interesting to see if one comes out ahead, or if they are dead even.

2) Patents do little or nothing in protecting intellectual property rights of the owner, and patents that are so similar to each other are being granted every day. IMO, patents are a waste of time, effort, money, stress and lawsuits.

All the same, I wish you luck Jack.

z_p_e
« Last Edit: July 22, 2006, 06:36:31 AM by z_p_e »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Offline Liberty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2006, 02:58:18 PM »
I am sure Jack will get his patent, for 2 reasons:

1) Jack's design is sufficiently different from Flynn's:
a) Jack uses only one magnet, Flynn uses two
b) Jack uses one coil that surrounds the magnet, Flynn's uses 2 coils, and they don't surround the magnet

The end results, if both were put into black boxes, would be very similar. As far as the overall efficiency of each, I still need to go do some simulations with either FEMM or Ansoft Maxwell SV. It will be interesting to see if one comes out ahead, or if they are dead even.

2) Patents do little or nothing in protecting intellectual property rights of the owner, and patents that are so similar to each other are being granted every day. IMO, patents are a waste of time, effort, money, stress and lawsuits.

All the same, I wish you luck Jack.

z_p_e

Well, what you left, begs to have the question asked:  How do you protect Intellectual Property Rights then?  With lawsuits?

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2006, 05:03:07 PM »
Quote
a) Jack uses only one magnet, Flynn uses two
b) Jack uses one coil that surrounds the magnet, Flynn's uses 2 coils, and they don't surround the magnet

  Also, it seems to me by adding more power input to a Flynn built motor will not increase the output. Do the same with a motor built by Jacks design and your output should increase. The extra input will not be wasted as it would with a Flynn device.

 Speed control for Flynn: Timing (Oscillation)
 Speed control for Jack: Timing and/or Extra power

  I also think it would be easier to build a motor using Jacks design rather then Flynns.

  Just my thoughts.

 Drak

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2006, 07:33:18 PM »
I've made simple Jack's valve just to see how does it work - magnet 3/4x3/4, bushing coil 11/5x3/4, blocks from mild soft steel.

With no power applied the side block jumps from distance of 1/8, with power applied - from 5/8. It means flux increased about 4-times (square root of distance). And when energised it's impossible to pull it apart - attraction so strong.

But, when power is off the side block still under big attraction of left magnetisation. Besides, coil with a core without the magnet do almost the same job, plus very little residual magnetisation.
Needa lots of practice to get a "golden middle"...

Respect, Jack, you found it. But how you managed to do it mechanically only?...
 

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2006, 07:53:34 PM »
This could be a whole new topic but...

It doesn't even get to the lawsuit stage. IPR can not be protected, and in fact if you think about it, the existence of a patent "system" even makes it easier for one's ideas to be "stolen". Someone will always "improve" on your idea, or change it sufficiently to merit the issuance of a patent that effectively "supersedes" yours. It is futile to try and protect your intellectual property. Lawsuits just get ugly, and there are no guarantees, either way.

A better concept in my opinion, is once you have implemented your idea into a solid, repeatable working prototype, there are two immediate approaches as to how one can proceed:

1) Establish an incorporation, and begin developing the item as a marketable product. Yes this takes money, but so does starting almost any business. You may also try to find some investors that a) do not want control for your idea, and b) that do not require you to have a patent before they will fund you. Once you have established a modest revenue from your business, you then have the option of widely disclosing the concept or idea to the public domain, thereby quashing the possibility of it being patented by anyone else. You still get credit for the idea/concept/design, and at the same time, you have a huge head start on anyone that may choose to be competition. An analogy might be similar to Apple, with the iPod. There are others that do similar things, but they are NOT an iPod. It is a win/win situation, you benefit from your effort, and at the same time, you have given the idea to mankind for it and the earth to benefit.

2) Fully disclose your idea to the Free Energy community. It certainly is large enough all over the world now that your name will go down in history as the originator, and there would most likely be benefits that would come along the way. Of course this approach also negates the possbility of the idea being patented by anyone else (a good thing), as it would now be in the public domain.

Perhaps with approach 1) or 2), we could finally move on from being so dependant on oil, and get on with producing clean free energy. Too many FE inventions have been lost, buried, bought off, suppressed, ridiculed, all in the name of capitalism, and the idea of patents and secrecy, certainly seem to play a role in propagating this on-going phenomenum.

You may choose to never disclose your idea to anyone, and this is the only effective way to protect your intellectual property. However, you will not benefit much from this approach, and certainly there will be no benefit to anyone else either.

z_p_e

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2006, 07:53:34 PM »
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2006, 08:37:36 PM »
What do you think would happen if you used this valve as a transformer? 

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2006, 02:07:35 AM »
Hello Jack Hildenbrand,
congratulation to your -pardon me,exspected-invention !
It is a part of the evolution to combinate electrons and magnetism !

To Elvis Oswald:
Yes,I think to introduce the JackH concept into "TRANSFORMER" like
Mr.Keiichiro`s invention JP2003009558.

Sincerely
            de Lanca

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2006, 08:05:40 AM »
It's not a problem yet, Jack, I'm just trying to get into picture...
What's the proper name of this steel (sylicon(?) Iron)? It has to be classified somehow, right; alloy or something...

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2006, 08:09:50 AM »
Hello Jack H. First of all I would like to say I have never seen a more beautifuly crafted machine than yours.  I have been doing relentless homework on the subject of rare earth metals and somehow I found your website. Anyway I have a few questions: are you aware of the REMAT engine and specifically the coils they use? The company is GMCC. They were a public company but are currently a private entity. Your motor looks a lot like what they have. Anyway congratulations on your invention and thank you for continuing the effort to help future generations. People like you are what keeps this great country alive and gives hopes to a better future for everyone. Godbless.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2006, 09:17:24 AM »
Hi,


I vas looking for some shielding materials and have found this:
http://www.amuneal.com/pages/magshield-material.php

"the highest permeability alloys such as Amumetal have the lowest saturation values"


Thanks,

Adalbert.

Ps: I believe in free energy.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2006, 09:49:01 AM »
Hello Jack, here is the link you were asking for. They asked for a revoke from the SEC in March and they are currently still working on plans to justify the claims they made. I was an investor with them and it makes me happy to know I am not crazy in thinking that motors like these are possible. If you think this is a negative message board you should check out the Raging Bull.com message board for GMCC. Someone like you could have saved us a lot of trouble with the sceptics over there.  Did you study Tesla to further your research? Thanks again Jack and let me know what you think of the REMAT and the coil technology. My ultimate dream is to be driving a magnet motor car into my solar powered house......... that dream thanks to great minds like yours make that possible and show never give up in your goals.  ;D                            If you go to Peswiki (dot) com and type in to Search it will bring you to thier main page

 

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