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Author Topic: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor  (Read 249983 times)

Offline Kirk

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2006, 10:50:09 PM »

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2006, 05:55:18 AM »
Hi Jack ,
many thanks for posting this info !
Did you now get your patent, so you can tell us this ?
Very good idea to do it this way with the local shortout iron cylinder !
Reminds me of the tricks Dave Squires made in the MFT.
So is your rotor then also just an iron core or does it also have magnets ?
Many thanks for your great research and craftsmanship !
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2006, 07:46:08 AM »
Hi Jack,
why not just use only an iron wire coil
around the magnet as I have posted it over here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1119.msg8914.html#msg8914

2. Also did you try yet to build a transformer on your principle ?
If your motor is overunity , a solid state transformer should also be overunity
with this principle !
It should get you more power output than power input,
if you use a pulsed driver circuit.

Many thanks for publishing your principle over here.

Regards,Stefan.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2006, 07:46:08 AM »
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2006, 08:10:00 AM »
Yes, simple and clever, this is the way!
I also think, it can work in a solid state device.

Thank you Jack! It is a really great idea!
I wish you to build your most efficient motor next.

Regards,
Gregory

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2006, 02:29:42 PM »
  Jack,

  Excellent idea. Thank you for posting your valve. I'm glad you finally got your patents, alot quicker then I expected.

  Does neo's have to be used? Have you tried it with rectangle magnets?

  Wow, that really is a good idea. Many thanks. What is your next step? It would be nice if you could find a company that will build them for you. Or you could build and sell them your self. Well whatever your plans are, thank you again!


  P.S.  My invitation is still open, but I don't think proof is needed now.


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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2006, 02:29:42 PM »
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2006, 03:02:56 PM »
Nice thinking Jack.

I am wondering however, how it is possible that the same power is required no matter how strong the magnet is?

It seems that the stronger the magnet, the more energy is required to "buck" the magnet's field to force it around and through the armature, rather than the sleeve. If that's the case, then there would only be one combination of magnet strength and sleeve thickness/permeability that would match the 8 Watts of power energizing the coil.

Any deviation from this would mean either power is being wasted in the coil due to over-bucking the field, or you would not be diverting all the available flux from the magnet due to under-bucking it's field.

Therefore, to maximize the efficiency, the power used to energize the coil should be emperically or mathematically determined.

As I mentioned before, this is a variation of the Flynn et al method.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2006, 04:07:34 PM »
Hello All,

Well here it is  The Hilden-Brand electro magnetic valve.

Later,,,,JackH


Jack you surprised everyone I think by showing it now before your patent is approved (or has it been approved?).  Simple design and effective.  Nicely done.  Congratulations! :o

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2006, 04:07:34 PM »
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2006, 04:23:53 PM »
I wonder if 'Jake' is still following the board to see a design that uses magnets? 

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2006, 09:16:19 PM »
Hello JackH,

many thanks for posting this now. It is really an admirable and simple idea. Congratulation.

Out of curiosity I just put four neos (12mm with hole) in suitable washers to see whether they can be shorted. Well, seems neos with hole wont work. Mine cylinder still stick to the refrigerator (probably wants to cool down in current sweat ;). The magnet should be definitely without a hole as is on the picture.

all the best,
MT

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2006, 11:20:54 PM »
Kudos for posting that Jack. :)

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2006, 11:25:37 PM »
Hi Jack,
many thanks for all the additional infos.
You have made really a great invention.
I hope that your patent will also bring you some benefit from
it and that your motor is soon produced by a company on a bigger scale.

Many thanks !
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2006, 01:36:44 AM »
Hello MT,

You need more than just washers around the magnets to make them none magnetic.  There needs to be also endcaps, like the two field pices on each end of the magnets.

Hello z_p_e,

The strenght of the magnets has alot to do with how much power is needed to equial them.  I have been using N48, it takes 8 watts of power no mater how big the magnet is.   In other words, a one inch magnet takes 8 watts, also a three inch magnet takes only 8 watts if it is an N48. This is one of the great things about this valve.  No mater how big the magnet is it still only takes 8 watts of power to turn it on.  etc, a very large machine could be controled with very little power.

Hello Greg & Gregory,

Yes I have tryed to build a solid state generator, and yes it did work, and yes it is also covered in the patent.

Hello hartiberlin,

Well I guess you could just use Iron wire.  But I chose to use the Iron cylinder because it will give I think better results, plus the fact you can build the coil out of copper wire, much less resistence to electric flow and also it can be very esaly wound for any voltage you want.  And yes the rotor also has magnets in it.   I tryed it without magnets, worked good however with magnets in the rotor you end up with large amounts of torque.

Hello Drak,

Drak I have not tryed this idea with any other magnets than neo's.  I would think it would work with any kind of magnets.






Jack, are you going to produce your motors yourself, or have you found a place to do that for you?  Also, do you plan to run your own company, or join up with another? 

 

Liberty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2006, 01:55:08 AM »
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I wonder if 'Jake' is still following the board to see a design that uses magnets?

Lib,

I'm listening, but not really posting any more.

Jake

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2006, 02:00:41 AM »
Well good Jake,

I'm glad you are still out there.  Good to hear from you again.

Liberty

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Re: Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor
« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2006, 04:04:31 AM »
Hello Liberty,

Well I do not know just how I am going about things at this time.  I really would like to start a small company and manufacture these things myself, but the money just is not there.    I am still hoping that I can build a self running motor/generator out of this thing, but I do believe that I will need to buy some larger machine shop equipment to do that.   It seems to be that the larger the magnet you use the more efficiency you get out of the valve, but my machine shop will only allow me to work with no larger than two inch magnets, even with the two inch magnets, it has been very hard and time consuming to build a motor.

I only hope that I can hold my investers off for as long as it takes for me to build a self running motor/generator.  If not it will probably be sold to the highest bidder and may be put on the shelf.  And NO,  I do not want that to happin.  That is why I realeased it here.

Later,,,,,JackH


Perhaps you could just license the patent to other companies, forgoing the cost of construction yourself (while maintaining control of the patent).  However, you may have to go to those companies and present your motor and demo it for them with the stats as you have done here.  But you have a very nice product and a very good idea to go with it.  You will do well.  Perhaps some of your investors will push the motor to these companies for you, to help solidify their investment returns by licensing the patent to these companies. 

I wish you well and admire your work.  It's a work of art.

Keep in touch and let us know how it is going and how your generator combo comes out.

Liberty

 

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