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Author Topic: Flynn's Parallel Path  (Read 56185 times)

Offline longwolf

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Flynn's Parallel Path
« on: March 10, 2006, 10:07:45 PM »
If you want an electromagnetic gate here it is!
Not only that, it gives 3.45 times more flux than supplied by the current!!!

You can build these.
Copy the files, pass the word and pray for Joe!

There are a lot more links, but these are some of the best:

Article:Joe Flynn's Parallel Path Magnetic Technology -- by Tim Harwood
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Joe_Flynn%27s_Parallel_Path_Magnetic_Technology_--_by_Tim_Harwood

Build a Proof-of-Concept Flynn Parallel Path Magnet Device
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Flynn_Parallel_Path_principle_device

Build a Flynn Parallel Path Magnet Technology Motor -- Difficult Version
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/PESWiki:Flynn_Parallel_Path_motor

Directory:FPPMT:Paul Noel
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:FPPMT:Paul_Noel

How Parallel Path Gets Over Unity
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/academy/papers/How_Parallel_Path_Gets_Over_Unity/

Flynn Research
http://www.flynnresearch.net/parallel_path_magnetics_vs__similar_devices_2.htm

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Flynn's Parallel Path
« on: March 10, 2006, 10:07:45 PM »

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2006, 03:12:32 AM »
Hmm,
has the Flynn device really proven to be overunity also
in the dynamic case, that means during running the motor ?

Okay, in the static case it amplifies the magnetic forces,
but in the dynamic case there must be coils energized and
de-energized in the cycles.. this also needs energy and
I wonder what the real COP of a Flynn rotating motor is ?
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2006, 07:24:09 PM »
If we use this idea to move magnetic field to unbalance?

excuse my english

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2006, 02:41:44 AM »
I haven't done any testing but, from what I've read, it's not amplifying anything, rather it's controlling the magnet's field. So instead of having it spread on both sides of the setup, it relocates them to one side. I'm not saying this is not useful, I strongly believe that controlling the magnet's flows is extremely useful. If the sum of all the magnetic fields on both sides is the same before than after the manipulation, taking into account the contribution by the coil, then there wasn't an amplification. Again, this is from what a person with little experience like me has understood, so please trash me if I'm mistaken.

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2006, 09:13:59 PM »
I have just read Flynn's STAIF paper on work in conjunction with Boeing. Ii is  very guarded and conservative in the way the data is presented, But when it talks about the generator they have built  it talks of it having EXTRAORDNARY ccpabilities. I have never seen a description of this kind in a paper before. I reckon they have a hot item here and are trying to keep it low key. oriolesys

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Offline smarthousesys

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2006, 11:08:15 PM »
I have noticed that at least one of Flynn's earlier patents relates to a Torbayish style  over unity motor. I wonder if anyone has looked at this in any detail - us patent 5753990

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2006, 01:58:56 PM »
The Flynn thing is very interesting at minimum.  It made the cover of a "trade rag" recently.

As hartiberlin pointed out, I suspect there will be issues that arise when things start to rotate.  It can be difficult to predict and understand what is going on when a bunch of conductive mass starts to intersect the flux paths.  I can assure you that currents are being generated in there somewhere.

If, as Username_1 states, the real cop is <87%, Flynn doesn't even have a very good motor at this point.

I read somewhere that he is using steel rotors (no magnets in the rotor).  This seems a little odd to me.  I'm sure that is not where you would start, so I am guessing that experimentation with magnetic rotors uncovered problems, which drove him to steel rotors.  This has to be a compromise, in my opinion.  No "normal" motor utilizes a rotor that is not somehow magnetized, whether it be directly magnetized or induced.

I suspect that even though he can almost quadruple the force with some electrical input, you have the problem of requiring electric input to make the magnet "let go" when you want it to as well.  This automatically requires electrical input to the coil at a higher duty cycle (energise one way to quadruple the force, energise the other way to "let go").  In a normal motor, the electricity is effectively "turned off" to make the proper coils "let go" at the proper point in the rotation, thus it is "free" to let go.  In the Flynn design, it looks like there is a cost to "let go" as well as a cost to amplify.

I think JackH's system makes a little more sense to me.  From what he has described, he has created a "valve" that only requires pulses of current.  I don't see how the Flynn thing could work with pulses only.  Maybe I am missing something though.  The rotary example of the Flynn principle is a little confusing to me.  The "H" looking thing that he uses to demonstrate the force amplification is fairly straight forward (and interesting).  But, it is clear that it would require just as much current to let go as it does to quadruple the force.

I also wonder what happens when you take away the bar across the top and get rid of that flux path.  I am a little confused about whether that bar needs to be there or not, and what happens if it is not.

At minimum, the Flynn device exposes some interesting things.  I would describe what is going on as "coercing" the flux.  The concept of coercing magnetic flux in the way Flynn is doing it is interesting to me.  The question becomes, is there a way to do it with a low enough energy input to make it useful, and do dynamic conditions (motor rotation) cause problems that don't allow it to be useful in motors.

There are also indications that very strong magnets (Nib type, for example) are "too strong" to easily apply to the Flynn concept.  ??? What is that all about?  You have to use stone age magnets to make the thing work???

It is also interesting that what Flynn is doing is not really new, although he appears to be getting patents on "his" ideas.  The old space shoes appear to be the same principle that Flynn is patenting.

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jake

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2006, 05:20:40 PM »
The space shoes used the same principle of energising a coil to cause the permanent magnets to release by shunting, or coercing the flux path away from the holding point on the shoes.

see:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm

A quote from the article:

R. J. Radus, "Permanent Magnet Flux Transfer Principle," Internal Westinghouse paper, date unknown; ______  "Permanent-Magnet Circuit using a 'Flux-Transfer' principle," Engineers' Digest, date unknown (July 1963???), p. 86.



Looks like fundamentally the same principle "Flux transfer" - referred to ca 1963!

Tell me you can't see the similarity between the "flux switching" device and Flynns device?
« Last Edit: May 23, 2006, 05:32:08 PM by jake »

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2006, 06:37:08 PM »
"Tell me you can't see the similarity between the "flux switching" device and Flynns device?".
- There's a difference. In Jack's motor rotor  consists of coils, and stator's field switches somehow by electromagnet. In Flynn's idea coil switches the flux of stator, and rotor - permanent magnet.

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2006, 12:07:03 AM »
I wasn't comparing Jack's motor to the flynn device.  I was comparing the space shoes in the link in my last post to the flynn device.

If you follow the link, and look at the "flux switching" device shown in the article, it is fundamentally (exactly) the flynn device.

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 02:34:16 AM »
"flux switching" device shown in the article, it is fundamentally (exactly) the flynn device.
- Yes Jake, sorry, the Jacks motor sits in mind tight. Seems this "flux switching" is a MEG principle, anyway different from Flynn's. But of course needa modulate the magnetic field in certain way to get unbalanced forces.

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 03:19:24 AM »
Being somewhat new to this, I don't know what "MEG" means.  What is it?


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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 06:42:14 PM »
This is only true in the static case.
If you have a running rotor the system is dynamic and
then the Lentz law comes into play...things then change !

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 07:46:01 PM »
What is very interesting is that Figure 7 in Flynn's STAIF paper shows motor efficiencies quite a bit above 100 per cent at low torque. Sadly I do not have the necessary rights to post the paper itself.

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Re: Flynn's Parallel Path
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2006, 12:31:06 AM »
Replicated experiments seem to show an increase in magnetic force.  This will make a strong motor, but the implications for transforming power is greater in my mind.  From the first link it seemed like a transformer would double the power applied to the first circuit if setup like this.
You could use half to power the device once started... and since a device of reasonable size would probably use low voltage to manifest the parallel path... you'd have to come up with a way to store that energy.
And the secondary might add something to the whole resonance equation that makes it not work...

But - you might set it in motion with one magnet approaching a coil.  Maybe like the Marks device??  I'd hate to admit that horse wasn't really dead... ;)

 

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