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Call me an old softy....but when it comes to caring for my fellow man, I certainly don't mind appearing the fool to garner attention to critically important factual observations.
With our host's permission, I'd like to again share some previously posted information, this time, keeping it limited simply to my personal observations of natural fact.
Fact 1: I've witnessed over the last couple years, that the sun has crept further north during the summer, most notable on June 21. Also, further south in winter than in years past....most notable on Dec. 21.
Fact 2: According to my personal observations, the moon's orbit now appears to vary Widely. (notice the capital 'W') One can observe it rising low in the southeast and tracking low across the southern sky and only days later, watch it pop up over the northeast horizon and track high overhead, slightly north of my position at 41deg N. Latitude.
Fact 3: I've begun to find more and more people seeing the same things, including the Inuit peoples of the high north, who are very observant of such things.
Fact 4: I've watched various and manifold mainstream news media reports which indicate that Tsunamis, oceanic earthquakes, and "rogue" giant anomalous sea waves are on the increase.
Just some simple FYI for those willing and capable of taking from such facts, that which they may.
Blessings all, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
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25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
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@TechStuf,
Go here: http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/moonc60.zip
and download the Moon calculator program. It runs
under DOS and was written in 2001. (It should run
in Windows, in a DOS window.)
You can also download from this site: http://www.ummah.net/ildl/mooncalc.html
Now insert you location, date and time into the program.
Then check the moon position. Please report if you find
that the moon is NOT where the program predicts the
moon should be.
Do you use a sextant to measure the angle of the Moon?
Regards,
Groundloop.
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I suppose I could get technical with the whole phenomenon, and perhaps I should, but moonrise locations vary so widely over the course of approximately a couple week's time, that nobody with eyes to see, even needs a visual aid to notice huge variation. Using eyesight alone, I can ascertain that I'm looking at over 45 degrees of variance as measured from my location to southern and northermost moonrise locations in the forementioned span of time.
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@TechStuf,
I think you should go technical. I doesn't take much work to run the program
and then go outside with a compass and a sextant to measure the position
of the Moon.
Another way of doing it is to mount a fish eye lens (cheep one) onto a web
camera (cheep one). Make it watertight. Then mount the camera ontop of a mast or
on top of you roof, pointing straight up. You align the camera so that the
picture UP is pointed to true north. Then you can monitor the Moon and Sun
at you PC. You can take snap shots or record the video.
Relaying on your MKII-eyeball is not an accurate method proving your point. :-)
Groundloop.
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Relaying on your MKII-eyeball is not an accurate method proving your point. :-)
In our dark and cynical day and age, I've learned that one can do very little to prove his own point. Just as each man must work out his own salvation with fear and trembling, each must prove to one's self, just what is really what and who is really Who.
If all the evidence in my former posts, including clear cut photographic evidence is so easily dismissed, then, in my view, the eyes have it.
Without faith, the works of mankind are dead, and his planet with him.
Besides, at any rate, I've no doubt that earth will soon reveal it's own predicament in a fashion which totally eclipses my paltry efforts.
Blessings in Yeshua
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25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
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i use a program called pocket stars on my pda (they support smartphones and pc's also). they have a free 15 day trial.
http://www.nomadelectronics.com/
might be applicable here, if you believe in tech instead of prophecy...
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WilbyInebriated,
Thanks I will take a look. :-)
Groundloop.
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The following, or similar, can be found at various college websites around the world:
http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/images/nodes.jpg
Take a moment, if interested, to ascertain the current moon orbit and it's LARGE orbital path variance.
As old Isaiah and Luke warned us, the hour IS late.
Blessings in Yeshua
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Video video on the moon and earth, Thanks to Japan's new satellite and then some.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu3oZyViqxM&NR=1
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So, what exactly about the video makes your point, or are you citing it's generality as entertainment?
Another university website is offered:
http://www.nhn.ou.edu/~jeffery/astro/moon/diagram/moon_orbit_001.png
Does this information coincide with what one can easily witness intermittently over the course of 2 weeks or so?
Regards,
TS
P.S. What is so frightening regarding this issue to TPTB? It's not like they haven't caused enough fear and resentment with their destruction of the economy, while giving billions to corrupt bankers! It's not like their engineered H1N1 virus isn't causing panic and consternation. What greater harm in knowing the Truth about the earth wobble? Or is that just a tad too much fear than they deem warranted to maintain their death grip of world domination?
25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
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So, what exactly about the video makes your point, or are you citing it's generality as entertainment?
Another university website is offered:
http://www.nhn.ou.edu/~jeffery/astro/moon/diagram/moon_orbit_001.png
Does this information coincide with what one can easily witness intermittently over the course of 2 weeks or so?
Regards,
TS
P.S. What is so frightening regarding this issue to TPTB? It's not like they haven't caused enough fear and resentment with their destruction of the economy, while giving billions to corrupt bankers! It's not like their engineered H1N1 virus isn't causing panic and consternation. What greater harm in knowing the Truth about the earth wobble? Or is that just a tad too much fear than they deem warranted to maintain their death grip of world domination?
25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
Techstuf, it sounds like you are starting to go off into the deep end, please just step back into the Light and it will be all right! ;D
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i use a program called pocket stars on my pda (they support smartphones and pc's also). they have a free 15 day trial.
http://www.nomadelectronics.com/
might be applicable here, if you believe in tech instead of prophecy...
Hi Wilby.
I use a program called starry night back yard pro, you can monitor the heavens for any point in space as far back as 10,000 years. there is a ton of plug-ins and additional downloads if you know where to look, some downloads include formula plugins and adding over +70,000 more star charts, you can visit any place in the known universe and fly there and look at the sky from the new location in the known universe.
I am using an older version and it is teaming with need to know stuff, I am sure the new modern pro version has much more to offer. the best version is a little expensive but if you are a star nut then it is worth every penny.
you can even go to the moon and plot things, it's really cool. you can see actual pressions and such of all the heavenly bodies. to much to go into really.
you can even use it on an automated telescope system to point and click to go there in real time sky view and see it on your computer for other options.
Jerry
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Deep end?
If that's what you call mustering the observational skills of a 5th grader in order to see the writing on the Wall.....
Yeah, I guess that's deep.
Just me, Joe Blow, and the Eskimo....diving into the deep end.
http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm
http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth’s-axis-has-changed-›-create-new-post-—-wordpress/
http://www.eh2r.com
Blessings in Yeshua
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As a kid the summer sun would rise and strike our house directly at the corner...now however, it shines squarely through a window on the side of the house.
Regards...
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A small amount of research on the moon's orbit, versus what is taking place today, is not hard to conduct. The moon orbits low across southern sky and two weeks later it is high above rising slightly to the north of my position at 41 degrees.
Although I've been telling others now for a few months, I've begun in earnest, realizing that the propaganda psy op movie: 2012 was coming out shortly. It's out today, actually.
Now, bringing up this eminently provable phenomenon will get you the rolled eyeballs and the comment "you've watched that movie 2012 one too many times!"
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls—never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20
Blessings in Yeshua
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Saw the movie 2012 today. As expected, it was an emotional thrill ride harnessed by a corunucopia of jabs at Christianity while deifying human will. The M.O. of TPTB is in full view in this latest of a long line of "psy-op" big budget extravaganzas. The foundational premise is based on the "mayan" prophecy....such as it is. While Christian prophecy, despite being proved correct, is still relegated to "nutjob" status.
Make no mistake people, our earth is reeling....as can be easily proven if one but takes the time to see. Our moon's apparent orbit is the easiest of the signs to spot, as it now rises in the south east and orbits across the sky in the low south, slowly making it's way over a span of a couple weeks or so, to high in the sky, rising in the north east!
Do not let anyone, no matter how well intentioned, if such be the case, confuse you with jargon, the moon's orbit should NOT be swaying so...
Once again, the moon's orbit, as described on many a University website is thus:
http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~crawfo..._moonorbit.gif
And should not be moving all over the sky as it has been doing as of late. It appears to orbit in such a manner largely because earth is rocking beneath it, as can be verified by the vertical rocking of our current pole star, over the same duration as the moon's orbital track variance.
Although the movie, 2012, is ripe with symbolic clues, apparently meant for their "initiated"....the overt message that men of all nations should be at peace at such a time, tugs at the emotions. However, the solution provided indicates which god serves the interests of those whose focus is solely on physical survival.
The underlying message of the movie is clear, those with "primitive" belief systems are "left behind" (as evidenced in 2012 movie posters which ask the question: "Will you be left behind?") Christians, most of all. Generally, we are represented as being sincere, but misguided, just not able to make it on the "Ark". Notice the inverse prophetic pilfering?
We who KNOW Who the "Ark" truly is, that being Yeshua, Jesus Christ, should....as Luke faithfully advises in my current signature scripture below, Lift up our heads, for His return, draws near.
"For The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet The Lord in the air." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 RSV)
The above sounds too good to be true to those who prefer to lean upon their own understanding. Pie in the sky, wishful, though primitive, thinking....
But was it wishful thinking that accomplished the following?
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-6.htm
Is it simply wishful thinking alone, that nurtures the fruits of which many bear witness everyday? Or God's Gracious Mercy borne in faith? The internet abounds daily with miraculous stories of vindication, healing and Glory resulting from the sincere petition to God Almighty.
The Days of Lot & Noah are here again, we are in their midst...
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/stud...daysofnoah.htm
As earthquakes increase, and the oceans become even more agitated, as earth's weather increasingly confounds and as the Heavens shake....all as long ago and lovingly foretold in God's Word....
My sincere question to the makers of 2012 and to all those who worship after a military false god, or the god called we the people (http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt1.php) is this:
Will you be "left behind", while perhaps thinking yourselves ahead?
There is yet a short measure of road remaining in which to search one's soul and petition God in humble sincerity....for His Hand upon your Life.
The Life He was pleased to give You.
Blessings, dear readers, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
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@TechStuf,
If our Earth is reeling and because of that the Moon is moving all over the sky
as it has been doing as of late,
then, should not the oceans tide ALSO be moving all over?
Groundloop.
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Absolutely! However, as the moon still traverses the sky in virtually the same direction, taking two weeks or so to complete a single cycle between northerly and southerly extremes, the effects are mitigated to some degree. Although it is playing havoc with ocean currents, and, coupled with the increase in earth's seasonal tilt combined with the wider sun track, this effects the entire earth's weather systems!
We are well into the beginning stages of these things....the massive tsunami of 2004, the tsunamis of american samoa and the solomon islands, as well as anomalous "rogue waves" of which the discovery channel did a documentary, are on the rise.
In fact, it may well have been the 2004 tsunami which started the wobble and increased seasonal tilt, which as I recall, I personally began to notice in the summer of 2007... (other more keen observers, before that). Dr. Hugh Brown may have called it quite closely in his 1967 Book on the subject. The following is an excerpt from page 144:
http://www.habtheory.com/3/thebook.htm
The careening will not occur at a 90 distance from the point of application of the force, because the energy of the rotating earth bulge, against which the energy of the centrifugal force of the off center ice cap is applied, changes its direction of motion and its geographical location as soon as the bulge starts to move.
The initial start of the careening of the globe will result from a yielding of earth materials along the bulge, near the Equator, at a 90 distance from the point of application of the force.
Once this change of location of a part of the bulge has started, the predominant force will be the ever increasing centrifugal force of the off center elements of the ice cap, which increases at a rate equal to the square of the speed of motion, and which, in turn, increases directly with the increase in distance off center, plus an increment due to the lessening pull in the opposite direction by the ice mass on the opposite side of the Pole of Spin as the ice cap moves sideways across the Pole. Thus, an enormous and rapidly increasing force is developed which carries the ice cap rapidly away from the Pole and toward the Equator.
Blessings in Yeshua
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Our Moon, according to university sources, orbits on a plane that wobbles both 5 degrees above and below the "ecliptic plane" during each lunar month.
http://www.physics.unlv.edu/~jeffery/astro/moon/diagram/moon_orbit_001.png
One may easily determine for themselves if those numbers are now extinct, by observing the moon's path across the sky intermittently over the course of a couple weeks. Do you see 5 degrees of separation? Or do you see, as increasingly, many more are beginning to see, much, much, more than this?
Now, regarding the movie, 2012
The only reason I watched the whole thing was to provide meaningful rebuttal to their pernicious attempts at misguiding the masses. TPTB absolutely count on the effectiveness of the cwhoreporate media to infect the minds of the populace, and especially our Children. The 2012 Movie took jab after jab at the Spiritual Minded Individual, especially Christians! Why? Because they KNOW what our Bible says about these things and that such description is Dead on Accurate and that the Truth will give MANY a most needed Spiritual Shot in the Arm! Our Sun, Moon and stars out of place, the increasingly agitated oceans, say:
STAND, LIFT UP YOUR HEADS, FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH!
The "entertainment industry" is rife with diabolical machinations....
If one can stomach the Truth of it, and it IS important, consider the following:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69024589298776
The fact that our Earth is in the grip of a most serious travail is of utmost importance. For there are signs everywhere, yet NOT meant for everyone, but for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
I really appreciate the efforts of those who "Actually" get out and observe these things, as opposed to staying glued to the chair at the office, or at home. These facts are very important because of what Luke and Isaiah foretold.
If you may have noted on my "earth axis" thread, I explain how one might easily determine these things for one's self, yet some of the detractors of our sincere observations, seem to prefer to blindly parrot extinct, or misleading data. I believe that perhaps this is NOT accidental, as I, the host of divulgence.net, and others who've posted information, were and are met with such 'armchair rebuttals' in the same way. This, despite the relative ease with which one might make meaningful determination of these things for one's self.
I believe that it is quite possible that this is NOT a coincidence and TPTB obviously do NOT want the general populace taking hold of the Truth. Not because lives are at stake, but because MANY would turn toward or return toward Christ Yeshua, the Immortal Enemy to Those at the "Top".
Those who are honest, usually take note of the observations of others and try and discern facts for themselves, not continally post extinct and distracting "evidence", proving their blind devotion to perhaps even blinder "lettered men".
Right now the Moon is in the southern sky, tracking low across it, observe, maybe even take pictures intermittently over the next couple weeks.....ONLY a person whose JOB it is to provide Disinformation, or a willfully nonobservant individual, will look at such information, and say that it jibes with the pre-2004 tsunami orbital models provided by universities and other organs of TPTB.
The Number One Reason that this information is SO VITALLY Important, is that it Confirms Luke 21:25-28 and Isaiah 24:20....and it Will awaken many to our Father's Holy Word and the lateness of the Hour. The LAST thing that TPTB want, is for You, I, and Others to Stand, Lift Up our Heads and instruct many, for they seem to much prefer them fearful, and hanging low over the results of the diabolical machinations of TPTB....
Make no mistake, You've EXCELLENT reason to Stand, and Lift your Heads High!
All the better to see the Arrival of our Master, returning in Power, with Great Glory!
2012 movie posters, and indeed the movie itself, declare in no uncertain terms, the statement: "We were warned".
To which I reply, YES WE WERE. And quite accurately, by The Holy Word of God, not some ancient Mayan calendar which simply and supposedly ends in the year 2012. Apparently "THEY" can shout "Tilted Earth!" in a crowded theater, but try and share the real facts with everyday people instead of only those they deem "clever" enough to "get the message" and.....well, one may draw their own conclusions.
The movie posters also ask Christians what is supposed to be a thought provoking question:
"Who will be left behind?"
To them I reply, emphatically, YAHWEH Wills for no one to be left behind...
"However, many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first." - Matthew 19:30
Blessings in Yeshua
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TechStuf:
What absolute nonsense you are posting and have been posting about this issue. The moon is not changing its orbit, and nothing will happen in 2012.
You drop a whole bunch of buzzwords and expressions in an attempt to discredit your debunkers to no avail.
Nothing is going to happen and if the moon was truly changing its orbit we would know about it. However, most people have common sense and know that it's impossible for the moon to change its orbit.
I will sound a warning about you. You are the person to watch out for, you are the the one spreading false information. There is absolutely no evidence that anything that you are saying is true and if you persist on stating this nonsense then you are a lunatic, which is 100% apropos.
Don't you go questioning my motives - it's your motives and/or mental stability that are in question.
MileHigh
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Nothing is going to happen and if the moon was truly changing its orbit we would know about it. However, most people have common sense and know that it's impossible for the moon to change its orbit.
What do you mean by "we"? You said, that "we" would know about it.
Also, by "buzzwords", did you mean words like "Ecliptic Plane" and "5 degrees"?
You mention that most people have common sense and know that it's "impossible" for the moon to change it's orbit. Now who's using "buzzwords"? In my experience, most people regularly defy common sense, and nothing is impossible!
The information I posted, demonstrates that it is easy for those wishing to exercise their observational skills to determine that the moon's apparent orbital track is WAY outside of the 5 degree figure mentioned on University websites, not to mention, in science textbooks going way back. As for your assertion that I implied that anything was going to happen in conjunction with the year "2012" as highlighted in the movie, 2012, I never said anything of the kind. You talk of my nonsense yet you demonstrate that you cannot be trusted to even regurgitate what you read with any reliable degree of accuracy!
"Milehigh", I won't question your motivations, but your critical thinking and observational skills are, in my view, questionable indeed.
Blessings in Yeshua
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The Moon like the Earth and any other planet has an orbit procession that will, has and always will remain in balance with its host. It didn't wake up last Sunday and decide to go to Mars. No orbit ellipse is perfect, no planets rotation remains constant. Everything is in flux and the moon rising 2 degrees off from "normal" (<- you should define this, then you might have a clue) is nothing to go tripping out about and certainly not worth Bible thumping excuses or 2012 hogwash that the world is going to end.
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Everything is in flux and the moon rising 2 degrees off from "normal" (<- you should define this, then you might have a clue) is nothing to go tripping out about and certainly not worth Bible thumping excuses or 2012 hogwash that the world is going to end.
You are absolutely right! (about one thing)
The mayan 2012 calendar prophecy is hogwash.
As for your figure of 2 degrees off from normal for moon rise....anyone willing and capable of observing moonrise intermittently over the course of two weeks can take you to task over the anemic figure you posted.
As for "tripping out" as you say....
I respond that discovery and sharing of the Truth will always give some a reason to "trip out", while others are given a solid reason to take heart and work for the betterment of their fellow human beings.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm
Blessings in Yeshua
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The Inuit of the far north, virtually unanimously agree that earth's seasonal tilt has changed considerably. The following article (with video) details some of their observations.
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything
Many Inuit still live the way of their ancestors, their knowledge of the position of Sun, Moon and stars is a basic requirement to their way of life.
Blessings in Christ Yeshua