@mr bogangles
Hi,I have been looking at your setup,ingenious,but IF I understand it right,there will be lenz drag,but it is apposed by the weights,which would tend to be pushed out one side and pulled in the other,so unbalacing the wheel and making it harder for the prime mover.
If I have it wrong,let me know and I will look again.
peter

The counter torque will be on the disc.  The disc will remain upright due to the weight (in a perfect system), but the magnet will still be able to rotate relative to the disc at the same rate or rpm without the lenz drag. 

Think of it as a disc on an axle with a bearing. As you hold the disc stationary, the axle will be rotating but the disc is not.  The only drag on the axle from you holding the disc is the friction from the bearings itself, which is extremely less than the counter torque from you holding the disc.  No matter how you torque the disc, the rotation of the axle won't be opposed by the torque on the disc.  It really is an ingenious setup.

GB

Hi Gravityblock
Looking again,you said counter torque will be on the disk,will that not try to rotate the disk,all be it slightly,and put the whole thing out of balance?
peter

well, i thought of something

this is the first thing i could think of, and i made a model really quick because i thought it might be easier than drawing it

basically instead of a counterweight, there is an unfixed axle at the bottom of the disc

looking at my pictures, the black shaded circle represents the magnet, the wood ruler (backwards, explaining the blank side), and the small white gear is the disc

the smaller white gear is used so we can see the magnet behind it easier

then i took a coat hanger and cut it to length, bent it at the end, and put it through a corresponding sized hole so it would be loose enough to spin on the disc

im sure you can see how it works, the rod (coat hanger wire) is limited by its movement, keeping the disc nearly upright while it rotates, but not dramatically

i only used one disc for demonstration purposes and quickness

the big orange thing is just a spacer, the white circle at the bottom is used to keep the coat hanger wire in place, and allows it to slide through

now this could be done with a fixed pole on an axle (to replace the white slip circle at the bottom)

it would better if the slip were on the disc, and a counterweight could be used underneath the axle on the pole so we wouldn't have to account for the weight


ok so it obviously doesn't keep it completely vertical, but it should allow for higher rmp's

il add drawings later as to what i was referring to, in how to make it more efficient, i just spent an hour making that contraption and i need a change of scenery

@gravityblock, let me know what you think of this and if you've thought of anything else either

I was thinking of something that may first prove if any homo-polar generator works in the manner that everyone believes and that it is in fact possible to achieve any OU effects.

This is a concept that should prove the theory or show otherwise.

The Homo-polar HHO generator!
 
 

the whole point of this is the fact that this is lenz-less rotation

if you took any generator and could cancel out counter torque, almost every time it would become a PMM

the faster this mechanism is spun, the less energy it will take to maintain speed due to the flywheel effect

every revolution still translates to 360 degrees of rotation of the magnet compared to the stator

and it adds 360 degrees for every extra disc/magnet we add, which can be balanced out

the bottom line being, this is lenz-less rotation

no matter how strong, fast, heavy, how many, or how much electricity the magnets induce, it takes the exact same amount of energy every time to spin this machine, and because it is balanced, all we have to account for is the friction of the main axle itself, momentum will render the weight nearly invisible, and all we are left with is, well, free energy without any back torque what-so-ever

@lumen

i like the idea, i would be worried about counter torque because they are free to move and we would be directly spinning them from the axle, and might fight the rotation of the gears (meaning we have to account for lenz law)

ironically my device would not use any gears, when i built the concept model i used gears because they were perfect circles and already had holes in the middle, and i already had axles that fit them.

@winsonali

this machine doesn't have to be an HPG, and most likely won't be, but i appreciate your input on HPG's in general

I was thinking of something that may first prove if any homo-polar generator works in the manner that everyone believes and that it is in fact possible to achieve any OU effects.

This is a concept that should prove the theory or show otherwise.

The Homo-polar HHO generator!
 
 

The Homo-polar HHO generator will create an electric field only without a current.  The external circuit in a HPG has an electric field also that is opposite in direction or polarity to the disc.  This allows current to flow.

When you're dealing with more than one disc and more than one magnet, then the electric fields of the discs can be arranged where they are opposite in direction or polarity to allow current to flow without having relative motion between the disc or external circuit (This is the key point that everyone misses with the HPG).  It also has the affects of connecting the discs in series, which will increase the voltage.

I reversed the roles of the magnet and discs.  In the original setup, there was relative motion between the disc and magnet, but no relative motion between the disc and the magnetic field, thus the disc won't cut the field.  The discs will now rotate, while the magnets remain stationary relative to the discs and the discs will cut through the magnetic field.

Here's a drawing on how to keep the magnets upright without the weights.   

A) Axle  B) Discs  C) Slip ring  D) Wall  E) Frame  F) Anchored to Wall for illustration purposes only.

When you're dealing with more than one disc and more than one magnet, then the electric fields of the discs can be arranged where they are opposite in direction or polarity to allow current to flow without having relative motion between the disc or external circuit.

Yes, but actually that cannot be done because in order to NOT have an external circuit, it must also rotate with the disk.
If it rotates with the disk, then it cannot cut any lines of force that the disk cut or it will cancel the current generated in the disk.

Think of the device with the salt water , would it work if there were fins inside that held the water still while the rest rotated? Yes! because the water would now be the external conductor.

Would it work if the just the water rotated? Yes, because the disk is now the external conductor.