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Title: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 03, 2009, 03:40:48 AM
Hello friends,

I've pondered the upside down phenomena exhibited by the first TPU  (FTPU) posted by Steven Mark, for quite some time.   Today as I was playing with my coils I realized that I have possibly stumbled on the phenomena.   

As you may recall,  the phenomena involves turning the TPU up-side-down and observing that it stops producing electricity.  In the video I don't actually have the coils tied together but you can see clearly that the order of the coils is important.

Electricity wires tend to pass through my wall a bit higher, perhaps in the attic and this might shed some light on the directionality.

Here's the link to my video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMq657dgYT4

and here is a closeup of my resonant coils.

EM

P.S.  I hope none of you fault me for pursuing resonant magnetic fields.  All I have to do now is perfect my TPUs and add the all important OUTPUT STAGE.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: poynt99 on November 03, 2009, 04:26:43 AM
That's pretty cool EM.

How do you tune those coils to 60Hz with such a small inductance and capacitance?

Does it only work in one location in your house?

.99
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 03, 2009, 04:35:08 AM
@poynt99

they are not tuned to 60 Hz, more like 25 kHz or so (haven't measured it in a while).  Like I mentioned in my previous postings of this nature, this high frequency energy is present on the house electricity wires, so it's not only 60 Hz that flows on those wires.

It works in many locations in my house, to varying degrees.

EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: poynt99 on November 03, 2009, 04:58:30 AM
If you were to fix those two coils together at a relative position that gives a good intensity, what would happen if you moved around the room with it?

Seems to me that SM could move anywhere and with any orientation (later models).

Assuming those two coils are both tuned to the same frequency, it seems as though one acts as a kind of Fresnel lens focusing the EM energy into the other.

Is this 25khz one of the stronger harmonics there, or was this just a random choice of frequency?

.99
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 03, 2009, 05:40:05 AM
The 25 kHz or so frequency is by no means arbitrary, I found it using my oscilloscope a while ago.  That's why I encourage people to determine a magnetic frequency first, and then work on tuning into it, just like SM said, but it seems to fall on death ears. Don't assume my frequency will be the same as your, it may or may not. 

I will try and tie those coils together so I have a stable unit I can use, or maybe I'll build another TPU with two coils on it.  Moving around the house I loose the signal, I really have to be close to the walls where there is wiring or lighting outlets, etc..  I have managed to improve the distance by using a resistor in series with the diode, but there are other arrangements I'm dying to try soon.  Judging from the diodes and the electrolytic capacitors seen in SM's large TPU, I want to use the same to charge up a capacitor and then I can use that energy with my classic inverters/blocking oscillators I've built in the past.  I think I should be able to power up a decent 40 watt or 60 watt light bulb in the near future.  (if you remember my first video, I was about 1 foot away from the wall, now I can be about 3 feet away)

The Fresnel lens is a good concept. The coil on top is the one that's not loaded so it vibrates more freely, so it can gather the energy a bit better and focus it close to my bottom coil, which is loaded.  By the way, the resistor is about 40 ohms, so it's loaded pretty good relative to the high impedance of a parallel resonant tank.

I just wish I had more time, now I'm back to work for the rest of the week. We'll see how I feel next weekend, I might start building something more complex...

EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 03, 2009, 11:21:12 AM
@EM

So you see there can be a bit of difference between magnetic and electro-magnetic resonance when dealing with LF and below?
25k? Yes but I always see more around 35k. It probably does vary.

I'm not saying I agree with the utility source concept. Rather, utility or nearby wiring could be an unexpected/unwilling transport mechanism.

Are you near any LF time signal sources?
WWVB, perhaps?

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: wattsup on November 03, 2009, 01:38:29 PM
@EM

I guess you tried that in all the possible combinations.

Big loop clockwise, small loop clockwise.
Big loop clockwise, small loop counter-clockwise.
Big loop counter-clockwise, small loop clockwise.
Big loop counter-clockwise, small loop counter-clockwise.

Then tried these again with the big loop under the small loop, etc., so see all the possible mixes.

Now consider the FTPU has a center toroid. If that toroid could work the same way as your small loop, then the toroid core could start moving that power around and around to amplify the output.

Then the next step could be to pass one side of the big top loop through the toroid center to a big bottom loop, then from there back through the toroid center to the big top loop again, making two big loops (top and bottom) connected together through the center of the toroid.

I have always wondered why the FTPU toroid had two different wire pairs (two thin blacks and two thicker white wires) and curiously, the right side white wires look very similar to the loop wires. The black wires could be the toroid output in bucking mode and the white wires could be simply part of the outer loops.

This way, the big loops energize the toroid, increase in the toroid core, the toroid center then gives more directionality to the big loop wires going through the toroid center to increase the big loops tension, that then increases the center toroid again and again, working with gain. Hmmmmmmm. I like it.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Grumpy on November 03, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
@poynt99

they are not tuned to 60 Hz, more like 25 kHz or so (haven't measured it in a while).  Like I mentioned in my previous postings of this nature, this high frequency energy is present on the house electricity wires, so it's not only 60 Hz that flows on those wires.

It works in many locations in my house, to varying degrees.

EM

25khz is used in flicker-free fluorescent lights (electronic ballasts)

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on November 03, 2009, 07:36:55 PM
@EM,
Nice video! Since this is relatively easy to demo then for the sceptics in us tape wooden sticks to each coil and lift the coils using theses wooden isolators. I just got done attaching iron loops to magnets and when touching this the peak to peak goes from 10mv to 200mv but only in certain positions of my handling.

--gk.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on November 03, 2009, 07:40:29 PM
@wattsup,
I see what you are saying here and thought about this new configuration looking like the core in this picture.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8227.0;attach=38631 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8227.0;attach=38631)

@EM

I guess you tried that in all the possible combinations.

Big loop clockwise, small loop clockwise.
Big loop clockwise, small loop counter-clockwise.
Big loop counter-clockwise, small loop clockwise.
Big loop counter-clockwise, small loop counter-clockwise.

Then tried these again with the big loop under the small loop, etc., so see all the possible mixes.

Now consider the FTPU has a center toroid. If that toroid could work the same way as your small loop, then the toroid core could start moving that power around and around to amplify the output.

Then the next step could be to pass one side of the big top loop through the toroid center to a big bottom loop, then from there back through the toroid center to the big top loop again, making two big loops (top and bottom) connected together through the center of the toroid.

I have always wondered why the FTPU toroid had two different wire pairs (two thin blacks and two thicker white wires) and curiously, the right side white wires look very similar to the loop wires. The black wires could be the toroid output in bucking mode and the white wires could be simply part of the outer loops.

This way, the big loops energize the toroid, increase in the toroid core, the toroid center then gives more directionality to the big loop wires going through the toroid center to increase the big loops tension, that then increases the center toroid again and again, working with gain. Hmmmmmmm. I like it.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: SPP-48 on November 04, 2009, 04:50:04 PM
Thats pretty cool EM.
You could be onto something for remote trickle charging of cell phones or laptop computers within buildings.
Do you think it would still work if it was small and compact.

Sam
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on November 04, 2009, 08:46:32 PM
The picture depicts the field actuation of the larger  Hi 'Q' resonant loop. The wave fluctuates between the green circle which is the half wave point which shows the field line outside the inner coil and the red circle, which is the quarter wave length. The outer loop field crosses into the inner coil exciting by inductance the inner coil thereby lighting the LED.

If you want the inner loop to light the LED below the outer loop you must flip the inner loop over or put an LED in parallel with the existing one but in reverse. You can then watch both LEDs flip-flop states as the inner coil is passed through the level horizontal plane into each sides induction point.

Because of resonance the outer loop field never diminshes to zero which explains why the LED doesn't light when at the level position.

--gk.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: stprue on November 05, 2009, 12:14:15 AM
@ EM

Very cook video...a little dark though but I guess you can see the led better that way anyway.  I have a question...Will the LED light if you are not holding the smaller coil?  It looks way to bright to be skin effect but I'm curious???  Also could you supply us with the types of wire and caps?

Thanks...Stew
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 05, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
GREAT WORK EM!

I  hope it is still not a phenomena

lol

awesome coils..!

ist
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: stprue on November 08, 2009, 07:34:52 PM
@EMD

Ok here is mine...Now what can I do to make it work?

 ???
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 08, 2009, 08:46:50 PM
very nice build , stprue,

Did you identify a magnetic frequency first?   Probably not.

EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: stprue on November 08, 2009, 08:54:04 PM
very nice build , stprue,

Did you identify a magnetic frequency first?   Probably not.

EM

No I did not, I'm not sure how to???  Can you help me so I can better understand and contribute more to TPU research?????????
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 08, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Ok, stprue, I'll help you, but if you don't have the equipment I can't help.

A magnetic frequency is detected with a loop of wire hooked up to some amplifier to oscilloscope or frequency spectrum analyser.    As the magnetic frequency oscillates it induces a voltage in your coil proportional to a number of variables such as: frequency, intensity, number of turns of wire, etc..

so if the magnetic field is  B = b * sin (2*pi*f*t)
then induced voltage "V" in a coild of N turns and area A is equal to:
V = N * d phi/dt = b*A*N*2*pi*f*cos(2*pi*f*t) 

Now this voltage can be very small, say 1 mV, but we can boost up this voltage with a resonant coil, by placing a capacitor across it's leads.  If the capacitor is high quality low ESR (equivalent series resistance) then we can have a high Q tank circuit.  this high Q will multiply the voltage as follows:

V_m = V * Q,

that's it, very simple.  So with a typical Q of around 40 to 100, you can turn 10 mV into 1 volt perhaps.

so borrow an oscilloscope or spectrum analyser and go hunting for frequencies and their source, check wiring as that will capture and conduct some of these signals.

then build coils tuned to those frequencies.

EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: stprue on November 08, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
Thank you EM I am saving for the Oscope but it will take a while!  How close are you to perfecting your design? Anyways your video was very well done, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: krosskin on November 09, 2009, 08:28:37 AM
EMdevices
Give please guide how to assemble the device.
I want to repeat it. Please forgive me - I really do not know much English so the translation of electronic.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 09, 2009, 09:22:54 AM
I'm discovering such interesting interactions, I've placed LEDs on my previous two coils and built another one today.  Also, I found a spot where all of my 3 new resonant coils live happily next to each other.   If you notice, I placed a diode and capacitor on the large coil and I get a voltage of about 2.5 V DC, which is not bad at all.  I believe I can charge a cell phone with that.
The pancake coil I built on the base of a CD case, works very good almost better then the larger diameter one, because it's tuned a bit better and because perhaps it's a pancake coil, who knows.  The coils seem to de-tune and re-tune each other as I move them above one another, and also there seems to be nulling and then enhancing of the resonance.  This is an area that needs more exploration.  (Note:  the large coil has one turn bent up because I found out I can fine tune it that way.)

P.S.  You know what I thought of,  what if I can enhance the power by using regeneration like in the old AM radios.  Actually use a small 9 V battery and drive a coil at the same frequency and phase, hmmm?  I got to try it....
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: krosskin on November 09, 2009, 10:42:34 AM
You know I'm a beginner not only at the forum, but in the "electronics" and except for a crystal set collected in this school, I no longer worked. I just recently learned about the possible existence of free energy. And I want to collect what a very simple device for generating this "electricity from nothing" in order to make sure that it exists. So please please instruct beginner - how many turns of wire? a capacitor? and so forth. I say thank you in advance. Again sorry for my terrible English.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: wattsup on November 09, 2009, 02:48:09 PM
@EM

Saved this just for you. Read the bottom paragraph under the title "What are Induction Loops?".

http://radionics.rs-online.com/mobile/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=4661615

A loop can be many things in a home. All the electrical AC wiring is a loop and all our devices are inside that loop. All the outside electrical lines can also be loops. A TPU itself is comprised of loops with components inside the loop. Just think of the ramifications of mutual loop induction, receiver, muffled audio feedback making pure signals to amplify the original loop signal. Could that work with gain?

Also remember when I posted some picture of the under side of the FTPU center comparing that component it to a microphone coil.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 09, 2009, 02:53:59 PM
VERRY NICE EM!

 ;D

INFACT ...  PROBALLY BEST ON THIS ENTIRE SITE ....  :)

PLEASE DO SHARE MORE OF YOUR WORK ..

WILLIAM!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Yucca on November 09, 2009, 03:40:58 PM
Hi EM,

Nice experiment, you sure you've not got a sig gen out of shot into a large diameter tuned loop lol! (only joking)

I've been thinking about your regen ideas, very interesting!

To achieve a  regen coil that swings in frequency and phase lock with the radiation source will be impossible if you try to tune a standalone oscillator as an exciter, even if you build an expensive DDS oscillator, the phase will drift.

I think the easiest and best scheme would be to have your regen coil (tuned to the active freq) as an active part of an oscillator circuit. Similar to a JT in operation. But you could derive your base signal to turn off the transistor from a voltage or current sensing coil around the regen coil. Then your regen coil is built so that all wraps pass through the sense coil centre, a pot divider tunes the base signal for the transistor to operate in good oscillation. Now provided the oscillator is tuned fairly close to your source freq it will mantain lockstep and be nicely phase locked.

To make a voltage sense coil just place a high turn magwire coil around the top regen coil wraps (like the small coil on the FTPU top loop)

To make a current sense coil make a Rogowski coil by putting say 50 wraps of thin mag wire on a small toroid and have all your regen wraps pass through toroid centre.

Perhaps voltage sense coil is better than current sense, in a resonant LC the V and I are 90deg out of phase so maybe a current sense coil would need a non inductive delay element to bring into correct phase. If you are tapping into fields far away then it is likely you will be mainly in the voltage aspects (far field). If you are tapping fields close by (inductive coupling) then you are in current aspects (near field).

These are just ideas I've had after you mentioned regen.

Yucca.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on November 09, 2009, 08:04:47 PM
Well, well, well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xF1Fq2wB1I&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xF1Fq2wB1I&feature=channel)

--gk.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: tsl on November 09, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
i have to read a bunch of new pots but anyway nice work EM.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Nikola Tesla on November 10, 2009, 05:41:18 PM
Hi EmDevices

Did you Measure the actual frequency of the LED?

What happens when you place a piece of metal above or below??
Dont you think the second coil just alters the inductance from the first, thus changing the resonant frequency, detuning the entire setup?

Also is there any hi current devices on you home lines when this happens?? (washing machine, electric stove etc. that makes the wires in the wall carry current).

Or is it just happening without current in the wires at all?

These are good things to eaxamine!!
Kepp it up man.

NT.

Ps:
Make sure this won't be the next Magniworks rip off, place your tag on the video's as we all should to prevent these problems...
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 11, 2009, 07:47:05 AM
Hi EM,
nice effects.

Did you try it already outside outdoors ?

Doesit really depend on your room electrical wiring ?

Does it come from your ceiling this magnetic field ?

Why does the big coil need to be placed above the small output coil ?

Is that really some kind of lens effect or could it be interpreted also
differently ?
Maybe you tune both coils via the distance somehow
like a losely coupled transformer and thus increase or decrease
the resonance frequency of the output LED coil ?

But why doesn´t it work when the big coil is under the output coil
at the same distance then ?

Hmm..strange..

By the way, how did you design the coils ?

Did you calculate the resonance frequency  of the LC tank
with the fixed cap you have and then winded so many turns
to get it to 25 Khz resonance ?
So how did you know, how many windings of your coils you
had to wind to fit to your 25 Khz resonance ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 11, 2009, 08:00:31 AM
@Stefan,
outside , far from wiring it does not work ! Yes it depends on wiring, I explained that in my previous videos.
Big coil on top is perhaps a lensing effect, yes you're right.
I'm beginning to think the coil proximity is a combination of tuning and lensing.

Design Steps:
1) find a magnetic frequency.
2) find some low ESR capacitors in the tool box and shoot for a ratio of 4 to 1, inductance to capacitance, or bigger, perhaps. (some people suggest inductance =6 * capacitance)
3) once I know the capacitance, it's time to design the coil for a particular inductance.  I use equations to get approximations. 

For example, a circular loop has the following inductance:

L = N^2 * R * y *[ln(8 R/a) - 2],
where,
  N = turns,
  R = radius (m)
  a = wire diameter (m)
  y = permeability
So I plug in the inductance I need to get the frequency I want, f = 1/(2pi sqrt(LC) ),  then I solve for N, knowing the Radius and wire diameter I plan on using, and of course, the permeability of free space, if that is the case.   

4) then I try and fine tune by reducing the wire (so it's good to try and overshoot a bit on the inductance and then scale back by trimming the wire.


Hope that answers your questions,

EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: tsl on November 11, 2009, 09:37:26 AM
@EM
"1. find a magnetic frequency."

How do you do that? Based on what?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 11, 2009, 12:05:48 PM
Hmm,
so finding the magnetic frequency is involving a spectrum analyzer first
or can you find this on a scope via ripples frequencies on your 50/60 Hz lines
and zoom in with your scope and measure the frequency ?

2. How do you trim the coil wire to resonance,
when you alreay have wounded the coil ?

Does this trick with pulling one wire of the coil  up solve the problem ?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 11, 2009, 12:09:04 PM
So basically this is not free energy, as you extract the energy
from the radiating grid lines...
Hmm, what about tuning to 60 Hz  ?

Couldn´t this be done too with bigger sized coils and caps ?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 11, 2009, 03:39:20 PM
well now ...  ;D

why not tune to 7.8 and put the magnet in the correct place ...  seperated by air gap and a steel plate and turn the flux off and on .. or maybe let the coil do it 4 u  ;D

or tune to 7.8 grab 1 volt and step it up ...

much like coil 202 i scrached my head on for soooo damm long ...

ist!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: wattsup on November 11, 2009, 03:39:22 PM
@EM

I made another ring but again nothing and your directions are a little confusing for me to follow.

I would like to know if the ring wire in a single strand or multi-strand.

Maybe for your biggest loop, is it possible to give the complete build spec, ring wire type, awg, length, LED value, cap value. This may be simpler then for others to replicate.

Maybe one last question or request if I may. Can you do the same calculation with a ring that is only 2 1/4 turns like in the FTPU. lol

If the frequency is relative to the ring diameter as SM says, then maybe your calculation method has some relevance to this.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 11, 2009, 03:53:23 PM
@EM

I made another ring but again nothing and your directions are a little confusing for me to follow.

I would like to know if the ring wire in a single strand or multi-strand.

Maybe for your biggest loop, is it possible to give the complete build spec, ring wire type, awg, length, LED value, cap value. This may be simpler then for others to replicate.

Maybe one last question or request if I may. Can you do the same calculation with a ring that is only 2 1/4 turns like in the FTPU. lol

If the frequency is relative to the ring diameter as SM says, then maybe your calculation method has some relevance to this.

2.25 turns ... now that is damm funny you say that ....

and ill tell you why...

i was working on my advanced ring design yesterday...  im useing 24 fireing coils

2 phases of 12 ... 1 phase  fire at 12 at a  time  .. phase 2 12 fire rappid seccussion .. overlap ..

phase 1 is chugg along mode ... phase 2 is load mode ...

ok when it comes to winding this unit this is where your 2.25 fits my design ...

because of the core i choose i have 5 turn primary ... i chose to rotate the 12 by 5 .. so as it cork screws about my core to induce massive TWIST

AND BY FLUKE YOU MENTION 2.25... LOOPS AROUND THE LOOP ... YOU DO THE MATH ... 12 /5

IST!

INTRESTING THATS ALL  ;D

BTW THERE IS ACTUALLY 24 2.25 LOOPS THERE BOUTS AROUND THIS CORE THIS IS MY MOTOR ...

MY CONTROLLER  DECIDES AS HOW AND WHAT IT DOES ... BUT THE WAY I CHOSE TO WIND IT .. DETURMANS TO A DEGREE THE DIRRECTION OF SPINN ...  AND POLARITY .. 

THE OUT PUT IS IRRELVENT  AT THIS TIME ...

IST!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Yucca on November 11, 2009, 04:34:19 PM
@EM
"1. find a magnetic frequency."

How do you do that? Based on what?

This is a good question. If I attach a wire antenna or coil to my oscilloscope the yes I will see the strongest signal. But the main contributing frequency will depend on the coil or wire length that I attach to my scope.

A spectrum analyser with a callibrated antenna probe would reveal the strongest peak. But using a scope I would like to know the method you employ, because I dont have a speccy analyser.

perhaps you tried many different antenna lengths and found the highest p2p voltage?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 11, 2009, 04:45:02 PM
maybe this will help ... ali was over to see me last week i have an old marconi tube am radio ... 1930 sometimes...  i may have to take a picture ...

anyhow it is ripped apart on my table ... ALI sees it ... right away she says daddy... that is special ...

she held in her hand the LOOP ANTENNA..

wich is oval ...  pancake style ... 

i said dont i know ALI ...  that is why i have it of course ...

1 end is open .....

ist!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 11, 2009, 07:00:02 PM
Hi Stefan,

I agree with you, I would not call this free energy, even though it appears to be freely available.  I personally I'm not that excited about it because I have an idea of the source and it's limitations, that's why I did not try to make any claims or go for the prize.     

Tuning to 60 Hz would not be too terribly hard either, just more wire and bigger caps, but I'm convinced by my research and investigations that SM was not tuned into 60 Hz but into one of the higher frequency PLH (Power Line Harmonics) radiating from the high voltage lines behind his house, as I posted in the other threads and showed in my video taken at his house.

EM

P.S.  @wattsup,  multistrand wire has lower resistance/length at high frequency due to skin effect.
@Yucca,  you did not see my previous setups, ...you need some amplification with a current probe otherwise you won't see much on an ordinary oscilloscope.
@tsl, read my previous postings, I answered that question.

So basically this is not free energy, as you extract the energy
from the radiating grid lines...
Hmm, what about tuning to 60 Hz  ?

Couldn´t this be done too with bigger sized coils and caps ?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 11, 2009, 11:24:02 PM
Hmm,
I believe you might have stumbled onto something
that Jason Owens is working on.

He told me recently that the radiation from the stars
and sun is compressing and releasing the earth magnet field a bit
at high frequencies
and that these frequency variations "attach" to magnetic field lines,
when I have understood it right... ( We spoke on a bad Skype connection only,
when I was still tired..)

But he wanted soon to present a new paper about it and is working
on a few experiments and circuit diagramms, everybody can do and verify that these
effects exist..

Maybe you just stumbled upon these effects somehow
and have already worked out the right circuits ?

Well, can you now also have just the big large coil
lighting up an LED without the other 2 coils present ?

Or does it only work, if all the 3 coils lay besides each other ?

Is the 25 Khz you spoke about the largest spike on a spectrum analyzer
or are there also other peaks at other frequencies ?

Are the other frequencies larger in Energy amplitude or lower ?

What frequency has the biggest amplitude ?
Does the frequency vary much over time or is it constant ?

Maybe is there a mobile phone broadcast transmitter on your roof or
in the neighbourhood or a WLAN DSL router  ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 11, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
EM  AN IDEA IM SURE YOU HAVE THOUGHT OF ALREADY .... LOL

HOW ABOUT WE SAY YOUR RING BORROWS SOME ENGERY VIA A RESONANT TUNED WIRELESS LINK .. SOME HOW ...  WHATEVER BE THE SOURCE ..

NOW YOU CAN LIGHT AN LED .. AND I SAW YOU PUT A DIODE AND A CAP THERE ... AND I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAVE A DC FEED ..  FROM THERE YOU WERE ABLE TO MESURE ..  SO WHY NOT SPIN IT ...

TAKE THAT SMALL TINY AMOUNT OF REVCIEVED ENGERY .. AND ACCELLERATE IT  ... SM'S WORDS" EVEN A VERRY WEEK  MAGNETIC FEILD  SPUN EXTREAMLY FAST ...  "

IST
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 12, 2009, 03:23:29 AM
HAAHAHAHAHAHAH STEVEN MARK THE CON MAN!!!!
IT'S A DANM GOOD FAKE THAT'S FO SURE  ;D ;D ;D

I TOLD YOU SO AND THANKS EM DEVICES.

THIS IS WHERE THE DREAM ENDS PEOPLE  ;D ;D
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 12, 2009, 03:25:57 AM
Hi Marco,
what exactly do you mean by this ?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 12, 2009, 03:33:23 AM
YEP WHERE THE DREAM ENDS AND REALITY BEGINS .....  8)

I THINK MARCO WOKE UP IN VEGUS ...

AND DAMM WELL ERNED ... 

 MARCO IS 1 OF THE BEST BUILDERS I HAVE SEEN ROUND THEASE PARTS ...

PEACE!

IST!!

GLAD YOUR ROUND BRO FOR THE FINAL GO ROUND ...  :)
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 12, 2009, 05:28:53 AM
Hi Marco,
what exactly do you mean by this ?

PLH POWER LINE HARMONICS

Steven Mark even goes as far as saying "THE POWER COMES FROM A VERRY RELIABLE SOURCE, WE USE IT EVERY DAY" !!!

The slipperyglibberishtongue speaker.

Hahaha  ;D

Stefan you said it yourself, THIS IS NOT FREE ENERGY.

CASE CLOSED!

IST YOUR THE BOMB MAN !!! ;D ;D H^5  8)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Wrap a coil, hook it to your Ipaq pocket pc , Install the Virtins Spectrum analyzer http://www.virtins.com/page2.html#Pocket%20Spectrum%20Analyzer (http://www.virtins.com/page2.html#Pocket%20Spectrum%20Analyzer) And take a walk around a power line....
Lo and Behold.....Don't get too close or you will fry it!!! or yourself!!!

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: kooler on November 12, 2009, 06:05:10 AM
ah...
when i first got my hand held scope the first thing i shot was my metal roof on my shop
it always put out 6-29 volts depends on rain or shine....
so i got my scope ..right
i shot it and it read in the mhz and then it would popup 60hz then back to like 90-100 mhz
so i drop trying to catch the volts cuz i knew i was getting radio and power line induction...
kool

and ist's really is the bomb..
cuz of him i have a.d.d.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: bolt on November 12, 2009, 06:44:02 AM
I'm convinced by my research and investigations that SM was not tuned into 60 Hz but into one of the higher frequency PLH (Power Line Harmonics) radiating from the high voltage lines behind his house, as I posted in the other threads and showed in my video taken at his house.


EM what a sad day for the future of mankind and what a waste of YOUR time over years to conclude the TPU picks up power line harmonics!

Did you really not learn anything from the well over 100 patented RE OU devices that access to ambient energy only requires RF skills? They may have sweet talked it up to make it glamorous and prohibitively expensive and call it things like Zero Point, Energy from the Vacuum, Ether, maybe even swamp gas but from Tesla to Bedeni  they are all accessing the same source only some do it much better then others.

RE is tapped using RF skills and understanding the extraction process.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: kmarinas86 on November 12, 2009, 10:24:34 AM
EM what a sad day for the future of mankind and what a waste of YOUR time over years to conclude the TPU picks up power line harmonics!

Did you really not learn anything from the well over 100 patented RE OU devices that access to ambient energy only requires RF skills? They may have sweet talked it up to make it glamorous and prohibitively expensive and call it things like Zero Point, Energy from the Vacuum, Ether, maybe even swamp gas but from Tesla to Bedeni  they are all accessing the same source only some do it much better then others.

RE is tapped using RF skills and understanding the extraction process.

If one can get "free energy" from infrared, one need not worry about whether their "free energy" comes from radio harmonics in power lines.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 12, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
PLH POWER LINE HARMONICS

Steven Mark even goes as far as saying "THE POWER COMES FROM A VERRY RELIABLE SOURCE, WE USE IT EVERY DAY" !!!

The slipperyglibberishtongue speaker.

Hahaha  ;D


Stefan you said it yourself, THIS IS NOT FREE ENERGY.

CASE CLOSED!

IST YOUR THE BOMB MAN !!! ;D ;D H^5  8)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Wrap a coil, hook it to your Ipaq pocket pc , Install the Virtins Spectrum analyzer http://www.virtins.com/page2.html#Pocket%20Spectrum%20Analyzer (http://www.virtins.com/page2.html#Pocket%20Spectrum%20Analyzer) And take a walk around a power line....
Lo and Behold.....Don't get too close or you will fry it!!! or yourself!!!

LOL MARCO ... I HAD A GOOD LAUGH!  AND WELL OVER DUE I MAY ADD..

AND SPEEKING OF A D D  KOOLER .... DUDE I LAUGHED SO HARD WHEN I READ THOSE COMMENTS  ;D ;D ;D

GOOD DAY ALL ?  ;)

IST! ;D

JUST CUZ I DO COME UP WITH HONESTLY WAY TOO MANY IDEAS... HERE IS ANOTHER ... LOL

TO IMPROVE THE OUTPUT OF 1 PULSE..  THIS TOUCHES ON BASIC TUNEING .. I WAS PLAYING AROUND  OOO A LONG TIME AGO .. WITH MY 6 FREQ MAC SWITCHER UNIT ... BASICALLY 6 REALYS DRIVEN BY IRF840 AND 555 TIMMERS ON A POT ...   ALL COMPLEATLY SHEILDED AND IDENPENDENT OF 1 ANOTHER .. 2 THINGS I NOTICE HERE OF IMPORTANCE IN THIS SIMPLE TEST ...

1 I BLOW THE SHIT OUT OF A FET ... IM ONLY TESTING THE SWITCHES USEING THE RELAY COILS ... I DID NOT RUN THE HIGH VOLT SIDE OF THINGS .. YET I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SEMI SAFE ...  B4 I CONDUCTED ANY LARGE EXPAIRMENTS... OK

I WAS PLAYING WITH IT ... AND IM NOT SURE WHAT I TUNED INTO ... BUT IT WAS DOING THE COSMIC DANCE .. AND BOOM!! THE ROOM SMELLS LIKE BURNT FET... LOL  IM USEING A TINY 12VDC GEL BATTERY SHOWEN IN SOME OF MY VIDEOS... ANY HOW  ALL DRIVEING CURCUITS HAVE BUILTI N RECOVERY AND PERTECTION ON THE FETS ... SO AS NOT TO BLOW THEM ... HUMMM

WELL IT STILL BLEW .. SO WHAT ... NO BIG DEAL .. THE REASON THIS TOOK PLACE ...

IS ... ITS NO LONGER FLATLAND!  ALL FEEDS CAME FROM 1 SOURCE ...  AND THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THIS IS ... WHEN I WENT TO OSBSERVE THIS EFFECT ... IT STOPPED!   WHAT ?  I TAKE MY METER AWAY TURN IT ON AGIN ... IT DANCES ... I APPLY MY METER FOR A READING IT STOPS ..... ITS LIKE .... IT KNOWS ITS BEING WATCHED... ;) :D

LOL  HUMMMMM

VERRY QUANTUM ...   LOL

ANY HOW AFTER THAT COOL SHIT ...  I FOUND A LARGE CAP PUT IT B4 THE RELAY ... I PULSE THE RELAY .... NOW I GET A BOUNCING BALL EFFECT ... EVERY TIME I PULSE 1 PULSE TO THIS RELAY THE RELAY HAMMERS .... LIKE 20 CONTACTS .....  ;)

HAVE FUN BOYS ... I HOPE WE GET SOME MORE GIRLS ROUND THEASE PARTS ... I HEAR THERE ON THERE WAY  ;D ;)

IS!

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 12, 2009, 04:02:48 PM
@EM

Your regeneration idea:

Regeneration is usually converting the received signal from high volt/low current to low volt/higher current and feeding it back to the tank circuit to increase the Q at that frequency. You can also inject another source signal, at the frequency you want to receive, into the tank to do the same thing but phase relationships are more complex to maintain.

Have you considered using one of the many ultra-low power multi-vibrator or oscillator circuits?
They can be very simple, run on fractions of a volt and very few uA of current.
Judging by your LEDs I would say there is more than enough to run such circuits.

One example: http://www.discovercircuits.com/DJ-Circuits/astable.htm

BEP
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 12, 2009, 04:10:28 PM
EM!

all you now need is.... a JT! 1"  LOL  BOUT 3 250V CAPS ... 100NS 3 BRIDGES .. 1 2N222A  LOL

THEN YOU WILL HAVE A WIRELESS SUPPLY OF HIGH FREQ HIGH VOLT DC RECTIFIED IN 3 CAPS FOR A 3 PHASE DISCHARGE SYSTEM  TO THE REST OF THE SM TPU YOU WILL BUILD... HUMMMM

SIMPLE RIGHT ... 

THE ONLY PART I COULD NOT DO .... IS WHAT YOU HAVE ..

WHY I DEEMED IT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ON THIS SITE ...

CUZ WHEN YOU MASTER THIS IT WILL TUNE IN DIRRECTLY TO EARTH ENGERY OR COSMIC ENGERY

OR ORBIT ENGERY SOURCE ENGERY OR UNIVERSAL ENGERY ...

I THINK THERE MANY DIFFRENT SOURCES OF ENGERY!

PEACE!

IST!

HERE IS A SONG ID LIKE TO THROW IN THE MIX ...  ;D ;)

KENNY RODGERS THE GAMBLER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfCgycpoqs

IN HIS FINAL WORDS I FOUND AN ACE I COULD KEEP ! ~{THE DREAM!  TO BREAK THROUGH UNDER DIFFICUALT CIRCUMSTANCES}~     ;)

THANK YOU STEVEN MARKS .....

W!     SH!FT  UNDERWAY :)

PS EM IF YOU WANT TO SEE SUCH A UNIT .. HERE IS A PICTURE ... BUT I MADE THIS 3 SWITCHES .. IT WILL STILL DO ALL I HAVE SAID FROM YOUR RING SUPPLY

PEACE!

HERE IS A BIGGER STYLE UNIT I DID WITH AN EARLYER DESIGN ... I HAVE THE SAME ON ALL OUTPUTS ...

THEASE ARE THE LARGE CORES FOR THE OU RING ....   W MATERIAL ... ITS ALL POST PUBLIC
http://www.youtube.com/user/innovationstation#p/u/3/yk-hwnOmzn4

1 MORE THING MAYBE YOU COULD SOME FIGURE OUT IT TO MAKE YOUR SUPPLY RING VARIABLE DEPENDING ON LOCATION ... WE NEED A SIGNAL LED SO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE STRONG SIGNAL ... THEN JUST AN ON AND OFF BUTTON ...   LOCATION / FREQ TUNEING / VARABLE FROM RING DESIGN WOULD BE

JUST AWESOME!

JUST AN IDEA...
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 15, 2009, 06:47:07 PM
what I'm about to show you will simply amaze you..... but I'm not sure if I should post anymore.   I perfected the technology!!

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: poynt99 on November 15, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
EM,

Of course we'd like to see  8).

Whether you're on course with SM or not, your stuff is still interesting indeed.

Indulge us!

.99
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on November 15, 2009, 08:33:39 PM
If one can get "free energy" from infrared, one need not worry about whether their "free energy" comes from radio harmonics in power lines.

    Echo that.  Why are we bothering with solar arrays when we can just tune in to a massive scource of energy every where all the time.  Pretty short wavelength but if we can capture individual photons what is the problem with infrared.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 15, 2009, 08:49:35 PM
Hi EM,
we are waiting anxiously for your next demo.

Please share.

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on November 15, 2009, 09:28:27 PM
       Or side by side validation   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ODW-ntPHSU  Thanks for the your work so far and looking forward to more demonstrations.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 16, 2009, 12:46:52 AM
what I'm about to show you will simply amaze you..... but I'm not sure if I should post anymore.   I perfected the technology!!

congrats to you sir!

i will be amazed your correct  as will you! 

do humans get orbit?   

ist `

sparks ...  who built that?  i love it!   he now only needs a few rings the same...  ;)

to be honest about orbit ... i left it alone it simply out dates everything far to fast!

if i give orbit you dont get the opertunity to learn  what TESLA DID SO LONG AGO FOR THE HUMAN RACE!

I THINK I WAS BROUGHT BACK PERPOUSLY TO SHARE THE ROOT OF IT ...   :)

if they would tell the truth about what they all have done ... this all would make alot more sence..

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 16, 2009, 02:55:22 AM
what I'm about to show you will simply amaze you..... but I'm not sure if I should post anymore.   I perfected the technology!!

Your experiments always amaze me. I have plenty to learn. Don't hold back now!

BEP
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on November 16, 2009, 03:49:08 AM
@inno

  No idea but it is nice work.  Lacks the Mass equivalence that Tesla always noted as important.  I think EM is closer because his little coil looks fat and stout while the big coil is a tall and lean.  And EM is inductively linking to another loop. 
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Grumpy on November 16, 2009, 05:42:35 AM
what I'm about to show you will simply amaze you..... but I'm not sure if I should post anymore.   I perfected the technology!!

Unless you are going to show a levitating coil - don't bother.  I already that AG is related to the TPU.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 16, 2009, 09:02:20 AM
sorry Grumpy, it's s not levitating, it just lights decent light bulbs instead of LEDs, and the range is amazing,... and it can't be shielded !!.... and my freaking computer ON/OFF switch is busted on my video processing computer, and I ran out of time, so next weekend it will have to be. 
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 16, 2009, 02:18:00 PM
@EM

Where you able to power additional circuitry to enhance the effect?

I would love to see you've achieved something more than RF exciting the phosphorescent qualities of an organic LED  ;)  (Reference to work of another - not your current project)

BEP
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 16, 2009, 03:12:32 PM
sorry Grumpy, it's s not levitating, it just lights decent light bulbs instead of LEDs, and the range is amazing,... and it can't be shielded !!.... and my freaking computer ON/OFF switch is busted on my video processing computer, and I ran out of time, so next weekend it will have to be.

So you can already extract Watts instead of MilliWatts ?
But it only works near power lines ?

Does the power come from the grid lines ?

Does it mean you steal the power from the grid lines
or do the grid lines only work as antennas to
pick this 25 Khz range waves up and lead it to your house ?

So does it also work just near electric cables,
that don´t carry 60Hz grid currents ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Grumpy on November 16, 2009, 03:52:55 PM
sorry Grumpy, it's s not levitating, it just lights decent light bulbs instead of LEDs, and the range is amazing,... and it can't be shielded !!.... and my freaking computer ON/OFF switch is busted on my video processing computer, and I ran out of time, so next weekend it will have to be.

hmm - I really was hoping for levitation...

So, lets see it.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Mannix on November 17, 2009, 12:36:29 AM
Along the lines EM aluding to got me thinking. (powerlines or not)

One or two large resosnat coils and one or two small resonant coils at exactly the same frequency , or an even ratio orientated such that the fields interact with each other in 3 dimensions...It cant be that simple, can it?
And that would mean that some  things in the letters were misleading.

the video however would be a different story

"its is just the knowledge of the coils and they way they interact with each other "
"theres is no mass circuitry involved"

Hey, perhaps that video had WAY too much information. with so little of it.

Over to you EM!





 
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: kmarinas86 on November 17, 2009, 01:40:35 AM
Hello friends,

I've pondered the upside down phenomena exhibited by the first TPU  (FTPU) posted by Steven Mark, for quite some time.   Today as I was playing with my coils I realized that I have possibly stumbled on the phenomena.   

Now flip the coil and HOLD it there...............

..........  Then...... turn it off.

Turn it on again but this time upside down.

Repeat.

Do this because the change in operation may be due to the change in orientation.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 17, 2009, 06:16:03 AM
Ok guys,  I'll tell you what I've accomplished this weekend,  I found the culprit that was creating the strongest harmonics, and Grumpy wins the guessing game.  It was a CFL light (Compact Florescent Light, and almost all my lights are CFLs) which had some defects so I modified it and created a special resonator/magnifier to put out way more RF pollution then should be legal  :)

I'm thinking, what the hell, if I don't have High Voltage power lines next to my house, with all their PLH noise, let me create something similar.  I won't show you the magnifier as I'm thinking it might be something too novel and might have patentability.

But I created a larger receiver coil that works wonders.  Here you see it on the cement.  Next I show my workmanship on the faulty CFL, which I broke and tapped into it's guts and put heat sinks on the transistors for more current handling.  Nice isn't it!  Next is a close up of the waveform. Look at those spikes !  People in the field know what that is, it's saturation of the core.

bottom line,  I realized that resonant magnetic fields can not be shielded (low frequency ones) and they carry quite far.  According to my calculations the strength of the field is very small compared to what Steven Mark had at the mansion from the power lines behind his house.  So there is no doubt in my mind of where the power source was for his device.

Sorry I can't say anymore guys, perhaps later.

EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 06:41:46 AM
wow!

slick!

you dont need to say anymore ... 

it is quite clear how it works ...  whats the range ? and have you done many coils 1 transmitter ?

ist!

i remember sm saying once you get 1 to work you could stack as many as you desire ...

GREAT WORK !   
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 17, 2009, 06:49:03 AM
Hi IST, yes I have, and if they are not too close together to de-tune themselves, it seems I can just extract more and more power.  I know my little transmitter can't put out all that power, so I'm starting to wonder if perhaps there is more going on with these resonant fields.  I'm not making any claims yet. Range is around 20 feet !!,  (but with stabilization the output power can be regulated to appear constant, about 95 volts at 25 feet, or 60 volts at 30 feet radius, or 40 volts at 40 feet radius, but don't confuse this with unlimited current, current drops off exponentially, I'm still carrying out measurements and I'm learning so much, I thought I knew all there was about resonance,.... how wrong I was !)
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 17, 2009, 07:06:28 AM
turn the main breaker off in your house and see if it still works.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 17, 2009, 07:10:55 AM
it does not work when the power is cut off to the whole house,   I thought that was clear all along  ???
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 17, 2009, 07:22:17 AM
it does not work when the power is cut off to the whole house,   I thought that was clear all along  ???

Sorry EM, I must of glazed over that part, carry on.

Jerry :)
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 17, 2009, 07:59:00 AM
Ok, not a problem.


guys,  I think I brought a combination of parts together (with some understanding of course)  but in some respects it was quite a lucky combination because ......  I just tried to replace the core with another one and it doesn't work nearly as good,  so I think the core might be playing a very important part in this energy reception, more then I calculated and anticipated with my design.   Wow,  I'm exhausted, just when I think I understand what I'm doing I realize it's back to magnetics and magnetostriction and more amazing interactions....
EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: otto on November 17, 2009, 08:16:34 AM
Hello all,

@EM

now Im really happy.

As for the core, important is the WEIGHT and the metals used.

Try Copper and Aluminium plates.

Do you have a minus in your setup??

Connect a minus to your core, if possible....play with CORES, they are sooooo important.

Otto
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Grumpy on November 17, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
EM

You should be able to do the same with your mini Tesla coil if you make a receiver for it.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 02:25:31 PM
the core ...

well em

i found the material for my large rings W material works well 10 000u  but i think it may have to do with  tuneing the core first ... 

the 814 14 ga  works well for a 1 " core 

but even so  with many cores the exact same you must tune first ... perhaps  some are just  poor quality .. i have noticed  identical cores .. to the eye but very diffrent story when tuneing .. for output!

i first do this to find how many turns on primary of core ..  once primary is found .. for best results .. i then place secondary wires to my desired voltage.. 

the most i ever got from a aa battery and  a 1"  was  680vac pure sine ... ptp no bridge...

so now  may there not be a way to convert your transmitter to operate from a jt...  ;)

i bet there is ...

is
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 17, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Mannix....Incorrect houses remember?? are you going to rethink that statement?

EM Devices,

What can you say about the distance between the house and the powerlines? in Meters
I just want to know how close you think it was.

If you happen to know the voltages these lines carry it's even better.

Marco.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 03:25:51 PM
this is brilliant!

 ;D

so sm orignally built the tpu from plh

he then made a slick little unit ... all in 1

wonderful!

he then learned he could just tune right into the  source?

ist!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 17, 2009, 04:03:46 PM
Hi EM,
nice setup and great output !

Yes, you should really check,
if more receivers will also draw more power in the transmitter.

But: There are videos, where SM did show his devices
not near power lines, e.g. on the Hifi-Rack( which probably shields this),
the white room with no furniture in it with the 2 x 60 Watts lamps
and he also showed it to Dr. Schinzinger probably at the university,
when I remember correctly...

So it is very vague to say, that it only worked near power lines.

Well, try to measure the input power into your CFL transmitter
circuit and then compare the output power from several
receiver coil bulbs.
Will be interesting to see, if you will get more output power
than transmit power put in.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2009, 06:31:44 PM
I thought I knew all there was about resonance,.... how wrong I was !)
that's the smartest thing i have heard anyone say on a TPU thread. it's too bad you didn't have that humility sooner, you might have learned something from stiffler regarding multiple receivers.

it does not work when the power is cut off to the whole house

so what's the big deal then? when you run this device, it still spins your mains meter faster does it not? get it to work with your house power shut off and you have something...
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Frederic2k1 on November 17, 2009, 06:37:11 PM
Of course, the tpu is NOT a transmitter to draw current from powerlines.
Look at Bob Boyce PDF file in the "MEG and other OU circuits" section. There it is exactly explained how and why the tpu works... Erverything fits together.

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2009, 06:44:50 PM
Wilby is an assclown.
typical ad hominem response from grumpy.
how does that childish response address any of my points?
can you explain to us grumpy what makes this device that is powered by mains so cool? other than it's wireless...
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 17, 2009, 07:17:17 PM
Wilby is an assclown.

And your an ass H***
Nothing good comes from your hands but posts ending with Questionmarks.
I can't help it but i feel sorry for you....
If somebody would raize some money to get you a nice meal i would donate.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2009, 07:26:02 PM
And your an ass H***
Nothing good comes from your hands but posts ending with Questionmarks.
I can't help it but i feel sorry for you....
If somebody would raize some money to get you a nice meal i would donate.
come on marco, act like an adult. i don't require you to defend me from logical fallacies with more logical fallacies...
it would be nice if someone could respond to my questions with some substance.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 07:28:36 PM
guys...

for 1 what marco posted is very relivent to this ..  plh very usefull...   

think about it ....

em agin clearly a demo of  briliance...   

it all fits verry clearly stand back and take a look..  ;)

now the hv smaker .. for marcos method .. 

for em's a lower volt supply ...  and transmit from center ..  very much acess point user system

marco same thing ...  fire a fat coil fast so it radiates plh and tap them ...


is

theres 10 million ways to the same ...
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 17, 2009, 07:30:52 PM
User Grumpy was set on Read-Only
due to posting nasty stuff and name calling
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 07:33:46 PM
now if i can ask a question that may answer wills question

what do they share that is common between both ?  air?    eather    enviroment ? 

so makeing a wave in the envirement and tapping that wave  eather via harmonics .. or mutibles of resonants .. allows you access to eather engery ... you get the sent engery ... plus you get eather colapse ..  it may apear radient on the out put b4 rectified ..

does this sound correct?

ist!

marco can you get diffrent speeds from diffrently tuned coils to the harmonics ... if so  you get spin ..

thank you ..

make a loop of wire .. fire it resonat signal ... place 3 coils tuned by mass  around the coil ...  and tap... take output to tpu .. otto style no feed back!!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: poynt99 on November 17, 2009, 08:06:49 PM
User Grumpy was set on Read-Only
due to posting nasty stuff and name calling

 ???

Stefan, you have kicked people from here for much less than what WilbyInebraited has been doing, yet he is untouched.

Why are you protecting him? You have repeatedly ignored my PM's about this, why?

WilbyInebriated adds nothing of substance to these threads, and only acts to disrupt them. Between him and Rose for example, the Ainslie thread was made into a mockery, and many good folks gave up and left because of this. Now he has moved on to the TPU threads it would seem. Do you want folks to talk technical or let these threads degenerate into the mess that inevitably follows this individual? It is quite obvious what happens when this individual intervenes, and I can not understand why you allow this?

WilbyInebriated is an individual that is consistently brazen and incendiary with folks, and seems only to be interested in turning good threads into shambles.

Are you trying to instigate a boycott of this forum by it's senior members? I would suggest it might go that way if this continues. Grumpy get's a little out of hand from time to time, but usually only because of folks like WilbyInebriated.

I would ask that you re-instate Grumpy, and rightfully set WilbyInebriated to "read-only" in his place. I know there are many many members that agree wholeheartedly with this.

.99
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2009, 08:15:27 PM
???

Stefan, you have kicked people from here for much less than what WilbyInebraited has been doing, yet he is untouched.

Why are you protecting him? You have repeatedly ignored my PM's about this, why?

WilbyInebriated adds nothing of substance to these threads, and only acts to disrupt them. Between him and Rose for example, the Ainslie thread was made into a mockery, and many good folks gave up and left because of this. Now he has moved on to the TPU threads it would seem. Do you want folks to talk technical or let these threads degenerate into the mess that inevitable follows this individual? It is quite obvious what happens when this individual intervenes, and I can not understand why you allow this?

WilbyInebriated is an individual that is consistently brazen and incendiary with folks, and seems only to be interested in turning good threads into shambles.

Are you trying to instigate a boycott of this forum by it's senior members? I would suggest it might go that way if this continues. Grumpy get's a little out of hand from time to time, but usually only because of folks like WilbyInebriated.

I would ask that you re-instate Grumpy, and rightfully set WilbyInebriated to "read-only" in his place. I know there are many many members that agree wholeheartedly with this.

.99
what exactly have i done? i ask valid questions and the response is usually a logical fallacy, typically ad hominem.
i've added plenty of substance, and asked valid questions. your entire argument is one of hyperbole...
i would suggest the 'senior members' grow up a bit and stop engaging in logical fallacies.

what exactly in my first post in this thread deserved an ad hominem response from grumpy?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 17, 2009, 08:21:53 PM
Thanks Stefan.

come on marco, act like an adult. i don't require you to defend me from logical fallacies with more logical fallacies...
it would be nice if someone could respond to my questions with some substance.

Okay Willy, your right.

You have to think further then the home wiring with this thing.
The fact that EM discoverd it works on his home wiring does not say this tech is no good because it spins the meter in his house, in this case.

As you know EM Fields are everywhere and at many diffrent power levels and frequencys.
This means there will not always be a meter spinning.
And if there is...it could be your neigtbours meter  ;D ;D ;D ;D
No thats just a joke man...or is it?

If you take a leap into the future you can also realize this can come in handy for recharging or even directly feeding electronic devices or even electric cars.
This way would be much safer to park you car on a charge point in stead of hooking up two dangerous high voltage connectors which wear down when used much.

That's only a quick sumup of the things i can come up with at this moment.
If we manage to extract power with this tech from natural sources it will become one of the finest available sources known to man kind.

Most of the time people do not realize the potential of certian things and they can eventually turn out to be a treasure for mankind.

Marco.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Groundloop on November 17, 2009, 08:22:40 PM
@WilbyInebriated,

>>it would be nice if someone could respond to my questions with some substance.

EMdevices has found out that he is tapping power from the EML (electromagnetic
leakage) emanating from CFL lamps. By regulations, the manufacturer of such lamps
is required to put in a filter into the driver electronic so that the EML is lower than
approx. 100dBuV. The leakage that goes back to the power line is called the mains
terminal disturbance (conducted EMI). The oscillator inside the CFL lamp operate
on approx. 25KHz.

Now, 100dBuV is a very, very small power. If EMdevices has 10 CFLs running then
the radiated RF (radio frequency) is only 1dBmV. This is the same as 1.26 mW.
(milli Watt). This is the total power he has available around his coils.

Now, a red led as shown in the images uses (and let us be modest) 1,5 volt 10mA
to light as shown. This is the same as 15mW. In one image he had
3 LEDs lighting, so the total output was 45mW.

Now, Input = 1,26mW Output = 45mW, gives COP of 35 (approx.)

(Please correct me if I have the math wrong.)

Groundloop.

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 17, 2009, 08:24:23 PM

WilbyInebriated adds nothing of substance to these threads, and only acts to disrupt them.


Are you suggesting Grumpy is adding anything of substance to the threads?????

Think Again.

Besides hes got his own little place doesn't he ?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2009, 08:33:15 PM
Thanks Stefan.

Okay Willy, your right.

You have to think further then the home wiring with this thing.
The fact that EM discoverd it works on his home wiring does not say this tech is no good because it spins the meter in his house, in this case.

As you know EM Fields are everywhere and at many diffrent power levels and frequencys.
This means there will not always be a meter spinning.
And if there is...it could be your neigtbours meter  ;D ;D ;D ;D
No thats just a joke man...or is it?

If you take a leap into the future you can also realize this can come in handy for recharging or even directly feeding electronic devices or even electric cars.
This way would be much safer to park you car on a charge point in stead of hooking up two dangerous high voltage connectors which wear down when used much.

That's only a quick sumup of the things i can come up with at this moment.
If we manage to extract power with this tech from natural sources it will become one of the finest available sources known to man kind.

Most of the time people do not realize the potential of certian things and they can eventually turn out to be a treasure for mankind.

Marco.
thanks marco.

good joke about the neighbors. :) i take their wifi, why not their mains power? ;)

thank you for the summation. i agree, if with this tech, power is extracted from natural sources, that would be something. by that i mean something along the lines of which you alluded to, "recharging or even directly feeding electronic devices or even electric cars."
until then i will refrain from getting too excited about theft of mains.

@WilbyInebriated,

>>it would be nice if someone could respond to my questions with some substance.

EMdevices has found out that he is tapping power from the EML (electromagnetic
leakage) emanating from CFL lamps. By regulations, the manufacturer of such lamps
is required to put in a filter into the driver electronic so that the EML is lower than
approx. 100dBuV. The leakage that goes back to the power line is called the mains
terminal disturbance (conducted EMI). The oscillator inside the CFL lamp operate
on approx. 25KHz.

Now, 100dBuV is a very, very small power. If EMdevices has 10 CFLs running then
the radiated RF (radio frequency) is only 1dBmV. This is the same as 1.26 mW.
(milli Watt). This is the total power he has available around his coils.

Now, a red led as shown in the images uses (and let us be modest) 1,5 volt 10mA
to light as shown. This is the same as 15mW. In one image he had
3 LEDs lighting, so the total output was 45mW.

Now, Input = 1,26mW Output = 45mW, gives COP of 35 (approx.)

(Please correct me if I have the math wrong.)

Groundloop.
thanks groundloop. i am aware of what you posted, but it's good info for those who are not that might be reading. i could be wrong but i don't think that it is JUST the cfl's rf powering his loads. i think i'll refrain from getting too excited. when it is shown to run out in the boonies it might pique my curiousity...
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 08:39:19 PM
hey will morf the 2 ...  ;D

grab wifi and power from the free link ...  ;)

typical router is .5 watt...  lot more than 1.2 mili watt

so most routers 2.6ghz ...  marco plh for 2.6ghz?  lol

find lowest harmonic and tune away  ;D ;)


is

or some how make the coil tuned to 2.6ghz  but i think lower harmonics will be easyer ..
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2009, 08:42:25 PM
hey will morf the 2 ...  ;D

grab wifi and power from the free link ...  ;)

typical router is .5 watt...  lot more than 1.2 mili watt

so most routers 2.6ghz ...  marco plh for 2.6ghz?  lol

find lowest harmonic and tune away  ;D ;)


is

or some how make the coil tuned to 2.6ghz  but i think lower harmonics will be easyer ..
thanks ist, been there done that.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 08:44:58 PM
i should have known ::)

lol

peace!

w
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 17, 2009, 08:53:01 PM
Well IST  :) we all know that smaller wavelengths have less energy in an equal time frame compared to large wave lengths.
2.6 Gigahertz is quite high when looked at with high power level eyes.
Like you said it doesn't need much energy to travell far and that is why things like wifi and bluetooth and pmr simply work great.
So the real deal here is "how low can you go"  :D
When we are thinking real low frequency, the circuitry to interact with it get's real big.

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Groundloop on November 17, 2009, 08:54:42 PM
All,

Let us look at his newest setup. Here he has modified a 23 Watt CFL so that it
puts out a lot of RF energy. Let us say this particular lamp is 85% good at
converting the input to a usable output. So the unit is outputting approx. 19 Watt.
His lamp is 40 Watt. I do not know if the lamp is at full brightness, but judging of
the color of the light, I would say at least 50% brightness.

Again, Input = 19 Watt Output = 20 Watt, still over unity. But even if it is under unity
then it is a very good low loss method of transferring power wireless.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Spider on November 17, 2009, 08:58:00 PM
I was thinking the same, maybe he can power his modded CFL with his coilsetup..
That would be nice. :D


Spider



Give Grumpy back his rights to post!!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 09:11:49 PM
looking at his transmitter...  what kind of rays is he actually transmitting he is fireing a cfl 25khz into a filiment bulb as an antenna ..

so  maybe it is emitting something other than a standard cfl  leakage ?

is?

how low can you go thing ...  marco   ...  hold it in your hand  ;) lol you should be able to make this work off your bodys electricty .. easly ..

thats pretty low ...  there are no limits ..   

hey marco the radio active rocks work well i hear ...  :D
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Groundloop on November 17, 2009, 09:27:16 PM
IST,

I do not think the filament bulb is the antenna. 25KHz has a wavelength of 12000 meter.
I think the antenna is the mains lines them self. The filament light bulb is there as
a load to the oscillator so that the CFL electronic will survive and not burn up.

I may be wrong, though.

Alex.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: WilbyInebriated on November 17, 2009, 09:33:51 PM
IST,

I do not think the filament bulb is the antenna. 25KHz has a wavelength of 12000 meter.
I think the antenna is the mains lines them self. The filament light bulb is there as
a load to the oscillator so that the CFL electronic will survive and not burn up.

I may be wrong, though.

Alex.
i agree on the filament bulb not being the antenna. certain types of cfl circuits need to "sense" the cfl bulb filaments in order to operate. the incandescent is acting as resistor. i would imagine EM could replace it with a capacitor...

i may be wrong too.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Groundloop on November 17, 2009, 09:42:18 PM
IST,

Attached is a typical CFL driver. This particular circuit needs a load between P2 and P6
to operate. I do not have the circuit drawing of the CFL that EM used so it is hard
to figure out how he did his modifications.

One thing is for sure, he can transmit an amazing lot of power wireless.

Alex.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 17, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
i seem to think that because the electricty flows through a vacume   it emitts something ...


em   can or have you done a 1 wire test with the bulb  and the other wire loose ? on the transmitter ...

ist!

or perhaps an earth ground on the loose one ...  ;D 8)
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on November 18, 2009, 12:47:37 AM
Wireless power transmission has been done for 20 years in the cattle industry. A company I worked with came under contract to develop this. It is actually a split transformer application. The primary was at the feed lot and the secondary on the bovine collar. When the cattle approaches the feedrack it is identified and robofed the right mix of suppliments. The secondary coil picks up and powers the unit. Else the device is dormaint until the cattle returns.

What's the big deal? This is old technology.

--gk
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on November 18, 2009, 01:50:31 AM


One thing is for sure, he can transmit an amazing lot of power wireless.


That is right.
I wonder how much power his modded CFL driver draws.

By the way, this magnetic wireless transmission system
could have simular effects to this reaearch and could maybe
be explained by it:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8309

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on November 18, 2009, 04:05:06 AM
    Why would we need a 1/4 wave or anything like that if we are tuned to the magnetic portion of the wave.  The receiver is a coil lieing in a changing magnetic field so why would it not induce current when the magnetic field changes about it.  Isnt that how a generator works.  You have a conductor with a changing magnetic field about it.  Radio transmission is always working using the electric portion of a wave because it goes the farthest without turning into noise.  But if you radio in your field or exciter current and it is traveling like a rotor on a motor then we have an air core generator with no drag on the engine.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: wattsup on November 18, 2009, 05:44:40 AM
    Why would we need a 1/4 wave or anything like that if we are tuned to the magnetic portion of the wave.  The receiver is a coil lieing in a changing magnetic field so why would it not induce current when the magnetic field changes about it.  Isnt that how a generator works.  You have a conductor with a changing magnetic field about it.  Radio transmission is always working using the electric portion of a wave because it goes the farthest without turning into noise.  But if you radio in your field or exciter current and it is traveling like a rotor on a motor then we have an air core generator with no drag on the engine.

@Sparks

I'd say half a changing magnetic field.

All you need is the other half.

The TPU quest ain't over boys.

Then 800 watts was not chicken feed.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: wattsup on November 18, 2009, 05:47:16 AM
Something wrong with the modify feature??? Sorry Guys.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 18, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
Ok. So, we have possible validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena.

Do we also know now why the controls had to be in the middle? (place the CFL circuit in the middle)

Now just keep adding collectors around the control?

This little xfmr core symbol interests me. Thanks, Groundloop.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 18, 2009, 01:22:25 PM
Well Wattsup, it won't be long from here.

If we can pull 20Watts from a 120 Volt line, we can pull 20Kw from a 120Kv line, no wonder these units vaporize or explode when tuned too close...,and since most poweline voltages are well over 120Kv it will be even more...

New measurement results will be available on monday.

Marco.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 18, 2009, 01:25:22 PM
Ok. So, we have possible validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena.

Do we also know now why the controls had to be in the middle? (place the CFL circuit in the middle)

Now just keep adding collectors around the control?

This little xfmr core symbol interests me. Thanks, Groundloop.

The hysteresis curve... What about it Bep?

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 18, 2009, 01:29:43 PM
Well Wattsup, it won't be long from here.

If we can pull 20Watts from a 120 Volt line, we can pull 20Kw from a 120Kv line, no wonder these units vaporize or explode when tuned too close...,and since most poweline voltages are well over 120Kv it will be even more...

New measurement results will be available on monday.

Marco.

@Marco,

I'm sure you realize the magnetic field strength has little to do with the voltage level. It is all Amps and wire size/turns.

@EM's 25kHz was from the CFL circuit, not the power lines. The only way you can get that much magnetic field strength in higher frequency from power lines is if that line was DC and you were near a DC/AC inversion station. 


>>Edit:

At the point where it is converted to AC there is one whopping big CFL circuit  :o
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on November 18, 2009, 01:32:15 PM
      Would the controls be the radiator?  When a diode is energized in reverse bias there is a migration within the crystal of holes and electrons.  The holes have no mass that I know of.  These same holes are in copper silver and gold.  What moves first the holes or the electrons.  Is there a tristate electric field play.  Positive Negative Zero.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 18, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
@Bep

Yes well i just multiplied EM's latest results.
I do realize reality can be somewhat diffrent but it's just that these numbers look great  ;D HAHA
Like i said new measurements will be available on monday.

I looked for the mansion video from EM devices but i can't find it anymore.
I still wonder how close those lines were to the demo house.
The power level quickly decayes when one moves just a few meters further away from those lines, but when you are in the 65 Meter zone things can still be intresting.

Steven did say somewhere he was in an area where they were converting to high frequency transmission so who knows...

So what about that hysteresis curve?

Marco.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: wattsup on November 18, 2009, 02:18:24 PM
@Marco,
@EM's 25kHz was from the CFL circuit, not the power lines. The only way you can get that much magnetic field strength in higher frequency from power lines is if that line was DC and you were near a DC/AC inversion station. 

Well shit, it would have been good to know about this from day one since I have been spending time trying to tune a loop according to @EM vague instructions. Had I known he was using a transmitter, I would not have wasted so much time on it. I will now drop it and just keep working on my regular TPU. lol

There are companies doing this already with TVs and other stuff powered by wireless. Anyways what is the point. @EM wants to patent his device so technically we will never know any more about this except for tidbits and we all have a belly full of those.

@Stefan

Don't tell me you banned @Grumpy because this @willynilly jerk off. That guy is just here to create mayhem.

Added;

So why would there be a 20 minute function limit on SM devices if this is how he is doing his little tricks?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 18, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
The curve?

I just never paid much attention to CFLs. I hate them. They are electronically noisy , slow to light and never put out as much light as advertised.

But, they have a designed-in saturation. Why is it interesting? Because such an application can be to create much shorter pulse width than conventional solid state can provide.

Even with @EM's math his coil resonance didn't seem possible without some other tricks not known by most.

@EM,

Did you know the source was short pulse width when you calculated L & C? If so, did you calc to resonate to the pulse width instead of the frequency?

If you did then I applaud you. Most of the best wouldn't know you could make a wire resonate at almost any frequency by tuning it to pulse width intstead of frequency.

This is also very useable in magnetostriction  ;D

BTW: DC transmission lines are horrible radiators of higher frequency magnetic fields. You see, they power an inverter at the inversion station. This inverter is nothing more than a switching 3 phase power supply. Every time one of the SCR/IGBTs fires a pulse of very short high amperage load is pulled from the DC line. The whole length of line radiates  ;)
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 18, 2009, 02:33:34 PM
i bet they get hot ...

why there 20 min run ...  as hotter it gets more power is dissapated .. ?


congrats on who ever got 800w be careful  i like my friends to be alive ......

william
 

BEP ... there is your kick ... lol the magnetic kick or jump in the wire ... sheesh ... lol hahaha

sure i have seen this tho it melted my wires ....  ;D  really fast ...

and the pace picks up ..  ;D





Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on November 18, 2009, 06:50:54 PM
IST

I still don't think the 'kick' is just a switching spike.

Wattsup

The 20 minute problem makes me think there is still more to a TPU than picking up induced EMF. Power line noise would be a good way start things but I still don't see us powering much load from it.
I still think delay, relativistic speed of current and rotation are part of the so called 'TPU'.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 18, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
the kick is a physical movement of a wire in the presents of a magnetic feild .... the vibration ... of the tpu and its current ...  but i think you get the source to drive such a unit from the sw kick or toroide coil ...


pulse 1 wire past a perm magnet ...  watch it dance ...  find the right freq and melt wires...

lol

ist!

want a video?

see the wire jump when he turned it on ? 

 MIT SHOWS YOU ,YOU CAN DO THIS WITH AN ELECTROMAGNET ... :D  lol

but few have eyes to see unless they are told ...  ;)  it might better be termed magnetic currents ..
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on November 18, 2009, 10:48:25 PM
The 'Kick' is mother nature telling you that you are at the right speed and timing when she returns back home to whoop your arse.

You know the drill. Aggravate your Momma the second time and the spankin' gets bigger.

--gk. Same below as above.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on November 19, 2009, 01:45:01 AM
    If we accelerate or deaccelerate charged mass we get emwaves.   It will cost us to accelerate the mass unless we utilize an accelerating force.  It will not cost us to deaccelerate the mass.  Are not electrons subject to the laws of gravity and conservation of momemtum. 
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Qwert on November 19, 2009, 04:36:27 AM
Hi.
I'm watching this forum since 2007 and all the time I hope that somebody will build a working model which will somehow become available for potential users like me. I'm not in the fields presented here except some very basic theoretic knowledge of the very basic electronics. Since I became disabled last year (an eye disease with vision problems), I have a lot of free time, however still can watch computer screen relatively easy.
Despite all efforts from visitors to this theme (TPU) I find that you guys are losing ground. Some new guys say that the information on this forum is too huge to find something useful. I want to ease you the work.
To my knowledge this forum was created to find a solution to build machines like TPU. I found it useful to return to the beginnings. Just today I finished reading posts of a guy named Kames which appears to have just right knowledge of the fields presented and needed here. Here are two links just to start:

This post is just this guy's very first one to this forum:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.msg4449#msg4449

and this is second post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.msg4638#msg4638

So, if you (especially new) guys really want some useful knowledge, watch as many as possible Kames' posts. Also watch this topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark". You should find or remind really useful information there.

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Mannix on November 19, 2009, 05:54:58 AM
@qwert

You make a valid point.

Either concentrate on what the inventor was able to reveal using tubes..
or if you think that is a side track, just focous on the ftpu and the sparse info contained there.

This thead does deal with interacting fields which is a very interesting pursuit and may well be entirely relevant regardless of the look at me type videos and the ego's that come with them. Any research is better than none, and whatever people find out its still learning and can be extremely interesting, and  if nothing else it shows us just how little we realy know about things we may assume to be known.
 
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 19, 2009, 02:30:49 PM
well stage 1 first test posted public ..

tests are done with an aa battery .. powering 2 500ma leds .. and chargeing an ultracap in 8 hours to 1.4vdc .. the aa has droped 3 100's of a volt ... 

overunity ...  hummmm

 ;D

ist! 

ps thank you gadget for your tests!

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Yucca on November 19, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
This whole thing smells very similar to the work of Don Smith.

My derivation of one of Dons devices seems close to unity at least, I couldn´t hang any gear on it to check due to the large potentials involved >30kV peaks.

Saturation of the core medium seems an essential component, be it ferrous or air. Through saturation some strange things happen and I think the hysteresis curve becomes assymetrical, perhaps in the saturation region a window is opened through which ambient energies can flow (ZPE). Also note that sinus into TX with saturation seems lossy, but short and sharp pulses into TX seem to yield a sinus on the RX with good area.

I have made a pulse excited TX coil tuned to approx 70kHz and an identical RX coil. The TX is excited by a metglass core buck converter (basically a beefy high turn JT with 13005 tran) running 70kHz and saturating. It seems that loading secondary does not drag down primary as much as would be expected.

RX coil needs to be spaced vertically at an optimum point above the TX coil, the spacing and diameter ratio looks very similar to the FTPU, in fact I am using an old cable reel to space the coils, just like FTPU.

@EM, can you give us more details about your "magnifier\resonator" that you use on the OP of the CFL driver? is it a tuned LC tank with a saturating core on the L?

Or is the saturating core the toroid in the CFL driver and your magnifier employs an aircoil TX?

I presume (as do others) that the filament lamp on the CFL TX is just to provide load for the low voltage filament drive outputs of the CFL. And then you route the HV pulses through your magnifier TX? Your crimp connector blue leads going to the pipe end piece and then you bolt your TX coil on?

More info please! And great work by the way!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on November 20, 2009, 06:56:43 PM
Sniff this...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8227.msg209690#msg209690 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8227.msg209690#msg209690)

--giantkiller. AKA The Master's Understudy. Who is your master?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: PaulLowrance on November 20, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
???

Stefan, you have kicked people from here for much less than what WilbyInebraited has been doing, yet he is untouched.

Why are you protecting him? You have repeatedly ignored my PM's about this, why?

WilbyInebriated adds nothing of substance to these threads, and only acts to disrupt them. Between him and Rose for example, the Ainslie thread was made into a mockery, and many good folks gave up and left because of this. Now he has moved on to the TPU threads it would seem. Do you want folks to talk technical or let these threads degenerate into the mess that inevitably follows this individual? It is quite obvious what happens when this individual intervenes, and I can not understand why you allow this?

WilbyInebriated is an individual that is consistently brazen and incendiary with folks, and seems only to be interested in turning good threads into shambles.

Are you trying to instigate a boycott of this forum by it's senior members? I would suggest it might go that way if this continues. Grumpy get's a little out of hand from time to time, but usually only because of folks like WilbyInebriated.

I would ask that you re-instate Grumpy, and rightfully set WilbyInebriated to "read-only" in his place. I know there are many many members that agree wholeheartedly with this.

.99

I would agree. Stefan, for several weeks I've had WilbyInebriated on my ignore list. So far in years of being on your site he's the first & only to make it on my ignore list. IMO overunity.com can stand out from the other site. What's the address, it starts with an "e." I'll refer to it as e.com. This site can stand out by attracting more mature and advanced researchers. IMO e.com is overwhelmed with delusional young kids who are interested in living a fancy. I for one seek truth.

Paul
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 23, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
Okay Guys  :)

I announced some test results today but things got slightly delayed.
Tweaking the equipment i am going to use turned out to be more difficult then i expected.
I actually had to take apart my portable spectrum analyzer (Ipaq+Virtins http://virtins.com/ (http://virtins.com/)) to make a direct connecton on the AD converter, and things are getting real small these days.

But all turned out wonderfull and now it is working like a charm so i can go frequency hunting shortly.  ;D

I already recorded some strong signals in my living room and i have no idea where they are comming from, but i am certain these can be used to extract power from.
EM's idea to first find the power frequency's and then build the tuned circuit is just wondefull and i am going to use this methode in my next tests.
At first i wanted to use a variable capacitor but now i have decided to change the inductance for tunning.

More to come soon. :)

Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on November 23, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
very nice setup marco,  I admire your courage  (to take apart such small compact electronics and modify them)
I have found frequencies everywhere in my house, but mainly along wiring in the walls, fuse boxes, lighting, etc...
Happy hunting my friend !
EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 23, 2009, 08:47:38 PM
Hi EM  :)

I do not encourage anybody to start and modify their PPC's unless they are as skilled as i am, because it is real hard and you can wreck it very,very easy.

I have also found stong signals outside, there are many signals not only next to wires.
I'm not sure where they are coming from but these are quite powerfull peaks on the analyzer.
Next thing i will do is to wrap some tuned circuits  :)
EM your idea is just Great....First find power,then tap it!!
So not likebuilding something that looks the same and see if it will work like what i have been doing alot.
Your methode is already showing results and that is why i like it.

More results should come in very soon....
Thanks for all the Great work and keep it up EM!

Marco. 
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 23, 2009, 09:50:48 PM
marco awesome job ... 

still dont want to work with me ...  ;)?

i got an expairment you will be just perfect for ...

this will lead to amazing discoveries ...  ;)

go for a hike or a drive with your toy....

locate things and locations... ;)  ;D   

then pm me for details on the rest ...

as it is history  ;D

is

marco your about to go 15 ... 

i will better term thease NATURAL EARTH VORTEX POINTS..

locate 1  ;D
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on November 23, 2009, 09:54:30 PM
Okay IST i will log it onto a GPS map and tag it "Power Spot"  along with the frequency and the amount of extractable energy ;D ;D ;D
Just like in the open wifi day's  8)  ;D
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on November 24, 2009, 01:10:24 AM
this  will work great for your rings..

then just tune as a access point  ;)  and you can read that a few ways  ;D lol

this is not why i want you to do this ... 

but you win both ways .. lol   next  you want to peek into the golden spirl

and can you tell my what you think  :)

ist


no jumping!   maybe drop somthing inside

for some reason i think i can make a pocket size teleportor ...  there

i bet it dont cost much
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on December 01, 2009, 03:22:57 AM
It's time for more wattage !   

P.S.  What a surprise, the circuit board already has heat sinks,  very nice !!  All I have to do is tap into the right place.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on December 01, 2009, 04:31:48 AM
  There was some discussion a year or so ago about the cfl oscillator frequency and the effects arising from ultrasonic induced cavitation.  Google cavitation and fusion.  Implosions etc. Oh and let us not forget the pistol shrimp changing his preys brain to jelly using ultrasonic frequencies.  Or imagine a pound of mercury in one of those things jewelry people use.  Tell me we wouldnt have a little gain from the current used to vibrate that shit.
Mod   Until EM came along I never even thought about what happens when we have a conductor changing dimensions or density in a static magnetic field.  Hmmmmm or Hummmmmmmmmmmmm :)
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Gobaga on December 01, 2009, 05:27:21 AM
anything after the power meter on our wall has already been paid for

anything before the meter is "loss" and up for grabs, at least until they find out and tax you for it
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on December 01, 2009, 05:38:33 AM
   There is this seventh harmonic thing that Electricians have to deal with when sizing mains for a building with alot of flurescent lighting.  It seems that there is a circulation of current that is very transient in nature that is created by the ballasts.  Poor power companies circulating all that unmetered current due to load transients that their dinosaur current transformers cant catch.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on December 01, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
   There is this seventh harmonic thing that Electricians have to deal with when sizing mains for a building with alot of flurescent lighting.  It seems that there is a circulation of current that is very transient in nature that is created by the ballasts.  Poor power companies circulating all that unmetered current due to load transients that their dinosaur current transformers cant catch.

You must be thinking of the 5th. The 7th is normally no big deal. The 5th is counter rotation to the fundamental and can be the Devil.
This can cause some nasty circulating ground currents and isn't normally metered but the power companies certainly see it and all others.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: innovation_station on December 01, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
dont you think you can stimulate the fundemental... and collect from harmonics 1-7

this is soo much like a human body you do not realize ..  ;)

ist!

then agin maybe you do ...  :)
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on December 01, 2009, 07:48:51 PM
Okay i went to the powerlines to analyze the spectrum  :)
I was happy to find a strong frequeny in the Khz Range.
When i got home i realized i was standing under some street lights  ;D
So pherhaps this was the source of the signal....

Tomorrow i will go between the cows where there are no street lights and measure again, although i still think the signal came from them lines.. :)
And even if it comes from the street lights, there is alot of power.
I can see it on the graph because if it's stronger the noise get's less.
 
Marco.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: BEP on December 01, 2009, 07:57:47 PM
Better make sure the cows aren't doing it  ;)

Those little hefers can be pretty tricky around here!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: dutchy1966 on December 01, 2009, 08:49:07 PM
Hi Marco,

Nice work with the portable spectrum analyzer!! I wondered why you had to modify the PPC exactly.
Is the default setup not sensitive enough and therefore you had to go straight to the AD converter?

From your pictures it seems you're using an internal antenna from a portable radio as a receiver. Is that correct?

Be careful between the cows tomorrow!

regards

Dutchy
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: Spider on December 01, 2009, 09:07:52 PM
Hi Marco,

Nice job!!! :D

Enne.... Vat geen cow boy!!!


Spider
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on December 01, 2009, 09:23:23 PM
Hi Marco,

Nice work with the portable spectrum analyzer!! I wondered why you had to modify the PPC exactly.
Is the default setup not sensitive enough and therefore you had to go straight to the AD converter?

From your pictures it seems you're using an internal antenna from a portable radio as a receiver. Is that correct?

Be careful between the cows tomorrow!

regards

Dutchy

Hi Dutchy

I had to modify the ppc becuase there was no input connection available on this particular model.
So i took it apart and used the internal input from the built in mic.
It was close to going wrong so i won't reccommend it.
But it does work great.  :)

Hi Marco,

Nice job!!! :D

Enne.... Vat geen cow boy!!!

Spider

Haha ik vat nie zomaar een cow hoor jongens  :D

Marco.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: stprue on December 01, 2009, 09:37:07 PM
Am I seeing a 1amp spike in that spectrum shot marco?
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on December 01, 2009, 09:38:57 PM
@inno
 
    I look at it from a particle wave duality view.  If the electron is a tiny scource of wave energy or a tiny whistle.  As this tiny whistle is accelerated there are doppler effects in play.  When electrons are accelerated in a vacuum so they get real fast we get a blue shift all the way up into at least the xray band.  As  they deaccelerate we get a red shift back to the energy at rest frequency.  The free electron fundamental frequency is unknow to me.  This would be an electron not under the influence of any accelerating or deaccelerating force.  Tough place to find one of those anywhere in the Universe.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on December 01, 2009, 10:02:14 PM
Am I seeing a 1amp spike in that spectrum shot marco?

No, there is no power in this graph.
This is just from a pickup coil wound on a ferrite rod.
It's not tuned or anything like that. :) Yet... ;D

By the way, a 1 Kilohertz tuned circuit would still be quite large in size.....
Unless we start to use iron bailing wire,offcource   :)

Marco.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on December 01, 2009, 10:26:50 PM
No, there is no power in this graph.
This is just from a pickup coil wound on a ferrite rod.
It's not tuned or anything like that. :) Yet... ;D

By the way, a 1 Kilohertz tuned circuit would still be quite large in size.....
Unless we start to use iron bailing wire,offcource   :)

Marco.

The iron is one of the things I was looking at in Smith's cart coil. Big axx ring and few windings at 35.1khz. That would make the wire shorter than the wave length. Maybe the wavelength to wire length was another one of Smith's nonrelevant factoids pertaining to the ring build or valid descriptions and shuffle pictures around like a shell game. I am still gonna wrap the iron ring.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on December 01, 2009, 10:30:58 PM
  Iron sure will respond to a lower frequency.  Guess that is why they have it in low frequency generators.  I always wondered why a piece of steel lost it's magnetic field when you smacked it.  Or sent a compressional wave through the material.




















Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: stprue on December 01, 2009, 11:45:50 PM
  Iron sure will respond to a lower frequency.  Guess that is why they have it in low frequency generators.  I always wondered why a piece of steel lost it's magnetic field when you smacked it.  Or sent a compressional wave through the material.
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I'm not seeing a picture Sparks
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: giantkiller on December 02, 2009, 12:14:01 AM
@Stprue,
It is an exclamation point...
















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@Sparks,
I think is was EVGray or Hubbard at age 12 that hung a steel loop off of the open hood of an automotive vehicle on a piece of string. In the middle of that he hung a paper clip(steel) on a string. He started the vehicle. He then took a hammer and struck the steel ring. The paper clip became invisible. After some time he hit the ring again and the clip reappeared. He did this over and over and with witnesses and this started his career in overunity.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: sparks on December 02, 2009, 12:40:03 AM
    sptrue

  Most transformers or antennaes have to get rid of the internal magnetic field produced by the atomic magnetic dipole moment alignment with the induced field.  If they don't then each successive input saturates the metal atomic lattice until it runs out of atoms.  Ac circuits will reset the metals dipole moment wheras ripple dc does not.  The ambient magnetic field may and this is just a hunch reset the transformer core for you and give you an additional magnetic field change within the core material. Set reset.  If the setting power is reclaimed as much as possible by reflection then the reseting power puts you into gain.  The shockwave doesnt really do this.  It readily ionizes the atoms as the electrons respond to an accelerating force while the more massive neucleus doesnt even know what just happened.  It doesnt respond because its intrinsic angular momentum is many orders over that of the electron.  Plus it takes up space so it has alot of other issues to contend with.  The electron acceleration will produce an emwave of its own that is imposed on the ionized cores.  This sometimes leads to an electron cascade and a current that is many orders over what one would expect from the input spike.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on January 09, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
Hi EM and Marco,
any news on your devices ?


EM, did you sell your invention to RCA ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMbihbeIls

Have a look at their airenergy pickup device !
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: stprue on January 10, 2010, 12:11:41 AM
Nice find...very cool!  I wonder what the range is!
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on January 20, 2010, 07:36:09 AM
My device uses low frequency, but RCA's device is very practical and neat.  I wonder if it messes up the Wifi protocol in any way?

I finally fixed my computer and now here's some videos I was going to put up on you-tube months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3-ZHOqt6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH6M-Gx8RyQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtPQnib5Hck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ9k_2L1dwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4G1wonjpN8

Enjoy,

EM
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: turbo on January 21, 2010, 01:04:11 AM

Hi EM and Marco,
any news on your devices ?


Hi Stefan  :)

Here is a pic of my latest test:
But it ain't a TPU!!!!

Your file is too large. The maximum attachment size allowed is 300 KB.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: wings on January 21, 2010, 08:44:06 AM
Hi Stefan  :)

Here is a pic of my latest test:
But it ain't a TPU!!!!

Your file is too large. The maximum attachment size allowed is 300 KB.
if you use windows:
Image Resizer
This PowerToy enables you to resize one or many image files with a right-click.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on January 21, 2010, 11:04:37 AM
Hi Stefan  :)

Here is a pic of my latest test:
But it ain't a TPU!!!!

Your file is too large. The maximum attachment size allowed is 300 KB.

If the picture is bigger than 300 KB,
please upload to Google picasa hosting or any other simular image hosting sites
and post the link.
Any JPEG picture in 1024x768 could compressed down to less than 300 KB,
so it would be a waste of bandwidth and storage space, if you want to post
bigger pictures and many users don´t have such big monitor sizes...
Many thanks.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: hartiberlin on January 21, 2010, 11:10:29 AM
My device uses low frequency, but RCA's device is very practical and neat.  I wonder if it messes up the Wifi protocol in any way?

I finally fixed my computer and now here's some videos I was going to put up on you-tube months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3-ZHOqt6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH6M-Gx8RyQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtPQnib5Hck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ9k_2L1dwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4G1wonjpN8

Enjoy,

EM

Hi EM,
not bad lighting a few low power LEDs, but these are just tuning to different resonnace frequency effects and
here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8245.msg209191#msg209191
you already showed a much bigger light and wattage output !

Will you also show this on video ?

What power did the transmitter draw for this output power level ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on January 22, 2010, 03:35:47 AM
Stefan, that was a short lived experiment that burned out my "magnifier" circuit. I did not have a chance to take a video, the videos I posted are old ones I had taken prior.  But not to worry, I'm re-engineering the system.  So while I don't know the amount of power it draws, I know for a fact that the more power I draw the more I load the transmitter side of the system. 

EM   

P.S.   @all,  forget about this technology, it's not that useful for long distances, better use RCA's Wifi, or other directional energy schemes. 
Title: Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
Post by: EMdevices on February 08, 2010, 04:44:14 AM
This next experiment is different then what I previously showed, so don't get confused.

I'm now using a small oscillator to power one of the loops and I'm trying to see how efficient I can get.

I'm about 99% efficient right now.  I'm thinking to add another tuned loop maybe I can push it over the top.

Once again, this is different then what previously demonstrated and there are no ambient magnetic fields, I made sure of that.

enjoy

EM