Author Topic: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena (Read 74727 times)

sparks · « **Reply #135 on:** December 01, 2009, 04:31:48 AM »

There was some discussion a year or so ago about the cfl oscillator frequency and the effects arising from ultrasonic induced cavitation. Google cavitation and fusion. Implosions etc. Oh and let us not forget the pistol shrimp changing his preys brain to jelly using ultrasonic frequencies. Or imagine a pound of mercury in one of those things jewelry people use. Tell me we wouldnt have a little gain from the current used to vibrate that shit.
Mod Until EM came along I never even thought about what happens when we have a conductor changing dimensions or density in a static magnetic field. Hmmmmm or Hummmmmmmmmmmmm

Gobaga · « **Reply #136 on:** December 01, 2009, 05:27:21 AM »

anything after the power meter on our wall has already been paid for

anything before the meter is "loss" and up for grabs, at least until they find out and tax you for it

sparks · « **Reply #137 on:** December 01, 2009, 05:38:33 AM »

There is this seventh harmonic thing that Electricians have to deal with when sizing mains for a building with alot of flurescent lighting. It seems that there is a circulation of current that is very transient in nature that is created by the ballasts. Poor power companies circulating all that unmetered current due to load transients that their dinosaur current transformers cant catch.

BEP · « **Reply #138 on:** December 01, 2009, 01:17:05 PM »

Quote from: sparks on December 01, 2009, 05:38:33 AM

There is this seventh harmonic thing that Electricians have to deal with when sizing mains for a building with alot of flurescent lighting. It seems that there is a circulation of current that is very transient in nature that is created by the ballasts. Poor power companies circulating all that unmetered current due to load transients that their dinosaur current transformers cant catch.

You must be thinking of the 5th. The 7th is normally no big deal. The 5th is counter rotation to the fundamental and can be the Devil.
This can cause some nasty circulating ground currents and isn't normally metered but the power companies certainly see it and all others.

innovation_station · « **Reply #139 on:** December 01, 2009, 02:22:23 PM »

dont you think you can stimulate the fundemental... and collect from harmonics 1-7

this is soo much like a human body you do not realize ..

ist!

then agin maybe you do ...

turbo · « **Reply #140 on:** December 01, 2009, 07:48:51 PM »

Okay i went to the powerlines to analyze the spectrum

I was happy to find a strong frequeny in the Khz Range.
When i got home i realized i was standing under some street lights

So pherhaps this was the source of the signal....

Tomorrow i will go between the cows where there are no street lights and measure again, although i still think the signal came from them lines..

And even if it comes from the street lights, there is alot of power.
I can see it on the graph because if it's stronger the noise get's less.

Marco.

BEP · « **Reply #141 on:** December 01, 2009, 07:57:47 PM »

Better make sure the cows aren't doing it

Those little hefers can be pretty tricky around here!

dutchy1966 · « **Reply #142 on:** December 01, 2009, 08:49:07 PM »

Hi Marco,

Nice work with the portable spectrum analyzer!! I wondered why you had to modify the PPC exactly.
Is the default setup not sensitive enough and therefore you had to go straight to the AD converter?

From your pictures it seems you're using an internal antenna from a portable radio as a receiver. Is that correct?

Be careful between the cows tomorrow!

regards

Dutchy

Spider · « **Reply #143 on:** December 01, 2009, 09:07:52 PM »

Hi Marco,

Nice job!!!

Enne.... Vat geen cow boy!!!

Spider

turbo · « **Reply #144 on:** December 01, 2009, 09:23:23 PM »

Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 01, 2009, 08:49:07 PM

Hi Marco,

Nice work with the portable spectrum analyzer!! I wondered why you had to modify the PPC exactly.
Is the default setup not sensitive enough and therefore you had to go straight to the AD converter?

From your pictures it seems you're using an internal antenna from a portable radio as a receiver. Is that correct?

Be careful between the cows tomorrow!

regards

Dutchy

Hi Dutchy

I had to modify the ppc becuase there was no input connection available on this particular model.
So i took it apart and used the internal input from the built in mic.
It was close to going wrong so i won't reccommend it.
But it does work great.

Quote from: Spider on December 01, 2009, 09:07:52 PM

Hi Marco,

Nice job!!!

Enne.... Vat geen cow boy!!!

Spider

Haha ik vat nie zomaar een cow hoor jongens

Marco.

stprue · « **Reply #145 on:** December 01, 2009, 09:37:07 PM »

Am I seeing a 1amp spike in that spectrum shot marco?

sparks · « **Reply #146 on:** December 01, 2009, 09:38:57 PM »

@inno

I look at it from a particle wave duality view. If the electron is a tiny scource of wave energy or a tiny whistle. As this tiny whistle is accelerated there are doppler effects in play. When electrons are accelerated in a vacuum so they get real fast we get a blue shift all the way up into at least the xray band. As they deaccelerate we get a red shift back to the energy at rest frequency. The free electron fundamental frequency is unknow to me. This would be an electron not under the influence of any accelerating or deaccelerating force. Tough place to find one of those anywhere in the Universe.

turbo · « **Reply #147 on:** December 01, 2009, 10:02:14 PM »

Quote from: stprue on December 01, 2009, 09:37:07 PM

Am I seeing a 1amp spike in that spectrum shot marco?

No, there is no power in this graph.
This is just from a pickup coil wound on a ferrite rod.
It's not tuned or anything like that.

Yet...

By the way, a 1 Kilohertz tuned circuit would still be quite large in size.....
Unless we start to use iron bailing wire,offcource

Marco.

giantkiller · « **Reply #148 on:** December 01, 2009, 10:26:50 PM »

Quote from: -[marco]- on December 01, 2009, 10:02:14 PM

No, there is no power in this graph.
This is just from a pickup coil wound on a ferrite rod.
It's not tuned or anything like that. Yet...

By the way, a 1 Kilohertz tuned circuit would still be quite large in size.....
Unless we start to use iron bailing wire,offcource

Marco.

The iron is one of the things I was looking at in Smith's cart coil. Big axx ring and few windings at 35.1khz. That would make the wire shorter than the wave length. Maybe the wavelength to wire length was another one of Smith's nonrelevant factoids pertaining to the ring build or valid descriptions and shuffle pictures around like a shell game. I am still gonna wrap the iron ring.

sparks · « **Reply #149 on:** December 01, 2009, 10:30:58 PM »

Iron sure will respond to a lower frequency. Guess that is why they have it in low frequency generators. I always wondered why a piece of steel lost it's magnetic field when you smacked it. Or sent a compressional wave through the material.

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