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Author Topic: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena  (Read 50514 times)

Offline EMdevices

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2009, 08:46:50 PM »
very nice build , stprue,

Did you identify a magnetic frequency first?   Probably not.

EM

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2009, 08:54:04 PM »
very nice build , stprue,

Did you identify a magnetic frequency first?   Probably not.

EM

No I did not, I'm not sure how to???  Can you help me so I can better understand and contribute more to TPU research?????????

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2009, 09:05:49 PM »
Ok, stprue, I'll help you, but if you don't have the equipment I can't help.

A magnetic frequency is detected with a loop of wire hooked up to some amplifier to oscilloscope or frequency spectrum analyser.    As the magnetic frequency oscillates it induces a voltage in your coil proportional to a number of variables such as: frequency, intensity, number of turns of wire, etc..

so if the magnetic field is  B = b * sin (2*pi*f*t)
then induced voltage "V" in a coild of N turns and area A is equal to:
V = N * d phi/dt = b*A*N*2*pi*f*cos(2*pi*f*t) 

Now this voltage can be very small, say 1 mV, but we can boost up this voltage with a resonant coil, by placing a capacitor across it's leads.  If the capacitor is high quality low ESR (equivalent series resistance) then we can have a high Q tank circuit.  this high Q will multiply the voltage as follows:

V_m = V * Q,

that's it, very simple.  So with a typical Q of around 40 to 100, you can turn 10 mV into 1 volt perhaps.

so borrow an oscilloscope or spectrum analyser and go hunting for frequencies and their source, check wiring as that will capture and conduct some of these signals.

then build coils tuned to those frequencies.

EM

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2009, 09:18:23 PM »
Thank you EM I am saving for the Oscope but it will take a while!  How close are you to perfecting your design? Anyways your video was very well done, keep up the good work!

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2009, 08:28:37 AM »
EMdevices
Give please guide how to assemble the device.
I want to repeat it. Please forgive me - I really do not know much English so the translation of electronic.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2009, 09:22:54 AM »
I'm discovering such interesting interactions, I've placed LEDs on my previous two coils and built another one today.  Also, I found a spot where all of my 3 new resonant coils live happily next to each other.   If you notice, I placed a diode and capacitor on the large coil and I get a voltage of about 2.5 V DC, which is not bad at all.  I believe I can charge a cell phone with that.
The pancake coil I built on the base of a CD case, works very good almost better then the larger diameter one, because it's tuned a bit better and because perhaps it's a pancake coil, who knows.  The coils seem to de-tune and re-tune each other as I move them above one another, and also there seems to be nulling and then enhancing of the resonance.  This is an area that needs more exploration.  (Note:  the large coil has one turn bent up because I found out I can fine tune it that way.)

P.S.  You know what I thought of,  what if I can enhance the power by using regeneration like in the old AM radios.  Actually use a small 9 V battery and drive a coil at the same frequency and phase, hmmm?  I got to try it....

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2009, 10:42:34 AM »
You know I'm a beginner not only at the forum, but in the "electronics" and except for a crystal set collected in this school, I no longer worked. I just recently learned about the possible existence of free energy. And I want to collect what a very simple device for generating this "electricity from nothing" in order to make sure that it exists. So please please instruct beginner - how many turns of wire? a capacitor? and so forth. I say thank you in advance. Again sorry for my terrible English.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2009, 02:48:09 PM »
@EM

Saved this just for you. Read the bottom paragraph under the title "What are Induction Loops?".

http://radionics.rs-online.com/mobile/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=4661615

A loop can be many things in a home. All the electrical AC wiring is a loop and all our devices are inside that loop. All the outside electrical lines can also be loops. A TPU itself is comprised of loops with components inside the loop. Just think of the ramifications of mutual loop induction, receiver, muffled audio feedback making pure signals to amplify the original loop signal. Could that work with gain?

Also remember when I posted some picture of the under side of the FTPU center comparing that component it to a microphone coil.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2009, 02:53:59 PM »
VERRY NICE EM!

 ;D

INFACT ...  PROBALLY BEST ON THIS ENTIRE SITE ....  :)

PLEASE DO SHARE MORE OF YOUR WORK ..

WILLIAM!

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2009, 03:40:58 PM »
Hi EM,

Nice experiment, you sure you've not got a sig gen out of shot into a large diameter tuned loop lol! (only joking)

I've been thinking about your regen ideas, very interesting!

To achieve a  regen coil that swings in frequency and phase lock with the radiation source will be impossible if you try to tune a standalone oscillator as an exciter, even if you build an expensive DDS oscillator, the phase will drift.

I think the easiest and best scheme would be to have your regen coil (tuned to the active freq) as an active part of an oscillator circuit. Similar to a JT in operation. But you could derive your base signal to turn off the transistor from a voltage or current sensing coil around the regen coil. Then your regen coil is built so that all wraps pass through the sense coil centre, a pot divider tunes the base signal for the transistor to operate in good oscillation. Now provided the oscillator is tuned fairly close to your source freq it will mantain lockstep and be nicely phase locked.

To make a voltage sense coil just place a high turn magwire coil around the top regen coil wraps (like the small coil on the FTPU top loop)

To make a current sense coil make a Rogowski coil by putting say 50 wraps of thin mag wire on a small toroid and have all your regen wraps pass through toroid centre.

Perhaps voltage sense coil is better than current sense, in a resonant LC the V and I are 90deg out of phase so maybe a current sense coil would need a non inductive delay element to bring into correct phase. If you are tapping into fields far away then it is likely you will be mainly in the voltage aspects (far field). If you are tapping fields close by (inductive coupling) then you are in current aspects (near field).

These are just ideas I've had after you mentioned regen.

Yucca.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2009, 09:17:16 PM »
i have to read a bunch of new pots but anyway nice work EM.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2009, 05:41:18 PM »
Hi EmDevices

Did you Measure the actual frequency of the LED?

What happens when you place a piece of metal above or below??
Dont you think the second coil just alters the inductance from the first, thus changing the resonant frequency, detuning the entire setup?

Also is there any hi current devices on you home lines when this happens?? (washing machine, electric stove etc. that makes the wires in the wall carry current).

Or is it just happening without current in the wires at all?

These are good things to eaxamine!!
Kepp it up man.

NT.

Ps:
Make sure this won't be the next Magniworks rip off, place your tag on the video's as we all should to prevent these problems...

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2009, 07:47:05 AM »
Hi EM,
nice effects.

Did you try it already outside outdoors ?

Doesit really depend on your room electrical wiring ?

Does it come from your ceiling this magnetic field ?

Why does the big coil need to be placed above the small output coil ?

Is that really some kind of lens effect or could it be interpreted also
differently ?
Maybe you tune both coils via the distance somehow
like a losely coupled transformer and thus increase or decrease
the resonance frequency of the output LED coil ?

But why doesn´t it work when the big coil is under the output coil
at the same distance then ?

Hmm..strange..

By the way, how did you design the coils ?

Did you calculate the resonance frequency  of the LC tank
with the fixed cap you have and then winded so many turns
to get it to 25 Khz resonance ?
So how did you know, how many windings of your coils you
had to wind to fit to your 25 Khz resonance ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2009, 08:00:31 AM »
@Stefan,
outside , far from wiring it does not work ! Yes it depends on wiring, I explained that in my previous videos.
Big coil on top is perhaps a lensing effect, yes you're right.
I'm beginning to think the coil proximity is a combination of tuning and lensing.

Design Steps:
1) find a magnetic frequency.
2) find some low ESR capacitors in the tool box and shoot for a ratio of 4 to 1, inductance to capacitance, or bigger, perhaps. (some people suggest inductance =6 * capacitance)
3) once I know the capacitance, it's time to design the coil for a particular inductance.  I use equations to get approximations. 

For example, a circular loop has the following inductance:

L = N^2 * R * y *[ln(8 R/a) - 2],
where,
  N = turns,
  R = radius (m)
  a = wire diameter (m)
  y = permeability
So I plug in the inductance I need to get the frequency I want, f = 1/(2pi sqrt(LC) ),  then I solve for N, knowing the Radius and wire diameter I plan on using, and of course, the permeability of free space, if that is the case.   

4) then I try and fine tune by reducing the wire (so it's good to try and overshoot a bit on the inductance and then scale back by trimming the wire.


Hope that answers your questions,

EM
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