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Author Topic: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena  (Read 52852 times)

Offline Groundloop

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2009, 08:22:40 PM »
@WilbyInebriated,

>>it would be nice if someone could respond to my questions with some substance.

EMdevices has found out that he is tapping power from the EML (electromagnetic
leakage) emanating from CFL lamps. By regulations, the manufacturer of such lamps
is required to put in a filter into the driver electronic so that the EML is lower than
approx. 100dBuV. The leakage that goes back to the power line is called the mains
terminal disturbance (conducted EMI). The oscillator inside the CFL lamp operate
on approx. 25KHz.

Now, 100dBuV is a very, very small power. If EMdevices has 10 CFLs running then
the radiated RF (radio frequency) is only 1dBmV. This is the same as 1.26 mW.
(milli Watt). This is the total power he has available around his coils.

Now, a red led as shown in the images uses (and let us be modest) 1,5 volt 10mA
to light as shown. This is the same as 15mW. In one image he had
3 LEDs lighting, so the total output was 45mW.

Now, Input = 1,26mW Output = 45mW, gives COP of 35 (approx.)

(Please correct me if I have the math wrong.)

Groundloop.


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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2009, 08:22:40 PM »

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2009, 08:24:23 PM »

WilbyInebriated adds nothing of substance to these threads, and only acts to disrupt them.


Are you suggesting Grumpy is adding anything of substance to the threads?????

Think Again.

Besides hes got his own little place doesn't he ?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2009, 08:33:15 PM »
Thanks Stefan.

Okay Willy, your right.

You have to think further then the home wiring with this thing.
The fact that EM discoverd it works on his home wiring does not say this tech is no good because it spins the meter in his house, in this case.

As you know EM Fields are everywhere and at many diffrent power levels and frequencys.
This means there will not always be a meter spinning.
And if there is...it could be your neigtbours meter  ;D ;D ;D ;D
No thats just a joke man...or is it?

If you take a leap into the future you can also realize this can come in handy for recharging or even directly feeding electronic devices or even electric cars.
This way would be much safer to park you car on a charge point in stead of hooking up two dangerous high voltage connectors which wear down when used much.

That's only a quick sumup of the things i can come up with at this moment.
If we manage to extract power with this tech from natural sources it will become one of the finest available sources known to man kind.

Most of the time people do not realize the potential of certian things and they can eventually turn out to be a treasure for mankind.

Marco.
thanks marco.

good joke about the neighbors. :) i take their wifi, why not their mains power? ;)

thank you for the summation. i agree, if with this tech, power is extracted from natural sources, that would be something. by that i mean something along the lines of which you alluded to, "recharging or even directly feeding electronic devices or even electric cars."
until then i will refrain from getting too excited about theft of mains.

@WilbyInebriated,

>>it would be nice if someone could respond to my questions with some substance.

EMdevices has found out that he is tapping power from the EML (electromagnetic
leakage) emanating from CFL lamps. By regulations, the manufacturer of such lamps
is required to put in a filter into the driver electronic so that the EML is lower than
approx. 100dBuV. The leakage that goes back to the power line is called the mains
terminal disturbance (conducted EMI). The oscillator inside the CFL lamp operate
on approx. 25KHz.

Now, 100dBuV is a very, very small power. If EMdevices has 10 CFLs running then
the radiated RF (radio frequency) is only 1dBmV. This is the same as 1.26 mW.
(milli Watt). This is the total power he has available around his coils.

Now, a red led as shown in the images uses (and let us be modest) 1,5 volt 10mA
to light as shown. This is the same as 15mW. In one image he had
3 LEDs lighting, so the total output was 45mW.

Now, Input = 1,26mW Output = 45mW, gives COP of 35 (approx.)

(Please correct me if I have the math wrong.)

Groundloop.
thanks groundloop. i am aware of what you posted, but it's good info for those who are not that might be reading. i could be wrong but i don't think that it is JUST the cfl's rf powering his loads. i think i'll refrain from getting too excited. when it is shown to run out in the boonies it might pique my curiousity...

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2009, 08:33:15 PM »
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2009, 08:39:19 PM »
hey will morf the 2 ...  ;D

grab wifi and power from the free link ...  ;)

typical router is .5 watt...  lot more than 1.2 mili watt

so most routers 2.6ghz ...  marco plh for 2.6ghz?  lol

find lowest harmonic and tune away  ;D ;)


is

or some how make the coil tuned to 2.6ghz  but i think lower harmonics will be easyer ..

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2009, 08:42:25 PM »
hey will morf the 2 ...  ;D

grab wifi and power from the free link ...  ;)

typical router is .5 watt...  lot more than 1.2 mili watt

so most routers 2.6ghz ...  marco plh for 2.6ghz?  lol

find lowest harmonic and tune away  ;D ;)


is

or some how make the coil tuned to 2.6ghz  but i think lower harmonics will be easyer ..
thanks ist, been there done that.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2009, 08:44:58 PM »
i should have known ::)

lol

peace!

w

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2009, 08:53:01 PM »
Well IST  :) we all know that smaller wavelengths have less energy in an equal time frame compared to large wave lengths.
2.6 Gigahertz is quite high when looked at with high power level eyes.
Like you said it doesn't need much energy to travell far and that is why things like wifi and bluetooth and pmr simply work great.
So the real deal here is "how low can you go"  :D
When we are thinking real low frequency, the circuitry to interact with it get's real big.


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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2009, 08:54:42 PM »
All,

Let us look at his newest setup. Here he has modified a 23 Watt CFL so that it
puts out a lot of RF energy. Let us say this particular lamp is 85% good at
converting the input to a usable output. So the unit is outputting approx. 19 Watt.
His lamp is 40 Watt. I do not know if the lamp is at full brightness, but judging of
the color of the light, I would say at least 50% brightness.

Again, Input = 19 Watt Output = 20 Watt, still over unity. But even if it is under unity
then it is a very good low loss method of transferring power wireless.

Groundloop.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2009, 08:58:00 PM »
I was thinking the same, maybe he can power his modded CFL with his coilsetup..
That would be nice. :D


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Give Grumpy back his rights to post!!

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2009, 09:11:49 PM »
looking at his transmitter...  what kind of rays is he actually transmitting he is fireing a cfl 25khz into a filiment bulb as an antenna ..

so  maybe it is emitting something other than a standard cfl  leakage ?

is?

how low can you go thing ...  marco   ...  hold it in your hand  ;) lol you should be able to make this work off your bodys electricty .. easly ..

thats pretty low ...  there are no limits ..   

hey marco the radio active rocks work well i hear ...  :D

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #100 on: November 17, 2009, 09:27:16 PM »
IST,

I do not think the filament bulb is the antenna. 25KHz has a wavelength of 12000 meter.
I think the antenna is the mains lines them self. The filament light bulb is there as
a load to the oscillator so that the CFL electronic will survive and not burn up.

I may be wrong, though.

Alex.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #101 on: November 17, 2009, 09:33:51 PM »
IST,

I do not think the filament bulb is the antenna. 25KHz has a wavelength of 12000 meter.
I think the antenna is the mains lines them self. The filament light bulb is there as
a load to the oscillator so that the CFL electronic will survive and not burn up.

I may be wrong, though.

Alex.
i agree on the filament bulb not being the antenna. certain types of cfl circuits need to "sense" the cfl bulb filaments in order to operate. the incandescent is acting as resistor. i would imagine EM could replace it with a capacitor...

i may be wrong too.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2009, 09:42:18 PM »
IST,

Attached is a typical CFL driver. This particular circuit needs a load between P2 and P6
to operate. I do not have the circuit drawing of the CFL that EM used so it is hard
to figure out how he did his modifications.

One thing is for sure, he can transmit an amazing lot of power wireless.

Alex.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #103 on: November 17, 2009, 10:00:39 PM »
i seem to think that because the electricty flows through a vacume   it emitts something ...


em   can or have you done a 1 wire test with the bulb  and the other wire loose ? on the transmitter ...

ist!

or perhaps an earth ground on the loose one ...  ;D 8)

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #104 on: November 18, 2009, 12:47:37 AM »
Wireless power transmission has been done for 20 years in the cattle industry. A company I worked with came under contract to develop this. It is actually a split transformer application. The primary was at the feed lot and the secondary on the bovine collar. When the cattle approaches the feedrack it is identified and robofed the right mix of suppliments. The secondary coil picks up and powers the unit. Else the device is dormaint until the cattle returns.

What's the big deal? This is old technology.

--gk

 

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