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Author Topic: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena  (Read 50518 times)

Offline tsl

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2009, 09:37:26 AM »
@EM
"1. find a magnetic frequency."

How do you do that? Based on what?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2009, 12:05:48 PM »
Hmm,
so finding the magnetic frequency is involving a spectrum analyzer first
or can you find this on a scope via ripples frequencies on your 50/60 Hz lines
and zoom in with your scope and measure the frequency ?

2. How do you trim the coil wire to resonance,
when you alreay have wounded the coil ?

Does this trick with pulling one wire of the coil  up solve the problem ?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2009, 12:09:04 PM »
So basically this is not free energy, as you extract the energy
from the radiating grid lines...
Hmm, what about tuning to 60 Hz  ?

Couldn´t this be done too with bigger sized coils and caps ?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2009, 12:09:04 PM »
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2009, 03:39:20 PM »
well now ...  ;D

why not tune to 7.8 and put the magnet in the correct place ...  seperated by air gap and a steel plate and turn the flux off and on .. or maybe let the coil do it 4 u  ;D

or tune to 7.8 grab 1 volt and step it up ...

much like coil 202 i scrached my head on for soooo damm long ...

ist!

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2009, 03:39:22 PM »
@EM

I made another ring but again nothing and your directions are a little confusing for me to follow.

I would like to know if the ring wire in a single strand or multi-strand.

Maybe for your biggest loop, is it possible to give the complete build spec, ring wire type, awg, length, LED value, cap value. This may be simpler then for others to replicate.

Maybe one last question or request if I may. Can you do the same calculation with a ring that is only 2 1/4 turns like in the FTPU. lol

If the frequency is relative to the ring diameter as SM says, then maybe your calculation method has some relevance to this.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2009, 03:53:23 PM »
@EM

I made another ring but again nothing and your directions are a little confusing for me to follow.

I would like to know if the ring wire in a single strand or multi-strand.

Maybe for your biggest loop, is it possible to give the complete build spec, ring wire type, awg, length, LED value, cap value. This may be simpler then for others to replicate.

Maybe one last question or request if I may. Can you do the same calculation with a ring that is only 2 1/4 turns like in the FTPU. lol

If the frequency is relative to the ring diameter as SM says, then maybe your calculation method has some relevance to this.

2.25 turns ... now that is damm funny you say that ....

and ill tell you why...

i was working on my advanced ring design yesterday...  im useing 24 fireing coils

2 phases of 12 ... 1 phase  fire at 12 at a  time  .. phase 2 12 fire rappid seccussion .. overlap ..

phase 1 is chugg along mode ... phase 2 is load mode ...

ok when it comes to winding this unit this is where your 2.25 fits my design ...

because of the core i choose i have 5 turn primary ... i chose to rotate the 12 by 5 .. so as it cork screws about my core to induce massive TWIST

AND BY FLUKE YOU MENTION 2.25... LOOPS AROUND THE LOOP ... YOU DO THE MATH ... 12 /5

IST!

INTRESTING THATS ALL  ;D

BTW THERE IS ACTUALLY 24 2.25 LOOPS THERE BOUTS AROUND THIS CORE THIS IS MY MOTOR ...

MY CONTROLLER  DECIDES AS HOW AND WHAT IT DOES ... BUT THE WAY I CHOSE TO WIND IT .. DETURMANS TO A DEGREE THE DIRRECTION OF SPINN ...  AND POLARITY .. 

THE OUT PUT IS IRRELVENT  AT THIS TIME ...

IST!

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2009, 04:34:19 PM »
@EM
"1. find a magnetic frequency."

How do you do that? Based on what?

This is a good question. If I attach a wire antenna or coil to my oscilloscope the yes I will see the strongest signal. But the main contributing frequency will depend on the coil or wire length that I attach to my scope.

A spectrum analyser with a callibrated antenna probe would reveal the strongest peak. But using a scope I would like to know the method you employ, because I dont have a speccy analyser.

perhaps you tried many different antenna lengths and found the highest p2p voltage?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2009, 04:45:02 PM »
maybe this will help ... ali was over to see me last week i have an old marconi tube am radio ... 1930 sometimes...  i may have to take a picture ...

anyhow it is ripped apart on my table ... ALI sees it ... right away she says daddy... that is special ...

she held in her hand the LOOP ANTENNA..

wich is oval ...  pancake style ... 

i said dont i know ALI ...  that is why i have it of course ...

1 end is open .....

ist!

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2009, 07:00:02 PM »
Hi Stefan,

I agree with you, I would not call this free energy, even though it appears to be freely available.  I personally I'm not that excited about it because I have an idea of the source and it's limitations, that's why I did not try to make any claims or go for the prize.     

Tuning to 60 Hz would not be too terribly hard either, just more wire and bigger caps, but I'm convinced by my research and investigations that SM was not tuned into 60 Hz but into one of the higher frequency PLH (Power Line Harmonics) radiating from the high voltage lines behind his house, as I posted in the other threads and showed in my video taken at his house.

EM

P.S.  @wattsup,  multistrand wire has lower resistance/length at high frequency due to skin effect.
@Yucca,  you did not see my previous setups, ...you need some amplification with a current probe otherwise you won't see much on an ordinary oscilloscope.
@tsl, read my previous postings, I answered that question.

So basically this is not free energy, as you extract the energy
from the radiating grid lines...
Hmm, what about tuning to 60 Hz  ?

Couldn´t this be done too with bigger sized coils and caps ?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2009, 07:00:02 PM »
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2009, 11:24:02 PM »
Hmm,
I believe you might have stumbled onto something
that Jason Owens is working on.

He told me recently that the radiation from the stars
and sun is compressing and releasing the earth magnet field a bit
at high frequencies
and that these frequency variations "attach" to magnetic field lines,
when I have understood it right... ( We spoke on a bad Skype connection only,
when I was still tired..)

But he wanted soon to present a new paper about it and is working
on a few experiments and circuit diagramms, everybody can do and verify that these
effects exist..

Maybe you just stumbled upon these effects somehow
and have already worked out the right circuits ?

Well, can you now also have just the big large coil
lighting up an LED without the other 2 coils present ?

Or does it only work, if all the 3 coils lay besides each other ?

Is the 25 Khz you spoke about the largest spike on a spectrum analyzer
or are there also other peaks at other frequencies ?

Are the other frequencies larger in Energy amplitude or lower ?

What frequency has the biggest amplitude ?
Does the frequency vary much over time or is it constant ?

Maybe is there a mobile phone broadcast transmitter on your roof or
in the neighbourhood or a WLAN DSL router  ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2009, 11:38:31 PM »
EM  AN IDEA IM SURE YOU HAVE THOUGHT OF ALREADY .... LOL

HOW ABOUT WE SAY YOUR RING BORROWS SOME ENGERY VIA A RESONANT TUNED WIRELESS LINK .. SOME HOW ...  WHATEVER BE THE SOURCE ..

NOW YOU CAN LIGHT AN LED .. AND I SAW YOU PUT A DIODE AND A CAP THERE ... AND I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAVE A DC FEED ..  FROM THERE YOU WERE ABLE TO MESURE ..  SO WHY NOT SPIN IT ...

TAKE THAT SMALL TINY AMOUNT OF REVCIEVED ENGERY .. AND ACCELLERATE IT  ... SM'S WORDS" EVEN A VERRY WEEK  MAGNETIC FEILD  SPUN EXTREAMLY FAST ...  "

IST

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2009, 03:23:29 AM »
HAAHAHAHAHAHAH STEVEN MARK THE CON MAN!!!!
IT'S A DANM GOOD FAKE THAT'S FO SURE  ;D ;D ;D

I TOLD YOU SO AND THANKS EM DEVICES.

THIS IS WHERE THE DREAM ENDS PEOPLE  ;D ;D

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2009, 03:25:57 AM »
Hi Marco,
what exactly do you mean by this ?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2009, 03:33:23 AM »
YEP WHERE THE DREAM ENDS AND REALITY BEGINS .....  8)

I THINK MARCO WOKE UP IN VEGUS ...

AND DAMM WELL ERNED ... 

 MARCO IS 1 OF THE BEST BUILDERS I HAVE SEEN ROUND THEASE PARTS ...

PEACE!

IST!!

GLAD YOUR ROUND BRO FOR THE FINAL GO ROUND ...  :)

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2009, 05:28:53 AM »
Hi Marco,
what exactly do you mean by this ?

PLH POWER LINE HARMONICS

Steven Mark even goes as far as saying "THE POWER COMES FROM A VERRY RELIABLE SOURCE, WE USE IT EVERY DAY" !!!

The slipperyglibberishtongue speaker.

Hahaha  ;D

Stefan you said it yourself, THIS IS NOT FREE ENERGY.

CASE CLOSED!

IST YOUR THE BOMB MAN !!! ;D ;D H^5  8)

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Lo and Behold.....Don't get too close or you will fry it!!! or yourself!!!


 

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