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Author Topic: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena  (Read 51581 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #105 on: November 18, 2009, 01:50:31 AM »


One thing is for sure, he can transmit an amazing lot of power wireless.


That is right.
I wonder how much power his modded CFL driver draws.

By the way, this magnetic wireless transmission system
could have simular effects to this reaearch and could maybe
be explained by it:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8309

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #106 on: November 18, 2009, 04:05:06 AM »
    Why would we need a 1/4 wave or anything like that if we are tuned to the magnetic portion of the wave.  The receiver is a coil lieing in a changing magnetic field so why would it not induce current when the magnetic field changes about it.  Isnt that how a generator works.  You have a conductor with a changing magnetic field about it.  Radio transmission is always working using the electric portion of a wave because it goes the farthest without turning into noise.  But if you radio in your field or exciter current and it is traveling like a rotor on a motor then we have an air core generator with no drag on the engine.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2009, 05:44:40 AM »
    Why would we need a 1/4 wave or anything like that if we are tuned to the magnetic portion of the wave.  The receiver is a coil lieing in a changing magnetic field so why would it not induce current when the magnetic field changes about it.  Isnt that how a generator works.  You have a conductor with a changing magnetic field about it.  Radio transmission is always working using the electric portion of a wave because it goes the farthest without turning into noise.  But if you radio in your field or exciter current and it is traveling like a rotor on a motor then we have an air core generator with no drag on the engine.

@Sparks

I'd say half a changing magnetic field.

All you need is the other half.

The TPU quest ain't over boys.

Then 800 watts was not chicken feed.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2009, 05:44:40 AM »
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #108 on: November 18, 2009, 05:47:16 AM »
Something wrong with the modify feature??? Sorry Guys.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2009, 01:16:15 PM »
Ok. So, we have possible validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena.

Do we also know now why the controls had to be in the middle? (place the CFL circuit in the middle)

Now just keep adding collectors around the control?

This little xfmr core symbol interests me. Thanks, Groundloop.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2009, 01:22:25 PM »
Well Wattsup, it won't be long from here.

If we can pull 20Watts from a 120 Volt line, we can pull 20Kw from a 120Kv line, no wonder these units vaporize or explode when tuned too close...,and since most poweline voltages are well over 120Kv it will be even more...

New measurement results will be available on monday.

Marco.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2009, 01:25:22 PM »
Ok. So, we have possible validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena.

Do we also know now why the controls had to be in the middle? (place the CFL circuit in the middle)

Now just keep adding collectors around the control?

This little xfmr core symbol interests me. Thanks, Groundloop.

The hysteresis curve... What about it Bep?


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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2009, 01:29:43 PM »
Well Wattsup, it won't be long from here.

If we can pull 20Watts from a 120 Volt line, we can pull 20Kw from a 120Kv line, no wonder these units vaporize or explode when tuned too close...,and since most poweline voltages are well over 120Kv it will be even more...

New measurement results will be available on monday.

Marco.

@Marco,

I'm sure you realize the magnetic field strength has little to do with the voltage level. It is all Amps and wire size/turns.

@EM's 25kHz was from the CFL circuit, not the power lines. The only way you can get that much magnetic field strength in higher frequency from power lines is if that line was DC and you were near a DC/AC inversion station. 


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At the point where it is converted to AC there is one whopping big CFL circuit  :o

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2009, 01:32:15 PM »
      Would the controls be the radiator?  When a diode is energized in reverse bias there is a migration within the crystal of holes and electrons.  The holes have no mass that I know of.  These same holes are in copper silver and gold.  What moves first the holes or the electrons.  Is there a tristate electric field play.  Positive Negative Zero.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2009, 01:32:15 PM »
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2009, 01:41:00 PM »
@Bep

Yes well i just multiplied EM's latest results.
I do realize reality can be somewhat diffrent but it's just that these numbers look great  ;D HAHA
Like i said new measurements will be available on monday.

I looked for the mansion video from EM devices but i can't find it anymore.
I still wonder how close those lines were to the demo house.
The power level quickly decayes when one moves just a few meters further away from those lines, but when you are in the 65 Meter zone things can still be intresting.

Steven did say somewhere he was in an area where they were converting to high frequency transmission so who knows...

So what about that hysteresis curve?

Marco.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2009, 02:18:24 PM »
@Marco,
@EM's 25kHz was from the CFL circuit, not the power lines. The only way you can get that much magnetic field strength in higher frequency from power lines is if that line was DC and you were near a DC/AC inversion station. 

Well shit, it would have been good to know about this from day one since I have been spending time trying to tune a loop according to @EM vague instructions. Had I known he was using a transmitter, I would not have wasted so much time on it. I will now drop it and just keep working on my regular TPU. lol

There are companies doing this already with TVs and other stuff powered by wireless. Anyways what is the point. @EM wants to patent his device so technically we will never know any more about this except for tidbits and we all have a belly full of those.

@Stefan

Don't tell me you banned @Grumpy because this @willynilly jerk off. That guy is just here to create mayhem.

Added;

So why would there be a 20 minute function limit on SM devices if this is how he is doing his little tricks?

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2009, 02:18:24 PM »
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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #116 on: November 18, 2009, 02:29:37 PM »
The curve?

I just never paid much attention to CFLs. I hate them. They are electronically noisy , slow to light and never put out as much light as advertised.

But, they have a designed-in saturation. Why is it interesting? Because such an application can be to create much shorter pulse width than conventional solid state can provide.

Even with @EM's math his coil resonance didn't seem possible without some other tricks not known by most.

@EM,

Did you know the source was short pulse width when you calculated L & C? If so, did you calc to resonate to the pulse width instead of the frequency?

If you did then I applaud you. Most of the best wouldn't know you could make a wire resonate at almost any frequency by tuning it to pulse width intstead of frequency.

This is also very useable in magnetostriction  ;D

BTW: DC transmission lines are horrible radiators of higher frequency magnetic fields. You see, they power an inverter at the inversion station. This inverter is nothing more than a switching 3 phase power supply. Every time one of the SCR/IGBTs fires a pulse of very short high amperage load is pulled from the DC line. The whole length of line radiates  ;)

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #117 on: November 18, 2009, 02:33:34 PM »
i bet they get hot ...

why there 20 min run ...  as hotter it gets more power is dissapated .. ?


congrats on who ever got 800w be careful  i like my friends to be alive ......

william
 

BEP ... there is your kick ... lol the magnetic kick or jump in the wire ... sheesh ... lol hahaha

sure i have seen this tho it melted my wires ....  ;D  really fast ...

and the pace picks up ..  ;D






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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #118 on: November 18, 2009, 06:50:54 PM »
IST

I still don't think the 'kick' is just a switching spike.

Wattsup

The 20 minute problem makes me think there is still more to a TPU than picking up induced EMF. Power line noise would be a good way start things but I still don't see us powering much load from it.
I still think delay, relativistic speed of current and rotation are part of the so called 'TPU'.

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Re: A validation of the UP-SIDE-DOWN phenomena
« Reply #119 on: November 18, 2009, 08:46:21 PM »
the kick is a physical movement of a wire in the presents of a magnetic feild .... the vibration ... of the tpu and its current ...  but i think you get the source to drive such a unit from the sw kick or toroide coil ...


pulse 1 wire past a perm magnet ...  watch it dance ...  find the right freq and melt wires...

lol

ist!

want a video?

see the wire jump when he turned it on ? 

 MIT SHOWS YOU ,YOU CAN DO THIS WITH AN ELECTROMAGNET ... :D  lol

but few have eyes to see unless they are told ...  ;)  it might better be termed magnetic currents ..

 

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