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Offline xee2

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« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2010, 08:59:47 PM »
@ Loner

Thanks for any real information you can supply about Tesla's experiment.

Wow. You have been doing many interesting things. A circuit that freezes a wire is way beyond my knowledge. But, I have posted several simple circuits that will light a fluorescent tube with one wire and I do understand and can explain that process should you have any questions.



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« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2010, 09:06:06 PM »
What is the reaction of water on RF ? If I put a RF transmitter antenna  under water can I detect RF outside ?

Salt water is a conductor and will short the antenna if the antenna is not insulated. Pure water is and insulator and the antenna will work in it (but not very well).

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« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2010, 02:39:13 AM »
@ Loner

Xee2, I would enjoy an understanding of the process.

The fluorescent tube lights because there are some gas molecules inside that get ionized. That means that some of the electrons are pulled off of the atoms so that they no longer have equal positive and negative charges in them. Remember, an atom has all of the positive charge in the nucleus and for each positive charge there is an electron orbiting the atom when it is in its normal state. But if an electron is pulled off, the atom then number of positive and negative charges is no longer equal and the atom has a net positive charge. Such atoms are called ions. It only takes a few volts to pull electrons off of atoms. Sparks are blue because the nitrogen atom emit blue light when they are ionized and sparks ionized the nitrogen to make ions before it jumps a gap. Oops, I am getting off topic. The ions in the fluoresce tube are pulled from one end to the other by the high voltages on the ends of the tube as they reverse (tube can also be driven by DC but to keep it simple lets use AC). The high voltages accelerate the ions to high speeds just like the electrons in a TV tube. These accelerated ions crash into other atoms and emir UV radiation (you will have to learn about that later). The UV radiation then excites the phosphor on the tube which then emits visible light. All of this you probably know, and if not can find using Google. So what do we need to get the tube to light. We need high voltage AC. It turns out that it usually takes at least 500 volts for the tube to light. Once lit a lower voltage will keep it lit. So if you apply 500 volt AC across the tube it will light. The frequency of the AC does not matter. Most of my circuit use AC in the tens of kilohertz.The AC does not have to be a sine wave, pulses will work, even pulsed DC or plain DC will work (but it is a little harder to explain why and I am trying to keep it simple).

Does this make sense so far? You probably already knew all of this but it seemed like a good place to start.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2010, 03:40:16 AM by xee2 »

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« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2010, 05:15:01 AM »
  Below is my experiment.  The 1/4 wavelength of the cb output  is about 9 feet.  The antennae is copper magnet wire.
The coax was stripped and the inductance of the coax extended by the magnet wire.  The shield was just lying around.
Bulb will not light without glass of water.  Higher frequency photons contain all the lower frequency photons and are therefore able to be converted into visible light by photon scattering.  The atomic preference to absorb different photon types allows seperation of photons from a higher frequency (larger photon pack) and invisiblity to the unwanted photons in the pack.  In other words say you are transmitting 10 khz and your matter likes 6khz electron jumping.  4khz will be invisible to the matter and is passed on until it finally reaches a form of matter that likes 4khz jumping.  This second form of matter will then scatter 4kz photons.  The fluorescent coatings in a bulb cause visible light photons to be scattered while the lower frequency photons  just keep on trucking at the original velocity and phase of propogation.  Least that is what I understand about photon scattering and traveling waves and crossovers bandpass torroidal filter chokes etc.

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« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2010, 07:10:12 AM »
@ sparks

  Below is my experiment. 

 ??? Is this something you actually did?

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« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2010, 11:22:44 AM »
yep 

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« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2010, 12:34:47 PM »
@Sparks,

Have you ever blown your finals doing these experiments?

('finals' = CB lingo for PA, final RF transmitter output stage, etc)

Most modern CBs will take a bit of abuse but easily blow if not loaded correctly.

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« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2010, 01:06:12 PM »
I  melted one transmitter down before I used the water.  The water appears to be a dummy load.  The bulb brightness is also effected by any amplitude modulation.  You can see yourself talk.

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« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2010, 01:28:07 PM »
I  melted one transmitter down before I used the water.  The water appears to be a dummy load.  The bulb brightness is also effected by any amplitude modulation.  You can see yourself talk.

Yea. The wire along the light tube and the tube makes for a simple transmission line, the water terminates that TL.

In my CB days (a very long time ago - don't use it much any more) we hung 8ft. tubes in the shack as fun modulation meters  :o

Of course, I had a 'foot warmer' back then  ;D

I needed the light tube because every time I keyed-down the house lights would dim  ::)

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« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2010, 01:32:01 PM »
   Another way to lightup a fluorescent is place one end near the flyback of a tv transformer.  Ground one of the electrodes farthest from the flyback.  More efficient than heating up a faraday cage.  The unit in question didint have any xray shielding anyway so it was real easy to do.

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« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2010, 01:58:22 PM »
   I think there is a little doppler effect going on when we excite electrons into conduction bands.  If an electron is a standing wave it must have an associated frequency of oscillation.  So as an electron moves towards you you get  blueshifts and you SEE ultraviolet.  Wheras when it moves away from you you get red shifts.  The mass itself doesnt have to get all the way to your receiver it is preceded by the emwaves it is transmitting continously as it stands there.
like a train whistle.  The oscillator never gets to you but you hear it change frequency depending on relative motion.

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« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2010, 06:36:08 PM »
@ Loner

I did/do understand that part

Good. So all it takes to light the tube is at least 500 volts AC.

Now the next step is to see that the AC goes through a capacitor. I am assuming that you already know this. What you may not know, because it really is more an RF thing, is that the amount of energy that gets through the capacitor depends on the frequency of the AC. The higher the frequency is the smaller the capacitance has to be for the energy to go through it.

So if 500 volt AC is connected to each side of the tube it will light. And, if a capacitor with a large enough capacitance is then put in series with the tube, the tube will still light. If you have not done this, it is something you should try.

Note that the capacitor is just two metal plates separated by an air gap. So if the capacitor is replaces with two conductors that are not directly connected they will be a small capacitor. So the tube will still light with just two capacitively coupled pieces of metal which could be wires. BUT, only if the capacitance is large enough for the AC frequency to get through.

The capacitor is not an all or nothing thing. The amount of energy getting through depends on the frequency. So, if the frequency is not high enough to allow all of the power to get through the capacitor there will still be a small amount getting through. If not all of the energy is getting through the capacitor then the voltage across the tube will be reduced. But this can be compensated for by increasing the supply voltage.

In the one wire tube. There is capacitance between the tube and HV power supply. If the AC frequency is high enough and the HV supply voltage is high enough then the tube will light. I think this is an important experiment to understand.
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« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2010, 08:46:25 PM »
@ Loner

You can also capacitively couple into both ends of the tube like this.

 A neon bulb does the same thing but only needs 100 volts instead of 500 volts.
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« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2010, 02:16:59 AM »
   I was going to expand my experiment by increasing the size of the wire by replacing the wire with a piece of copper tubing about two inches in diameter.  Then cluster a number of bulbs around it.  Monitor the current flow to the supply of the transmitter to see if there was an increase in current draw with the bulbs in or out of the field of the antennae aka transmission line.  Kinda busy right now performing surgery on electric slaves invented byTesla in his early years.  I in fact worked on one of Westinghouse's first single phase electric motors.  No commutator.  This motor predated the repulsion induction motors commonly used for singlephase motor applications from the 1920's through the 60's when their use fell off in lieu of the single phase capacitor start and run motors we have today.  The motor took the 60hz signal and used inductors of different mass in series connection with the two identical windings inside the motor.  The delay caused by the current flows in the "chokes"  Causes  first one winding to be fired then the second winding to be fired. Creating a rotating magnetic field.    I could not for the life of me understand why the repulsion induction motor was ever produced and for that matter the single phase motors now   in common use today.  I digress but this motor had Tesla written all over it.  Alot of Tesla's patents show chokes between the secondary of the supply transformer in series with the rest of the circuit.  One on each end of the standard supply transformer.  If the rest of the circuit is like that old electric motor of ingenious design then I would imagine that the two lines coming in have already seen a frequency boost before they ever see the rest of the circuit.  The two chokes taking the sinsuoidal output of the supply transformer and converting it to a very high amplitude very low duty cycle input into his transmission lines.  This would allow him to take the 60hz input sinsouid and convert it into very very short duty waves of very high amplitude. 

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« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2010, 02:29:53 AM »
Sparks
So do ya think that the chokes were considered "extra coils" ?  ;]

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