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Offline xee2

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« Reply #105 on: February 16, 2010, 09:14:46 PM »

Transmitting out of a Faraday cage demonstration:

The transmitter is put inside of the 18/8 grade stainless steel container and a loop antenna receiver is put on the outside of the container. Using a 1.5 volt battery it is possable to transmit enough energy out of the Faraday cage to light an LED on the receiver loop antenna.

NOTE - This is not a scalar wave, it is inductive coupling.

video of LED blinking = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ipYKYMQBk



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« Reply #105 on: February 16, 2010, 09:14:46 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: February 17, 2010, 12:06:17 AM »
@xee2

A floating Faraday doesn't normally do the job very well. Have you Earth grounded the can?
Is the internal circuit electrically isolated from the can?

Even with the above, it is possible to induce via charge at close ranges if voltage is high enough.

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« Reply #107 on: February 17, 2010, 12:27:53 AM »
@ BEP

@xee2

A floating A doesn't normally do the job very well. Have you Earth grounded the can?
Is the internal circuit electrically isolated from the can?

Even with the above, it is possible to induce via charge at close ranges if voltage is high enough.

You probably have more experience with things like this than I do. The stainless steel container is floating. Theoretically that should not make a difference, but it is always best to earth ground. Everthing inside is electrically isolated by heavy plastic so there is no electrical connection to the container.

I did this to prove to myself that it was possible and I thought I might as well post the results.

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« Reply #107 on: February 17, 2010, 12:27:53 AM »
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« Reply #108 on: February 17, 2010, 02:03:43 AM »
It is very possible. In fact, I think most claiming LEM transmission confirmation by using a Faraday cage have a faulty cage.

Also, while it is easy to muffle the electric side the magnetic can penetrate almost any non-ferrous wall. This usually means induction is kept to a very short distance. For instance, I believe you said the can was stainless steel. Some grades pass a magnetic field very easily.

The grounding is very important. The energy absorbed by the wall needs somewhere to go. Without grounding, the cage can act much like capacitive coupling.

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« Reply #109 on: February 17, 2010, 02:56:41 AM »
@ BEP

18/8 grade stainless is nonmagnetic. So it is like having a copper container. There is no magnetic shielding. In fact, it is the magnetic field that is coupling through the container. As I pointed out earlier, a Faraday  cage does not shield against magnetic fields.




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« Reply #109 on: February 17, 2010, 02:56:41 AM »
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« Reply #110 on: February 17, 2010, 03:19:41 AM »
      Checkout plasma waves.    They happen at all sorts of freqs. They will setup standing waves at around 5kz due to the electrostatic field between Earth and the magnetosphere and the properites of air.   Tesla would make these plasma things he called brushes in a tube with different gases in them.  When he flexed his arm muscle the brush would dance. It seems that plasma responds to all sorts of electromagnetic waves.  I imagine a plasma exposed to infrared would setup infrared wave length oscillations.  Imagine that.  An ionized gas in a tube converting randomized heating into well defined electrical oscillations.  As the oscillations intensified from the infrared input would the field appear cold or would it appear hot.  I found that the field gets cold because the infrared is no longer being reflected by neutral atoms because there aiint any around they are all ionized an part of the conversion process.  The conversion process is simple.  Space plasma cools off and forms hot gases.  Hot gases cool and become liquids.  Liquids cool and become solids.  Solids cool and become bose condensates.  Bose condensates cool and become black holes.  Blackholes explode and become plasma.  "intelligent" life has no preference as to what form of matter it uses in its organization.   In other words when something chills it gets organized.  Just energy with a different phace.

http://www.hmo.ac.za/old_site/Space_Physics/tut/tut.html

 
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« Reply #111 on: February 17, 2010, 08:26:01 AM »
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Inductive coupling only works at close range - that is it falls off very quickly. I do not remember the equation but I will do some digging. In my test, if the receiver loop was more than an inch away from the container the LED would not light. Magnetic field shielding is much harder to do than electric field shielding. The best materials are high permeability ferrites. Check this site:

http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html

But I think a 1" thick steel plate would be very effective (and very heavy). Shielding against RF signals is like shielding against electric fields. A 100 watt RF transmitter would not be able to transmit out of the container I was using. So your FM transmitter was not a good test. BUT, even high voltage power lines only produce a very weak magnetic field signal 100 yards away. So anything you were doing that could get through a steel enclosure and be strong enough to be receive 100 yards away seems very exceptional.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 08:59:10 AM by xee2 »

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« Reply #112 on: February 17, 2010, 09:22:43 AM »
@ Loner

Tuning to me would imply an RF signal. Inductive coupling is only dependent on current and distance. It can be repeated at some frequency, but that is just how often the switch is closed to allow the current to flow. There is no improvement at certain frequencies.

I sent you a PM.

You might find this video helpful:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t23iXhEiQUc&NR=1

NOTE: his mike signal works because the radio waves from it are short enough to get through the holes in the cage he is in. If the cage was solid they would not go through.

« Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 04:51:13 PM by xee2 »

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« Reply #113 on: February 17, 2010, 11:41:21 AM »
   Ionization is an endothermic process.   It requires heat.  When this endothermic process occurs in open air it collects heat energy from the air.  Randomized kinetic energy is converted into electrical energy.  It's like this.  You have an electron filled valence shell neutral atom.  The entire atom is moving.  When you ionize the atom the electron that is bumped out of the valence shell  by the ionization photon has the kinetic energy of the parent atom on board.  This is not frindge science this is just thermal energy conversion to electrical energy.  You show me a neutral atom that isnt moving round here.  Changing the randomized movement of neutral atoms  into non randomized movement of it's associated parts.  Molecules are even easier to bust.  At any given time the molecules atoms become ionized while the mate atom becomes neutral.  There is an electrical oscillation of the constituent atoms of a molecule between being neutral and ionized.  Stanley Myer was always talking about the resonant frequency of water as well as Keely.  This is what these guys were talking about.   Molecules are said to share electrons.  They are Indian givers.  Give me that electron back no fuck you its mine,  No its mine ok have it for a nano second see if I care,  I got your electron ha ha.  No you dont I just grabbed that bitch up while your were talking.  Then why is it over here whith me asshole.  Becaise I gave it to you and now I want it back  etc. etc. etc.   Meanwhile an electrical current is oscillating at a very high frequency due to electron sharing in molecular bonds.

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« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2010, 09:31:54 AM »
Loner,

I was wrong about inductive coupling falling off very quickly. I have been doing some checking and it actually falls off at the same rate as radio waves.


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« Reply #115 on: February 23, 2010, 08:11:47 PM »
I saw this video on youtube which shows that a metal plate shields coupling between coils. Theoretically this should not happen. I did a test just to check, and the metal did not provide any shielding between the coils in my test.

video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hKidYAuWNE&feature=related

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« Reply #116 on: February 23, 2010, 08:15:51 PM »


Stainless??

Stainless is not magnetic - it wont block the magnetic flux between coils


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« Reply #117 on: February 23, 2010, 08:22:28 PM »
@ darkspeed

Very true. But metal in video was aluminum. That is why it seemed strange to me.


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« Reply #118 on: March 04, 2010, 08:32:13 AM »
@ Loner

Thanks for the update.

I am not a welder either and I do not have an arc welder. So my experience is almost zero at welding. But the heat generated in a resistor is equal to the current squared times the resistance. Thus I would not expect a wire with almost no resistance to generate much heat. I think a spark has more resistance than a wire so by the same equation the spark would generate more heat at the same current. But, I do not think the spark obeys ohm's law, so the equation may not apply to sparks. But a spark is hot enough to light paper on fire where as the wire does not get that hot. Thus the spark is deffinitely hotter than a wire carrying the same current.


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« Reply #119 on: March 04, 2010, 08:37:18 AM »
@ Loner

The CB antenna will not transmit out of a Faraday cage, so I think it is just a matter of how much shielding there is from the foil.

 

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