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Author Topic: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED  (Read 60046 times)

Offline rlortie

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2010, 04:02:15 AM »
Ken,

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I was not talking about your group in the previous post. Just to make that clear. I won't be revealing anyone by name,
Good policy unless you you have a fraud report to make with substantial backing to prove your statement.

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I would like to see circles websites myself. If the websites are available to everyone, could you post them or email them? I apologize to circle, now that I have more information.

Sorry but I will not reveal names either. Circle contacted me in confidence and my integrity will not betray that trust. If you are or were of the Catholic Faith, went to confession and then found it on tomorrows newspaper headlines, what would you think of the priest.

True, the web sites are for public viewing an all is open to those knowing where to look. But for me to reveal  would be in direct violation of my oath to keep all submitted material confidential. I have already said more than I should have in defense of circle's image being displayed here.

If you wish to blame anyone for circle's lack of response here I would suggest you point your finger at Broli.   

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I have decided to build the wheel myself. This does not mean you cannot use my design. If my design and someone else's design is similar, who decides whose design it is?

I assume then that it is alright to borrow from your design providing credit is given where due. The decision is based on mutual agreement between involved parties and a fair judgment of what the percentage of each is utilized.

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If someone has a similar design but not the part that causes it to work, does he receive the credit? I am a little confused on your policy. If the parties involved decide to pool their ideas, does that mean both parties are able to see all design aspects of both designs?

If yours works then it yours as it works! If it is used to augment a design making one then yes both parties will see all and collaborate their ideas into one design considered more efficient than either standing alone.

Remember, by PTO laws only the person or persons conceiving the idea can be named inventor/s. Any person building or augmenting the design does not qualify as inventor.

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I am not restricting the use of my design, but I also do not want to exclude myself from sharing ideas of others who have viable designs. If the right to my design opens a door to do this then I will take advantage of such a position.

Well stated and you will be given the advantage. First you will have to wait your turn for your design to be put though the analysis process. If it is not a stand alone runner, then you be asked to merge your design with another using the best of both.

It is essential to 'Arrache' policy that all participants involved be recognized. If while building a design and in the process an accidental discovery is found, leading to a completely different idea with no similarity to the design leading to it, the submitter leading to the accident will be recognized.
   
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I feel this site has no more use for me and my ideas about the gravity wheel.  Again if you have the websites for circle, please email them or post them.


Sorry ken, first you show sense to know you are not achieving anything here, and then ask me to betray my trust. I cannot give you that which would violate confidential anonymity. You need to spread your wings and find a covey  more interested in your innovative aptitude and less on your 'armchair' social behavior as displayed here.

Yes, I am the kind of guy who will tell you if and when you have bad breath, rather than avoid you! To do this, I have broad shoulders and a reputation built on integrity. Some may not like it but I hold respect for those that look me in the eye and tell it like it is.

Furthermore I do not like it when my text is turned into a hot link for advertising. This in my opinion is carrying commercialism of a so called 'Free Source' forum a bit to far. 

Ralph Lortie
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2010, 04:02:15 AM »

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2010, 04:20:12 AM »
Ralph,   He is not asking you to betray your trust.

He said:  I would like to see circles websites myself. If the websites are available to everyone, could you post them or email  them?

I think he is just saying if Circle is sharing his idea, where can he view it.  :)

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2010, 05:49:14 AM »
Ralph,

If you do not want me to see his websites that is ok.

I also will tell you if you have bad breath. That to me is the only way to be.

I am not interested in getting all wrapped up in the secrecy aspect that seems to surround this. I am into sharing ideas. I would hate to wake up one morning and have to spend time deciding what I can and cannot share.

I tend to shy away from those who secrecy is in the forefront of their personality. Sharing is a 2 way street, and secrecy is contrary to sharing.

I have one use for secrecy and that is when you are giving. Secrecy in giving, in my opinion, is a good use for it.

Secrecy divides. If someone else want to be secretive, that is their choice.
It is not a choice I would make.

Who examines the designs to determine if they are viable?


Have Fun    8)
 


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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2010, 05:49:14 AM »
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Offline Ken the Great

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2010, 05:54:05 AM »
overtaker,

Cool you can send me anything you like.


Ken

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2010, 06:36:42 AM »
Ken,

It is not that I do not want you to see the web sites, its the fact that I promised confidentiality. Frankly I could care less if you found the sites the same way I did. He did not offer them to me.

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I am not interested in getting all wrapped up in the secrecy aspect that seems to surround this. I am into sharing ideas. I would hate to wake up one morning and have to spend time deciding what I can and cannot share.

Its a matter of collaboration between a few willing to mind merge and share productive input to achieve a common goal. A lot of members here and elsewhere have years of toil, labor and expense wrapped up in this. We do not feel it is right to just let all climb aboard the band wagon.

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I tend to shy away from those who secrecy is in the forefront of their personality. Sharing is a 2 way street, and secrecy is contrary to sharing.

And where do you draw the line, If you wish to share give me your physical address, share your paycheck to give me gas money to get there and the wife and I would be more than happy to share your home with you. You of  course will be expected to pay all utility and overhead expenses.

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I have one use for secrecy and that is when you are giving. Secrecy in giving, in my opinion, is a good use for it.

Yes being an anonymous donor does indeed give one a good feeling, but there is a limit as to how far you can extend such gratitude when living on a fixed income.   

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Secrecy divides. If someone else want to be secretive, that is their choice.It is not a choice I would make.

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Who examines the designs to determine if they are viable?

Unless they are submitted to Alan or James I do the initial analysis. If from experience I find it unfeasible I return it with an explanation emphasizing that it is my opinion. If the submitter cannot except negative input then I and only I take the brunt of it.

If the idea does hold merit and leaves question then it is shared on an as needed basis to the team for farther research and or development. Allan and James do not always know who I am working with no more than I know who they are working with.

Ralph Lortie
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2010, 06:36:42 AM »
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Offline rlortie

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2010, 06:56:56 AM »
Ralph,   He is not asking you to betray your trust.

He said:  I would like to see circles websites myself. If the websites are available to everyone, could you post them or email  them?

I think he is just saying if Circle is sharing his idea, where can he view it.  :)

That's the problem, he is not sharing. when I informed him of finding where he had discussed his wheel previously, he was a very unhappy camper and informed me that he was sorry he ever spoke of it.  Having already made an agreement of confidentiality I am stuck being prompted to release that which I cannot do.

We all have access to Google, go for it!

Ralph

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2010, 02:37:18 PM »
Ralph,

I was talking about sharing ideas. What thought process occurred to make the jump to income and housing?

I have taken people in and let them stay until they could get back on their feet. I have paid all the utilities. This however has nothing to do with sharing ideas.

When people are secretive then the flow of ideas is a one way street. This does nothing to further the project. It does however result in the person being secretive ending up with all the other people ideas.

I think at this time I shall refrain from participating. I am officially requesting that you delete all of my drawings and emails with clarifications in them.
I am withdrawing my submittal and all of my ideas from your group.

You have a great day.   8)





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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2010, 02:37:18 PM »
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2010, 06:42:21 PM »
Ken wrote;

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I think at this time I shall refrain from participating. I am officially requesting that you delete all of my drawings and emails with clarifications in them.
I am withdrawing my submitted and all of my ideas from your group.

Where as you have posted this request for public knowledge, I respond in like manner; All correspondence to and from plus drawings have been deleted from a secure folder.

Be advised that any communication which is also public knowledge between you and Alan is not in my control, nor do I claim any rights or responsibilities to such communication.

Ralph Lortie

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2010, 03:47:25 AM »
To all who have been following this this thread and a with special acknowledgment to circle and the moderator I owe a deep apology.

Every statement I have made on this thread regarding 'circle' and having any communication with him is in error. Circle is not the party I assumed him to be.

All my statements about having contact with circle, defending him, and making comments of related web sites was in error brought about by my assumption that he was what is now known to be another forum member who registered and posted within one to two days of each other.

Circle has only made one post and sent me two private letters that left me totally confused until the person I thought to be him, using his given name set me straight on the matter.   

That person addressing me with his given name did not know that I thought he was Circle as he has never visited this thread. Confused over circles private mail which did not make sense to me I asked him if he was circle and he set me straight. I have been communicating with him thinking that he was using the pseudonym 'circle'.

My statements that I was communicating with the true circle are unfounded and him having any web sites is invalid.

For this serious mix up, I humbly apologize, an look forward to getting off on a better start with Circle if he is interested. IF he is it will be only by given name and no pseudonyms. 

Furthermore, I hate this damn forum, I spent an hour drafting a private letter to the real 'Circle' explaining in detail, only to have over half of my response disappear when I hit the submit button.

 I attempted to send him two letters and my sent box is empty when it should contain those two sent letters. I can only assume they were deleted to make room for advertising and text hot-links. Did he receive them? I will never know unless he responds.

Ralph Lortie   


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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2010, 03:47:25 AM »
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2010, 12:32:53 PM »
Ralph,  Your talking in circles.  :)

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2010, 12:54:24 PM »
To all who have been following this this thread and a with special acknowledgment to circle and the moderator I owe a deep apology.

Every statement I have made on this thread regarding 'circle' and having any communication with him is in error. Circle is not the party I assumed him to be.

All my statements about having contact with circle, defending him, and making comments of related web sites was in error brought about by my assumption that he was what is now known to be another forum member who registered and posted within one to two days of each other.

Circle has only made one post and sent me two private letters that left me totally confused until the person I thought to be him, using his given name set me straight on the matter.   

That person addressing me with his given name did not know that I thought he was Circle as he has never visited this thread. Confused over circles private mail which did not make sense to me I asked him if he was circle and he set me straight. I have been communicating with him thinking that he was using the pseudonym 'circle'.

My statements that I was communicating with the true circle are unfounded and him having any web sites is invalid.

For this serious mix up, I humbly apologize, an look forward to getting off on a better start with Circle if he is interested. IF he is it will be only by given name and no pseudonyms. 

Furthermore, I hate this damn forum, I spent an hour drafting a private letter to the real 'Circle' explaining in detail, only to have over half of my response disappear when I hit the submit button.

 I attempted to send him two letters and my sent box is empty when it should contain those two sent letters. I can only assume they were deleted to make room for advertising and text hot-links. Did he receive them? I will never know unless he responds.

Ralph Lortie   

Ralph talking about emails, attend to mine, i have sent you two lol

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2010, 12:54:24 PM »
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2010, 01:01:06 PM »
He did Alex!  He replied to them with me.   ;D

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2010, 03:04:31 PM »
He did Alex!  He replied to them with me.   ;D

overtaker

?? Please no misleading.

Alex

 I was just talking to Ralph and he said he would be responding to you shortly.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2010, 09:47:55 PM »
Hey Alex,   You knew it was a joke right?  Just tieing in to Ralph's above post.  I thought it was funny.
Take care.

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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2010, 10:47:45 PM »
Furthermore, I hate this damn forum, I spent an hour drafting a private letter to the real 'Circle' explaining in detail, only to have over half of my response disappear when I hit the submit button.

 I attempted to send him two letters and my sent box is empty when it should contain those two sent letters. I can only assume they were deleted to make room for advertising and text hot-links. Did he receive them? I will never know unless he responds.

Ralph Lortie   
an hour? how long was your message? it sounds like your response went over the maximum characters per post limit.

did you check the "Save a copy in my outbox" box? if you exceeded the max char limit, who knows what the forum software did with them...

 

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