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Offline Ken the Great

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2009, 06:03:51 PM »
Hello Alan,

Sorry it took so long to respond but I have been busy.
I visited your site and I have to say that is some very fine work you do.

I am impressed, and I am NOT easily impressed being a cynic and all. LOL
Keep up the good work, I love the QUALITY!

I took a few hours off from the requirements of life and drew up about a dozen or so plans for the wheel. Then I put on my thinkin cap, similar to what Einstein used to do. I locked myself in my home office, removed all distractions and contemplated my designs.

After studying them, all but 2 designs will not work. No need to waste time building them.
 
One design will work but I doubt any usable power can be extracted from it.
I made a small prototype out of 2 CD's taped together with some weighted arms, springs etc. But once it started rotating the cd could not handle the weights shifting and the wheel exploded. (Because it was plastic)

Then we have the remaining design. I have figured out what Bessler did.

What Bessler wrote in his pamphlets, along with the other eye witness accounts, like Count Karl. Gives away 99.9% of the wheel design.

Bessler even tells us what the KEY to his device is. I now know why he didn't want anyone to look inside.

It is so simple once you see it you will go DUH!!!!!
As long as there is gravity the device can't help but work.

I have a question, what would you do if you figured out what Bessler did?
I DO NOT want big oil to end up with this. I don't want someone else patenting this to restrict its use. Any Ideas?


and to mr bojangles,,,,no worries:)


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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2009, 06:03:51 PM »

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2009, 08:50:43 PM »
Hello Ken

 Well first you need to have a working prototype that won't fall apart each time you show it. That is where builders come in. Then I have to wonder if you figured out what I have. Are they the same or slightly different. There is a good chance they would be different. But I have seen allot of people come up with the same design as well on other attempts. If you want we can talk on the phone. Just send me your email or email me with your phone number and I will send you mine. I have talked with members here on the forum before and some I still talk to on occasion. The fact that some of us overlook is that the wheel is bigger than all of us.

Hope to  talk to you later
Alan

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2009, 09:56:32 PM »
Hi Alan,

I apparently left you with the wrong impression. I built the prototype in a matter of 10 minutes out of things I had in front of me.

I am a certified mechanic, a certified welder and a master electrician.
There is nothing I can't build. TIME is what I lack. The prototype did in fact work long enough to see the actual working of the shifting weights, which is why I believe it would run by itself, but I also came to the conclusion, by seeing it in action, that the power output would not be very great.

If I had the time I estimate it would take between 40 and 60 hours to build a wheel with a 6 foot diameter, from the last set of plans I have. This includes the time to collect the parts. With help of course the time would be considerably less. However once it is built you must adjust the timing of the device for maximum output. This of course is not included in my estimate.

I am very detailed oriented also, I know quality when I see it and junk when I see it. I apologize for the confusion. I wouldn't mind talking to you when I get some time. I am in the middle of a front end alignment right now on my wife's car, I just came in for a short break.

Well I need to get back to work, I will post again later today hopefully and maybe we can make arrangements to contact you. 

My main concern is that the information remains free to the world, and not scooped up by big oil.

Have a great day



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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2009, 09:56:32 PM »
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2009, 12:20:03 AM »
Hi Ken

 LOL Well then we can talk a fellow builders. ;D The only way to keep it out of big oil hands is to control it by patent and keep ahead of the curve improving it for it will be a handful to protect.

Alan

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2009, 12:40:05 AM »
Hi Alan,

I have been doing a little research and have discovered patents don't really protect the inventor's rights if a big corporation decides to steal it.

Remember the 1 quart metal oil cans, before plastic bottles? A man invented an opener/funnel/top that snapped onto the top of the oil can and sealed it so it wouldn't spill. His idea was stolen and he went to court and his patent meant nothing.

Ever hear of the weed eater? They stole the design from a man who patented it and they too got away with it.

After reading a few of these examples, I have to ask, what is the REAL value of a patent? If a company can just steal it, then the courts let them what is the use?

Its like damned if ya do damned if ya don't.

Check your email

Have a great day!


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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2009, 01:08:18 AM »
Greetings Ken

 PM and email sent.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2010, 02:36:42 PM »
I FIRST FOUND A PICTURE OF BESSLERS WHEEL IN NOV 07
FOR FIVE DAYS I DID NOT REALLY DO MUCH OF ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN ATTEMPT TO UNDERSTAND IT
NOT EVEN SLEEP
MY FIRST IMPRESSIONS WERE GROSSLY INACURATE BUT I DETERMINED THIS TO BE THE CASE, AND FORMED A NEW IDEA
AGAIN AND AGAIN  TILL I WAS OFF IN THE GERMAN ARCHIVES READING 'MACHINEN TRACTAE' IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
AT SOME POINT IT DAWNED ON ME THAT HE HAD NO INTENTION OF REVEALING THE METHOD IN HIS OWN WRITINGS
  AND SO I TURNED AT LAST TO THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED IT FOR THEMSELVES
AFTER RESOLVING ITEM AFTER ITEM I FINALLY FOUND MYSELF WITH A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVICE
ITS NOT COMPLICATED BUT IT MIGHT BE A BIT BEYOND ME TO BUILD IT
IM INTRESTED IN WORKING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS ABLE TO ASSIST IN THE CONSTRUCTION
TO BE SPECIFIC.. THERE ARE ONLY TWO POINTS THAT I DO NOT HAVE AN EXACT FINAL DECRIPTION OF
 AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BE RESOLVED IN THE FINAL STAGE OF BUILDING
THESE TWO POINTS BEING 
1]THE EXACT POSITION OF ATTACHMENT FOR ONE END OF THE SPRING
2]THE EXACT METHOD OF ATTACHMENT OF THE OTHER END OF THE SPRING (EITHER CENTERED AND BALLANCED OR OFFCENTER AND FUNCTIONING AS FULCRUM)
 IM TEMPTED TO JUST MAKE A VIDEO AND BLURT IT ALL OUT BUT THE IDEA OFF PASSING ON WHAT MIGHT BE EARNED DOSENT SIT WELL WITH ME ANY MORE THAN IT DID WITH JOHANN BESSLER HIMSELF
A FEW POINTS THAT IM SURE THOSE WHO ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED..
THE WHEEL WILL FUNCTION WITH ONLY ONE SET OF TWO WEIGHTS
BUT IT WILL MOVE QUICKLY DOWNWARD THEN VERY NEARLY STOP AS IT RETURNS BACK TO THE UPRIGHT POSITION
YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CLEVER TO CAUSE ONE WEIGHT TO LIFT THE OTHER
THINK ABOUT IT
THIS IS AS DIRECT AS I CAN BE
AND FOR SOME IT SHOULD BE A CLEAR EXPLANATION
THE DEVICE IS EFFECTIVLY A MOBIUS - JACOBS LADDER THAT IS SO VERY NEARLY PERFECTLY BALLANCED
 THAT THE ENERGY STORED IN A SPRING IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE CIRCUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN
IN EFFECT.. ITS 'FUEL' IS THE STORED KINETIC ENERGY IN THE METAL OF THE SPRING
THE DEVICE IS NOT PERPETUAL; IT WILL ONLY RUN UNTIL THE SPRING WEARS TO THE POINT IT CAN NO LONGER 'RESET' THE DEVICE
(THE PENDULM ON THE EXTERIOR IS A GOVERNOR)
{THE NON SELF-STARTING DOUBLE THICKNESS REVERSIBLE WHEEL IS SIMPLY TWO EQUAL CONSTRUCTIONS OF 'EIGHT PAIRS OF SETS OF WEIGHTS' SET OPPOSED TO EACH OTHER}

Could this be anything to do with it, (the mobius and jacobs ladder = Mobius Ladder)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_ladder

Is Mobius that word which Bessler said could give away his secret?

Thinking about it you could "climb higher" on a jacobs ladder if it was a mobius ladder, and here is link of a mobius strip for those who are unsure of what properties is has because ive just tried making one and cutting it as it says on the following link and its strange how drwing a single line on the mobious strip draws twice as long as the strip and only has one side...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip


Cheers, Alex

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
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Offline gauschor

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2010, 03:10:56 PM »
hmmm... people talking page after page and mr. circle did not even respond once again. I think we've already had enough of this "SOLVED" miracles.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2010, 04:28:03 PM »
hmmm... people talking page after page and mr. circle did not even respond once again. I think we've already had enough of this "SOLVED" miracles.

Well I don't think hes posted this to falsely boost his own reputation because he hasn't even replied so he cant be getting much enjoyment out of it, correct me if I'm wrong...

Alex

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2010, 04:28:03 PM »
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2010, 09:24:03 PM »
circle may have solved the puzzle of Besslers wheel. However without any type of discussion or explanation, I would have to play the skeptic.

Especially after seeing countless number of people email me telling me how they are all set up to build, they have the ability and means to do so, so I will email the sketches and even some drawings of specific pieces, only to  hear excuses of why they can't build anything. I doubt these people could build anything regardless of time or facilities. They possess no skills.

Why would someone tell you they are going to build something, then once you send the design, they all of a sudden have all sorts of excuses.
The answer is quite easy. It is because that particular person believes deception is the way to go. Moral instability always follows emotional instability.

Of course this is not ALL, but the overwhelming majority. ALL TALK.
(There are a few exceptions, less than 5)

I think that is the problem with why Besslers wheel has not been recreated thus far. The majority of people are all talk. SO if we look at the number of people "claiming" they are trying to recreate his wheel out of the general population pool, verses the number of people who ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, other than talk, we find the actual number of people trying to recreate the wheel is but a handful per generation.

That would be my estimate. 80 generations x 5 people is 400 people in the past 300 years. And these 400 do not get to pool the information or share ideas. Put that along side the mocking and ridicule from people playing the odds and that number of 400 is probably a lot smaller.

1 out of 5 people odds are doesn't have the intellect to grasp the idea. Even though he is trying to build prototypes. This makes the number of people even smaller. Now factor in those whose character isn't strong enough to refute the ridicule. You have even less.

Out of everyone I have spoke with on this site I would say there are only 3 other people besides myself who could actually build this thing. The rest are posers.

I am not speaking of those people who just wanted to look at the design. And were up front about it. They did not create the impression they were going to build anything, whether it was from being worn out or a self admitted lack of skills.

All I can do is laugh when I think of all this. No wonder Bessler acted like he did if he had to put up with the same shit. Same deception. Personally, I doubt circle was even a real person. The hiding of IP numbers on an open source site is the reason why.




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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2010, 12:00:21 AM »
Ken,
You have created an arousal and paused shop research time with your above post.

Circle may or may not have solved the puzzle of Bessler's, but I can tell you his design is not based on Bessler, there is nothing in the Bessler archives that comes close to what ________ (circle) has, true it is a gravity driven concept, but the similarity ends there.

Playing the skeptic IMO is the proper way to address such things as gravity wheel claims and energy from nothing.  I am optimistic of Bessler based  on eye witness reports, at the same time I am a member of Eric Kreig's scam watch, you go figure!

Circle is for real and I have collected 10 different Web site links learning much about him and his design. I am not endorsing any statement as to whether his design is self-sustaining or not, as I have yet to see the full disclosure.     

I am sorry that you have sent sketches to those who claim to be all set to build. I am one such person you sent your plans to. I have made no excuses other than telling you that you have to wait your turn. Your concept as sent holds key elements found in a like design now under build. I have not decided as of yet whether we have a 'conflict of interest' requiring acknowledgment of both designers.

You have been dealing mainly with Alan, his image reflects on me and 'Arrache'. If there is any qualms about this please advise. Excuses of not being able to build because of lack of abilities or resources is not within our vocabulary.
 
We have not told you 'we are going to build', that is not our policy. We offer to look at your design and if we consider it viable, then we consider building it.

Integrity comes first, if your design conflicts with anything already in our possession then there are two choices. We either refuse to involve ourselves or request permission from all involved parties to combine forces. Either way, not unlike sitting in a doctors office you must wait your turn.

If you feel deceived by someone who is willing to gain advantage by deception and you can prove your claim avoiding a slander suit, then it is your public obligation to make the rest of us aware of such dealings.

I agree that the majority are all talk, I address them as 'Armchair philosophers' who are not just about to get up and go build something.

And yes. I agree there is only a handful who actually do something, the rest get their kicks by flaming others on forums such as this.

I for one do refute the ridicule as well as being a builder. In doing so, I ask myself about the person I am addressing this to. Is he another 'Armchair philosopher' or is he a builder with good ideas?   

There are many more than 3 people on this forum who are capable of building your design. I will not refute or rebuff the number of them following this particular thread, that is questionable. Most avid builders would not waste time following this thread. They lost interest after page one. 

As for your following statement, I commend you for your acknowledgment of those up front and stated ' they only wanted to look'
 
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I am not speaking of those people who just wanted to look at the design. And were up front about it. They did not create the impression they were going to build anything, whether it was from being worn out or a self admitted lack of skills.

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Personally, I doubt circle was even a real person. The hiding of IP numbers on an open source site is the reason why.

Circle is for real and two chairs ahead of you in the waiting room. As for tracking IP numbers you can track mine and still be over 188 miles off.

This is not the 'open source' site it is claimed to be, if so I could scroll up and find schematics of your design. It is a forum for trading and or discussing ideas, very few put all their cards face up on the table.

Your words from page three;
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I don't believe this site promotes open source at all but I believe the owners of this site are trying to acquire the work of others for free then will run and steal the information.


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« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 02:48:37 AM by rlortie »

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2010, 12:00:21 AM »
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2010, 12:44:16 AM »
Ralph,

I was not talking about your group in the previous post. Just to make that clear.

I won't be revealing anyone by name, as my post was not directed at revealing people. My post was in reflection of this entire experience, and the games that people are playing.

I would like to see circles websites myself. If the websites are available to everyone, could you post them or email them? I apologize to circle, now that I have more information.

I have already emailed you and told you however long it takes, that is how long it takes. Neither Alan nor you gave me the impression you were ready to build this design. This effectively excludes you from my post regarding people being deceptive.

I have decided to build the wheel myself. This does not mean you cannot use my design. If my design and someone else's design is similar, who decides whose design it is?

If someone has a similar design but not the part that causes it to work, does he receive the credit? I am a little confused on your policy. If the parties involved decide to pool their ideas, does that mean both parties are able to see all design aspects of both designs?

I am not restricting the use of my design, but I also do not want to exclude myself from sharing ideas of others who have viable designs. If the right to my design opens a door to do this then I will take advantage of such a
position.

I feel this site has no more use for me and my ideas about the gravity wheel.  Again if you have the websites for circle, please email them or post them. Thanks





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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2010, 01:13:34 AM »
Ken,   I would also like to know what side of the fence you consider me.

Thanks

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2010, 01:50:19 AM »
overtaker,

Fence which fence? I have a box, and no yer not in the box.

Not yet , hahahaha  j/k

I do not recall you saying you ever had any intentions of building anything.
Did you?

I see you as helpful with the clues, even when I didn't know of the clue.
4 pounds 4-1/4's, 1 pound 1-1/4 clue to be specific.

Helpfulness and deception are not usually from the same source from my experience.

So I would say you are on the side of the fence that is being painted, and not on the side that needs to be painted.  HAHAHHA

 8)

"I can try to be more obtuse, but I can't seem to find the angle."

« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 02:19:06 AM by Ken the Great »

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2010, 02:14:13 AM »
Thanks for the response Ken.   Yes, I did say I wasn't interested in building your wheel before you sent me the sketches.  I do build though.  I have a few ideas I will send you.  :)


 

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