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Author Topic: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED  (Read 60052 times)

Offline broli

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 12:06:47 AM »
Looks like the Bessler-rip-off-circus is in town. Why is it that every time the word Bessler is mentioned the same people come rushing in yelling "give to me me me"...

Circle don't fall for these tactics and only trust yourself, build it yourself, patent it yourself and sell it yourself. If these vultures get a hold of your idea you will be left with nothing.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 12:06:47 AM »

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 12:30:58 AM »
Hmm,
I got a complain,
that ABHammer and Ralph want to convince people not to share
their ideas here and should go the patent way...

Please people, this is an open source forum and
ideas should be shared without patenting.

If you want to go the patent way, which does not bring you money,
but just will cost you money and you need to pay expensive lawyers to
defend your patent versus big corporations, you should go away from
this forum and spend your cash just on the lawyers, but this will
not help the world...

So please don´t try to convince people to patent anything here.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 01:13:55 AM »
Hmm,
I got a complain,
that ABHammer and Ralph want to convince people not to share
their ideas here and should go the patent way...

Please people, this is an open source forum and
ideas should be shared without patenting.

If you want to go the patent way, which does not bring you money,
but just will cost you money and you need to pay expensive lawyers to
defend your patent versus big corporations, you should go away from
this forum and spend your cash just on the lawyers, but this will
not help the world...

So please don´t try to convince people to patent anything here.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
I`m standing also for open source, you will never get a patent on a free energy device. Open sourcing can help everybody out and stick it to the man!!!

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 01:13:55 AM »
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Offline AB Hammer

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2009, 03:59:25 AM »
Hmm,
I got a complain,
that ABHammer and Ralph want to convince people not to share
their ideas here and should go the patent way
...

Please people, this is an open source forum and
ideas should be shared without patenting.

If you want to go the patent way, which does not bring you money,
but just will cost you money and you need to pay expensive lawyers to
defend your patent versus big corporations, you should go away from
this forum and spend your cash just on the lawyers, but this will
not help the world...

So please don´t try to convince people to patent anything here.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Hello Stefan

So broli sent you a complaint? I am sure it is him for Ralph hasn't even posted. Now you know I am more on the fence here. I promote as soon as patent pending, then expose it for everyone to who can build to build. This way it is protected and exposed. broli has crossed the line here with liable slander. Some of the worst I have ever heard. Then he sent you a complaint to cause more trouble.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 07:31:56 AM »
@ Stefan,

Ralph Lortie here; please note the time stamp on this post.

I have just been made aware of this thread and its slanderous accusations.

For a man of your integrity and position, I am shocked  to see your post regarding alleged allegations regarding my character. You were however smart enough to compose it in a non-personal manner.

Broli is someone I ignore, which I believe any one with an IQ over 70 will do.

Consider the source and ignore him. His accusations have no basis, in fact I have not even posted on this topic. It was brought to my attention via a thread on Besslerwheel.com.

You wrote;
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but this will not help the world...

Sorry but I disagree, patenting will help the world. Free sourcing ideas and innovation is the key provided by this forum, hopefully it will expedite the day we see such a machine.
 
Sharing ideas for collaborative mind merging and building is based on ones aptitude, empirical values,available resources, and mainly trust! It has nothing to do with patenting, that is at the inventors discretion.

I have and offer the skills, aptitude and resources to build designs for those that lack the requirements. I have offered this service on a confidential basis since 2002.  Having viewed many designs and built those which I felt questionable or viable. The results are returned to the submitter and it is at their discretion as to what they wish to do with it. I do not charge for this service and only ask for recognition and a monetary value on a contingency basis. No runner, no money, nothing lost but my time and resources.

You may recall a thread started on this forum by Peter Lindemann regarding his wheel design base on pendulums. It is now a known fact that I researched his design two years before he open sourced it here.   

For clarity I will attempt to explain why I believe patenting is the correct action to take;

 If you literally free source the design, big money will jump on it, make a few changes and patent it. The energy will be sold to the consumer as "Green Renewable Energy" and end up paying more per kilowatt hour than they are paying for fossil fueled generation. I make this point using wind and solar as an example. I pay more for wind generated power than I do for hydro-electric, politics has managed to evade the acknowledgment that hydro is also a renewable power. For that I am thankful as I do not have to pay more per kilowatt block for wind power.   

The only consumer gaining an advantage due to free sourcing is those with skills and resource to build one for their own use. The average home owner will gain nothing except an increase in his monthly power bill. 

If the inventor were to patent the device thus keeping control he could sell for less, help others gain from the device and become the worlds most renown philanthropist.

Allegations placed on my character by broli are unfounded and open for legal dissertation under civil action known as a 'Tort'

I wish to thank all the members who have come to my defense over this issue.  My integrity stands and I will not let it falter.

Without realizing it, broli is getting the word out about me better than any advertising campaign I could imagine! :-)

Respectfully,

*Ralph Lortie
*note; no pseudonym required here.         

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 07:31:56 AM »
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Offline rlortie

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2009, 08:10:15 AM »
Circle,

I have spoke my piece and with all due respect I would like to see this thread returned to you and the subject you authored. I suggest ignoring broli as he is playing both ends hoping to come out in the middle.

Obviously we would all like to know more of your design and ideas. The path you choose will be of your own making. There are numerous members here with skills and aptitude for your collaborating needs.

If you think your design is worthy of a trial and error build and you do not have the resources to do so, simply find a builder here that you feel comfortable working with in a confidential manner.

Now I am going back to page 1 and review your opening post.

Ralph Lortie
 

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2009, 11:58:09 AM »
Ralph the day you see a working wheel not invented but built by you, will be the day human greed peaks on this planet. "Trust me". Sure I'll trust a person who's obsession is the Bessler wheel for decades. Sure I'll trust a person who's main goal is to cash in on the invention so he can live happily ever after in his beach house. Sure I'll trust someone who repeats the fact that the energy cartel must loose all control so he can gain it, with his non existant lawyer army I must add.

You got the IQ thing wrong, there's no way an intelligent person would trust you. You say all you do is ask money if it works...wait what? So let me get this straight, you get the whole idea in your hands, become the first to built and test it, and then take it hostage by asking money for it? For someone supporting patents that's the most stupid suggestion I've heard.

Ralph you made yourself look like this imaginary emperor on the Internet but sadly you are just a poor old man who'll do anything to find the Bessler wheel. Including convincing gullible people to "trust" you in giving their invention to the holy pope that is known as ralph. You are not after sharing free energy with the world, you are in the wrong area for that. You are simply after bringing out the first perpetual motion wheel since Bessler on your own name.

Being exposed as the person you truly are can be slanderous indeed. Better luck next time.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2009, 11:58:09 AM »
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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2009, 02:30:53 PM »
ya'll bloodied his nose he probably wont be back.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2009, 06:01:10 PM »
Dave45; If this Ralph won't come back. It would be due the this broli is not worth his time. Would you talk to what you left in the toilet? or just flush it? If you noticed this Ralph never talked to broli. LOL

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2009, 08:24:27 PM »
I have this thread bookmarked, probably won't post much unless circle decides to expand on his design or Stefan has a response to my input.

IMO we have probably seen the last of 'circle' at least on this thread. I have objective reasoning to believe he will go 'private'

broli turned what could have been a constructive thread in to meaningless allegations and slander to appease his personal vendetta. I am surprised at how fast he changed from an adamant 'free sourcer' to patenting, only to support his personal allegations. I am sure that we have not heard the last of him.

What is funny about this is that Stefan mentions Alan and I by name for promoting patent procedures while the alleged complainer is vividly doing the same thing!  ???

Ralph

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2009, 09:05:22 PM »
craZy wrote:

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I`m standing also for open source, you will never get a patent on a free energy device. Open sourcing can help everybody out and stick it to the man!!!

Sorry but you are in error: There is definitely a sub class for gravity and Perpetual Motion devices in the PTO registrar. The catch is, you must present a working model before the Patent Appeals Board providing  it gets rejected by the examiner receiving your submitted application.


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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2009, 06:54:41 PM »
This is interesting, shame the subject isnt progressing, using just two weights to keep a wheel moving seems fine to me because if two cant do it then adding more weight will just make the wheel heavier, maybe part of it works like MT 18 except that when the weight bends the spring in on the ascending side, another weight lifts the spring fulcrum up to regain the distance loss so when the spring flips the weight up it just about arrives back at the starting point ready to repeat...

Just a thought

Alex

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2009, 01:51:44 AM »
Well as far as i see all technology has been sent by good god..it is too obvious to me by keely and teslas and some of einsteins comments.

10,000s of this stuff and really yea have been suppressed and yea all deals with the switching technique.

If any of you have done the impotep fan which deals with the switching technique, please realise it is in every and everything interacts with the vaccum and the vaccum is infinity and is instantaneous and is without beginning and is without end and that is all there is too it.

You can argue all day but what you don't know is that this world is ran by extremely evil people in the vatican ;).

It deals with the magic 3 in everything, metaphorically and had a debunker come in with his mind microphone and told me to shut up because i was open minded but realistic.

These videos like the Mikovic gravity wheel is acting like that switch you see in circuits and if you look closely you will see an incomeing force and that is why it runs and the person who replicated it, did it correctly and really no he did not edit the video frame bit by bit and the sound which is just too unrealistic and sad and no, extremely unlikely anyone would bother with that when people like this are grumpy about it.

But to tell you the truth about the void energy from the vaccum it is less than nothing, yet more than anything is, just like those spins...these spins are the secret as to how everything has the power to create mass out of nothing but yea and please what is sustaining your monitor and everything around you has an unbalanced force sustaining it which is mass free.

You have to study the very old stuff because really i avoid todays dumbed down nature like the plague.

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2009, 02:51:04 AM »
This is interesting, shame the subject isnt progressing, using just two weights to keep a wheel moving seems fine to me because if two cant do it then adding more weight will just make the wheel heavier, maybe part of it works like MT 18 except that when the weight bends the spring in on the ascending side, another weight lifts the spring fulcrum up to regain the distance loss so when the spring flips the weight up it just about arrives back at the starting point ready to repeat...

The subject may not be progressing on this forum. As moderator if you review what has transpired you can see why.

'Circle' made one post regarding his design, the response was not what he expected, he has simply been driven into deeper apprehension of who to trust and what path to follow.

It is my opinionated guess that we have not heard the last from him. It will take time, he has some major decisions to face, decisions that he should consider larger than any member here can influence.

Ralph Lortie

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Re: BESSLER WHEEL SOLVED
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2009, 03:19:15 PM »
I FIRST FOUND A PICTURE OF BESSLERS WHEEL IN NOV 07
FOR FIVE DAYS I DID NOT REALLY DO MUCH OF ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN ATTEMPT TO UNDERSTAND IT
NOT EVEN SLEEP
MY FIRST IMPRESSIONS WERE GROSSLY INACURATE BUT I DETERMINED THIS TO BE THE CASE, AND FORMED A NEW IDEA
AGAIN AND AGAIN  TILL I WAS OFF IN THE GERMAN ARCHIVES READING 'MACHINEN TRACTAE' IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
AT SOME POINT IT DAWNED ON ME THAT HE HAD NO INTENTION OF REVEALING THE METHOD IN HIS OWN WRITINGS
  AND SO I TURNED AT LAST TO THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED IT FOR THEMSELVES
AFTER RESOLVING ITEM AFTER ITEM I FINALLY FOUND MYSELF WITH A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVICE
ITS NOT COMPLICATED BUT IT MIGHT BE A BIT BEYOND ME TO BUILD IT
IM INTRESTED IN WORKING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS ABLE TO ASSIST IN THE CONSTRUCTION
TO BE SPECIFIC.. THERE ARE ONLY TWO POINTS THAT I DO NOT HAVE AN EXACT FINAL DECRIPTION OF
 AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BE RESOLVED IN THE FINAL STAGE OF BUILDING
THESE TWO POINTS BEING 
1]THE EXACT POSITION OF ATTACHMENT FOR ONE END OF THE SPRING
2]THE EXACT METHOD OF ATTACHMENT OF THE OTHER END OF THE SPRING (EITHER CENTERED AND BALLANCED OR OFFCENTER AND FUNCTIONING AS FULCRUM)
 IM TEMPTED TO JUST MAKE A VIDEO AND BLURT IT ALL OUT BUT THE IDEA OFF PASSING ON WHAT MIGHT BE EARNED DOSENT SIT WELL WITH ME ANY MORE THAN IT DID WITH JOHANN BESSLER HIMSELF
A FEW POINTS THAT IM SURE THOSE WHO ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED..
THE WHEEL WILL FUNCTION WITH ONLY ONE SET OF TWO WEIGHTS
BUT IT WILL MOVE QUICKLY DOWNWARD THEN VERY NEARLY STOP AS IT RETURNS BACK TO THE UPRIGHT POSITION
YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CLEVER TO CAUSE ONE WEIGHT TO LIFT THE OTHER
THINK ABOUT IT
THIS IS AS DIRECT AS I CAN BE
AND FOR SOME IT SHOULD BE A CLEAR EXPLANATION
THE DEVICE IS EFFECTIVLY A MOBIUS - JACOBS LADDER THAT IS SO VERY NEARLY PERFECTLY BALLANCED
 THAT THE ENERGY STORED IN A SPRING IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE CIRCUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN
IN EFFECT.. ITS 'FUEL' IS THE STORED KINETIC ENERGY IN THE METAL OF THE SPRING
THE DEVICE IS NOT PERPETUAL; IT WILL ONLY RUN UNTIL THE SPRING WEARS TO THE POINT IT CAN NO LONGER 'RESET' THE DEVICE
(THE PENDULM ON THE EXTERIOR IS A GOVERNOR)
{THE NON SELF-STARTING DOUBLE THICKNESS REVERSIBLE WHEEL IS SIMPLY TWO EQUAL CONSTRUCTIONS OF 'EIGHT PAIRS OF SETS OF WEIGHTS' SET OPPOSED TO EACH OTHER}

Correct me if I'm wrong but his wheel works like the following:

Two weights start to fall CW from the top of the wheel, the weights swing past the 6 o clock position and then start to climb up the other side of the wheel then the spring that is attached to the weight flings the weight up with the assistance of the second weight at the 10 o clock position covering that extra bit of height (10 - 12) that weights normally don't reach without this assistance allowing the cycle to repeat but with a stronger impulse each time?
If this is correct then it brings up a contradiction with a claim made by Bessler saying: "On one side it is heavy and full; on the other empty and light, just as it should be."

Alex


 

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