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Offline Russell Lee

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Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« on: October 31, 2009, 03:56:48 PM »
I would like to present the correct address for the free energy gravity motor known as the Pinwheel Generator.  It is   www.squidoo.com/pinwheelgenerator .
                                    Thank you,
                                             Russell Lee

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 06:15:39 PM »
I would like to present the correct address for the free energy gravity motor known as the Pinwheel Generator.  It is   www.squidoo.com/pinwheelgenerator .
                                    Thank you,
                                             Russell Lee

Hi Russell.

could you make an animated function of how this is supposed to work?

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 07:25:36 PM »

I don't think this will work. If weight of the lowest ball can shove most of the liquid
into the reservoir above it, then the weight of that ball will then have to be lifted over
a much longer lever arm then the upper ball. In effect, it will be equivalent to an
overbalanced wheel running in reverse.

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 07:25:36 PM »
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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2009, 09:07:24 PM »
  MS.  I'm not sure you are getting the functioning of this mechanism.  When the bottom weight ball arrives at the bottom of it's cylinder, most all of the liquid that was in the bottom cylinder has been pressed into the upper cylinder.  As the weight of the bottom ball presses down on the unlocking spring arm it loads that spring with it's weights worth of energy.  When it unlocks the mechanism, the spring arm's energy pushes the bottom cylinder away to rotate the bottom cylinder away and to the left.  At the same time, because there is two times as much weight in the full right-side cylinder with the liquid AND the ball as there is in it's opposite empty left-side cylinder, it's weight also contributes to rotating the mechanism ONLY 90 DEGREES to where the former right side cylinder is now at the bottom position (with it's weight ball now descending to push it's liquid up to it's opposite empty upper cylinder).  Also, as the spring are begins to push out the now liquid empty bottom cylinder, as the rotation begins, as the mechanism starts to rotate, the weight in the full upper cylinder now also contributes to rotate the whole mechanism-it being twice the weight of the empty bottom cylinder now being pushed out.  So there are three forces rotating the mechanism just 90 degrees: 1) The spring arm's energy. 2) The weight of the full right-side cylinder. 3) The weight of the full upper cylinder.  All against the empty bottom cylinder, and all just rotating the mechanism 90 degrees.   -Russ
I don't think this will work. If weight of the lowest ball can shove most of the liquid
into the reservoir above it, then the weight of that ball will then have to be lifted over
a much longer lever arm then the upper ball. In effect, it will be equivalent to an
overbalanced wheel running in reverse.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2009, 09:10:47 PM »
Cuttingedge,  I wish I could, I'm don't know enough about computers to be able to do that.  Sorry.    Russ
Hi Russell.

could you make an animated function of how this is supposed to work?

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
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Offline Russell Lee

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 06:32:14 PM »
Jim,  This is the very reason why this design has been given to the world with the full description of how it works-to announce a practical solution to the world's energy problems.  A gravity motor is free energy, fueless, pollutionless. 
  Even in space travel it represents a never-ending energy supply when it is within a rotating space station whose rotation is producing centrifugal force=artificial gravity.  Many pinwheel generators on the outside levels of the cylindrical station would produce enough energy both to power the station, and keep it rotating.
  This generator, although maybe not absolutely effecient, doesn't need to be if it is producing free electricity- there is no loss.  Two poorly producing free enegy generators still are the answer over ANY other system that requires an outside source to operate (fuel, wind, sun, river, etc..).    -Russ
  Hi Russel,
 I did a quick look through Bessler's drawings the other day.
He has a wheel like that among his drawings.
 I think he included a pumping mechanism that could work both ways on both ends.


                                                        Jim

edited to add, actually missed something about your design. Pumping water up hill is very inefficient.
A simple overunity wheel would have 3 weights and 3 bladders. When one bladder is moving towards bottom center, a weight would compress it. at the same time, the weight would pull down on the bladder behind it. This would create pressure in one bladder and vacuum in another.
 And by using a flow control device like a check valve, the water could only flow one way. This would also keep the water on one side maintaining a constant imbalance.
 Who knows, maybe someone might be willing to try this. It should be an easy build. It would basically be set up like a 3 bladed propeller. This also means there would be 2 lines per bladder. One to the one in front of it and one to the one behind it.

edited to add,
 Look at Mt 69. by having weights on bladders, something is pumped/vacuumed to the top. I think he did many drawings based on what he knew.
 Sometimes think he should have made known how his wheels worked at that time. He might have found people would have been more appreciative of his discovery.
 It could be that in the long run, while ti is interesting engineering, it really has no practical value. And  I think this is why he might have been bitter.

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 04:43:54 PM »
Jim,  I understand the point you are making.  Imagine the weight ball weighing 25,000 lbs (or 50,000).  The pressure of the liquid under this weight would be sufficient to turn the wheel to turn a generator, or water pump, or whatever.  One plate is missing form the squidoo site and that is the one that shows an air transfer pipe leading from one cylinder to the cylinder opposite to it.  This pipe allows for the air being displaced by the filling of the upper cyninder to enter the lower cylinder as the lower cylinder's weight ball is descending-creating a vacuum above it.  There is another free energy gravity motor/generator called the Heavy Float Pump Generator but is not right now on the web.  Maybe soon it will be back up.  It is one that can be built in one's back yard using common materials.  This Pinwheel Generator requires moderate industry to fabricate.    -Russ
  Hi Russ,
 It is known that if when in space, a round piece of iron and a round magnet are together, they will rotate.
 One of the things I did not mention about pumping water is something that can be observed with your garden hose.
 When it is a spray, it is a convergent nozzle. When it is a stream that generates force, it is a convergent/divergent nozzle.
 What would need to be considered with your idea is would force be lost when water goes against gravity and is not bound by piping.
 In some ways, how hydro power plants develop power would be consistent with what you are thinking. They use static heads. While most people see the large reservoirs behind them, it is the static head that is the force they use. Think if you controlled the flow of a water fall, every 33 feet of elevation would increase the water pressure by 14.2 psia.
 A 165 foot tall water fall would have 71 psi(a).

                                                             Jim     

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 11:06:03 PM »
Using the drawings I found on your squidoo site, I tried to sketch out a  drawing of what this machine would look like if it were built. It is incomplete because I haven't yet figured out what the spring lock mechanism would look like, but would you please look over what I have so far & let me know if I got it right. Also, if you could explain more about this spring lock mechanism, I might be able to conceptualize it.

Al

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 05:50:30 PM »
Al, excellent graphics!  The spring lock mechanism works as follows:  When the weight ball arrives at the mechanism it depressed the two outside locks that hold up the top plate so that the liquid pressure won't depress it.  When the top plate is unlocked, the weight ball will depress it causing the vertical arm within the mechanism's body to be pushed down.  This will bring in the two locking arms (with little rollers on them) that are being held out to lock in place the whole mechanism cylinder (to keep it up).  Once the two locks are brought in, the whole mechanism cylinder (that is fitting within the casing) will be able to be pushed down by the weight ball enough to unlock the whole cylinder so that it can rotate.  As it pushes down the unlocking mechanism, it will also be compressing the spring in the spring arm below it so that when the unlocking mechanism descends low enough to unlock (pass through the stop gate) the energy in the compressed spring will assist in rotating the whole generator mechanism 90 degrees to begin the process again.  Please include the spring arm mechanism in your graphics also.  I'm sorry the sketches aren't that great.  The whole unlocking mechanism is a cylinder with inside locks that fits inside the casing of it's weight ball cylinder.  I hope this helps.  I travel around the country promoting this generator and my website Archive.org: Godproven.com  so I can only get to the computer to check my e-mails sporatically.  I apologize for the delay in responding to your message.
-Russ
Using the drawings I found on your squidoo site, I tried to sketch out a  drawing of what this machine would look like if it were built. It is incomplete because I haven't yet figured out what the spring lock mechanism would look like, but would you please look over what I have so far & let me know if I got it right. Also, if you could explain more about this spring lock mechanism, I might be able to conceptualize it.

Al

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 06:00:46 PM »
Jim,  As the weight ball creates the vacuum there is a pipe that connects the upper and lower cylinders so as the air from the cylinder above is being pressed out of that cylinder by the incoming liquid, the vacuum created by the descending ball is drawing it into the lower cylinder.  The top cylinder can only fill as quickly as the bottom one empties.  There really is no real timing problem, and the air is transfered evenly.  When the ball gets to the bottom the whole thing rotates 90 degrees to begin the process anew.  -Russ
  Hi Russel,
 There is one thing I don't think you're considering.
 When the heavy ball drops to create a vacuum, it is also shifting the balance.
This is why in the other thread I said that something like a bellows would be likely to work.
What is more efficient than the standard bellows design is what the Chinese used about 2,000
years ago. It's a round cylinder that compresses like an accordion. It allows for more volume to
be pumped quicker.
 What also could be a problem is the timing of the pumping action. When the weight drops creating the vacuum, is it shifting the balance of the fluid being pumped to soon ?
 It does take a while to go over all of the engineering and cab be a big headache at times.


                                                                                                Jim

edited to add;
 Alleysaurus shows what an advanced design might look like. It is something to think about   :)

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 06:05:33 PM »
P, you can go bowling in a space station that has artificial gravity that is the centrifugal force being produced by the station's rotation.
  Hi Russ,
 I thought I would mention why a rolling device such as you've posted might not work.
The space station doesn't have a place where something can roll freely.

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2009, 06:44:15 PM »
Alley,  Just tried to send you a message but I don't think it worked so I'll send this comment.  I think if the flywheel is going to be this big, the cylinders will need to be 50% longer, and twice the width (diameter).  -Russ
Using the drawings I found on your squidoo site, I tried to sketch out a  drawing of what this machine would look like if it were built. It is incomplete because I haven't yet figured out what the spring lock mechanism would look like, but would you please look over what I have so far & let me know if I got it right. Also, if you could explain more about this spring lock mechanism, I might be able to conceptualize it.

Al

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2009, 09:52:56 PM »
Alley,  Just tried to send you a message but I don't think it worked so I'll send this comment.  I think if the flywheel is going to be this big, the cylinders will need to be 50% longer, and twice the width (diameter).  -Russ

Russ,
What if I make the flywheel smaller?
-Alley

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 04:23:02 PM »
Al,
  Reducing the flywheel's diameter by 50% will work too.  Just keep in mind the bigger the cylinders, the greater the water pressure is to turn the flywheel. 
               -Russ
Russ,
What if I make the flywheel smaller?
-Alley

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Re: Free energy gravity motor: Pinwheel Generator
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2009, 06:43:02 AM »
Al,
  Reducing the flywheel's diameter by 50% will work too.  Just keep in mind the bigger the cylinders, the greater the water pressure is to turn the flywheel. 
               -Russ
Russ:
I got the flywheel fixed but I'm still having trouble with the spring lock mechanism. You have 3 side views drawn, but without a front view of it I can't figure out how it is mounted. Any suggestions? Also, I found your message in the personal messages box and sent a reply. did you receive it?
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