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Offline beedees

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Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« on: March 10, 2006, 12:11:12 AM »
Hello all, I found this site by accident after getting kicked off ( I guess) of another board. What I was wondering, has anybody really considered the ramifications of success in what we are sll trying to do here? What will happen to the worlds economy, is seemingly overnight. if  energy is free(or at least dirt-cheap)? Has anybody really created a viable magnet motor, or a self-powered generator? Is getting a patent on any such device worth the trouble, or is it possibly a short-cut to a shallow grave somewhere? If anybody feels I'm out of line here, say so and I'll shut up and fade away. BTW, I feel strongly that such devices ARE possible. ???

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Offline Clara Listensprechen

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2006, 04:34:48 AM »
I for one have considered the economic impact of free energy, right down to the quantity and quality of what energy may be free, and drawing the limit at retrogression to the stone age, as certain skeptics believe should be required.

It takes energy to obtain materials of any sort, period--even those required for these projects.  It takes energy to drill thru rock to get at the petrol we currently use and I don't hear any skeptic whining about THAT cost.  Me, I look at it in terms of "free compared to what we're doing now for energy".

I also look at the balance sheet by considering waste management.  Garbage is a problem and I consider the making of use of what we already have as being not just "free" but a reduction in the costs of managing waste.  Utilizing what already exists as byproduct isn't just "free" but it gets us ahead.  The iron and the copper in the scrap yard has already had energy put into its mining and refinement, only to get tossed aside and be considered a disposal problem.  Picking up already-refined iron, copper, etc. isn't an energy cost--it is a reduction in waste management costs.

The economic impact of free energy in the small amounts already proposed here is not something I expect can sustain our currently energy-bloated economy but it CAN reduce the need for wall-warts.  I don't know if this need for wall warts (adapter transformers) sounds as ridiculous to you as it does to me, but I see NO legitimate reason to supply the house with 220 vac and then run some kind of 12v gizmo off of that.  People out on the road in RVs can live complete lives off of just 12v systems, fer cryin' out loud.

Leave the ever-increasingly precious petrol for industry and live your life on your own power.  What the hey.

Offline Advanctech

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2006, 11:17:34 PM »
You are not alone. I feel the same. You are not out of line.

Advanctech
« Last Edit: March 29, 2006, 02:14:50 AM by Advanctech »

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Offline _GonZo_

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2006, 12:04:43 AM »
Sun Light and heat is free, wind energy is free, waves energy is free, etc...

But you still will have to pay your electricity invoice in a country that all electric energy comes from those "free source"...

This means that there will be an impct in economy if another "free energie source" apears on the market bt nothing that the world not will be able to overcome, some will loose money and others will earn it instead... just another change.


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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2006, 04:11:36 AM »
i agree just another change in a world full of changes. the economy would suffer but would recover. nothing good really ever came without a little suffering. many people would loose their jobs and such but how many more would be created. a self powered generator would require installation and maintenance and such. not to mention if electricity were free then most people wouldn't have to work so hard (of course somebody would jack up their prices ** city water, gas, rent, lower payrates** as a result of the lowered electric generated economic income. <---- to many big words) ok im gonna stop before my brain goes numb!

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tjanzer

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2006, 05:27:11 AM »
Is getting a patent on any such device worth the trouble, or is it possibly a short-cut to a shallow grave somewhere? If anybody feels I'm out of line here, say so and I'll shut up and fade away. BTW, I feel strongly that such devices ARE possible. ???

beedees

I have only been on this board for a little while and have tried to read most of the threads. I believe, like a lot of others on this board, that the only way to get the word out on OU devices is to post all the information required for others to replicate it. This way, the powers to be could not shut all of us up. They could not discredit the inventor if it has been successfully replicated by others. Also, I feel that a patent is useless these days as we have the internet to share our information. In days past such as Tesla's time, if he did not patent his work we would have a lot of extra work to do for ourselves. Also to have a patent these days will only give you the right to sue the person who stole your invention. ME vs FORD MOTOR COMPANY. I wonder who has more time and money.

Just my thoughts,

Offline SNoNo

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2006, 12:44:25 PM »
My thoughts too.

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Offline nightwynd

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2006, 04:53:38 PM »
If you are wondering about economic impact, read the link in my sig... this is what we are all truly trying to prevent. If someone DOES actually create a PMM (or other) overunity device, the general population probably will not belive it untill they see it in their own home, or if there is a seamless transition to another "utility company". I live in Ontario Canada, and if Ontario Hydro suddenly stopped getting it's power from Niagra Falls, and adopted an oversized overunity PMM motor, nobody would really care or notice...their power bill would probably remain the same, and the world would spin as normal. Oil and gas is on the way out... we know this for fact now, we NEED an alternative, and if you read the link in my sig....we need it FAST.

Economic impact? it can only be positive.

Offline raburgeson

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2006, 11:31:15 PM »
For the majority it will mean an end to economic slavery and the impact economically for 99.5% of the people will be positive. It wouldn't upset your economy to not have to pay for power would it? The best way to get it out and survive is to give it away as soon as you find it. You can ask for donations later and if you don't get one you've still improved your life. The things people send donations for now compared to I have it, it's saving me thousands a year, believe me you'd get nice donations. Most of us are trying to get out from under the rich's thumbs and we are tired of hearing there's a shortage, and we're tired of crapping up the enviroment. It's time for a change. Imagine power for things the world needs, power for irrigation and desalting ocean water could change the lives of whole continents, what would this mean to Africa? The benifits outweigh the cons in a great way. Gentlemen we have to do this thing.

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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2006, 12:33:33 AM »
You think also about "Africa" !?
Fine !
But you also know that you are one of the 0,5% members !

I think that the most part of the world does not need financial
donations,but the structural how-to-resolve-plan/-s !!!
Pardon,but the adult-generation is corrupt-in several kinds-
not "only" financial,
so there will be the need to work with the YOUTH,
and they should decide about the participation of their "parents" !


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Offline mikestocks2006

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2006, 04:55:26 AM »
These people will not let go so easy. They have virtually unlimited funds power and connections to make sure the status quo (read obscene profits) not to mention wars and a guaranteed wealth transfer from the citizens to the pockets of the few... what else is new...

Exxon Chairman Gets $400 Million Retirement Package
This amid soaring gas prices
April 14, 2006 - Higher gas prices may mean a pain at the pump for American, but for the outgoing chairman of Exxon, they mean something very different. Last year, Exxon made the biggest profit of any company ever, $36 billion, and its retiring chairman appears to be reaping the benefits, according to a report on ABC News' Good Morning America.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=nation_world&id=4084481

And this is just one of the big "seven sisters" as they are calle Oil companies.
Take a look who is who and who really makes what decisions, who is reaping all the benefits.
The world needs to wake up. if not... well... people get what they deserve...
They can buy any govt any lobby any congressman that matters in passing laws, and ofc can do what ever they want without fear of presecution. And if rarelly they get caught they can afford the best lawers.

Exxon still hasn't paid Alaska the 5 billion judjement for the Valdeze "accident".

Easy money for the big guys.


The world will be just fine with free energy. it's the last bastion of true freedom.

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
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Offline nightwynd

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2006, 04:04:59 PM »
very well put. The guys with the money and power today will NOT be the ones with the money and power tomorrow...why do you think that guy retired when he did? Probably because it was the single most profitable time for him to do so.

If we are truly looking to make a very big POSITIVE economic impact, what we should really look for is a unit that works, and works extremely well, and is easy enough for someone to build at home with the right tools. Then you can freely distribute the manuals to create them to people, as well as building them yourself and selling them to the people that either cannot or will not build one themselves. Let's face it, people are lazy...if given the option to build something for $1000 that will give them a power plant for their house, or buying one for $10,000...most peoply will actually fork out the dough.

My personal vision for these units is not having only a few people in charge of the whole thing, or large power plants powering neighborhoods...but rather each household having a power generator of their own. If you are into economics at all you can see that there is a MASSIVE ammount of money to be made off of these things for a LOT of people. I am sure that some people will come out further ahead than others, but in the end if we can give everyone in the world "free" electricity, who really cares that there are a few scattered millionaires littered around the globe. At least we all know what our power bill will be. $0.00

Offline tulook

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 05:02:37 PM »
You know, I've been kicked off boards too, for what? I was never quite sure. just look at my recent post and the response to it.

deddenMessage #12
07/04/08 02:44 PM Leave it to the Japanese to thumb their noses at the powers that be
with a working water fueled car.
Yes, and also the Korean's with their (WO/2008/016238) ARTIFICIAL ATMOSPHERE DIFFERENCE INDUCTION TYPE WIND POWER GENERATOR (http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2008016238) and their 'Magnet-amplifying engine' (300hp drive engine) was developed, shocking the world, or the Chinese "5 KW Electricity Generator is better and closer to production than almost any other Over Unity Device published on the various Patent Offices or on the Internet. Notice that these country's are past, present, and (possibly?) future enemy's of the US

You know, this is a lot of the stuff they said didn't work, that we were wasting our time, that some were threatened or allegedly killed to suppress. What Will the powers that be do now? Pray for them, tell everyone you can, before someone finds a reason to start a war with them.
 
And the answer I got...

LetMeSayThisMessage #13
07/08/08 12:03 PM Leave it to the Japanese to thumb their noses at the powers that be
with a working water fueled car.
Those little men with a short d*ck didn't beat us in WWII and now is this. Nice try Mr. ****!

I know, it makes no sense, I was trying to put the info out and I am
attacked. I say open source everything, replicate it if you can, make hard copys, back up all you've got, they can't stop us all. :-X         
P.S. MSNBC message boards     One step closer to free energy? Maybe.             

Offline sandor

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Re: Hi, new guy here with a couple of questions
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 06:35:10 PM »
The economic ramifications of what? A working perpetual motion machine? Are you kidding me? You don't actually think it's going to happen, do you?

But supposing that it did. And that it was a reproducible prototype, that is, something that didn't make use of some single sample of a sort of exotic matter that was discovered or a topological defect in the universe that was discovered or any such thing.

There is a big difference between that and solar. There is only so much light that hits an area of so much size on Earth. While the light that hits that area is free to you, the fact is, that all the wishing in the world won't make it more light than it is and the energy of that light times the efficiency of the solar device, maybe 20% for CIGS, is as much power as you can get out of it. The solar device lasts for a certain amount of time before degrading, it costs a certain amount, and it is limited in power to the trifling amount of light that hits it time 0.2 as such.

This is in stark opposition to the notion of perpetual motion. That is energy from nothing at all. A free lunch. If you could make a working device there would be nothing to prevent you from making a small, cheap device from making an enormous amount of power. It wouldn't just be another source of energy, it would put everything else off the map entirely. Not just cheap energy, remember. Free energy. It would open up space exploration as new spacecraft could be constructed that pull energy out of nowhere and shoot out a powerful beam of light and use it as a propellant, or even better, make mass/energy at one speed, act on it with a force and experience an equal and opposite reaction, and destroy it again, and deconserve momentum as well, simply accelerating in some direction without any propellant at all. Electricity wouldn't just be too cheap to meter, it wouldn't even be provided by power plants, everyone would just make their own. And importantly, EVERYONE on Earth would very quickly become wealthier than ANYONE has ever been before because the capital value of such a discovery is so large it couldn't even be put in understandable terms. It would be the holy grail of Engineering, even above time travel, reviving the dead and teleportation (if you were to compile a list of probably-unachievable developments, though I wouldn't put money on time travel being unachievable). It would not only save the human race and life in the universe from a slow death, but by 100 years, the wealth of the human race would grow by a factor of at least a trillion. It sounds too good to be true and it most certainly is based on known science. It is when such violations to the first law of thermodynamics are discovered or suspected based on experimental evidence or theories to explain observational evidence that such things ought to be actively pursued because otherwise you're just randomly trying things that have already been tried before. I am not going to closedmindedly say that it CAN'T be done, but I will say that a working perpetual motion machine would have to satisfy the following criteria:

1. it must be something that would not occur spontaneously in nature - since by all observation it DOESN'T - for instance, maybe something that involves many waves all perfectly in phase hitting a film in a certain way.

2. It must be complicated enough so that it wouldn't have been discovered so far by accident, and that include serendipity. The driving effect must be some event that doesn't occur spontaneously or easily by accident or else someone would have done it accidentally when trying to invent, say, a new design of vacuum cleaner.

3. it must be something that defies any power flow analysis. That is, if you try to analyze it by saying such and such element has a certain potential and kinetic energy, you eventually come to an impasse logically speaking (in other words a simple device with wheels and other concrete physical objects is probably out).

4. It probably must make use of non-classical physics (i.e. quantum mechanics) so that there CAN be elements to defy power flow analysis (uncertainty and all).

5. It may need to make use of completely undiscovered physical effects and or material properties. For example, a 5th force, some substance that splits light without changing its phase in either component, flubber, etcetera.

 

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