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Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 361685 times)

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #615 on: August 04, 2010, 10:56:14 AM »
like dam on very fast river - pim pip pim pim pim pim pim water accumulate - fast frequency (exponential)
bah! dam opened - slow frequency
two frequencies but not the way you thought  :P
 I do not need to build it - I see it clearly
you have to find circuit potential and get controller limit power to that level - rate of opening dam = output power

you see - IT'S a TIME MACHINE

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #616 on: August 04, 2010, 03:06:21 PM »
I have a Stupid Question, as I'm sure I won't get a clear answer.  Obviously, there IS a relation between RE (Radiant Energy) and RF (Radio Frequency, used as a description of propagating EM or Electromagnetic field...) but seeing that true electricity (NOT electron flow, please...) and gravity also are related, this is not saying much.   How they are related is what's critical.  So, to get to the nuts and bolts of real bench work, here's the stupid question....

If, and I repeat "IF", the small torrids of the TPU videos were "Mag Amps", used for "switching", would it also not be safe to assume that they were ALSO used as Inductance modifiers?  (For the rest of the "Tank".)

This would allow the "Tuning" of the "RF" component (Really meaning tank loop current) AND the "RE" component (Separate Tank Loop flow, I Know) with a single device, and hide a lot of the operational theory of the initial signal generation.  Doing two things at once, as it were.

Or am I totally off, and the torrids are just for the feedback transfer / signal generation?  (No need to say more, I assume...)
 
 There seem to be proponents both ways, and with no proven test either way, what's a guy to think?  I am "Certain" that I saw no "Tuning" knobs or adjustments, so the units must have self tuned......  Am I Clear?   (No PLL's, Crystals, or Modern ckts were used, were they?)

(I'm still banging my coils with an FET (s), but have been thinking about sliding into the "Mag Amp" concept for switching, but the separate energy types operating within this type of setup is difficult to keep in my head.  I have very little idea of how to integrate the two in energy forms in one circuit, nevermind one device.  There aren't many reference papers out there relating RE to Mag-amps, other than old, unproven "Theory".  I don't actually know which type of energy is the "Real" major component, as yet.)

Wattsup, you have a good point!  (I think it's been stated before, but so what, you reminded me...)  If you could light ONE LED, in a self-sustaining circuit, then the battle has been won!   ANYBODY game?  Shall we make it a race?  I mean a real circuit, not theory, and not expensive...

If you want a single LED RE powered forever then use a joule thief or Dr Stifler TX but you need to understand exactly how to convert real watts to VARS then back to WATTS. Only 20+ years RF tech people need apply for this job and full lab facilities required. Despite hundred of replications most of them cant do more then about >COP 2 or 3 which is not enough to loop but will extend the batteries for a very long time.

I been saying this for years now the two little toroidal are mag amps. If you know how they work they control the current flow by changing the inductance. If you change the inductance you control the amps so now you have a voltage to amps converter.  They are taken place of a TRIODE or FET as they are pretty much immune to extremely high voltages and amps swirling around the coils. The TPU was made back in the late 80's early 90's before the vids were even produced. Back then power FETS were only just born which is why SM said use triode tubes first unless you want to keep blowing up FETS.

SM circuit is not going to be more then a tiny 741 comparator operating a bit like a poor mans PLL to keep the loop VARS within set parameters and a tiny oscillator to kick start the entire process. A pp3 9 volt battery is MORE then enough even a 1.5v watch battery will last years.

 This will give the o/p some stability under various loads and stop the thing going ballistic. Over 100KVAR or 10KW device extreme danger of lightning strikes and local time compression with anti-gravity. Already the TPU shudders this is a warning sign of the effects.

Before the TROLLS say anything about this  go and read Sweet VTA and ask John Bedinni about it. Then ask Bob Boyce about lightning strikes using poly-phase rotating magnetic fields from large toroidal.

The collector coils will need around 10KVAR to produce 1000 watts o/p, An amp clamp meter will show around 10 amps and 1000 volts in reactive circulation. The watts o/p can be anything like 800 volts at 1.25 amps = 1000 watts.


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #617 on: August 04, 2010, 03:40:39 PM »
If you want a single LED RE powered forever then use a joule thief or Dr Stifler TX but you need to understand exactly how to convert real watts to VARS then back to WATTS. Only 20+ years RF tech people need apply for this job and full lab facilities required. Despite hundred of replications most of them cant do more then about >COP 2 or 3 which is not enough to loop but will extend the batteries for a very long time.

I been saying this for years now the two little toroidal are mag amps. If you know how they work they control the current flow by changing the inductance. If you change the inductance you control the amps so now you have a voltage to amps converter.  They are taken place of a TRIODE or FET as they are pretty much immune to extremely high voltages and amps swirling around the coils. The TPU was made back in the late 80's early 90's before the vids were even produced. Back then power FETS were only just born which is why SM said use triode tubes first unless you want to keep blowing up FETS.

SM circuit is not going to be more then a tiny 741 comparator operating a bit like a poor mans PLL to keep the loop VARS within set parameters and a tiny oscillator to kick start the entire process. A pp3 9 volt battery is MORE then enough even a 1.5v watch battery will last years.

 This will give the o/p some stability under various loads and stop the thing going ballistic. Over 100KVAR or 10KW device extreme danger of lightning strikes and local time compression with anti-gravity. Already the TPU shudders this is a warning sign of the effects.

Before the TROLLS say anything about this  go and read Sweet VTA and ask John Bedinni about it. Then ask Bob Boyce about lightning strikes using poly-phase rotating magnetic fields from large toroidal.

The collector coils will need around 10KVAR to produce 1000 watts o/p, An amp clamp meter will show around 10 amps and 1000 volts in reactive circulation. The watts o/p can be anything like 800 volts at 1.25 amps = 1000 watts.

Wrong again.

You can make great progress out in a few years with hard work even with little education and experience, if you are smarter than the average bear.  If you are a "drama queen", a "post-aholic primadonna", or jump from idea to idea every week, then you'll never get anywhere, as many here have proven.  :o

Yes.  Go and read all about the VTA and ask John Bedini about it too.  It won't help you.  If he knows so damn much about it all, then why does he still use batteries?  Hmm?  Read all of Bearden's books as well, but they will not help either.  Steven stated in the long UEC video that his devices made batteries obsolete and he would know.

There was a private group here a long time ago that worked on the Bob Boyce coil.  As far as I know, it never worked as claimed.  If lightning strikes, you are screwing up.  If the damn thing is covered with ice, then you are screwing up.  Much larger devices work with no lightning strikes, so you are wrong again.

The toroid things are not mag amps and are not required as you have been told over and over and over and over and over and over again.

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« Reply #618 on: August 04, 2010, 03:56:22 PM »
I have a Stupid Question, as I'm sure I won't get a clear answer.  Obviously, there IS a relation between RE (Radiant Energy) and RF (Radio Frequency, used as a description of propagating EM or Electromagnetic field...) but seeing that true electricity (NOT electron flow, please...) and gravity also are related, this is not saying much.   How they are related is what's critical.  So, to get to the nuts and bolts of real bench work, here's the stupid question....

If, and I repeat "IF", the small torrids of the TPU videos were "Mag Amps", used for "switching", would it also not be safe to assume that they were ALSO used as Inductance modifiers?  (For the rest of the "Tank".)

This would allow the "Tuning" of the "RF" component (Really meaning tank loop current) AND the "RE" component (Separate Tank Loop flow, I Know) with a single device, and hide a lot of the operational theory of the initial signal generation.  Doing two things at once, as it were.

Or am I totally off, and the torrids are just for the feedback transfer / signal generation?  (No need to say more, I assume...)
 
 There seem to be proponents both ways, and with no proven test either way, what's a guy to think?  I am "Certain" that I saw no "Tuning" knobs or adjustments, so the units must have self tuned......  Am I Clear?   (No PLL's, Crystals, or Modern ckts were used, were they?)

(I'm still banging my coils with an FET (s), but have been thinking about sliding into the "Mag Amp" concept for switching, but the separate energy types operating within this type of setup is difficult to keep in my head.  I have very little idea of how to integrate the two in energy forms in one circuit, nevermind one device.  There aren't many reference papers out there relating RE to Mag-amps, other than old, unproven "Theory".  I don't actually know which type of energy is the "Real" major component, as yet.)

Wattsup, you have a good point!  (I think it's been stated before, but so what, you reminded me...)  If you could light ONE LED, in a self-sustaining circuit, then the battle has been won!   ANYBODY game?  Shall we make it a race?  I mean a real circuit, not theory, and not expensive...

First of all, RE can mean many things.  If it means radiant energy then it is related to the radio frequencies that produce it.  If it means readiant electricity then it has nothing to do with RF.  When it is RF it is past the point where it could have been radiant electricity.  Rf can produce RE since all that is required is to excite the mass the right way, as sparks so elequently pointed out above.  Many ignore his posts, but agent sparks is cool with me.  :P  Self tuning but some pulse rates will work better than others, as everyone should know by now.

Bolt is correct that Stiffler's circuits will light LEDs indefinitely as far as I know.  They have beome quite popular, but I am still waiting to see some substantial power come from them.  I suspect his work is years ahead of what he actually shares.  He used to sell kits for experimentation, not sure if he still does, but if you want to light an LED, there you go.

A lot of people use FET's but no one ever puts several of them in series and uses higher voltage. 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #619 on: August 04, 2010, 04:36:07 PM »
First of all, RE can mean many things.  If it means radiant energy then it is related to the radio frequencies that produce it.  If it means readiant electricity then it has nothing to do with RF.  When it is RF it is past the point where it could have been radiant electricity.  Rf can produce RE since all that is required is to excite the mass the right way, as sparks so elequently pointed out above.  Many ignore his posts, but agent sparks is cool with me.  :P  Self tuning but some pulse rates will work better than others, as everyone should know by now.

Bolt is correct that Stiffler's circuits will light LEDs indefinitely as far as I know.  They have beome quite popular, but I am still waiting to see some substantial power come from them.  I suspect his work is years ahead of what he actually shares.  He used to sell kits for experimentation, not sure if he still does, but if you want to light an LED, there you go.

A lot of people use FET's but no one ever puts several of them in series and uses higher voltage.

Radiant energy can be tapped from 1Hz to 100Ghz the method is exactly the same. The big Newman motor runs around 4Hz and is powered by radiant energy. In all these circuits you TREAT them as RF to match the VSWR or power factor no matter what frequency is used.

Stiffler oscillator is historic broadband RF oscillator that will self resonate somewhere up in the 100-500Mhz region. It doesn't matter where the frequency is NOT important. The o/p has a slashed VSWR so it generates longitudinal waves instead of hertzian waves.

The joule thief works exactly the same except this time the ferrite cores or rings whatever lower the frequency down the Khz.

A 3 phase motor in RV mode runs on Radiant energy at 50/60Hz

A large 3 phase transformer is an OU device where the desired conditions create
FERROMAGNETIC-RESONANCE.  1000's of joules can be acquired under these conditions which can cause transformers and grid parts to explode. A 1000KVA utility transformer can be sent shaking off its feet using nothing more then a party strobe light used as a coil banger.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #620 on: August 04, 2010, 04:53:12 PM »
I see where is the problem. bolt is describing tapping radiant energy indirectly ; by creating very high Q tank circuit and tapping just a bit of energy from it which is far less the actual resistance inside circuit so it simply add to that resistance yet still it's a miniscule compared to flowing energy. Somone coul describe it as AC based or standing wave. bolt however do not clearly describe how to tap this energy and limit this tapping process to not disturb resonance.
Radiant is not visible here.

I see another way which is extracting energy from time directly or indirectly (you name it) - if you create a sink for many sparks or tiny threads of radiant energy and accumulate it into big spark very fast then you can tap such device at slower rate extracting excess energy in pulses. 5khz in case of TPU,rectified because of electrons whirling in one direction only (part of the process of creating sink)
I think that is what Tesla did in 1931 with Arrow Pierce car electric engine.
You have to understand how energy flow in LC tank to generate radiant rays.
Seems that count of atoms in process is important

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #621 on: August 04, 2010, 05:31:13 PM »
I see where is the problem. bolt is describing tapping radiant energy indirectly ; by creating very high Q tank circuit and tapping just a bit of energy from it which is far less the actual resistance inside circuit so it simply add to that resistance yet still it's a miniscule compared to flowing energy. Somone coul describe it as AC based or standing wave. bolt however do not clearly describe how to tap this energy and limit this tapping process to not disturb resonance.
Radiant is not visible here.


Tapping is part of the art of not breaking the dipole. You can't have ALL of it because you kill the precursor which gave you the conditions to begin with. But neither did you pay for all of it to start with so no need to take more then you require. Within the kapandze device or TPU or Newman or Bedini or anything of this nature the reactive power on the coils is MUCH higher then what is extracted and converted to watts.

Don't STEAL from the hand that feeds you!

  Many ways for extraction including pure RF coupling to match the load to the source, Avramenko plugs, peak AC volts snipper to collect the peaks using a large TRIAC and dump the excess to a cap or 90 degree coil coupling prevents conventional electrical flux coupling and allows only magnetic flux COPIES alike ORBO see JLN lab reports.

Within simple circuits a coil can be pulsed disconnected from the source completely. Use the energy in the coil to charge a cap then connect a load briefly and disconnect and repeat. Dozens of OU motors do this on expired patents.

By introducing a permanent magnet creates magnetic modulation. The energy does NOT come from the magnet directly its a source of localized noise.  We can shut off or deflect this noise very easy with low power but the rebound is from the ambient and not really from the magnet at all. Sweet Floyd  came to the same conclusion when he conditioned his magnets. Magnacoaster is doing this to provide KW's from a low power driver.

Here is a very simple concept for those that need help understanding how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM_HRwqKzFk

The real process name is Bloch wall modulation and not neutralization.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2010, 05:54:35 PM by bolt »

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« Reply #622 on: August 04, 2010, 06:28:24 PM »
I never believed any of the following:

Bearden's dipole, or anything regarding the MEG or negentropy

Bedini's splitting the positive, or talk of RE

anything using the term "reactive power" in the explanation


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #623 on: August 04, 2010, 06:53:02 PM »
Well sigma you got the point there.

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« Reply #624 on: August 04, 2010, 08:19:58 PM »
Well sigma you got the point there.

Yeah.  The problem is that I wrote down too many points and can not modify the post of others to delete them.

Oh well, I doubt anyone here will be able to make use of them.  I just didn't want others to read them.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #625 on: August 04, 2010, 08:29:43 PM »
Well sigma you got the point there.

Well with under 30 post each you are only newbies. Come and talk to me again when you get over 450 posts you may have learn something then about reactive power.

You think it cant do anything? Watch this then

http://tinyurl.com/3xatbxl

12 volt battery supply is used to fire up an RLC circuit with simple oscillator to around 25KVAR then suddenly release the stored energy into another coil weighing over 2lb it fires over 30ft in the air as extreme repelling force. The static and the airborne coil sees the same magnetic polarity and it fires off like a mortar bomb. The energy taken from the batteries is tiny compared to the joules required to launch the coil. Not once but dozens of times.

The process has been developed into a prototype car motor in the Philippines. COP>50 but as usual like the many other OU motors of the past no one will fund them.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2010, 08:51:46 PM by bolt »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #626 on: August 04, 2010, 09:41:12 PM »
We've now come full circle. 8)


Here is a very simple concept for those that need help understanding how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM_HRwqKzFk

The real process name is Bloch wall modulation and not neutralization.

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« Reply #627 on: August 04, 2010, 09:42:51 PM »
Well with under 30 post each you are only newbies. Come and talk to me again when you get over 450 posts you may have learn something then about reactive power.

You think it cant do anything? Watch this then

http://tinyurl.com/3xatbxl

12 volt battery supply is used to fire up an RLC circuit with simple oscillator to around 25KVAR then suddenly release the stored energy into another coil weighing over 2lb it fires over 30ft in the air as extreme repelling force. The static and the airborne coil sees the same magnetic polarity and it fires off like a mortar bomb. The energy taken from the batteries is tiny compared to the joules required to launch the coil. Not once but dozens of times.

The process has been developed into a prototype car motor in the Philippines. COP>50 but as usual like the many other OU motors of the past no one will fund them.

The quantity of posts means nothing.  All you have done in your meesely few hundred posts is tout the work of others and produce excuse after excuse as to why you can not perform these feets yourself.

There is nothing to learn about reactive power that is of importance in our alternative energy endeavor.  If you think that there is, then you are mistaken.  Heat pumps have an attractive COP, but are not overunity.

Funding?  Get off your ass and you don't need funding.  If you put all of the good information about these alternative energy devices together, then you will have more than enough information to obtain your goal.

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« Reply #628 on: August 04, 2010, 09:45:31 PM »
We've now come full circle. 8)

Yes, but that circle only leads further from the truth!

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« Reply #629 on: August 05, 2010, 12:34:24 AM »
I get it, you are the only one who know it, but you don't tell us, right?  ::) what a surprise, again :-\

I just tell you one thing. Right now, you are not different than Bolt, or anybody else, who claim something, but not proving, he is right. Until that's happen all of you could be right, and maybe too early to keep telling everybody how wrong they are.  :P

I told you many things.  Use it, or not.  That is your decision.