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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #585 on: August 03, 2010, 12:09:27 AM »
@bolt,

Who's done that? Care to post a link? Also, that business with the HV H2, where's the evidence?

Hey aren't you the "omnibus" that thought he had an OU transformer and it turned out to be measurement error?

Wasn't there a good lesson about "parallel capacitance between the windings"?

Yet you talk of being "scientific".

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« Reply #586 on: August 03, 2010, 12:10:19 AM »
"Where is the VTA now?  What about Grey's tube?  Moray's tube? Let's not leave out Bearden's MEG, Gunderson's ring, and Thane Heins' motor.  If RE is so easy then then there should be new devices all around us, but they aren't because no one that understands it is talking about it.  Everyone who is talking about it is repeating all the BS that everyone else already thought up to sell videos, books, and worthless plans.

Put a magnet in an RE field like I told wattsup to do and you will quickly find out that you don't know squat."

You know what happened to Sweet VTA it worked seen by many people at his house even John Bedini was there and the vid is on Google Vids. Sweet went to the US government with his device they were not interested. He pushed them more and got a warning letter. He pushed them more and the MIB came round and threatened him. His device absolutely worked no doubt about it. Some say and this IS hearsay they Sweet died due to something that caused him to get an extremely rare fast growing brain cancer because Sweet threatened to go public.

The "tubes" work splitting the positive etc and extracting RE has been replicated many times. Most recently a guy in the Philippines has a prototype car running off the patent. The MEG works but its too expensive to replicate due to special materials and the low power o/p All the special magnet motors end up in museums and mothballed as they cost 100k+ in special machine parts. No one will take the chance anymore with special motors.

Thane never had OU device that really is a fk up. He never showed properly the i/p readings to his DC grinder motor. What really happened was his high voltage coil went into a high VAR condition which allowed the current to go out of phase when it hit around 2000 rpm.  With no in phase coil current there is no LENS, you only have a lugging LENS issue with in phase current. The answer is easy. Put the amps out of phase - no more lugging. Not just me suggesting this cited in dozens of patents. So with no drag his motor speeded up. Thane thought his motor was going OU. Basically all the hardware to divert the flux path was complete nonsense.

While the coil started to produce OU within itself and he did get some nice meter o/p readings it was never enough to cover the unknown i/p , motor power. NOW had he used a 3 phase motor running in RV mode using just 10 watts and measured so we can all see the i/p and THEN use HV coils as high impedance reactive mode to null out the LENS then he just might have got an OU motor running.

I'm all ears you got interesting info on magnets in RE field then I'm listening!

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« Reply #587 on: August 03, 2010, 12:15:56 AM »
@bolt,

Who's done that? Care to post a link? Also, that business with the HV H2, where's the evidence?

I cant discuss the motors its private email these people don't want to go public. They are happy running their lights for free. Last person who went public looping motors had has house and lab/workshop burnt down after being hit by a rocket from a black helicopter. Yes this was in the US 3 and 1/2 year ago.

For Atomic Hydrogen start here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding

here

http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/AtomicH/atomicH.html

and here

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/a_h%20reaction.htm

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« Reply #588 on: August 03, 2010, 12:18:42 AM »
@Trastos,
This looks like BEMF harvesting using a magamp type pickups.
I emailed the guy for the opensource schematic. We'll see if he responds.

@All,
For what it is worth I am reading all this and then pursuing the previous posts mentioned.

I dare not say more for fear of becoming techno-chibble. Goes good with beer.

Let me throw this in as a question. When I did the three frequency audio test Bolt laid out and when the house was rocking I could feel the harmonic waves sloshing back and forth. I interpreted this as the same fedback loop that the rotovertor feels but in a different media. Could this be right? With this 3 freq device I can feel jumbling going on in the body which leads to sickness. If I do this in magnetic fields is this the quantum pressure that leads to RE?

Let me put it this way when Tesla did the same thing he shook his entire aprt building the neighbors run out in the street and Tesla told them it must have been an earthquake. LOL

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« Reply #589 on: August 03, 2010, 12:30:48 AM »
Thanks Bolt,

So let me add this then:
When I did the steel and copper resonance build the only thing I can think of is the Rotovertor. 2 bifilar coils sittng at 90 degrees to each with 43khz in, ramping up  and then 12MGHz out looks like harmonic ringing on its own. 2 devices singing back and forth.
Don't want to detract from current thread.

Anybody answer me this then. RE appears when the pressure builds from the harmonic ringing and it depends on the platform used(like electronic). Else disassociation, cracking, vibration appears in hard matter. Pipe organs sing.

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« Reply #590 on: August 03, 2010, 12:32:17 AM »
Hello Chef,

Hendershot rocks!  ;D

Have you compared the field structure of the Hendershot generator with those of the Spherics Tetrahedral TPU?

Both are described with the term: "Ether Vortex Generator" or something along those lines.  The tetra is probably much easier to replicate as the effects are directly produced.  Based on all the tales of tuning the Hendrshot coil, I'd guess that it is difficult to get the effect reliably.

I'll have to give the Hendershot a go, get rid of the basket weave coil and use artificial fields.

The capacitors are pure genius.  Do you see?

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« Reply #591 on: August 03, 2010, 12:36:18 AM »
Or set your fields at angles to each other. The Rodin coil has many, many nodes like this.

Hello Chef,

Have you compared the field structure of the Hendershot generator with those of the Spherics Tetrahedral TPU?

Both are described with the term: "Ether Vortex Generator" or something along those lines.  The tetra is probably much easier to replicate as the effects are directly produced.  Based on all the tales of tuning the Hendrshot coil, I'd guess that it is difficult to get the effect reliably.

I'll have to give the Hendershot a go, get rid of the basket weave coil and use artificial fields.

The capacitors are pure genius.  Do you see?

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« Reply #592 on: August 03, 2010, 12:53:38 AM »
Thanks Bolt,

So let me add this then:
When I did the steel and copper resonance build the only thing I can think of is the Rotovertor. 2 bifilar coils sittng at 90 degrees to each with 43khz in, ramping up  and then 12MGHz out looks like harmonic ringing on its own. 2 devices singing back and forth.
Don't want to detract from current thread.

Anybody answer me this then. RE appears when the pressure builds from the harmonic ringing and it depends on the platform used(like electronic). Else disassociation, cracking, vibration appears in hard matter. Pipe organs sing.

Yes its all resonance i cant explain precisely how it works in materials that is more Keely work and i don't fully understand it to give any more then a passing comment but in electrical modes i am more familiar. You can use a Hendershot device which is just 2 coils and caps as an oscillator again it all about taking  the source converting it out of phase. Ramp up the VARS to a really high level then impedance match the tanks to the load source with careful tuning. Hendershot would take up to 30 mins sometimes messing about tuning it was a very unstable device. It had NOTHING to do with special basket weave coils or a magic doorbell buzzer.

Im sure you read a lot more about Keely then i have but i know water goes unstable and can literally explode if you hit the 3 magic spot frequencies. The guy in OZ i think has a Keely water heater uses a piezo to generate like 25Khz and the water boils using just around 15 watts in a cup. Then there is our beloved Mr Thrapp he has one too that boils gallons off a 9 volt battery but im told he did this using hidden microwaves from the next room.

My answer to that is it would take at least 8 microwave magnotrons pointing on that copper ball would send 8Kw bouncing all over the house and everyone in that room and maybe the house would have had eyeballs bursting and blood pouring out of their ears. So who knows about that thing.

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« Reply #593 on: August 03, 2010, 01:08:33 AM »
You know what happened to Sweet VTA it worked seen by many people at his house even John Bedini was there and the vid is on Google Vids. Sweet went to the US government with his device they were not interested. He pushed them more and got a warning letter. He pushed them more and the MIB came round and threatened him. His device absolutely worked no doubt about it. Some say and this IS hearsay they Sweet died due to something that caused him to get an extremely rare fast growing brain cancer because Sweet threatened to go public.

I'm all ears you got interesting info on magnets in RE field then I'm listening!

VTA was suspected by some to be "very out of balance".  Perhaps this resulted in his cancer.

You will have to explore RE and magnets yourself.  Get your hands dirty.  It is too easy to say things and then everyone else say other things and all is lost in pages of talk.  Google it forever and you will not find the answer either, so don't waste your time.

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« Reply #594 on: August 03, 2010, 01:34:07 AM »
VTA was suspected by some to be "very out of balance".  Perhaps this resulted in his cancer.

You will have to explore RE and magnets yourself.  Get your hands dirty.  It is too easy to say things and then everyone else say other things and all is lost in pages of talk.  Google it forever and you will not find the answer either, so don't waste your time.

Well you got about 17 posts to your name and you turn up here without putting anything on the table. So far as i looked at your posts you give away nothing but only criticize and seemingly  you have all the answers on how a TPU works.  Maybe you do BUT you have to build up some credibility first otherwise you will end up in the category of a TROLL and their is plenty of those around these parts which have over 500 post but share NOTHING.

Im am fully aware about RE creating powerful magnetic fields  as one can see this in the Newman motor or RV motor to which i do have hands on. There are many methods of capturing RE including magnetic modulation and bloch wall shifting is more brute force attack of modulation but it works. its the basis of FLYNN and MEG where it takes only a tiny voltage to divert or shift the flux but the full force of the magnets comes thumping back providing real joules for free after the trigger has been disconnected. Many motors use this concept but its not required to go out and spend 100k machining a special motor. It works MUCH better solid state.

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« Reply #595 on: August 03, 2010, 01:49:03 AM »
@sigma16

Welcome to the forum. hic hic

I never said the reactive power is OU. All I said was "at most" SM discovered a method of looping "re-condensed" (stepped-down) reactive power back to its source so you can indefinitely maintain a voltage reading on your volt meter on one side for his demo units. The other side of his units where brute battery driven and "possibly" pulsed for minimal power consumption.

If RE produces cold electricity, then the heating up of the TPU shows it was not RE. I don't know enough about it to say any more besides the RE (I think it was RE) I was working with in my one wire Pulsing Coils videos.

Regarding the magnet/coil/gyro effect. Yes any pulsed-coil/magnet will produce a vibration and I have already tested it that you will feel it in your hands but only up to around 800 hertz, regardless if you change the duty/voltage. After that you will never feel it nor will it create any quasi sensation of gyrations. It is all one more smoke screen from SM.

Magnet near pulsed coil below 800hz = Hand felt vibrations
So what is the story of 5000hertz - vibrations no way - noise for sure - gyrations no way.
At 800hz or below, can you produce RE. I doubt it. But you can produce reactive power at any hertz with undamped waves. lol
Short vibrations of a non-anchored mass (TPU in your hands) = quasi gyro effect - Hmmmmmmmm - maybe.
Any more then that and we are talking voodoo effects that are totally irrelevant.

About your other idea of testing the magnet/coil field effect, I would have to have some time to do it but in my book, the coil would have to be much stronger to cause any real shift of the magnetic field whereas it does not have to be that strong to cause a vibration. Also reading the coil field with a compass when a magnet is placed near the coil is practically impossible to see the finer movements. So that would be a very hard thing to confirm or not. Also, regarding pulsing at RE you would have to provide some specific parameters to start by.

@all

Geez, lot's of posts going everywhere but where it was. So we slack off a bit and get back to it later. No hurry. You guys already get the point. Please keep the lingo civilized (@sigma16 hint hint).

@bolt

Have you ever seen anyone give someone 25k without any strings attached. Ask your local Shylok, he'll inform you about strings, or ropes or casts. Sorry but I don't have that kind of cash laying around. What you need to do is prepare a R&D plan and offer it to those that may have the means to help you out. Such persons usually meet on monthly or bi-monthly basis with their counterparts to review potential "giveaways". There should be a few in your area.

Regarding changing Thanes grinder motor for an RV at 10 watts, there is no way that would work. I have done RV tests galore and it cost me dearly. I have also done other motor tests with gear that cost in the 15 grand level. Also no way. The RV won't work with Thane because at 10 watts there is ZERO torque, and since the magnets are on the outer edge of the rotor where leverage is the greatest, any coil resistance will be amplified and the RV will just seize. Been there, done that.

Also, just because you can come up with some pretty nice ideas on OU production, it does not mean SM did. Guys here have received perfectly directly related explanation of how SM does his demos and all we read are ideas on OU, thinking that since an idea is plausible, it means SM is real. Means nothing. Of course, no one wants to admit that SM has given us a good wanking around. But we asked for it. We let down our guard and built SM up to hero status. We have also coined many phrases against anyone that tried to see through the idolatry. But given such concrete and pragmatic proof, we now have to take a serious look at ourselves and get real with this TPU business.

The immediate challenge is very simple. Create any energy loop that can light up a small LED. Just an LED, nothing more. That is the starting point. lol

If you can post a few places on this forum where you have given experiments, please do and I will see what is possible on my end, but I can't make any promises. I am sure others here would be interested in knowing about them.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #596 on: August 03, 2010, 01:54:55 AM »
Hey aren't you the "omnibus" that thought he had an OU transformer and it turned out to be measurement error?

Wasn't there a good lesson about "parallel capacitance between the windings"?

Yet you talk of being "scientific".

You obviously have missed my further experiments and analysis. Not only the transformer but even a simple RC circuit is an OU system under certain conditions. No measurement errors. Overunity is inherent in electrical circuits when the conditions are right. Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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« Reply #597 on: August 03, 2010, 01:58:04 AM »
Well you got about 17 posts to your name and you turn up here without putting anything on the table. So far as i looked at your posts you give away nothing but only criticize and seemingly  you have all the answers on how a TPU works.  Maybe you do BUT you have to build up some credibility first otherwise you will end up in the category of a TROLL and their is plenty of those around these parts which have over 500 post but share NOTHING.

Im am fully aware about RE creating powerful magnetic fields  as one can see this in the Newman motor or RV motor to which i do have hands on. There are many methods of capturing RE including magnetic modulation and bloch wall shifting is more brute force attack of modulation but it works. its the basis of FLYNN and MEG where it takes only a tiny voltage to divert or shift the flux but the full force of the magnets comes thumping back providing real joules for free after the trigger has been disconnected. Many motors use this concept but its not required to go out and spend 100k machining a special motor. It works MUCH better solid state.

So, you are afraid to get yor hands dirty.  Probably have never wound a single coil in your entire life.  You go around posting endless rants about the work of others and your interpretations of it, but never do any work yourself.  You stated several times that you can build a working TPU if provided with $25K for a lab.  If you know so much about the TPU's then maybe you can tell us how they are wound.  They are not all the same.

Have you ever built anything that works?  Like a model or birdhouse?  I just want to know if you can follow directions.


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« Reply #598 on: August 03, 2010, 02:04:25 AM »
If RE produces cold electricity, then the heating up of the TPU shows it was not RE. I don't know enough about it to say any more besides the RE (I think it was RE) I was working with in my one wire Pulsing Coils videos.

Regarding the magnet/coil/gyro effect. Yes any pulsed-coil/magnet will produce a vibration and I have already tested it that you will feel it in your hands but only up to around 800 hertz, regardless if you change the duty/voltage. After that you will never feel it nor will it create any quasi sensation of gyrations. It is all one more smoke screen from SM.

Magnet near pulsed coil below 800hz = Hand felt vibrations
So what is the story of 5000hertz - vibrations no way - noise for sure - gyrations no way.
At 800hz or below, can you produce RE. I doubt it. But you can produce reactive power at any hertz with undamped waves. lol
Short vibrations of a non-anchored mass (TPU in your hands) = quasi gyro effect - Hmmmmmmmm - maybe.
Any more then that and we are talking voodoo effects that are totally irrelevant.

About your other idea of testing the magnet/coil field effect, I would have to have some time to do it but in my book, the coil would have to be much stronger to cause any real shift of the magnetic field whereas it does not have to be that strong to cause a vibration. Also reading the coil field with a compass when a magnet is placed near the coil is practically impossible to see the finer movements. So that would be a very hard thing to confirm or not. Also, regarding pulsing at RE you would have to provide some specific parameters to start by.

Doesn't sound like you had RE, so the rest is mute.

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« Reply #599 on: August 03, 2010, 03:24:48 AM »
@sigma16

Welcome to the forum. hic hic

I never said the reactive power is OU. All I said was "at most" SM discovered a method of looping "re-condensed" (stepped-down) reactive power back to its source so you can indefinitely maintain a voltage reading on your volt meter on one side for his demo units. The other side of his units where brute battery driven and "possibly" pulsed for minimal power consumption.

If RE produces cold electricity, then the heating up of the TPU shows it was not RE. I don't know enough about it to say any more besides the RE (I think it was RE) I was working with in my one wire Pulsing Coils videos.

Wrong the TPU heated up not because of the RE but due to the rotating magnetic field induced eddy currents.  Eddy currents will form in aluminum or copper wire at very high speeds mag fields.


Regarding the magnet/coil/gyro effect. Yes any pulsed-coil/magnet will produce a vibration and I have already tested it that you will feel it in your hands but only up to around 800 hertz, regardless if you change the duty/voltage. After that you will never feel it nor will it create any quasi sensation of gyrations. It is all one more smoke screen from SM.

Magnet near pulsed coil below 800hz = Hand felt vibrations
So what is the story of 5000hertz - vibrations no way - noise for sure - gyrations no way.


5000 Hert is the standard clock frequency SM used in ALL his TPU's. It powers the mag amps and because it powered the mag amps it ends up on the o/p as 5Khz Hash.

At 800hz or below, can you produce RE. I doubt it.

YES you can produce RE down at 1Hz. Big Newman motors run down around 4hz and they collect plenty of RE.

 But you can produce reactive power at any hertz with undamped waves. lol
Short vibrations of a non-anchored mass (TPU in your hands) = quasi gyro effect - Hmmmmmmmm - maybe.
Any more then that and we are talking voodoo effects that are totally irrelevant.

About your other idea of testing the magnet/coil field effect, I would have to have some time to do it but in my book, the coil would have to be much stronger to cause any real shift of the magnetic field whereas it does not have to be that strong to cause a vibration. Also reading the coil field with a compass when a magnet is placed near the coil is practically impossible to see the finer movements. So that would be a very hard thing to confirm or not. Also, regarding pulsing at RE you would have to provide some specific parameters to start by.

@all

Geez, lot's of posts going everywhere but where it was. So we slack off a bit and get back to it later. No hurry. You guys already get the point. Please keep the lingo civilized (@sigma16 hint hint).

@bolt

Have you ever seen anyone give someone 25k without any strings attached.

 YES i seen well over 250k donation no strings to people i know of for Free Energy devices. This particular guy was supposed to finish making a special magnet motor. People that do this ALWAYS run out of money when special magnet motors are involved. As far as i know nothing happened this was 8 years ago now.

 I also have been made now 4 offers in the last 3 years to relocate and work in secret bunker style labs and sign NDA's i turn them all down. Im talking MUCH MUCH more then 25k.

Ask your local Shylok, he'll inform you about strings, or ropes or casts. Sorry but I don't have that kind of cash laying around. What you need to do is prepare a R&D plan and offer it to those that may have the means to help you out. Such persons usually meet on monthly or bi-monthly basis with their counterparts to review potential "giveaways". There should be a few in your area.

Regarding changing Thanes grinder motor for an RV at 10 watts, there is no way that would work. I have done RV tests galore and it cost me dearly. I have also done other motor tests with gear that cost in the 15 grand level. Also no way. The RV won't work with Thane because at 10 watts there is ZERO torque, and since the magnets are on the outer edge of the rotor where leverage is the greatest, any coil resistance will be amplified and the RV will just seize. Been there, done that.

Well i have to disagree about RV's it one thing i do have a lot of experience with. I converted dozens of pool pumps, water pumps air con pumps and saved people hundreds in electric bills in the Caribbean.  I had some "magic" motors that just accelerated faster and faster till the i/p didn't even register. RV has tons of torque you must tune to the load. You cannot tune to off load then expect RV to have torque cos you never requested it. I have seen a real demand for one HP and RV did it for under 500 watts for 746 shaft power.  RV has been properly pony breaked and it nearly always is OU for I/p far less then shaft power.

RV HAS been looped at LEAST 5 times to my own knowledge. it only requires PW and frequency adjustable inverter.  I see it on skype live video, been sent pics and data and i seen the shit people get into making public RV looped devices.

RV will charge a HUGE bank of cart batteries about 50 times faster then any Bedinni charger and RV is a standard off the shelf device you can get anywhere in the world. I can get brand new 5HP motors for under 100 GBP/euro which is about 150 bucks so i dunno how you spent so much money. I do admit though R and D is VERY expensive. Even the most basic systems have many hidden costs.

Also, just because you can come up with some pretty nice ideas on OU production, it does not mean SM did. Guys here have received perfectly directly related explanation of how SM does his demos and all we read are ideas on OU, thinking that since an idea is plausible, it means SM is real. Means nothing. Of course, no one wants to admit that SM has given us a good wanking around. But we asked for it. We let down our guard and built SM up to hero status. We have also coined many phrases against anyone that tried to see through the idolatry. But given such concrete and pragmatic proof, we now have to take a serious look at ourselves and get real with this TPU business.

The immediate challenge is very simple. Create any energy loop that can light up a small LED. Just an LED, nothing more. That is the starting point. lol

Easy Joule Thief but a proper one that has been properly tuned using RF engineering;:) and not a kitchen table hack with a diode hanging for the load. Chinese have done it apparently in the last few weeks. They must have listened carefully to what i said. They are already 50 watts OU and looking for 1kw goal. AND they will probably do it because unlike most of the others here they actually going over 9 volt battery supply!!! LOL whoooopeee

If you can post a few places on this forum where you have given experiments, please do and I will see what is possible on my end, but I can't make any promises. I am sure others here would be interested in knowing about them.

Only have to read my posts its all there.