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Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 364022 times)

DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #435 on: June 26, 2010, 07:07:06 PM »
Hi Sparks,

You might like the open source solar vehicles on this site.
http://www.solarvehicles.org/

The designer, Jeff Dekzty, has great enthusiasm for his designs.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #436 on: June 26, 2010, 08:47:47 PM »
@All

OK. One of the main criteria of the TPU is to run with gain. Now to run with gain, or gain with run, there must be a place in the TPU to run an event that can accumulate gain.

The electron potential to do this is already present in the copper conductors, capacitor plates, battery materials, inductor cores, spark ignitions, switches and more.

But in order to run with gain, any system has to know when it is overstepping its bounds in a way that could be adverse to the intention of the systems' gain requirement.

I have thought of an analogy to explain an angle of this gain question based on my experience in water treatment.

If you consider a tall tank (5 feet high by 10 inches in diameter) 1/4 full of sand with a water pipe entering from the center bottom and exiting the center top, and if you consider that if the water flow can hold the sand off the bottom, that is the equivalent to a TPU maintaining or holding up a gain state, then you need to find the right flow rate. Now if you provide a steady fast water flow rate, you will just punch a center hole through the sand and enter the top void but most of the sand will not lift. Provide a steady slow flow and the sand will just sit there. What you need to do is pulse it at a medium flow rate, but not all the time. You need to stop sometimes to let the sand turbulate back downwards then you start again. Slowly, but surely most of the sand will stay off the bottom. But again, you need a pulse, you need it to stop, then to start again. Any constant flow rate will not work. It has to fluctuate otherwise the sand will find the weakest areas to fall back to the base.

Another way of seeing this is when you use a pulsating garden sprinkler system. The main frequency is the steady water pressure applied to the sprinkler, and the chop frequency is the cutting on and off of the applied water pressure. This could be the cannon into cannon analogy.

This may be the requirement for the TPU also. If you pulse at 500,000 hertz and 5000 hertz so that at each 5khz "on" time of the cycle, it is pulsing at 500khz, this is what I mean. Not putting two frequencies together. But more like putting one frequency then chopping it up. The highest frequency will provide the resonance undertone (or overtone) and the chopping frequency will provide the proper nullification because from null to on you get the greatest potential rise, compared to when you remain on all the time.

In the LTPU there is only one potentiometer plainly visible. If the LTPU had a set high frequency pulse, then the pot could be used to regulate the chop frequency.

The question I have is how can this be achieved in circuit terms because I think this is where we can find both resonance and turbulence. You see when we pulse a coil, it creates a wave inside the coil wires. But like any other wave, some of that wave will move backwards once it reaches a resistance point. Our coils and circuits are full of these resistance points even thought we are not using specifically a resistor. So this waving around will move backwards and can then create bottlenecks in the flow of energy. By chopping up the main rider frequency, you are sort of resetting the potential for backward waves as well as for over saturation to clog up the conductor. Does this make any sense at all and if so, how can this be done in circuit terms. I don't want to have two frequencies. The highest frequency can be set and the lowest frequency can be 1/100th of the high frequency so with one main frequency, we need to make the second chop frequency, with a pot on the second to do some finer adjustments.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #437 on: June 26, 2010, 09:29:01 PM »
@wattsup,

Just a friendly note:

You've posted some nice pics of your devices and mounting method. I hope these devices spend all of their time with the leads shorted using conductive foam or some other method. Static charge, far below what you can feel, will instantly destroy many devices, especially JFETs.

Do yourself a favor and cut a small piece of conductive foam for mounting on the leads until your circuit is ready for power.  ;)

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #438 on: June 27, 2010, 04:19:09 AM »
@Wattsup

   On an off topic comment your fluidized bed description of a conductor got me thinking about the gulf. If they could get a condom on that gulf mess and inject granular activated carbon to make like a mile long fluidized bed of gac alot of the oil could be adsorbed by the charcoal.   They then burn/reactivate the charcoal and reinject the gac into the plume riser.   The thermal energy of the reactivation used to do useful work like turning co2 and water back into sludge and pumped back into the ground where this gooey smelly sticky black shit belongs.  Dead and buried.  Make a new planet called shitball and fire it off towards the sun.  I dont care get it the fuck out of here.  There could be a competition among the energy titans to see how fast a planet could be produced.  You could form the planet into a ball and they could have a soccer game to see which company can get the most pollution burnt up in the chrona of the Sun.  The winner of the competition could be called king corporation and awarded a trophy including but not limited to a big gold bowl and any number of whoes for the executive officers of the corporation.  It would be organized so there is a shitball planet tournament.  Televised as high tech rockets push large black tar balls towards the sun.  Gaming rights could be controlled by the state and large auditoriums set up to watch the shitballs turn into flares 92million miles away.  Give all the corporate guys team uniforms and mascots.  Cheerleaders the whole nine yards.  You could have some microorganism name as the Teams tittles.  Like sprialcooccusnimbiusdoofus team pulls into the lead with 90million metric tons of pure black goo heading straight for solar maximus.  Following by a parsec is viralmenindirtyunderwear with 200 metric tons of sulpherdioxide as the two leaders enter the turn at mercury's gravitational well.
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #439 on: June 28, 2010, 12:35:34 PM »
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Well I just got my JFETS. You can see the two on the left are the JFETs and then going right from these two is an IRF9540 and an IRF840. Hmmmmmm. I wonder if size does really matter. lololol

Also, I put up a photo of what I have found very convenient to hold my mosfets and Jfets. It is basically an angled three point terminal block that ends with three pins. On these pins I took a standard multi terminal block, cut them in ones and ground down the edges so they can fit on the blue pins. Connections are quick, easy and in case I blow a mosfet, changing is no hassle.

So I will now try out the blotch wall movement idea I had a few pages ago and report back with the results. Now these JFETs are very expensive and I am wondering if I should take up some JFET Insurance. lol

Hope @gyulasun gets back soon cause I will surely need some of his guidance. Meanwhile I will take things very slowly.
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Hi wattsup,

You have a good mounting technic with the MOSFETs it seems, though the size of the heat sink may prove to be small in higher wattage cases when dissipation of the JFETs is over some ten Watts, watch out carefully for sensing heat on the body of the sink with your fingers and take time breaks in testing to allow for cooling down, maybe use a small computer ventillator.

Now heat hence overdissipation is you main enemy, not overvoltage or current. (I say this because you now have over 1000V breakdown voltage devices with over 20-30A current capability if I recall their data correctly.)
Always start with small voltage from your power supply, start with 5-6V DC and increase it gradually and check heat dissipation on the sink.
It is up to you using a single wire from the "positive" output from your FG or you use its "negative" wire too, connected with the negative polarity of the power supply. (Normal EE practice is connecting them.)

Good luck and if you have a question or two, please try to describe the setup you just use, preferably with a schematic if possible.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #440 on: June 28, 2010, 03:02:54 PM »
@BEP

Thanks for the heads up. I am always touching the grounded chassis of my instruments to ground myself. But I will try and find some of that foam you talk about.

@sparks

I don't think they will go for it. But once we have perfected an anti-gravity shield, we can always scoop up the oil and send it to the sun ourselves. As long as we do not catch a whale while doing it, like in Star Trek. lol

@Loner

If Stan was doing it, then he's the Man.
I have all ready started testing this with two IRF840 mosfets.

@gyulasun

Thanks for checking up on me. I will keep you posted. I plan on starting to use them within a few days. I have some other tests to run with this other set-up and will start the blotch movement tests afterward.

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« Reply #441 on: June 28, 2010, 05:21:57 PM »
@Sparks,
Let the games begin.
I say 'begin' because know that it has already begun is depressing. I hate missing the boat only to fight out later the getting a clue has a cost of extreme measure.

--40 love.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #442 on: June 28, 2010, 05:23:40 PM »
Heterodyning. Same as it ever was. The only difference is at what moment do you need the eclipse?

Wattsup, I hope you realize that is "Exactly" what Stan Meyers circuit for the HHO generating VIC circuit does.  Two Frequencies, one (The Higher) switched on and off by the lower.

Interesting, Isn't it?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #443 on: June 28, 2010, 09:35:54 PM »
Sorry for  topic but if we would find the correct mosfet or other electronic switch then we  loose time for preparing for expected big solar storm in 2012. :(

It is important to find how to replace such electronic switch.
Rotary spark gap may be too slow.Can we make special vacuum or inert gas tube spark gap aka tube-mosfet ? If so then how ? Just two carbon or metal electrodes with ball ends all surrounded by metal sheet ? Maybe that was the case for Edwin gray switching element tube ? Can we scale up mosfet into such electrostatic grid switching element tube  PLEASE !? Any ideas ? :o Time's up.

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« Reply #444 on: June 28, 2010, 10:05:51 PM »
Final answer:
It is not that we want to turn on or off the coils to a level. This does nothing. It is the switching or transitioning between the levels. We have seen this process too numerous times to mention. Cmos does this incredibly fast albeit low power. But trigger a tank repeatedly and you get the virtual spark gap you all are looking for. All other attemps are just another doorbell circuit with inherent failures. The Cmos switching will also create the generation of electrostatic potentials. We don't apply HV, we create it. Stun gun anyone? This has been the attempt, the goal, the process all along by me. While building I have been lurking and accumulating the knowledge of the process. This is what it is. There are no other processes only other methods and we have seen them all. If you need to turn motors or see spark gaps then it is about time for you to take the next step and graduate from the mechanical processes to the high speed electrostatic. You can still hit a coil with a mechanical method but the speed of repeatability causes the final process. That is why the quenched spark gap looks so appealing for it is not the hit but to shorten the timing between the hits. Not bang, bang, bang but bing bing bing. And Baddaboom, thank you.
You want fireworks? Run a frequency in one coil and hit the parallel coil with a stun gun. You shake the shit out of the lower frequency. This rocks the domains out of whack only to have them return with a vengence. Can you say BEMF, magnetic bias, magnetic shear, Muller, Bedini? This is the process. It is in the videos. Mine and others. You wanted the secret? Well here you go... Ever wonder why capacitors can overcharge? They keep absorbing the high speed charges. That is why you see the slow speed dc create slow speed charging. I take the GK4 and put a diode / cap charging stage on it. The cap accepts the fast charge before it has a chance to fly off. Seems as though the faster the energy the more empty the cap is...

This is very simple to do. In fact so simple that you will harm your equipment and yourself before you figure it out. LOL.  ;D

Now go back and review what IST was spouting. He was and is correct all along.

When we mine for gold we don't take the dirt to market. We only take the nuggets.

Sorry for  topic but if we would find the correct mosfet or other electronic switch then we  loose time for preparing for expected big solar storm in 2012. :(

It is important to find how to replace such electronic switch.
Rotary spark gap may be too slow.Can we make special vacuum or inert gas tube spark gap aka tube-mosfet ? If so then how ? Just two carbon or metal electrodes with ball ends all surrounded by metal sheet ? Maybe that was the case for Edwin gray switching element tube ? Can we scale up mosfet into such electrostatic grid switching element tube  PLEASE !? Any ideas ? :o Time's up.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #445 on: June 29, 2010, 12:58:57 AM »
giantkiller

I see it from other point of view, that's why I must rethink what you said.
I know that it's all about method of switching but currently the only switching devices I know are mosfets,vacuum tube,spark gaps,rotary spark gaps and a few others. All except spark gaps and maybe rotary spark gaps will be unusable after solar storm disaster (vacuum tubes will run only to the point of destruction, but could be possible to make them from scratch?)

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« Reply #446 on: June 29, 2010, 02:28:10 PM »
Solar storms, as far as I know, are detrimental to our circuits only if they are connected to the grid or if they are autonomously operated. I think our grid systems are all connected to an advance warning system comprised of several satellites that are between Earth and the Sun and this gives us something like 120 minutes to unplug our devices. People in planes over the ocean will be in dire straights if they cannot land quickly.

Now if that is not the case and our circuits start blowing from ambient overload even if they are totally unplugged, then circuits would be the least of our worries because we should be toast by then. Also, I don't believe in 2012 end of the world stories. 2012 will come and go.

Then the subject switching, well you could say it is like constructive bitching. You are continuously in an argument with the coils on how its best to drive them. But the coil wants more then a frequency. Guys are using very good frequency but you also need a good duty range and a voltage range to do any meaningful tests.

I have seen builds resonate at no frequency if the duty is not between 10-15%, while others worked only at 52%. One recently worked only at 61%. Imagine just for the frequency and duty, how many combinations you can have.

Now add in the voltage setting. I have seen builds work only at 4 volts input, at 4.5 onwards or 4.0 and below, nothing happens with either the duty or frequency settings. Voltage can either tickle, nourish or drown an effect. Knowing the three effects means you can use them to your advantage.

What this means is if all the guys doing tests could control these three parameters at all times to realize effects, you will be learning so much about all forms of coils, rings, toroids, transformers, inductors, capacitors, etc., all that harbor the electron potential.

If you are stuck at 50% duty circuits then there is a 99% chance that you are missing the boat even before you start. And that is such a damn shame cause we could be learning much faster globally with better tools.

I am thinking that eventually if some guys have the proper tools, then others that make builds but have limited means to test them can just send them to those that do have the tools. I can only imagine all the builds that are just lying around doing nothing because guys have tested their limited ways and deem the build as non-responsive when in actual fact, only 5% of the variables were tested. Anyways, maybe just another dream and I better wake up.

But you can make any coiling scheme, one coil or five (or more) different coils in series or in parallel or in a mix of both. There will always be a frequency/duty/voltage setting to make them all resonate together. That's the beauty of it all.

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« Reply #447 on: June 29, 2010, 03:26:36 PM »
All should go back and read the last few posts of "Sparks" where he talks about electrons and energy.  He practically explains the entire process in a few choice words.

Solar flares are interesting for how they are produced and how they effect our devices.

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« Reply #448 on: June 29, 2010, 03:41:46 PM »
I'm with Wattsup on this one....any talk of 2012 is just plain mentally deficient.  2012 will come and go and then the next worrisome internet conspiracy will start up because some crazy Archaelogist told his nephew's cousin's best friend poodle who happens to twitter a lot that he dug up a rock that looks like the 5th coming of Hitler.  LOL....oh man...people are so weak minded it astounds me!  Not to mention that the information available on the internet (about even 'reliable' things) is so diluted and '1 million hand', you don't know where it started.  It could be a colossal joke.  I know when it comes to circuits and coils, I have come across sites that supposedly swear by the validity of the schematic.  Later, I have discovered it doesn't either work or something is at least half backwards and needs altering.  Yet people will believe 2012 and Aliens going through the rubbish bin (and I'm not talking Mexicans).
To all you 2012 believers out there...has it ever occurred to you that the guy who originally chiseled that Mayan calendar had to end it somewhere!!!?  What was he supposed to do, keep chiseling until the day he dies and then hand the chisel to his son and say "keep going boy, the future generations will worry if we stop it on 2012"?!!  ROFLMAO.

All too funny.

Regards
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« Reply #449 on: June 29, 2010, 05:17:25 PM »
That patent 723188 (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat723188.pdf) clearly shows 2 coils tuned to 2 different frequencies driven by 1 rotor producing 2 spark gaps. The Door bell circuit is also in there.
Figure 5 shows 1 coil driven at each end with 2 frequencies.

Sm states: 'I turn on frequency 'one' then turn on frequency 'two'.'

There is a tube that produces immense RE created by a husband and wife team. Marco headed down this path. Correa tube. http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm.
And I draw the readers attention to this paragraph:
1. Overview of Longitudinal Electrodynamic Interactions and Anomalous Cathode Reaction Forces in 20th Century Physics ~
Science fiction and conspiracy all wrapped into one. But this is real and written in history.
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In the mid-eighties, Prof. P. Graneau and his group showed that electrodynamic explosions induced by kilovolt pulsed ion discharges in pure water were greater by three to four orders of magnitude than expected by established theory

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