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giantkiller

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #405 on: June 20, 2010, 06:32:36 AM »
@Forest,
I know you've seen this before. It has all the devices in it.
SM stated 'weak magnetic field'.
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

Magnacoaster is doing same thing.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #406 on: June 20, 2010, 07:24:15 PM »
    Guys:
   I have a question! 
   It is the same to have an oscillator resonator circuit, that is just turning the pulse on/off, or,  is it really more important to have the whole magnetic domains oscillating from positive to negative and back to positive again, to reach the desired effect?
  My feelings are:  that it's not enough to just turn it off and on, regardless of using AC, DC, high voltage, or a minimum of low voltage.    And that also,  with a Minimum magnetic pulse the whole magnetic domains will entirely shift and oscillate,  and will do the trick, with any coil, possibly thanks to the magnets.   What do you think?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #407 on: June 20, 2010, 07:47:18 PM »
I will ask again : when two magnets are close together N to N pole  - is there a Bloch wall between them ?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #408 on: June 20, 2010, 09:23:43 PM »
No,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloch_wall. It happens in a domain volume of magnetic matter.

And there has to a reconnection of broken flux lines to achieve the 'reading' process. The spark gap causes a huge misalignment in domains. The realignment is the process that creates the retrievable energy.

I will ask again : when two magnets are close together N to N pole  - is there a Bloch wall between them ?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #409 on: June 20, 2010, 10:04:40 PM »
I will ask again : when two magnets are close together N to N pole  - is there a Bloch wall between them ?

No there is not. There will only be a repulsion zone and the two blotch walls will still be in the center of each magnet, between the north and the south.

    Guys:
   I have a question! 
   It is the same to have an oscillator resonator circuit, that is just turning the pulse on/off, or,  is it really more important to have the whole magnetic domains oscillating from positive to negative and back to positive again, to reach the desired effect?
  My feelings are:  that it's not enough to just turn it off and on, regardless of using AC, DC, high voltage, or a minimum of low voltage.    And that also,  with a Minimum magnetic pulse the whole magnetic domains will entirely shift and oscillate,  and will do the trick, with any coil, possibly thanks to the magnets.   What do you think?

The AC is a sine wave that "gradually" changes direction in the "two" wires it is connected too. You would require a DC sine pulse reserving to equal the AC, or almost. Pulse a coil to make a magnets field shift will be very energy intensive.

@MK1

Nice diagram. Just last night before I saw your post I was doing some field polarity mapping of one of my toroidal coils that has just two bucking coils. Yours shows four coils in bucking mode with four more wound at the blotch walls of the first ones. I don't know what effect that will give.

I can tell you that in a bucking coil with two coils, if you apply a steady DC power to it, the polarities will be starting north on first coil, to finish south on first coil then jumps to south on the second coil to finish back to north on the second coil.
If you reverse the power supply those fields will reverse also. But you will never be N S N S. It will either be N S S N or S N N S. I was surprised to see this because where the positive and negative are connected you would expect two polarities but in fact there is only one.

Hmmmmmmm. So if you put a H-Bridge on a bucking coil you will get a very strong shift of the polarities because each side is double the same polarity.

Anyways, if you test that out please let us know what the result is. I may try it myself some time but right now I am up to my neck in tests.


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #410 on: June 20, 2010, 10:17:26 PM »
  Forest & GK:
    As I couldn't open your block wall link, I sent this one instead:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloch_wall  it worked for me.
   I would also agree with GK, and mention that although there is a dipole to everything, it is really only one current force. If interested I can explain.
  My idea of a block wall is the area between the + and - where no magnetic forces are present.  Block wall terminology can be somewhat confusing. 
 
    I know that my previous question concerning magnetic domain reversals may not be very easy to answer, but, if anybody wants take a try at it, please do, as I have more to say about it , but would like to hear your thoughts, just in case they resonate.
                                                                        NZ

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #411 on: June 21, 2010, 12:37:29 AM »
  2 All:   
  Check out this pic of the Keely type sphere.   Vibrational Physics.
   All I can say is... WOW.  sure looks good, but I'll bet it can't pick up the weather report, though.
 
 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #412 on: June 21, 2010, 05:53:13 AM »
  If we collect rf currents on thousands of antennaes and convert the rf currents to power the primary oscillator.  From where would the energy come from to overcome losses in transmission of the power between the primary oscillator and the receiving oscillators and then back again.  The only place I can see it coming from is the restorative energy of the field.  If a core is magnetized and remains magnetized then we would be in trouble.  The energy density would be forever altered in that core.  This is not the case.  The core only retains it's state of magnetic permeation for a defined interval.  Eventually the magnet is destroyed by themal agitation of the atoms involved and you got yourself a little thermal to electrical conversion. By creating the secondary core permeation by use of rf the primary is uncoupled from the secondary.  The events are displaced by time and space.  The secondary currents do not effect the primary core magnetization parameters.  The secondary currents do not effect the impedance of the primary.  The primary can run as if it is choked and drawing very little current but transmitting emwaves.  The receiver then collects the waves in such a manner as to create a current that flows through the magnetizing winding.  The output winding experiences the changing magnetic field and outputs a voltage.  This ouput winding is close coupled magnetically to the receiver winding.  The core material has flipped its domains in response to the primary or middle winding currents.  The output winding has produced an emf in response to the changing magnetic field produced by the rf induced current.  There is a power transfer of say 80percent from transmitter to receiver to ouput.  Now the core material isnt feeling the rf currents anymore and is in an unnatural state.  The ambient energy says your way too ordered and must return to chaos.  The magnetic core domains begin to breakdown until they return to the ambient field conditions.  This magnetic field change is driven from energy of the field not of the primary.  It delivers another 80 percent of the intial energy used by the transmitter.  Thats 16o percent.  Every cycle.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #413 on: June 21, 2010, 09:48:26 AM »
@Forest,
I know you've seen this before. It has all the devices in it.
SM stated 'weak magnetic field'.
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

Magnacoaster is doing same thing.

similar to kunel patent

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/EVGRAY%20research%20-%20Vibrator%20circuit%20By%20Gary%20Porter.pdf



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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #414 on: June 22, 2010, 12:03:55 AM »
A fast switching is a good start whether in solid state or queching. Either way you are to 'get out of the way' as quick as possible to let the natural or physical forces slam it shut. That's all there this to generating it. Now when that closes on a coil the inductance / impedance skyrockets (cannon balls).
Another coil in the vicinity to read that activity. The bucking config then increases the activity.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #415 on: June 22, 2010, 12:26:24 AM »


So Chef why did you disappear?

There is a lot more to the ground plane blocking rotation based on polarity i was going to show you.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #416 on: June 22, 2010, 12:43:29 AM »
Sorry, I don't like  places, where peoples got messages after posting, from the admins, to remove, what they said, and think, let it be anything. I know in this case, it was nothing serious, but if that  happens, who knows who read you privat messages, privat chat logs, etc., and what would be the next censored post  :-[

wow must have missed that - did they ask you to remove something technical or just an off color comment?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #417 on: June 22, 2010, 01:18:46 AM »
@Loner

I am not qualified enough to answer your questions but I would imagine everything is relative to what is being used to produce the RE and to capture the RE. Everything has its own frequency response and trying to produce a set standard may be difficult.

Good question though.

@Chef

Man oh man I like that spiraling. Especially inside the coil. Was that coil being energized or pulsed or  just open or short circuited. Have you ever tried using a good sized toroid coil with a bucking winding around that tube, or, even a pancake coil just to see the reaction. Pretty nice to see the effect live. Thanks.

@All

Very curiously I tried the previous diagram I posted with a stranded copper loop and a outer coil wire of "I think" aluminum or tinned. It is the first time I have ever pulsed something that did not even give me anything on the secondary. There is a slight coupling but very slight. Almost dead. I will try it with more different wire types and also adjust where in the blotch or just out of the blotch wall the wires come out. I think this is a good omen that when I hit the right mix, it should work great. Just have to better understand the parameters.

I asked a question on the Tariel Kapanadze thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg246130#msg246130
I wonder what the answer would have been.
Two Earth grounded potentials on a coil. Could that produce a North singular polarity? That would be great if you knew how to pulse it without destroying the polarity? Put that with Earth's South polarity and you have the two ingredients for further coupling. But maybe that is tooooooo easy.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #418 on: June 22, 2010, 03:24:31 AM »
Notice that  the spiraling has a self-canceling effect since it accelerates on one side and then decelerates on the other side.   This is all well-known, but still an excellent clue.

dV/Dt isn' a good way to look at it.   150 million volts per second just doesn't sound right.   Look at the rate of change and the peak voltage.  You want a lot of voltage and a fast rate of change.  The popular term "stop the current" is true to some degree, but is a poor statement as you can't and do not need to stop it, only restrict it and slow it down.  The aspect that you want preceeds the current and is a well-known occurance by another name.

RE really isn't the mystery that everyone makes it out to be and anyone that perpetuates the "mystery" is is full of crap.






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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #419 on: June 22, 2010, 05:06:52 AM »
Thanks to all!

I will qualify my Question a bit, just for the clarity, but I am now sure that this one will have to be answered by experimentation.  The dV/dt I'm talking about, better known as rate of change, is the ONLY value I wish to spec out, for the time being.  (I'm really into baby steps on this one...)

This value, at some level, will be fast enough to produce what I will call the "RE Effect".  Once the "Base" minimum is known, then adding an inductance, instead of a simple block of copper, will be much easier to determine other effects.  There are THREE areas I'm looking at.  (Very simple, but...)  The initial Rise, where I expect effect # one.  The "Steady state", where current has started to flow, and standard electrical rules begin to apply.  This is just to mark it happens.  Second, the Fall, where there are two aspects.  The speed of the fall will have TWO separate effects.  One is the fall, due to the initial "Rise" and the other is the fall from the steady state "Current".  THESE TWO are what I need to define, as there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what the differences of them are.  (For me, at least...) At this point, I don't even know if the rise and fall time requirements are the same!  (All this assumes Minimal Inductance, to simplify the experiment as much as possible.  I.E.  Max 1/2 Turn.  Any more than that and all the basics for normal current start playing on my head and need to be accounted for.  This seems simpler to me, for now.)

GK, good Magnetic concept.  I'm starting to question if the "Initial" pulse, before "Current" flows, has normal Magnetic Effects.  I will keep what you mention firmly in the back of my head for addition, once the basics are within my grasp.

Wattsup, that is interesting, but I can't wrap my head around that one.  I would only be able to see that N-N magnet with a true dipole current that was previously modified to remove "Normal" current.  I Can wonder, though.

OK, I've blabbed enough.  Thanks for the input.  (Loved the spirals!  One day the light bulb may light in my head, but not yet....   Yeah, I'm slow.)

(If I ever get "Useful" results, I'll post the prints, part spec sheets, etc.  I don't feel the need to clog things up with my useless junk.)

Loner, there are very few people that can answer your questions.  Most just do  not know the correct answers, more are not at will to discuss it, and the last couple of people aren't here. 

See, the little RE thing that Tesla discovered is the masterlink of the chain.  Without it, you got nothin'.