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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #240 on: April 23, 2010, 08:46:12 PM »
@Otto,
Thanks very much.
I will pulse opposing, like inverse parallel with a bridge on it.

@Wattsup,
I wokeup!
http://cgi.ebay.com/LITZ-WIRE-10-44-250-ft-/220437116031?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335313747f
Litz wire is an obvious choice for the center toroid device.
Expense is emphasized as in 'this is the choice of the wire' on the center toroid device.
He could get many seperate xfilars with one wrap. Once again 'VERY WELL HIDDEN'!

But I have one question that I dont remember being addressed before. The center toroid winding looks like it is embedded in a hardened goop. Like he took a ratshack spool, wound iron wire around it, wrapped the litz wire on it and then gooped the device and wiped it down to expose the out portion of the windings.


@all,
Major Bloch wall jacking this weekend!
I will attach a bridge as a load.
I wire as shown.

The magamp config is a very flexible setup.
The current iron core one is bucking. If I need a none bucking coil I whip out the GK4. And it has 3 layers for even more extreme configurations. AyEEEE!

We're getting close.
http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2010/04/21/30mar10_prom_304_big.jpg




« Last Edit: April 23, 2010, 10:25:33 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #241 on: April 24, 2010, 06:30:39 AM »
@otto

Thank you for your post. I have taken it into consideration for next trials.

@GK

Good go'in as usual. That's what I have been trying to show with my toroid build with 2 pri and 2 sec. Just with that I made the 60 volts FTPU show.

Today I did not do any testing. I finished my animation of the Voltage Grabber Circuit. The damn file is 17mb. It took 223 frames to change, copy and paste into my animation program. Anyways, I put it here.

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/voltage-grabber-circuit-VGC/

Just click on the wattsup-VGC1a.gif file.

To do the switching, if it cannot be done electronically at a low voltage consumtion, imagine using a spiked drum like in those pianos that play music without the pianist. The protruding tips coincide with the opening or closing of the caps. Put that drum on a small wind mill to get it turning. Connect all your caps. You have something like that Testatika thingy. There were a lot of caps around that device of different sizes and there was a turning something there also. lol

The main relationship between the VGC and Understanding Electricity in the TPU is that you can use the same system in the TPU. Take two or more smaller TPU outputs, put it into just 2 or 3 caps then unload all at the same time to the final output. The VGC is showing it in a grander scale but you can have as many caps in each stage as you want.

Now if we can eventually make a small TPU like the STPU or 6TPU, then 8 of these would equal the LTPU. If SM put eight 6TPUs in his LTPU or four in the MTPU, then like in the MTPU, when he cut one out with a jigsaw he was left with three. If the MTPU was a quad, he would have had 90 degrees to cut into so he was absolutely sure to only be in one because he cut about 30 degrees out of the MTPU. Sneaky guy that SM. When SM cut the MTPU, by doing so and reconnecting it to make it work at a lower voltage output, he then proved that his device did not have to be in a circle to work. lol

My next tests with Litz wire will help determine this.

Regarding the Litz you showed I have some of that. It is very thin wire, only 10 strands of 44 awg. My last purchase is 1650 strands of 44 awg.

Maybe consider this one in the 10 strands type.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/1-2-lbs-28-AWG-Copper-Litz-Wire-Type-1-10-38-AWG-STRAND_W0QQitemZ120513185684QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0f254794

But this one will be better I think. But again much more expensive. Damn Litz puts your budget to Fritz.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Litz-wire-660-46-for-crystal-radio-coil-Loop-anten-60_W0QQitemZ150429059561QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item23064549e9

More soon...... the weekend is just starting.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #242 on: April 25, 2010, 06:41:41 AM »
fixed the connections

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #243 on: April 27, 2010, 05:26:19 AM »
After this weekends tests I have come to the conclusion that the system has to float. It cannot touch the grid and cannot be grounded. The energy simply disappears. Remove the cause of the sink and the iron core secondary raises back up to +32vdc. The voltage is probably due to the iron mass, windings and awg, and the length of antenna the circuit portrays. I have a FWBR connected to the second set of coils on the secondary. The voltage stays steady. There is is no ground connection, only a positive on the first set of windings which are not connected to the opposite set. Only coupled with the iron core with no other ground connection any where else. It looks like a 1 wire device with an ambient collection going on. An LED does flicker on when crossed the FWBR dc out! So the ambient charge is slow when compared to the draw rate. Put a cap in parallel and the charging presents a load. The put an LED across the cap and the LED shoots brighter than with out the cap, naturally. I can pulse the LED at a rate of 1/sec. The LED acts as a sparkgap.
The off switch has always been off. I disconnected the battery connections and the LED still fires.
I am very impressed. This next conclusion says that the iron core is in flux contact with the earth's field and the grid emminations.

In all of SM's vids he never connects any of his devices to any ground. When he runs the drill if he would have connected to a grid ground the drill would have stopped. Remove the ground and the drill starts up.
Wattsup showed something similar when the cap discharged and then charged right back up due to his connections.

I will now switch to the dual pulse protocol on the sport model to model an air core / stranded wire. My Litz is on the way. Splitting the Litz conductors in half give a bifilar run.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2010, 06:03:35 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #244 on: April 27, 2010, 07:44:34 AM »
@GK

I am really happy you are seeing some results. Yes the battery negative is not always required. You can use either nothing at all or in some cases I am using my very thick battery cable wire non connected and simply put the ground to that. This is sometimes giving brighter LED.

I will have to make a new video to show my new FTPU mock up with two 1650/44 Litz top and bottom rings onto which I have wound on each ring two 175/46 Litz CCs in bucking mode. The wind was one turn at every 1/4" or there abouts. I connected the top and bottom CCs as @gotolucs mode then put them in series and put only one connection to the PG. I managed now to get about 60 volts dc loaded onto a dioded cap off the rings that are in a special wind that is two complicated to describe so I will show it in the video.

So now I have shown that in the FTPU, I can do the 60 volts show with either the toroid or the ring/CCs. Next is too see any advantage in marrying them together but all this is telling me so much already about the TPU.

First thing is this,

When you look at the FTPU toroid, it is not the same as the LTPU toroids. There was a progression in SMs thinking. In his FTPU he only showed voltage because that is all he could show, like that is all we can show with a toroid that has two equal coils. He wound the toroid with equal number of turns and method. This is my main quandary right now to see if it is worth it or not to push the FTPU any further because I think I have done it and shown 60 volts with peanuts at micro-amps. In the OTPU, sorry to say but he cheated on the amperage otherwise he would have used simple bulb and socket to make the point 100% clear. Again his OTPU showed only voltage because his toroid again had equal winds.

It is only when he arrived at the STPU and 6TPU that we can now see some 1 amp or less with around 100 volts or more. This is where the big leap happened in SMs thinking, and I think I know what he did and then why this new changes made him produce a new center toroid when making the LTPU. He learned how to compress more of the energy.

SM says it is a conversion device. He did not say a transformer that would simply have just a primary and secondary. Step up, step down all without any gain because your are just trading volts for amps. He said a conversion device because there are more steps then a simple transformer. What I think is he is using low voltage pulsing to produce high voltage onthe outer rings, then he is using high voltage step down to produce a usable output. But the question is where the hell does this occur in the TPU and this pushes me right back to the toroid in the FTPU. The wires are not the same in the FTPU and LTPU.

We usually make our transformers with 1,2,3 or 4 coils. On toroids, we usually see 1,2,3 or 4 coils. All depending on how we want to step up or step down the volts/amps. But what if you go really overboard. Like as shown below. Both sides of the coil would look exactly the same and since the center had epoxy filler, you would never know how the toroid was really made. otherwise why take the time to make a filler an mounting on a base plate. His main secret was in plain sight and he knew that visually, know one could figure it out unless they made variations, etc.

The image below shows a left coil of 36 turns and on the right side you have 12 coils of 3 turns. I am showing the right winds going outside the toroid for clarity but in reality they will be heading inwards towards the toroid center. Now if you only just pulse the left coil, what type of juice will come out of the paralleled 12 coils of 3 turns each. As the flux turns around the toroid core, what effect would it have as it passes those smaller coils in parallel. That will be left to discover in the next moves because for me there is not really that many more variables to answer. If it works on a toroid, then his STPU and 6TPU will also use this method but in a different manner. @otto may be very right to say you need a core.

So more fun to come.

wattsup

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #245 on: April 27, 2010, 06:13:28 PM »
@Wattsup

This sounds like a really good direction to move in!  I remember hearing SM mention running a magnet accross a long wire to get a large amount of voltage and then him comparing that by doing the same thing to thousands of of smaller wires.  This would be like the picture you posted with litz wire.

Very interesting!

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #246 on: April 27, 2010, 07:04:19 PM »
@w,
Way cool.
Your right side windings look just like Bruce's. I know that he used steel windings in the control coils. In your picture on the right side I am trying to figure out how and where the 2 windings that did not wrap around the 3 layers fully are hidden or where they wrap to in SM's pictures.
If SM made those and not using the blade terminal connections fits in with him hiding things.
With that I can see these little guys made just like yours and Bruce's with garden wire cores.
I will wind a 4 inch one in approximation to the GK4, GK3 and Mighty little.
3 layers using 3 horizontal turns of iron garden wire on each layer. 30awg vertical wound in 3 sections overlapping like in your right hand side section.
Same number of turns but differing lengths has got me thinking. Bruce used stranded copper cores with steel control windings. There he was able to get a magnetic element into his coils. Even though the windings are perpendicular he was able to create a pulsing magnetic toroidal field around the stranded copper core. Precession comes to mind.

With the difference of the magnetic field aligned with the core or in the control coils the pulsing magnetic field still expands and collapses across the perpendicular copper. The stranding also gives a slight angle to the perpendicularity so the flux can still be broken across a wire.

The really great news is I left the capacitor charging across the coil all night, again no power! Nada, not even a battery connection! Stuck an LED across it this morning and BAM! The LED popped! I didn't even think about putting a meter on it. I wonder what that the voltage was. I have 50vdc now.
This all points to major Bloch wall manipulation. A major inrush occurs when the circuit potential is released.

Also now I believe the ECD was just a build to show electrostatic energy and not anything one could pull power from. It is a copper core so with no magnetic capabilities the core field would vanish very quickly as in no latency or storage capability.


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Itty bitty iron cores of iron garden wire of 3 turns.
First layer, 4 inch diameter done with 22awg rat shack.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2010, 05:56:06 AM by giantkiller »

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« Reply #247 on: April 28, 2010, 05:55:04 AM »
3 iron core layers stacked and triple wound all the way around. 1st layer wound, 2nd & 1st layer, 3rd & 2nd & 1st wound.
Red is primary. Will put all in series as in to the primary then the 1st wind and to the 1st layer core then the 2nd wind and to the 2nd layer core, then the 3rd wind and to the 3rd layer core and out. This will fire like a 3 secondary Tesla coil combination pancake hybrid. It worked on the GK4 no reason why it shouldn't work with this one, the GK10. I will couple each successive coil with a BEMF blocking diode to effectively produce a charge pump.

This build took 5 hours. I can crank these out now. The core loops are wound around a duct tape roll and held in place with shrink tubing. 22awg wraps and stays in place. Would have like to use 30awg but too messy. This little guy should kick butt.

@Wattsup,
If I need to match your drawing specifically I can. But there are 1000 ways to skin a cat. This unit will do the trick. Small too! The wife likes that. Seems safer, ha ha! Should charge up by itself.

Update on iron ring:
It ambiently charges up to 125vdc! Now we know why the LED blows. With the meter left in place it only charges to 33vdc. The meter internals cause this. If I hook the meter up and let the ring charge settle down to 33vdc then the current isn't enuff to blow the LED but just light it. Very interesting build.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2010, 06:22:17 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #248 on: April 28, 2010, 06:01:42 AM »
Looks good Killer

What ya gunna drive it with?


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #249 on: April 28, 2010, 07:54:59 AM »
@GK

OK. OK.

Time to make a new ring configuration because the standard one does not make sense.

When you pulse a coil that is wound over a wire, the coil will have a south, a blotch and a north.

So you can wind a coil over that blotch wall to reinforce it.

But that next coil also has a blotch.

So you wind a coil over that to reinforce that one also.

The coils just go in series from the first to the last.

So imagine what will happen when the first coil reinforces the second coil that reinforces the third coil that reinforces the fourth coil that is wound over the center wire. How much south and north potential will be on that wire?

I will try a variation of this with a new FTPU build and see the difference between that one and the one I just made. lol
This will give a real point of comparison. I put a diagram of my next wind below. You see the black coil has two turns on top and one turn on the bottom. The red coil is two turns on the bottom and one turn on the top. The one turns are placed in the center of the two turns so that half the two turns at each end are not influenced. Will make this tomorrow and test it out in the same manner as before.

In the ECD, The CC primary and secondary are all wound together so two coils have big blotch walls that are not reinforced and all over the place.

So as soon as you wind one coil over another coil and those two coils are the same length, you are just doubling the blotch and not reinforcing it. By reinforcing it, I mean this will make the wire have the smallest blotch wall possible and increase the percentage taken up by the north/south forces.

SM said you wind one coil, then another over it, but he never said completely over it. lol

So in your photo above where you have the isolated iron core wind and have that complete coil wound over it, think of adding another coil over that coil but only half the length and have the new coils center be at the first coils center. Then on that second coil make another coil half of the second and so on for as many as you want. Then you can play with how to connect them in series. And you will be able to just pulse the first one to see what the difference is when you add another and another.

All coils have blotch walls and this is the weakest point in the coil because at each end the potentials are so concentrated to become true north or south fields or positive and negative potentials, it is harder to influence these areas with coil overs. So you are better off hitting the blotch wall, and the blotch wall that just gets hit will better reflect it to the coil ends or polarities.

More soon.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #250 on: April 28, 2010, 06:06:16 PM »
@wattsup,
I see what you say here. I can add and add and add. Your last pic that shows the shorter and shorter coils is the Dollard, evgray, Tesla multipactor. As in multiple compaction at the Bloch wall section.
Also I can connect the 3 separate  iron cores in a mobius / vortext spiral. The combinations are numerous. I can add iron jumpers to close the iron rings.
The red primary is bollo-ed with that nylon connector. I can shift the primary along the circumference.
I will use this build as a base and add the overlay necessary coils.

It's small and fits on the work bench. That is a primary concern of mine. If the coils are as big as a drain pipe or manhole cover that draws negative attention from the unknowledgable. 'Big is bad' syndrome.

So for you guys reading this, here is the household political engineering: Keep the devices small and go to bed on time to reduce any suspicion. To a woman the 4" coil is very 'jewelry' like. If it gets to be the size of drill then problems occur. It begins to look like machinery or weaponization. Old PC cases also become very good shields to testing and hide the devices. The common cry is 'What are you doing with all those PCs? They don't even work!'. Wuhahahaha!

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #251 on: April 28, 2010, 06:32:43 PM »
Killer
Are you suggesting that if someone builds this, that THEY are out looking for and able to detect if someone is running such a device?

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« Reply #252 on: April 28, 2010, 10:14:55 PM »
I have fried a cable box, tripped GFIs and scrambled routers in other parts of the house.

The signature is very damning and outside of the normal spectrum.

Have not the previous men stood up? I don't think so. Only brave clandestine attempts can be made to deliver.

Killer
Are you suggesting that if someone builds this, that THEY are out looking for and able to detect if someone is running such a device?

Mags

I have the second coil made to spec for testing.
The iron core in the right side coil is mobiously connected in a vortex configuration. The core loops in layer 1 then jumps up to layer 2 then jumps up to layer 3 then jumps back down to layer 1. It is configured like a permanent magnet holder.
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #253 on: April 29, 2010, 11:22:36 PM »
Killer
Are you suggesting that if someone builds this, that THEY are out looking for and able to detect if someone is running such a device?

Mags
Might be but I took it to be GK's wife saver routine.   ;D    If these are really doing damage around the house though it would sound like possibly scalar energy getting loose.  Hopefully not though as I think that's a bit hard to shield. 
  GK,  in a recent post you said you were getting 125 volts out of a coil just sitting?  No pulse circuit hooked up?  While I saw SM's TPU stuff many years ago I just found a renewed interest here recently.  With all the big boxes of cable and wire I've got sitting around I think a TPU is a project waiting to happen here...

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« Reply #254 on: April 30, 2010, 12:40:59 AM »
Yes. I was refering to wife. The 4" set of coils are working models of 18" diameter version. The 18" models were too visible as in big is bad. You get the picture?: Big coils, boxes crashing, wall outlets vibrating...
She saw the big coils and blamed them without knowing. I removed them. Now I know why mad scientists live alone. The political shuffling is killing me. Anyway...

And yes I only have 3 fet driver boards hooked up. Dead! I tell ya! No battery connections and no instrument connections or grounds. I have been disconnecting everything to find the source. Probably just a big antenna. I place my isolated VOM on the bridge output momentarily just to see the 125vdc. If I leave the meter on it settles to 33vdc. So: meter off circuit the coil pops LEDS / meter on circuit the LED momentarily flashes bright and the voltage drops, remove LED the voltage moves back to 33vdc. Put the LED back on the 'Meter on circuit' and the LED momentarily flashes bright and the voltage drops. Like an ambient Joule thief. It is a rats nest of jumper leads.

I will youtube it and show the mess but will clarify the 'no connections' visually. Bolt told me 2-1/2 years ago to get on batteries. I have been off the grid in my experiemtns ever since. I even bought an isolated OWON portable scope/vom.

Why me, Lord? I just want a TPU! It is just a small request but I have to go to both ends of the universe and learn everything in the middle? Agh!

This is not a trick or fanfare play. I don't have time for games. This is just a byproduct of something else I was pursuing. As Alexander Graham Bell exclaimed "x*-34fgr!" when he got burnt by acid as he was trying to invent the telephone. Go figure. When the LED popped I exclaimed 'Ah, damn!' Then I researched the problem out to find it was something needed all along. Guess I'll go down in the history books as a famous inventor too. ;D

Might be but I took it to be GK's wife saver routine.   ;D    If these are really doing damage around the house though it would sound like possibly scalar energy getting loose.  Hopefully not though as I think that's a bit hard to shield. 
  GK,  in a recent post you said you were getting 125 volts out of a coil just sitting?  No pulse circuit hooked up?  While I saw SM's TPU stuff many years ago I just found a renewed interest here recently.  With all the big boxes of cable and wire I've got sitting around I think a TPU is a project waiting to happen here...
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