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giantkiller

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #210 on: April 12, 2010, 10:22:41 PM »
@qwert,
Thank you for that.
The dual 9 volt battery stun gun can run for that long. Especially if you put a slow astable window pulse to control the main trigger closure. Another way is to use a reed relay just like in tesla's patent, 723,188. He is injecting chatter into the separately tuned coils, 2 coils of different inductance.
The stun gun oscillator is 5khz.
It showers the environment with broad band transmissions.
This emission is caught by other nearby conductors. This includes any incident angle.
And if you need a certain megahertz by the resonance or pickup of your receiving antenna then your antenna will see the area of resonance in the spectrum going by.

I will test the stun gun as a driver to Wattsup's build. My suspicion is the LED will light when I could not get to before.

Now how could we come up with anything different than Tesla? He only had mechanical RPM or CPS. The stun gun circuit is the Ozone generator.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #211 on: April 13, 2010, 12:17:31 AM »
Most of the worlds most revolutionary discoveries are usually very simple, but hard to understand. This is why it takes so long to discover them.

Examples: Electricity, Fire, Engines... ect..

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #212 on: April 13, 2010, 06:20:13 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

sorry, youre wrong: the 5kHz vibration is a result of mixing 2 frequencies that are much higher then the mentioned 5kHz vibration.

To pulse coils with 5kHz or below makes no sence because we know that such low frequencies causes a dramatically rise in current from the power supply.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #213 on: April 13, 2010, 02:17:40 PM »
@otto

Thank you for the correction. I also know that lower frequencies consume more juice even at 5kHz so this is why I am puzzled how that engineer could see this in the TPU and not see the higher frequencies also.

@All

Parallel to what I am trying out in this thread, there is this question that has been bugging me for quite some time now as to how to go about making a circuit that can receive a continuous and infinite supply of 1 volt at .01 amps. This is about the minimum anyone can catch just by putting a single wire outside their home, connecting it to a radiant energy circuit that outputs two wires. But what the hell can anyone do with this energy?

I don't think inductors will be useful because they will produce both losses and emit other energies. So my only thinking is to use capacitors. It is very difficult for me to explain what I am thinking such a circuit would required so I have vulgarized this into the below diagram. I wanted to make it in animation but lack of time these days make this hard to do. I will eventually do it though.

I call this potential circuit a "Voltage Grabber Circuit" or VGC for short. There is nothing on Google using this naming so I think it is pretty safe to use to identify this specific circuit.

With all humility and humble respect for everyone here, if you ask me, all the main EE guys that are here to design circuits are just wasting their god given talents. The only real circuit the OU endeavor needs is an open source VGC. Make me one of those and the OU question will become history. The VGC is the one tool we are missing in our arsenal of toys to play with. Think of it like a smart capacitor.

Just consider that a suitable 1 wire input has the potential to supply an infinite quantity of 1 volts at .01 amps on two wires. You can grab 1 per second, or 1 million per second or 100 million per second. Either way, the energy will always be there available to the circuit. Now take that 1 volt and accumulate it until you get 10 volts. Bingo, the job is done. OK not so easy. I know.

The problem is that storage methods are not designed or available that can work in an additive fashion. If I send this power into a capacitor for 1 hour, I will still only have that same first power, nothing more because capacitor will only absorb the highest voltage put into it and not accumulate voltage.

So what do you do. Well I think this has to be solved in various stages.

As a STAGE 1 (small orange boxes are small capacitors) you can feed capacitor #1 with 1 volt then put it offline, then feed capacitor #2 with 1 volt then put that one offline also, then cap #3, up to cap #10 or up to how many you want. Then you put all the caps in series with the main ends still disconnected then you discharge them into a bigger holding capacitor (longer orange boxes are bigger capacitors) that is STAGE 2. Now either the stage 1 caps are charged individually or they can possible be charged all at the same time if all connected in parallel at charge state.

Once the second stage is charged up, they also go into series and discharge into the largest capacitor. Remember those two big yellow caps in the LPTU. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Possible dual VGC.

SM mentioned once that the control circuit was patented. What if it was just a VGC that worked with only 2 caps in first stage and 1 cap as a last stage. The diagram below is just to show the idea, the principle of how to accumulate larger energy from a small energy source. I do not think there is any other way.

Yes we are working on other ways, but in the interim, I think this type of circuit will prove to be extremely useful.

Anyways, if anyone knows how to really design such a circuit, please let me know. Image a 120 cap 1st stage, 10 cap 2nd stage, and if you want 3rd and 4th stages. All from an initial low power source. The source is there. That is simple. But what to do with it is the question I am asking. My basic solution is if it is there, grab it while you can, store it, group it and put it aside. Hmmmmmm. 3-6-9 would be a good staging for this also.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #214 on: April 13, 2010, 02:30:17 PM »
This is about the minimum anyone can catch just by putting a single wire outside their home, connecting it to a radiant energy circuit that outputs two wires. But what the hell can anyone do with this energy?

wattsup


http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=UesaAAAAEBAJ&dq=5436822

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=Uk13AAAAEBAJ&dq=7041203


?????

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #215 on: April 13, 2010, 04:35:42 PM »
@wings

That patent is for picking up from preenergized cable. Not directly relative but it is still very interesting. Thank you.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #216 on: April 13, 2010, 05:31:00 PM »
@wattsup

What about using your idea but the input is coming from a AM radio.  I think I was able to get .043vdc off the one I built.  It had no ground, just a loop antennt. .043*25 caps charged to that =1.075vDC.  Of course distance from your local radio tower would make a difference. 

Not ideal but an idea.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #217 on: April 14, 2010, 08:29:18 PM »
similar ?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3696.0

MIT experiment one transmitter many receivers....more efficiency - posted by Broli at Energetic forum

"Although predicted by theory, the increase in efficiency when powering two devices at the same time had not been previously demonstrated in experiments. The team that carried out the recent work — Kurs, Moffat and Soljačić — found that when powering two devices at once, which individually could achieve less than 20 percent efficiency in power transfer, the combined efficiency climbed to more than 30 percent. The two receiving coils resonate with each other as well as with the transmitting coil, and help to reinforce the strength of the magnetic field. Kurs says that the efficiency should continue to rise as more devices are added, climbing toward a theoretical limit of 100 percent. The research has been funded by the NSF, the Army Research Office, DARPA, and a grant from 3M."

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/wireless-power-0409.html

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #218 on: April 15, 2010, 03:20:56 PM »
@wings

Thanks for putting up that thread. Just goes to show that relatively nothing is new but only rehashed time after time. Maybe at each endeavor we can push it forward a few steps. We will see since I have many other angles to do with the one wire method.

@all

Looking at the SM TPUs, it is also our responsibility to openly consider all potential methods of operation of the device, weather we like the final outcome or not.

While is was pulsing my recent toroid which I put again below, I noticed a funny coincidence and made a Video 9 located here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EFZuJKHxsc

In the video I am showing the toroid connected as per @gotolucs mode where my pulse positive is going to (G) and negative going to (F). My secondary is connected the same way with the load taken from (C) and (B). I used @gotolucs mode because is shows the highest inductance potential with this toroid core.

Now in the FTPU video all SM showed was a voltage rise up to around 60 volts. We know his videos were very well rehearsed and he made very great care to only show what he wanted to show and in essence detract from things he did not want to show. In the case of the FTPU, he never lit a bulb, not even an LED. This tells me he could not lit a regular bulb with this device and all he showed was voltage, touting it as an energy conversion device.

From all my tests so far, given that the FTPU had only two rings of 2 1/4 turns with some scantily wound outer coil, there is no way in hell that the coupling between the coils will generate enough power to light a regular bulb. It just will not happen with such low possible energy supply. So I decided to use just the center toroid and in the video you will see the results and come to your own conclusion. I am not saying this is the definite thing, but this does provide a concrete possibility that the center toroid does in fact have a primary and hidden secondary windings, shown with the two different wire gauges leaving the SM toroid. And, if that is in fact the case, then all his outer rings, etc were are smoke and mirrors to detract from this one component that he so readily is not afraid of showing both in the FTPU, OPTU, MTPU and LTPU (2).

If the toroid was so normal and run of the mill, why did he always use that same model build. Why not just take any commercial toroid that is wound in bucking mode. Why insist on only using that particular toroid? Because it is not so run of the mill. This may also explain the highest amperage readings in the LTPU because this is where the prime coupling event occurred.

So for me, the following video proves the concrete possibility that the FTPU was only driven by the center toroid to do his demo. He also used this toroid in the OTPU and showed 90 something volts, which I did also. But int he OPTU he used those heavy lamps. Why use heavy lamps when all his other videos used lighter lamps. Why take the risk of having people think he had batteries inside the lamps. One would take that risk in one did not have any other choice to make  his video. So he showed voltage on the multimeter, and showed amperage by lighting those bulbs and all this could have been done very easily.

So now I am thinking the FTPU was just a show of voltage because he could only show voltage, and the OTPU show voltage the same way as with the FTPU but this time he had batteries inside the lamps to also show amperage and this is the video that clinched the deal.

So for me right now, one proven possibility is that SM did show the exact function of the FTPU and OTPU as a voltage producer but he faked the amperage production in the OTPU video. This does not mean I will not work to prove this is wrong, but so far, Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Looks like SM pulled a fast one at least on the OTPU.

More soon.

Oh, I am ordering some Ltiz wire 1000 strands. Very expensive stuff. lol

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #219 on: April 15, 2010, 10:35:26 PM »
Those center toriods are mounted on a base that have two male bayonet tangs. One is slim and one is wide. Just like car audio speaker connections. The odd thing is he never connects to them. As far as Litz go you can use the ezflow Audio cable. I believe he wrapped 90 degrees on that also.

Like Marco showed: voice coils.

Put a 10meg resisitor across the cap and disconnect it from the circuit then measure the voltage. It should disappear as in ghost voltage or short it separately(you won't see a spark). Seen this many times.

The leds are lit from 27milliwatts.

Use a 555 board to pulse it. This is similar to the oscilator in the stun gun on a nine volt battery.

The large loops could be a hoax. After all he never damaged the center units. This would be a good ploy to focus attention on the centers. Another misnomer. Marco and Grumpy advertised the center toroid too as a being very important. They mentioned it as a magamp. In my view that was a purposeful NDA misnomer.

I will fire a stun gun into my bucker. I can put a second layer on it also. I will also try my iron ring.

What if SM fired two stun gun circuits into the outer loops also. My thinking has always been that he took a stun gun and altered the last stage into a bigger loop. He told me not to fire the stun gun into a 15 foot diameter audio cable loop in the yard. The FAA would see it.
If you look at the last stage of a stun gun there is a big cap and ignition type coil there.
Then the emmissions from the outer loop would smack the center toroids.

Sm told me 'No big loop'.
Moab said 'I dont need  To use a stun gun'.
Grumpy posted a Tesla picture showing multiple spark gap stages.
Grumpy posted 'No NDA. Just end up in jail'

What if I invert what SM and Moab said and take that as a 'Yes' to what I tried?
That would make what Grumpy said as peritinent.

There was and has been so many things to try that was and is easy to just take what people said at face value. I was just the new guy then. But now after all the attempts, papers, patents, inventors have all shown the same event in different ways. Jack up the Bloch wall. This is an electrostatic process.

Si, Kemosabe?

« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 01:11:49 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #220 on: April 16, 2010, 03:50:39 PM »
Current build:

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #221 on: April 16, 2010, 05:40:32 PM »
@GK

Nice one man. I see it is in @gotoluc's bucking mode.

Youz gonna have sum fun wit dat. lol

Also, noticed you have a good number of secondary turns which makes it a perfect candidate to also try the Tesla Coil method.

Send pulse into one Pri, then send that Pri to either the Sec under it or opposing it, in either direction. Like a cannon. I think your build will be better then mine when I test it that way this weekend.

Then consider from there either open ended system or closed via a capacitor and load.

Have fun. Will be back soon. lol

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« Reply #222 on: April 16, 2010, 06:37:27 PM »
Thanks.
I had the primary winding of 24awg(gold) on the secondary(red) at the start/break of the secondary(red) windings before and wound in the opposite wrapping direction but pulsed in the same secondary winding direction for about 1/3 the way. I stripped it off and rewound it going the same direction both in the wrap and wind direction for a full 100% of the secondary. I have 2 more rings from Ironhead that I can also config up. I have seen 3 distinct types of primaries, and this has not been mentioned to my knowledge. One is a heavy gauge low wind count, two is medium gauge, semi high winding count, 3 is sloppy. Type 1 is not included in the resonance factor but merely a loop transmission with the energy impacting the secondary perpendicular. Type two relies on resonance of 1/4, 1/2 or full wavelength of the secondary resonance. Both types have their place. I believe the stun gun circuit is a type 3 which is no resonance but just a charge pump. The transformer is merely used as an isolation and transfer component.

My curiosity has always been piqued by the low loop count primaries positioned at one place on the secondary or spread across the full length. The GK4 was an iron core conductor winding with high awg and high wind count secondary. And the primary was multistrand for the full length of the secondary. But the bucking mode was only half correct because the winding segments were all wound in the same wrap and wind direction. The semi bucking config could only be gained by jumpers like Tesla's patent,390721, 382282. I see this as important based on Wattsup's and Gotoluc's current build. So I felt this could not be used at this time.

This current build is 11:308 ratio. Not mass to mass matched, nor resonant matched or (sub)wavelength matched. Wattsup kept repeating 'The specs are not important at this time'. Golden words to my ears. This also matches up with Don Smith's wire wrapping demo around his arm, saying 'just do this'.

@GK

Nice one man. I see it is in @gotoluc's bucking mode.

Youz gonna have sum fun wit dat. lol

Also, noticed you have a good number of secondary turns which makes it a perfect candidate to also try the Tesla Coil method.

Send pulse into one Pri, then send that Pri to either the Sec under it or opposing it, in either direction. Like a cannon. I think your build will be better then mine when I test it that way this weekend.

Then consider from there either open ended system or closed via a capacitor and load.

Have fun. Will be back soon. lol
« Last Edit: April 16, 2010, 09:11:43 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #223 on: April 17, 2010, 05:08:15 AM »
 Two bucking magnetic fields create consequent poles.  This creates more torsion at the expense of angular velocity.
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #224 on: April 17, 2010, 07:14:19 AM »
Wattsup's setup reproduced.
5 dcv 718khz square wave in. Stressed 2.92vac sine wave out on secondary.
Odd: LED is brightest when the secondary is lowest 2.9vac p-p.
But that could the resonant freq of the secondary.
Yep! Amperage is lowest.

I use 30kv 510pf cap and HVR-1X microwave diode.
I have amp meter in line with main and voltage across battery supply.
I need to put ampmeter in line with coil and vom across cap.