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sumermagor

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #135 on: January 01, 2010, 04:54:30 PM »
I think we have to work together rather then alone in SM's case, it would be good if we set up a group, and every member experiment with different techniques,  and each time somebody done an experiment and it is not working we would tick one square out, so next time others dont waste their time with it. by this we are closing the ''not working'' and opening the door faster to the solution
and everybody would have contact in skype or something,

anybody say good idea?

best wishes
SM

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #136 on: January 01, 2010, 05:09:24 PM »
@Supermagor

The guys here were doing it this way over the years. I worked independently from them but sometimes I popped in to see what's going on. There is also a topic somewhere where they posted what has been tried already.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #137 on: January 01, 2010, 06:19:46 PM »
  Tesla used pitchblende on the surface of his insulated pipes down in the ground on his transmitter in New Jersey.
He needed to ionize the air down there to form a superconductor between the pipes and the Earth.  Only superconductors that are remotely affordable are plasmas.  Copper is a negative plasma but still has alot of problems with electrons going the wrong way due to their magnetic dipole moments interacting with the neuclear dipole moments.  Thermal agitation of the copper mass creates this resistance and why copper needs to be supercooled to act as a decent electron conduit.  Pitchblende contains radioactive decaying elements when electromagnetically stimulated will produce fast particles which will induce ionization of air.  The subsequent superconducter is like filling the tunnels Tesla made down in the ground with supercooled copper.  Tesla was really ingenious. 

   Below is what I feel Tesla was doing along with SM with copper mass.  By first creating a longitudinal sound wave within the stout copper bar attached to capacitor plates acting as electrostatic speakers.  Then by delaying the feed to one of the capacitor by use of either a piece of steel or a choke the standing wave appears to move.  This would be the introduction of a frequency of the same root but at a different time within the same resonant cavity.  This causes the nodes to move within the resonant cavity.  The nodes and antinodes appear to oscillate within the copper mass and the wave appears to travel.  The load is capacitavely coupled to fixed positions on the waveguide and will see voltage changes depending on the passage of the nodes and antinodes which alternately charge and discharge the load plates.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #138 on: January 01, 2010, 07:58:19 PM »
Wow, that midnight champagne really got to my brain, especially since I am not used to drinking. lol

Guys have some good points on the table. I don't know how to look at it all. Usually when postulating a TPU theory, it is very useful to describe function but to also point to the actual physicals of the known TPUs in order to make the theory to device link, otherwise we are left open to grand misunderstandings.

@sparks

I like the theory in general but, I think first and foremost, pitch was used on the grounding rods or pipes as a fast hardening and durable insulator, since those rods or pipes have to be insulated for the earth surrounding them. Looking at your drawing, it would seem to me that your complexity level is a good 8 of 10, when the SM TPUs should not be more then a 4 or 5. That's the way I try to keep things real when looking at ideas. SM was not a rocket scientist. He found one anomaly which is a great achievement during any one persons lifetime, maybe two anomalies at best would be considered rather exceptional. He took that and applied it in varying forms, but always keeping to the base function.

I guess what I am trying to say is if you, @sparks, can get such a device idea to pan out into a working device, then in my book you would be considered an SM times 10 given the level of complexity.

Re: @EMs video

Yes we have seen that video when he made it and it is discussed on another thread.

Don't forget that @EM was using a hidden transmitter in that video, or if I am mistaken please correct me.

But what I can retain from his video, if I am wrong in thinking he had a hidden transmitter is as follows, considering he had a ring (larger diameter loop) and a coil (smaller one with the light). And consider a future control coil (CC) wound over the ring. So ring with or without a CC and a coil.

This would have to be tested of course. Now if the ring/coil worked only with a nearby transmitter, it does not matter. What we want to learn about is the after effects. So leave the transmitter on.

1) Take the ring and make the coil LED light up as you usually do.
2) It works. Great.
3) OK now wrap a haphazardly wound copper wire CC over the ring and just leave it disconnected.
4) Now try the ring/coil LED again.
5) If the LED does not light up what does this mean. We need to know why a disconnected CC is acting like a cloaking medium.
6) If the LED does light up with a disconnected CC that would be totally great.
7) Now try it again but just connect the CC ends together and test again.
8) If the LED does not light up what does this mean. We need to know why a connected CC is acting like a cloaking medium.
9) If the LED does light up with a connected CC, again, that would be totally great.
10) If 9 is valid, then take the CC ends and apply a very small dc voltage to it. See the effect on the coil LED. Play with the applied voltage level to the CC and learn the effects.
11) If 10 is valid with a still lit LED on the coil, then remove the DC power supply and connect the CC ends in series with the coil. Try that one for size and see if the LED still lights or if it lights up stronger.
12) If 10 is not good and the coil LED is not lit, try the same thing but this time use a DC pulse and sweep all the frequencies to find a working frequency that will still light the coil LED.
13) If 12 is attainable, then make a small circuit that can pulse at the frequency found, put it in series with the coil and then put the CC in series with the coil and the circuit.

Bingo you are on your way. If none of the above works, then remove the copper CC coil and wind an aluminum CC wire. It may be that you need the pulse or straight DC without the CC magnetic field so the ring can still receive directly form the CC without being cloaked to send it to the coil/LED. if this works in a loop, try eventually shutting off the hidden transmitter and see if the device can be self feeding once it is started.

What I am trying to convey here is methodology. All experiments should have a methodology that can produce either positive or negative results, but regardless of the result, you are always moving forward in your knowledge accumulation. This is the long and tedious method we all should apply to our builds, whatever we decide to do.

Don't just build, test one thing, then decide it is not feasible. You could be a few steps away from a grand discover if you use some form of methodology. Otherwise, we may as well all learn to throw darts at flies. Good luck on that one.

So when you have a build, wean it for all it can show you. Like drawing water from a rock. This will make you a better and more pragmatic researcher and all together will aid in the mutual progression of this quest for FE. You do not have to relay all your results, just anything that really stands out of the ordinary. This way we are not overly saturated with data, unless of course if it presented in a cohesive manner.

All the best. Now back to the bench for me.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #139 on: January 01, 2010, 08:12:04 PM »
i have read that thread where they discussed EMdevices work,
and they said Steven Mark Is a big scammer.
But never know..
we havent been there. we havent seen the real parts and everything,
Do you guys think Tpu can be only just Somekind of Antenna which use power from your house wires?

Since I've read That Jack Durban Said who filmed the device, that he Steven Mark did not let him look at the device more closely, (parts)
everything is possible,
Anyway we have to continue, we might explore the real phenomena.
Best Wishes
Sumer

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #140 on: January 01, 2010, 10:45:32 PM »
   This experiment with the stout copper bars etc was done and documented by Tesla.  I would like to apologise to the poster who went through the troube of uploading a complete text of a book The Inventions Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla by Thomas Comerford Martin for I am indebted to this person for his efforts and can not find the link on ou to get his name and thank him properly.
  I do believe that SM used the rotation of a standing wave while Tesla used the oscillation of a standing wave.  (a standing wave only stands relative to time and can move in 3d)  Well anyway if you can move the nodes and antinodes of a conductor that is in standing wave mode they will alternately change the polarity of a capacitor plate by electrostatic charge and discharge of the plate that is geometrically in alignment with the nodes.  The electrons in the load circuit respond to the electrostatic field and migrate through the load until they terminate on the plate.  Towards the antinode and away from the node.  The capacity determining the amount of current flow through the load.  If the node and antinode are caused to migrate the current is then reversed in the load circuit until the plates are equal in charge.  If the nodes return we get pulsed dc to work with if they are circulated then we get ac.  This is due to electrostatic induction. Cold currents converted to hot currents by the electrostatic charging of a capacitor. 
   Tesla used the electrostatic "movement" of polarized mass to instigate longitudinal waves through a compressible medium.  The electrons dont move persay they get more dense or rarified just like air molecules transmitting sound waves. 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #141 on: January 01, 2010, 11:49:37 PM »
8 ) If the LED does not light up what does this mean. We need to know why a connected CC is acting like a cloaking medium.


It does NOT light up,  and this is easily understood by induction theory.  This extra "CC" winding is also a one turn loop, that is shorted, so it shorts the external field and it can't induce energy into my resonant loop.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #142 on: January 02, 2010, 08:56:05 AM »
8 ) If the LED does not light up what does this mean. We need to know why a connected CC is acting like a cloaking medium.


It does NOT light up,  and this is easily understood by induction theory.  This extra "CC" winding is also a one turn loop, that is shorted, so it shorts the external field and it can't induce energy into my resonant loop.

EM

@EM, thanks this says alot.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #143 on: January 02, 2010, 01:02:21 PM »
   This experiment with the stout copper bars etc was done and documented by Tesla.  I would like to apologise to the poster who went through the troube of uploading a complete text of a book The Inventions Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla by Thomas Comerford Martin for I am indebted to this person for his efforts and can not find the link on ou to get his name and thank him properly.
  I do believe that SM used the rotation of a standing wave while Tesla used the oscillation of a standing wave.  (a standing wave only stands relative to time and can move in 3d)  Well anyway if you can move the nodes and antinodes of a conductor that is in standing wave mode they will alternately change the polarity of a capacitor plate by electrostatic charge and discharge of the plate that is geometrically in alignment with the nodes.  The electrons in the load circuit respond to the electrostatic field and migrate through the load until they terminate on the plate.  Towards the antinode and away from the node.  The capacity determining the amount of current flow through the load.  If the node and antinode are caused to migrate the current is then reversed in the load circuit until the plates are equal in charge.  If the nodes return we get pulsed dc to work with if they are circulated then we get ac.  This is due to electrostatic induction. Cold currents converted to hot currents by the electrostatic charging of a capacitor. 
   Tesla used the electrostatic "movement" of polarized mass to instigate longitudinal waves through a compressible medium.  The electrons dont move persay they get more dense or rarified just like air molecules transmitting sound waves.


Good catch sparks.This is why Fig 2 is in Tesla method of conversion patent.

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« Reply #144 on: January 02, 2010, 04:39:09 PM »
@EM, thanks this says alot.

@EM

It was late last night so let me just expand on your response of #8.

Would it not be reasonable to assume that since you know that a shorted CC on a ring prevents transfer from the ring to the coil, and an open CC does not, that given the design of the FTPU, ring with CC, that if SM was using the ring to coil HV transfer method, that either the FTPU CC was never connected or...............

This is the "or" part, in order for him to use the ring, he basically used the CC via a small transistor that would open and close the CC short. A very small transistor because all you are doing is opening and closing a non energized wire and by doing so you are pulsing the ring without any direct intrusion, a virtual on and off of the ring that would then pulse a signal going to the coil. Why pulse. because we already know from so many other tests that pulsing create peaks.

If you have gotten to stage #8, the other stages would still be valid to try from that perspective to better understand what is going on. Then even try the same test progression with an aluminum CC.

Anyways, since I do not have a working ring/coil, I cannot myself answer or try to further this, so I will leave it alone. I definitely do not want to come across as a pestering idiot, so let's just move on then.

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« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2010, 05:01:16 PM »
@all

I started this new thread to not meddle with other threads that are well ongoing and well advanced in a certain direction, that I thought some may consider it inappropriate to ask this in those threads.

So, the question really boils down to finding the secret to the workings of an SM TPU...

We are shown at the 7:30 time of Professor Konstantin Meyl's video: http://www.youtube.com/user/DBlundon#p/c/D8239A09B9BA3F6B/1/Dz5gNvSAcNo, a diagram of the near field activity of a D-pole antenna sending off vortexes of EMF filed lines.

Some have speculated that the TPU is receiving it's own transmissions, with gain.  If this mode type is correct then perhaps this near field vortex concept presented by Meyl is worthy of consideration.  We see in the third of four images, in the aforementioned diagram, EMF field lines in two counter rotating vortexes,... sound familiar?

Meyl explains in the rest of this video segment that the vortices unroll up to a wave at the transition between the near-filed and the far-filed, wavelength/(2*pi).  Due to its small size, I suppose that the TPU receiving 'antenna' must operate inside this near-field region.

I have no idea how to apply this concept to the TPU.  (It may be more expedient to purchase and/or replicate Professor Meyl's cookie-cutter Tesla kit with a few extra receivers: http://www.k-meyl.de/xt_shop/product_info.php?info=p6_Demo-Kit.html.  Has anyone here done so yet; what were your results?)

Happy New Year!   :)
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #146 on: January 02, 2010, 05:43:51 PM »
Hi Folks,

I found this recent IEEE paper on Magnetic Resonant Coupling as a Potential Means for Wireless Power Transfer to Multiple Small Receivers

Download from here, might be useful for some of you:
 
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~claytronics/papers/cannon-tranpe09.pdf

Happy New Year to you All!

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« Reply #147 on: March 08, 2010, 02:09:46 PM »
Hello All

I guess I'll put this here.

Ever Since EMDevices made his pitch towards the HV lines and he showed his LED coils, I started doing my own trials in that direction but not as precise as EM's power transmission due to my lack of knowing how to tune these coils.

Anyways, I made so far 5 youtube videos regarding coils, leds and pulsing. The first one (Part 1) is located here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODc943KCFLw

All you do after the first one is click on the More from: wattsup1004 link and the others will be listed.

I forgot to mention EMDevices in my videos but will do so in video 6 or 7 since there will be more coming.

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« Reply #148 on: March 08, 2010, 11:32:33 PM »
@WU,
The vids are cool. The bloch wall has all the action. A zero point space with electrons orienting on both sides. When the pottential changes the poles flip and there happens to be wire right there. Electrostatic creation.
You mentioned placing copies around the toroid. SM said same thing about 'many wires'.

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« Reply #149 on: March 24, 2010, 05:00:06 AM »
@GK and @all

Let me post this while it is still fresh.

OK, I have been experimenting since the last video, trying to see how to prepare my Video 6 because I found some great new effects, but I have stumbled on something, not something, a notion, while pulsing coils with a battery using the Tesla Ozone Method via an IRF840, and it hit me.

We have been pulsing coils with a battery, creating all sort of effects, producing secondary outputs and hoping flyback will return to source, etc. But we have never asked ourselves one major question regarding one of the main components we use in our OU arsenal. THE BATTERY.

What is a battery and what can it do. When can it do it. When can't it do it. And then it hit me smack. When you create major havoc by shorting a battery and then letting it loose into a coiling scheme, during the short, voltage drops to zero, then we open the short and hope the flyback returns to the battery. So how many things can a battery do all at the same time. Can a battery provide a short and a flyback at the same time. Can it provide a pulse and take back a flyback at the same time. No it cannot. So whatever we do, it is always one after the other and that shift is where we lose precious time to augment the output. The output knows we are only really working half the time,  but we cannot do any different otherwise we cannot pulse. So as soon as you start pulsing, you are in effect sort of doomed to fail.

But what if the system included not one battery but two batteries. While one is pulsed, the other is relaxed. The beauty of DC is there is no phasing problems. All outputs can be paralleled and all will be additive.

You know that when you put a transformer primary on a battery terminal and you then short the battery temporarily, voltage in the secondary rises tremendously. So you do this with two batteries and two transformers in alternating fashion, but not as in alternating current.

OK, then with this notion is view, I think of the damn center toroid again and under this idea, a center toroid with only two coils, either bucking or not seems to make more sense. Each output enters the toroid and is used as a trigger to flip/flip from one circuit to the other. Bing bang bing bang. That would also explain the highest amperage readings over the two LTPU toroids.

Also, now the need for two frequencies, one slightly off the other also makes more sense.

I don't have the complete scheme worked out but I wanted to put it out there.

Most everything in nature works in pairs. If we equated the quest for OU to the making of the automobiles, have you every seen a car engine with only one piston (besides any special cases)? You have 4, 6, 8 and 12 (major hogs) pistons working in succession.

So imagine working 2, 3, 6, 9 batteries, each taking their slice of a cycle.

What do you think about this.

We don't need to look at patents for days on end. The idea is very simple and should not require major rocket science. But I am getting almost convinced that any builds with only one battery will run into major problems and even consider it failed from the start. Especially if there is a mosfet inline, that integrated diode kills the flyback and even if you do some fancy flyback switching to bypass the mosfet at the right time, you are still only working with one battery so off times will kill the output.

Maybe I am totally wrong on this, but, these days, things have been coming to me in steps and mulching all this logically, this notion for me seems to be the best direction to add to the coiling, coupling, transfer, pulse, flyback, build types, etc.

So I think for now I will start a new video soon on this but hopefully by then others will catch on and this can spread out for not only TPU works, but all sorts of OU works like the JT guys should start working on a new symmetrical dual battery drive design. You might say, It's time to grow up and bring this to the next logical level. You can't pulse and get flyback at the same time.

Looking back at Tesla Patents, Tesla never said, build only one. He probably showed us the one and figured we would know to use more in tandem.

Imagine two systems, each in their own resonance, meeting in the outer coil/rings. SM saying two fields moving in two directions. Sort of fits.