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Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 327409 times)

Offline Mannix

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #705 on: August 13, 2010, 10:56:45 AM »

@wattsup
The real issue I have is that it is one thing to question but quite another to accuse a person of something in public.

You may see slight of hand in the video , which was not designed for public viewing.

Nor to show how to make a working tpu ..perhaps the oposite.
I see slight of mind in the explanations that must include some deception to be real and I take exception to that because you are offending a real person who has come foward if not as much as you would like .
Sure, the monkey diagram is not in your hands and if the inventor could chose ,may never be.
Please continue with your explanation by all means but could you please not attack the person with accusations . Surely you have to consider that you just MIGHT be wrong as you are about some very basics here.

I suggest that you use the sparse info that has been supplied rather than seek shadows in muddy videos.
by all means critisize that if it helps you and anybody else to make a tpu.
For some, the tpu will never be real and they will make it so 
For others they are having a go at least ..what else is there to do?

I have little that would be considered useful here , at this point

the stage  is yours
my silence is assured

Offline powerunlimited

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #706 on: August 13, 2010, 11:53:50 AM »
@wattsup,
on the side its real,test leads will carry one amp easily,why use 10,100 watt light bulbs.
If you used 5,150 watt bulbs,the voltage drop would be,if the unit could source it,830/5 or
166 volts across each light and might burn them out, SM is like a showman,con man more bulbs
more drama.Due to the nature of any free energy device no engineer would trust using the bulbs or

test equipment provided by SM,they would bring there own, if SM refused to let them do this then they would conclude that the tpu is fake.He may have used wire that has a much higher break down voltage than 600 volts.
On the its a fraud side,sealed lead acid batteries were used in the 1970'S,they can work in any

position there small enough and provide a lot of current,heres a link to one that could work

http://www.batterymart.com/p-12v-2ah-sealed-lead-acid-batteryf1.html


by hollowing out the raised base and the bottom you could fit a lot of batteries
 the size of this battery is L 3.75 in,h 3.5in,w .75 in,he could have found a battery similar to

this one.The wash board effect, he glued small permanent magnets under the table in rows,an electro

magnet or electromagnets in the hollowed bottom board repels the magnets on the table,creating a series of bumps
when the tpu is moved forward.

 I lean toward its real and I believe some are fake ,there maybe a size limitation

with this device,it can not be made too large or too small, thats why some are fake,more

showmanship to sell it.Nevertheless bring on your evidence!!! good work

Offline otto

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #707 on: August 13, 2010, 12:25:27 PM »
Yes, batteries are in the TPU!! A lot of batteries. I love them.

Hmmmm.... but how to hide them in the open TPU??? Hmmmm.....

Otto

PS: it seems that I have a lot to learn about batteries.


Offline guruji

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #708 on: August 13, 2010, 01:33:46 PM »
Hi E2matrix I liked that schematic. :)

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #709 on: August 13, 2010, 02:56:24 PM »
@otto

In the OTPU the device itself had a small battery to produce the output on the volt meter but the bulky lamps had hidden batteries to light the bulbs. very elementary.

@Loner

"In the actual "Engineering" report from an observing EE". It is normal practice that when you receive an EReport for any device, that the Engineer must be reachable to comment to interested parties. If this has not been done, then that report must be considered void or invalid. All such reports have a prerequisite that the Engineer must be able to confirm it is his report and you should be able to ask questions regarding certain values, procedures, etc. Especially if you are considering the report as a basis to allocate serious time and effort and money into further research. Otherwise what's the point.

@Mannix

I am not looking for your silence, on the contrary, the more members can discuss this question the more they will realize the difficult positions. OK, I get carried away sometimes on SM but consider what SM said to JD and compare that and you will see I am in the minor league indeed. But I will cut it out and suggest to other to keep this purely investigative.

Now I understand the video was not for public viewing because I doubt it very much that anyone in the private end would ever have gone to such extremes to find the flaws. The video was for some dumb investors. I understand. Also, intended or not, it did not seem to bother SM one bit since he came on the Forum with almost a Novel worth of additions. If he put all that into the fray, then it is all fair to analyze.

So now, if the videos were not intended for public, if the EE report cannot be corroborated, if the videos show so many "irregularities", then my natural question would be, where do we get all the impetus to spend so many years on the SM TPU question?

If you told me that the SM TPU, real or not, exemplifies a device that is soooooo above our present understanding that it is like a pinnacle that everyone shoots for, then I can understand that is has a purpose as a figurehead. A specific purpose. But then we can now longer use it as a functional example. That would mean all TPU ideas are from each originator and can all be just as valid.

What we need here is to not put all our eggs in SM TPUs. In order to move forward and succeed in the TPU realm of things, we have to put the TPU exactly where it belongs and leave ourselves room to expand into newer and more promising and hopefully more concrete directions. We neglect the realities as if the SM TPU saga has put a veil on our push for greater creativity. Greater creativity is what will be required to move forward and beyond. Reality of past mixed with the dream for a future is what will shape our destiny in the years to come.

I would totally enjoy continuing this TPU work but not if we have to re-iterate on things that at best in my view are some low key David Copperfield tricks. We have to break out of the mold to create a new reality and leave the past for the Pasterians. (not a word)

I will show more but you have to understand that I am not doing this, nor did I do this to get at you personally. In the end, if I can get a title of TPU-CSI, it will mean I am checking the backs of our members here who are definitely much smarter then me and who I know are following the shores of success but just need to unclutter their eyes to find a good landing point.

More to come..........

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #710 on: August 13, 2010, 06:04:06 PM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

Im working on this "fake" the last 3 1/2 years. No vacation out of my garage, I have spent every free second on my TPUs and I would never say its a fake. Never!

Now Im working on superconducting properties of my coils.

I SEE that when the current from the power supply is lower then the light is better! With only 2 frequencies.

Im again on vacation.

Otto

Offline rensseak

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #711 on: August 13, 2010, 06:32:51 PM »
Thanks kooler for dropping in here and posting that.  Below is the circuit diagram for the real TPU and it's obvious why no one is getting it yet.  You guys just aren't using the right components  :D

LOL, you made my day, ROFL

I will test it!

Sincerely
Norbert

Offline e2matrix

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #712 on: August 13, 2010, 08:22:13 PM »
Hi E2matrix I liked that schematic. :)
Thanks :)   I thought it might lighten things up a bit here ... no pun intended ;)

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #713 on: August 13, 2010, 09:46:41 PM »
Another nugget of immense value:
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With only 2 frequencies

On the schematic: I used the house ground grid to duplicate the rats nest in the lower left hand corner. When the dogs start dancing I know I have reached resonance. Strange though: when I use sine waves the dogs do ballroom style. When I use square waves I get a hootenanny step. LOL.

I have to go find a tree...

Offline EMdevices

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #714 on: August 14, 2010, 03:59:11 AM »
@wattsup

When the TPU replication effort started a few years ago, we asked all these questions about batteries and did the calculations, and we showed it was not possible, the volume is not there.  Even SM says so in the videos.   I'm puzzled why you're entertaining these same notions again.

Here's some answers to using 10 light bulbs instead of 8:

1)  The TPU voltage surges can burn all the 8 bulbs at once,  ... costly !  SM mentions these surges.

2)  The TPU has produced 1000 V before when more power is drawn from the power lines by his house, (middle of summer, lots of AC units are on)

3)  The number ten is easier to multiply with any other number .... easy math!

4)  More light bulbs lit up make a bigger impression on the viewer then fewer ones but slightly brighter. 


My advice, don't focus only on the videos, listen to the words in the videos as well, read the engineering reports, but most importantly  EXPERIMENT  :)

EM
« Last Edit: August 14, 2010, 04:28:49 AM by EMdevices »

Offline sparks

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #715 on: August 14, 2010, 06:00:17 AM »
  There are endless sceanarios SM did not address.  How many batteries could you place in the television set. Will the tpu work inside a faraday cage.  Why is there no oscilliscope anywhere around there.  Are the bulbs really hot.  On and on.  You get to the point where the fascination with the specific device becomes counterproductive.  SM produced the tapes for one reason or another.  They have served their purpose.  Lets move on . 
   Towards this end.  If we take a capacitor and charge it from a dc scource.  Disassemble the capacitor and take the plate in hand and move it about the room past various metals can we charge the other metals via our movement.  A wonderful thing occurs inside a capacitor as it is being charged.  The force used to charge the plates results in the plates inside the capacitor to exert a pressure on the intervening dielectric.  This pressure was experienced by Tesla using pulsed dc at highfrequency.  This pressure is a vector field.  This pressure is 450psi in a typical thin film capacitor.
As you decrease the distance between the two metals of opposite charge the pressure rises expotentially with distance.  It approaches infinity as the gap is closed.  If you were in between two large walls of aluminum on casters as somebody charged this mega capacitor you would be crushed.  This force arising has nothing to do with input work.  We are charging a capacitor.  We know that we are able to stop charging the capacitor and days latter retrieve our action.  As we discharge the capacitor we find that the pressure between the two moveable walls is relaxed.  The moving walls represented a conductor moving.  When this conductor moves if it moves perpendicular to magnetic field lines it creates an emf.  So the simple act of charging a capacitor can result in bonus energy as the capacitor plates move like the copper wires move in a generator.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #716 on: August 14, 2010, 09:57:15 AM »
sparks

I do not understand where is that pressure when you remove plates from charged capacitor.I can imagine that plates are like a squash walls between them there is a banging action of energy inside dielectric, but as one MIT video prove energy is stored in dielectric and you can change plates (moving dielectric to the other capacitor plates) and still have energy stored. Maybe it is that : this energy is stored in dielectric NOT in ELECTRONS but when metal plate is near it CREATE EQUIVALENT or electrons (or simpler : THE CHARGE)  inside plates. When plates are shorted current occur.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #717 on: August 14, 2010, 05:11:32 PM »
      Current precedes movement of charge carriers.  Charge carriers have mass while the force exerted by the electrical field does not.  Current is always flowing between points in space that have unequal amounts of charge.   When charged mass carriers move along with this current we get mass in motion.  Conductors are donars of relatively large amounts of charged mass that is free to move along with the electrical currents flowing in an electric field.  In a vacuum tube we have a cathode and anode seperated by a very good dielectric.  The problem being we insert  electrons to be accelerated from the scource of the cold current.  As the electron to be accelerated leaves the body of the cathode it leaves it less charged and reduces the accelerating force of the current flowing between the seperated charged mass.  This increases the amount of energy supplied from the scource to restablish the anode to cathode potential.  This is great if you wish to pull currents through a transformer controlled by the state of charge produced on the grid but it is not good for accelerating mass.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #718 on: August 14, 2010, 06:01:38 PM »
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Current precedes movement of charge carriers.

if that were true we would already be living in a free energy society.  where is all this BS coming from?

Also, a capacitor that moves it's plates inward is expending energy, and it's true the charge stays the same, but the voltage potential has now dropped.  There is no free lunch here either.  Here's why.

V = E*d, where 'd' is the separation between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor.  The electric field 'E' stays the same (between the plates, not the fringes) so since 'd' is reducing, this implies 'V' is reducing.   Energy in a capacitor is U = 0.5 C V^2,   so reducing the voltage in half, reduces the energy by 1/4.

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Forest, remember that point, that the "Charge" is NOT the electrons.

This basic truth is hard for many to accept, as this is not what most
EE's are taught. Full understanding of this allows the start of figuring
out just how current (Electron Flow...) is related to "Charge Flow"...

this was figured out many years ago and they teach this in physics101, if an electrical engineer missed this point i would be very worried and concerned, he's probably one of those that gravitated towards computer science and programing anyway, and I've known a few. 

1 electron =  −1.602×10−19 coulombs

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #719 on: August 14, 2010, 09:18:17 PM »
EMDevices


Topic is not that easy. While electron is a particle inside a wire there are energy levels it can has only so it's rather a smeared wave inside wire forming stationary "nodal points" we call electrons.