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Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 324195 times)

Offline wattsup

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #690 on: August 12, 2010, 06:58:04 AM »
@all

OK, since no one will post some concrete or pertinent questions, I will just ignore the irrelevant comments and stick to the facts. Hopefully eventually you will see the light. lol

The STPU or 4" TPU measures 4" in diameter by 2" high with a wall thickness of 1". I just tried it and you can fit perfectly 10 x 9vdc batteries in that area and have a perfect 4" by 2" by 1" toroid. Wow, what a coincidence. Now just put some proper spacers between the batteries to hold it in a circles, make your connections then add a reed contact plus a mercury switch and tape it all up. Oh, but if you do that then the battery terminals will still be noticeable from the top. So you do like SM did and use some hard glue material over the top to cover the terminals. All available at the RatShack. lol

In the STPU video the bulb was lit for approximately 70 seconds. Wow. So let's organize the grand parade because the STPU really showed us something so special and so grand.

Now if you think my trying to expose the SM TPUs as fakes is a direct attack on your personal efforts, you are wrong. When I started this thread it was to understand the electricity in the SM TPU. Blame the videos for not being good enough to withstand deeper scrutiny. You guys just don't realize that up till now, all your builds, were yours and have no relation whatsoever to SM TPUs. Get it through your heads already. You are all confusing the issue. None of this is about you or me. It is only about SM TPUs.

@otto

I did not waste one minute of all I did because there is passion and determination behind it. Just like you. Your accomplishments are yours buddy and it is not due to anything or anyone else but your own efforts. Don't confuse the issue that if you have good or any results, then the SM TPU is real. You are far to great for that kind of petty thinking that is omnipresent with some members. My bench time these days is only average 1-2 hours because of all this other SM stuff I am trying to get across. Every post I make is very difficult to do because I know it is not what you want to read. But do you want me to lie and say wow everything is so fine and dandy with SM devices.

There is much much more................ we'll go slowly.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #691 on: August 12, 2010, 07:03:36 AM »
Hello all,

@sigma16

OK, no cores in the TPU!

Maybe you can explain me the 2 plates in the open TPU?? Wooden plates??

Maybe you can explain me why somebody in 1 of the videos says for the 4" TPU 1 pound and for the 6" TPU 1 1/2 or so, pounds? Wooden cores? Or maybe a lot of wires?

The same "story" like months ago!!

@wattsup

I suppose youre leaving the TPU because its a fake, as you say.
Try then the "Sweet" coils. Maybe you will find out something exciting and a big, a very big  secret.

@Lindsay

a few days ago you asked what SS device would give the same nice, sharp kicks like a tube.

Not a SS device but the B A T T E R Y!!

Have a nice day.

Otto

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #692 on: August 12, 2010, 07:54:42 AM »
@wattsup
glad you got of the matrix( massive deception),I have been out of it for about 2 years,so are you saying that the STPU used 10 ,9v rechargable batteries.
So that powered the 100 watt bulb for 70 seconds
sounds possible .

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #693 on: August 12, 2010, 01:12:49 PM »
What about Bill Muller?:


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There are other clues but i agree frequency can be any waveform. However the TPU is known to wind up slowly and decay slowly according to SM vids. When i get around to practical testing i shall be looking for LC tank type of oscillators where the control coil is centre tapped because i seen this ring and decay in RF. In other words the TPU is almost in resonance by its own control coils.  I believe the kick does not need to come from switching the fets hard in fact  i bet SM had a 9 volt PP3 battery tucked inside some designs are running very weak LC oscillators which slowly induce the forward circular magnetic motion around the collector coils. These gentle oscillators may not even require more than a few milli amps and they shall be sine waves because this is LC.  As the system speeds up the speed of the mag wave passing around the collector coils produce the massive pulse wave NOT the control fets. Its a means to an end. I see it as parasitic oscillations being induced on the collector to emulate a mechanical wheel. The construction of 2 LC oscillators are providing the control to the system and its very easy to pick the second harmonic of the LC and feed it one segment ahead. The 3 frequencies are very weak in themselves but collectively they create a constructive wave pushing the mag wave around the collector coil.  These spikes will happen when the right frequencies  are hit and the collector begins to accelerate. The other control coils will use the pulse which has been collector produced NOT by the fets and feed that to the gate of the next segment for timing purposes only. As the system speeds up the trigger pulses provide phase control of the oscillators in other words phase locked loop.  With the right combination the perpetual motion should be set up of course we dont know what that is yet. As SM has stated we must detune the Q of the system because when the PLL is bang on correct the circular RE racing around the collectors will cause a meltdown so the effectively  of the control PLL is detuned to harness the power. The over winding of all three coils collect this energy as the output.

Of course this is my take on the TPU and till we can reproduce it then it just the passing of ideas.

I believe its very much akin to the SSG. When we look at any conventional electrical generator the action of coil and magnets passing each other produce a sine wave AC output not a square wave or pulse. Likewise with SSG i am assuming the voltage rises and declines as the magnet passes the coil except the collapsing field produces this peculiar RE kick which is collected AFTER and as not produced by the control fets themselves so we should not be attempting to produce this kick because it will come to us later as an artifact.  They are only used for timing purpose and the diode prevents the real electron flow. With TPU i believe we are attempting to reproduce the SSG physical wheel and we should NOT be looking at producing the actual pulses. So the control to emulate an SSG wheel would be sine wave not square or pulses.

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@wattsup
glad you got of the matrix( massive deception),I have been out of it for about 2 years,so are you saying that the STPU used 10 ,9v rechargable batteries.
So that powered the 100 watt bulb for 70 seconds
sounds possible .
So try it and scare away the noobs.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #694 on: August 12, 2010, 02:16:30 PM »
I just hooked up 6,9v batteries in series (54vdc) and partially lit a 100 watt bulb,I need 5 more to do a better test.So far Wattsup your right, on the
STPU,Radio Shack did sell mercury tilt switches and reed switches around the time of the video's.Its possible the STPU is a fake but the others could be real ,I'm very curious as to your proof on the others being frauds.I think some are real but I'm open to listen
to your proof,I see a lot of people are getting real upset here,you have really shaken the boat.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #695 on: August 12, 2010, 02:54:27 PM »
@all

Yes there is much more to look at and understand.

Question: In the LTPU - SM showed 830vdc. Now put that at 1 amp and you have 830 watts of power. So why did he use 10 x 100 watts bulbs that would get 83 watts each. Why not use only 8 - lol. That would have made them bulbs light up full brightness at 103 watts each. Or better still, use 5 x 150 watts and he would have flooded that room with light and really made a statement saying, "this LTPU is producing real power". But he did not. He used 10 x 100 watt bulbs and the connections were standard RatShack jumper wire and clips that ran 800 watts of juice through them. Take any RatShack jumper wire and run 800 watts through it and let me know what you see. So, why did SM only want you to see 83 watts of power per bulb. lol

I will explain the logic behind that decision tomorrow.

Like I said I am taking this slow. Instead of dishing out pages and pages of observations at once, I will spoon feed it so guys can take the time to let it sink in. This will slowly get you to understand that all your ideas are yours and the only reason none have panned out is because you always turn back and base it on tricked videos.

As for working on a TPU, yes I am still working on my TPUs but will no longer take SM builds or verbiage as a basis. SM did not coin the term TPU, we did. And it means much more then an SM TPU. Any one that works in this effort is making his/her own TPU. One of my goals is to use the Tesla Ozone Patent (damped waves) on multi-parallel working circuits, then bring it back into a loop. But that is for another day. lol

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #696 on: August 12, 2010, 08:25:01 PM »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #697 on: August 12, 2010, 09:45:22 PM »
Here's your nugget:
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a vibrating and condensed sound field can nullify the power of gravitation

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #698 on: August 13, 2010, 12:24:35 AM »
@Whattsup

watts are related to volts/amps.. more volts less amps, less volts more amps. Cables ratings are about amps. their insulation is about volts .  10kw can be sent thru a very thin cable if the volts are high enough. look at the ht lines that supply a whole state.

That crap about series bulbs will only work on those ignoramuses without the fundamental understanding of that ...the vast majority unfortunately.


Remember Steven said that if you were not familiar with high voltage, to leave it alone . Im sure he meant it for saftey reasons but will be glad to see that there were other reasons.

Steven said to study Tesla

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #699 on: August 13, 2010, 12:55:20 AM »
An important key:
SM made this a riddle. Some things he said you could take the opposite view of and go 'Ah Ha!'
And he backed that up with a reference.
I know it sounds hokey. but that is how I found clues. In other words if ya don't study ya don't get it.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #700 on: August 13, 2010, 02:18:30 AM »
@Whattsup

That crap about series bulbs will only work on those ignoramuses without the fundamental understanding of that ...the vast majority unfortunately.


glad you said that because one year ago i took apart a mot and rewound the secondary with 18 awg stranded hook up wire and when i put a bridge on it i was getting 805 volts dc .. so i said close enough..
so then i hooked up 10 x 100 watt bulbs in series to test my thought on the test leads strength..
and after i turned on the mot .. i was hooking up my last test lead and after the spark the wire that i was holding it burned the copper inside in half .. well i grab another test lead which was 24 awg and it run for about 45 seconds before the other wire burned..
so it was replaced with a 24 awg wire and i tested more and my clamp meter showed 1.75 amps on first hook up and then run at 798 ma's.. while running the bulbs for alittle over a minute..
the other test leads on bulbs are 26awg..
well they start going out one right after the other.. till i have replace all with 24 awg..
then quess what.. they started to what ??  well at this moment i was tired of blowing test leads..
they are rated at 600v on the insulation.. so i was getting worried about even touching them because they were getting warmer..
we all know that you can light bulbs with less input with high freq..

so what were you saying again ??
retards like me take awhile to comprehend.. because we are to busy testing dangerous stuff.. hahaha..

robbie
 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #701 on: August 13, 2010, 04:59:07 AM »
Thanks kooler for dropping in here and posting that.  Below is the circuit diagram for the real TPU and it's obvious why no one is getting it yet.  You guys just aren't using the right components  :D




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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #702 on: August 13, 2010, 05:46:56 AM »
@Whattsup

watts are related to volts/amps.. more volts less amps, less volts more amps. Cables ratings are about amps. their insulation is about volts .  10kw can be sent thru a very thin cable if the volts are high enough. look at the ht lines that supply a whole state.

That crap about series bulbs will only work on those ignoramuses without the fundamental understanding of that ...the vast majority unfortunately.

Remember Steven said that if you were not familiar with high voltage, to leave it alone . Im sure he meant it for safety reasons but will be glad to see that there were other reasons.

Steven said to study Tesla

@Mannix

I think I know very well about volt/amperes. High voltage at milli-amps or micro-amps is one thing, but this is at least one amp we are talking about at 800 volts and no matter which way you slice it, it is still 800 watts of energy or just a bit over one horse power. Will you drive a 1 hp motor on jumper clips?

So you do it at home and let me know. Use some jumper clips and light up a 1000 watts of bulbs showing on the volt meter 830 vdc and the ammeter at 1 amp. Let me know what happens to your jumper clips.

@all

Actually, I am stunned to read the preceding post, by @kooler. It is obvious. Thanks for mentioning it and good work.

This is what I mean by tricks. They are all over the place when you start to realize the method. Between you and me, it is impossible to run them bulbs at that volt/amp rating with those clips. It is only possible if you are not applying the voltage and amperage you say you are applying. Again no matter which way you slice it, what was shown and what was used are two different things. I am totally surprised that them brilliant engineers did not see this while they were at that LTPU demo.

Nothing SM did was for nothing. There was always a reason to consolidate the viewers fixation. So then why do you think SM used 10 bulbs? I will give you a hint. He did not have any choice in the matter because bulb lumens do not lie.

OK, here it is.

If he really had 100 watt bulbs and he really was producing 830 watts, he would not have put 10 bulbs. He would have used 8 bulbs or 5 x 150 watt bulbs. Who in their right mind would go to all the trouble of making a LTPU that produces 830 watts and then sabotages his own demo by using more bulbs then the supply can handle, hence all the 10 bulbs would only receive 83 watts each, hence their lumens per bulb would be so much lower then a regular wall plugged 100 watt bulb. So why do it? Why deprive the viewer of the full brightness of the bulbs. What is the advantage in such a trade-off. Because this did not match the bulbs he had to use with his hidden dc power. What matched the lumens was when the ac was at 83 watts. Bingo case closed.

So, the only real answer is you were not producing 830 watts, but you make the viewer think you were. Then when big brainers do the calculations, they say, "but this is impossible", and now you are on your way. It's obvious.

The LTPU was providing the bulbs with DC power from hidden batteries. Probably pulsing at anything over 50hz. Also those bulbs were not 120vac/100 watt bulbs but rather 25 watt 12vdc bulbs. Now if SM had hidden a good 160vdc in two or more banks (I say two) then paralleled, that 160vdc on the 10 bulbs would make 16vdc per bulb. The over-driven 12vdc bulb will produce about the same visual effect of lumens as the 110vac bulb at 83 watts. But in order for him to convince you that you need to accept a lower then usual lumens is to use more bulbs then the published output can handle. Then he can say, "well they are not fully bright because I have 10 x 100 watt bulbs on only 830 watts output". Man the guy is a true genius in farfelutin.

SM said it himself and this should stick to you like a greasy furt. He said he thought of everything in his demos to show the power of his devices and to not create any inkling of fakery. He thought of everything. Every little detail. How many damn details do you need to figure out to make a video. Get a voltmeter, an ammeter, a table, a bulb, show device, show measurements. Now that does not sound too complicated, does it? So what required so much taking care of details. But SM was not joking about that one. He was dead serious. He knew that in order to fake his demos he had to take care of many details. All these many many details he had to cover in order to make his videos "look" real. Subconsciously he in fact says to us, "this faking business is no easy task when the stakes are high and the deceit has to be phenomenal". This is the only medal SM pinned on himself in all his talks to the Forum. The only time he sort of went and flattered himself for being such a sneaky guy. "I thought of everything so smart-asses like you would not figure out how I really faked lighting them bulbs". This was the challenge he made to us to find the flaw. The flaw is now found as far as I am concerned and it took long enough because our initial guard was down and we got totally mesmerized by the demos and the Forum presence and our deepest desire, which is the ever present quest to see something OU.

You better believe there were many details. Except for the FTPU that was the original no frills demo or the reality of his device. All the others needed extra convincing power. Shorted wall plugs, bulky lamps, diversion tactics like plug boxes, rectified wall plugs, AC printed DC bulbs, many devices so he could switch from one to the other without risking that one just dies on him, always plugging bulbs in lower wall sockets, heating batteries give excuse to stop the demo and change devices, showing voltage only, then removing the voltmeter to show the bulb light up, never show loaded voltage (except OTPU), cutting open the MTPU to show nothing (because he needed nothing, because the batteries in the MTPU were hidden mainly under the center platform), and we go on and on and on. If these are the details SM is referring too, well I will definitely give him a 9 out of 10 on all such details. But even those details were not enough. Eventually he had to make a mistake and we see this all over the demos when you look for them.

By the way, here is a summary of units;

FTPU - Reactive Condensed DC (62 vdc to SMs 5 vac hash) (expands when unloaded) (I did many.)
OTPU - Reactive Condensed DC (91.2 vdc to SMs 5 vac hash) plus DC Supply (SMs DC)
STPU - DC Supply (This is when SM took a brain break and just bluffed it.) (@GK just posted this one from someone else lol.)
6TPU - DC Supply (This is when SM took a brain break and just bluffed it.) (@EM did this one - lol.)
MTPU - Reactive Condensed DC (4?? vdc to SMs 5 vac hash) plus DC Supply (SMs DC) (Who cares about this one?)
LTPU - Reactive Condensed DC (830 vdc to SMs 5 vac hash) plus DC Supply (SMs DC) (Hash to be tried with 15" ring.)

When SM said DC with slight hash, that's exactly what it was, but he knew what that really meant when he said it, probably chuckling throughout. More importantly, at the time, he knew we did not know so he felt comfortable saying it. But it was true.

The hash is the reactive side that is not more then 5vdc when re-condensed or put under a load. The relation of the reactive power level is relative to the ring diameter. I have shown this in one of my videos, can't remember which one, the later Pulsing Coils.

To sum it up, we always have to beware of he who shows bulb watts but not voltage/amps under load.

Anyways, I will stop here for now. For a few days because I want to do other things and answer any pertinent questions.

Hint: Put all the items against on the left. Put all the items for on the right. Then see which side has more weight.

There is more........

wattsup

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #703 on: August 13, 2010, 08:24:14 AM »
Some may find this interesting!

http://www.crystalinks.com/levitationtibet.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KzmB2bI7s
"This is an acoustic levitation chamber I designed and built in 1987 as a micro-gravity experiment for NASA related subject matter.
The 12 inch cubed plexiglas Helmholtz Resonant Cavity has 3 speakers attached to the cube by aluminium acoustic waveguides.
By applying a continuous resonant(600Hertz) sound wave, and by adjusting the amplitude and phase relationship amongst the 3 speakers; I was able to control levitation and movement in all 3 (x,y,z) axis of the ambient space.
This research was used to show the effects of micro-gravity conditions that exist in the space shuttle environment in orbit, but done here on Earth in a lab.
This is not "anti-gravity." So don't waste time arguing something pointless."

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #704 on: August 13, 2010, 09:34:44 AM »
AMPS is what blows fuses
volts have sfa to do with that part of it
a clip lead will take 1 amp

whats the point of explaining?