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resident_genius

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advanced brute force project
« on: October 17, 2009, 03:04:11 AM »
Hello all.
 
Allow me to introduce myself. I'm George Simon. I'm a researcher, tinkerer, father, builder, fixxer, engineer, and resident genius. I'm from New Jersey and stationed here as well. I'm an enlisted aviator in the USAF on the c-17 cargo jet.

I'm new to this website, but not the technology. I've got an advanced system design which has all been thoughtfully built and designed.

two cells- both being overdriven (amperage-wise) as per boyce's reccommendation, however im just working with smacks style switch plates. each cell has 32 sq inches of plate area, 64 sq in total, and 40 amperes total, 20 per cell, wired in parallel.  two positive plates, centrally located, and two negatives, joined together with a strap and a single negative post. my biggest improvement is going to be getting laser-cut plates made.

DC-DC converter, uses auto system's voltage and ten amperes and outputs 3.5 DCV @ 40 amps. cells run in parallel. i would wire them in series but i'd need many more plates in order to do that (lower cell's resistance). 

my cells output  about a liter a minute. they do get hot, however i can still touch ther terminals so im going to estimate 105*F or less.  i have an infrared thermometer so when i get ahold of it, i'll take some readings.

the main thing to realize is that my system consumes almost exactly 138 watts.  the cells themselves see almost exactly 122 watts. (35 Amperes @ 3.5 DCV)

a brute force apparatus would suck down about 483-500 watts.

1 lpm, 64 sq in, 138 watts. not bad.

oh did i mention it saves me about 6 mpg?

i've got fulldetails and specs on my website if anyone wants to see....

http://resident-genius.com



FreeEnergy

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Re: advanced brute force project
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2009, 08:30:59 AM »
so no free energy/over unity just efficiency? good enough! :)

welcome to the forum!

Cloxxki

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Re: advanced brute force project
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 11:30:16 AM »
Welcome, nice project, and nice car! You've got an economical sports car there.

138W? When I go for a bike ride, I put out twice that! 138W would be riding like a granny.
Seems impressive. How much is the Faraday's Law requirement for 1.0lpm again? Very impressive (to me) that such a small amount of electrical power into a cell can boost your engine this well. Your engine must be really liking the apple sauce to flush down the meal.

Would you please break the tradition, and also share at which rate you're consuming water? And, is it tap water?

Thanks!

J

CrazyEwok

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Re: advanced brute force project
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 05:45:55 AM »
Wow that is an amazing result for your fuel consumption!!! I would be stoked with that!!! But some small things to ask. When you get your IR thermometer can you measure the temp of your output gas? This will cover the nay sayers about your actual gas output at X deg C. Asside from that i think your converter is a great addition to the set up!!! the small losses would well be worth your outcome (as you have proved!!!)
Once again thats an awesome step forward and i hope to see more in the future :)

resident_genius

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Re: advanced brute force project
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 03:02:23 AM »
well....in order to control (eliminate?) any heating problems- i added a second cell- in parallel, identical to the first.

now folks say the excess voltage is what creates the heat, however it is the flow of electricity and resistance thereof that creates the heat. so splitting the amperage would create half the heat per cell.

interesting observation- 35-40 amperes through 32 sq in of cell was roughly a liter a minute or less. two cells in parallel splits the amperage per cell, lowers the necessary operating voltage per cell(if that statement confuses you, do R= E/I for 20 amps and 40 amps @ a given voltage), and therefore raises efficiency, and consumes less amperes from the vehicle.  but anyhow- boyce says to use a 0.25 multiplier per sq in of active plate area. he also says you can push the cell to 0.50 per sq but it wont be as efficient. so with my cell thats 8 and 12 amps, respectively.  so pushing 35-40 amps thru the cell  is severely inefficient, according to boyce. when i put the cells in parallel- (same amperage, just larger plate area!) there was a huge boost in production- i'd say almost 1.5 to 2x what i was producing.  a huge boost in production, simply by adding another cell, doubling plate area.


if i increased cell plate area even further,it would raise efficiency further by lowering the cell's resistance.


do you see where im going with this?

resident_genius

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Re: advanced brute force project
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 06:29:25 AM »
well, im getting a constant 7 mpg extra fuel mileage. i have success.

oh and by the way, i located my IR thermometer today...however- without taking a reading of gas temperature- the cells barely get warm to the touch :-D



and now for my next hydrogen booster...

h2s04 + Zn coated Fe = znso2 + feso2 + fe + enormous amoutns of hydrogen

enough to run a vehicle.

once the reaction slows- add 1-2DCV.... replate the galvanized..... reaction starts all over again...

i dont claim to be the creator of that method....just another tinkerer......