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Title: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Cloxxki on October 15, 2009, 02:53:55 PM
I wonder why this hasn't gotten much or any coverage here yet. Mylow numbness? Or are you too busy doing your own replications already?

It bugs me that James doesn't add more magnets around the wheel, or spaces them a bit further to get continuous rotation. But he seems sincere (as did Mylow, of course), and planning to make this happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWIUjHl1F4

I am no-one magnet expert, but the steel plates doing initial attractive work, and then a relling magnet to push the rim magnets away, it just makes so much sense to me.

It seems somewhat related to Howard Yu's work on a magnet-actuated gravity oscillator, where really the gravity part seems to only be there to not make the magnet track be noticed as much. Not sure I'm saying this right, but use of steel plates seems to be used to re-direct part of the flux, and this way kill the usual sticky spot.

Am I too gullable, for wanting to see something significant in the above video?

Thanks for your thoughts,

J
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: carbonc_cc on October 15, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
Yea, I saw this a few days ago.  I thought it was interesting and started changing around my Mylow parts for this theory...  I'm not expecting much out of my build though.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: spoondini on October 15, 2009, 03:08:08 PM
Cloxxki,
    I'd rather use the term hopeful as opposed to gullible.  Thanks for bringing to our attention.
    It certainly looks promising on the surface, however getting brief acceleration with a magnetic wheel has been done X thousand times before.  What nobody, including Mr. FreeMagneticEnergy has done is achieve continuous acceleration.  With every experiment I've witnessed, there has always been a 'sticky' spot which creates deceleration on each revolution. 
   What's not really clear in the videos is that the wheel must be brought through the sticky spot manually, and then he let's go and it begins to accelerate.  If the wheel could actually make a full revolution, you would see it slow down every time it approaches the plate (I think).
    I'm also not an expert, but I've researched and played with magnetic gates enough to know if it's possible, it's certainly not easy.  This is also why nobody has closed the loop on a SMOT ramp.
    I'm also 'hopeful' that there is a mechanism for getting useable work out of permanent magnets, but I admit it's just 'hope', I have not seen anything respectably demonstrated achieving unity - much less overunity.
    My personal belief is that if you could make a functioning magnetic gate, the acceleration would be fast, so fast that you better have thought of a mechanism to stop your wheel from accelerating from 0-1000 RPM's in a second.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Cloxxki on October 15, 2009, 04:42:51 PM
Hopeful, that I am.
I do not believe in things that are said to be technically impossible.

It really seems in teh vid that the acceleration stops when there are no more bottom neo's on the rim to go past the gate anymore. That part makes me near angry with anticipation, stuff that wheel with magnets already!

Here we seem to have a setup that is pretty well-dampened. Who knows, even if it "works", it's frictionless equilibrium may have a velocity ceiling.
I did read today that supposedly the US militairy is having difficulty with their permanent magnet engines, they won't shut off. The problems some of us have to deal with... But yeah, he who understand how magnets really work, is bound to get injured from his first attempt desintegrating before he was able to get away.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Cloxxki on October 15, 2009, 04:46:40 PM
Yea, I saw this a few days ago.  I thought it was interesting and started changing around my Mylow parts for this theory...  I'm not expecting much out of my build though.
Thanks for responding! Really looking forward to your findings. And especially of course, if and so, where the sticky spot is going to come from.

I can also imagine a sure self-runner to stop when the plate gets magnetized beyond a certain level.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: konduct on October 15, 2009, 07:07:37 PM
If you really look at the action when he has the wheel near the plates...the plates are actually repelling the magnets due to the backside of the stator magnet being the same polarity as the rotor magnets. It's not attracting in, the acceleration he is seeing is because he is pushing the initial magnet into a repelling field...dude's just a little too excited and needs to think about what he's doing...he even says he can feel attraction...it's not though...try it and you'll see. :-\
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Omega_0 on October 16, 2009, 03:34:46 PM
Its so obvious that as soon as the wheel is completed with magnets all over it, it will refuse to move (even with a hand - the only source of free energy known to man).

I hope I'm not the only one here who has played with magnets on a wheel :)

What are the chances of him showing a video of that happening ?
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: spoondini on October 16, 2009, 03:53:59 PM
What I never understand is why folks run these experiments with huge wheels as opposed to small 1/100 models (like a CD on it's rotor, as I've seen one slightly more intelligent tinkerer use to find out it doesn't work).   If you simply scale down the model you can quickly cover the wheel with small, cheaper magnets and find out whether it works or not.

My bet is that if it doesn't work (which I expect) you will simply see Mr. Roney disappear, never making an official announcement or demonstrating the final conclusion.  I also see this on many threads where someone is so adamantly certain of their theory and defend it to the death, and each mild success is published with great fanfare, and then it just disappears.

I have great respect for the folks who work on their ideas, and then announce when they've given up and moved onto something else.  They are the valuable minority who we can truly learn from.  Everytime we learn that something conclusively won't work, it's one experiment we don't need to perform.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Cloxxki on October 16, 2009, 05:44:37 PM
Very good suggestion on that CD!
That's something even I could almost do. May have to glue a CD to a rollerblade bearing, buy some magnets and take things from there.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Omega_0 on October 16, 2009, 09:42:25 PM
I find the CD glued on a PC fan a very good setup. PC fan rotates freely and has no inertia of its own. And you can bolt it down on anything if the magnets are too strong ...
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Kabuto on October 18, 2009, 10:31:54 PM
I find the CD glued on a PC fan a very good setup. PC fan rotates freely and has no inertia of its own. And you can bolt it down on anything if the magnets are too strong ...
As an added benefit, you can even use the PC fan to extract energy from a magnet motor! (Perhaps something like http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6829.0 could boost the motor?)
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: carbonc_cc on October 19, 2009, 03:34:56 PM
Here is what I am using to test his idea with...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5K41HPZsY

Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: spoondini on October 19, 2009, 06:21:15 PM
Nice testing carbonc
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Cloxxki on October 19, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
Nice! I seem to remember Roney also uses a repelling magnet at the end of the runway? But you have a nice caroussel there for sure. Once you get it to work, be sure to add festive bells and colored paper.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 20, 2009, 07:06:45 AM
this is cool!
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: carbonc_cc on October 20, 2009, 05:06:20 PM
Here is another update I worked on last night...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-dIuBg-EAg


Interesting result with the batteries.  The field strength was quite weakend on the outside of the battery.  If I had a peice of wood the same thickness, the flux lines would have been much stronger.  And if I just used a peice of metal the same thickness of the battery, I'm sure the field strength would have almost been the same as just the magnet alone.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: FatChance!!! on November 12, 2009, 12:33:54 PM
James has put up a new video on his "improved" Runway Plates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldKfHX__5Hw

When seeing his new design I wonder if he's not fooling himself in his conclusions.
He seems to believe the acceleration effect will remain once he completes the
wheel with all the magnets all around.

This has been tested over and over in various designs. Once completed it's a No-Go!
Last attempts on this type of motor was using the Tri-Force Magnets.
And as usual it showed acceleration but only as long as the circle wasn't completed.
If James got something new here I really hope he makes it into self running under a load.
By load I mean a connected generator capable of doing work, e.g having a small lamp lit.


Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: spoondini on November 13, 2009, 01:57:48 PM
What happened with his previous 'cutting edge' stator?  No comment there.  But this one will wok?  Looks like 1000 other attempts I've seen (and personally chased with no results). I just wish that when folks chase something that they find doesn't work that they would clarify.  In roney's case, it's clear his last runway plate didn't do what he expected, don't think this one will either.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Rapadura on May 03, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
Never use magnets on the rotor when you are using magnetic shielding in the stator, because magnet shielding is metal plate, and magnets (on the rotor) are attracted to metal plates.

If you're using magnetic shielding in the stator, use simple steel balls in the rotor. Steel balls aren't attracted to metal plates.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: FatChance!!! on May 03, 2010, 08:29:16 PM
I strongly believe James Roney's runway motor was a dead fish in the water.
He made several attempts and got strangely exited over small and weak movements
but none could ever self run. His best result was approx half a turn by hand induced force.....
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Rapadura on May 03, 2010, 09:49:28 PM
Magnetic shielding is a real phenomenon, and I think he was in the right track...
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: FatChance!!! on May 03, 2010, 09:58:51 PM
Then you are probably one among a very few believing in this!
Magnetic shielding is not the way to overunity.
That's been proven and tested, over and over, for countless of times.
The rest of us know magnetic shielding does not exist and is a dead end. Period.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Rapadura on May 03, 2010, 10:23:57 PM
The rest of us know magnetic shielding does not exist and is a dead end. Period.

Magnetic shielding does not exist???

I think you are trying to say that YOU don't call the phenomenon "magnetic shielding" because "the magnetic field lines are just being redirected".

Well, I don't care. The effect is the same. At the other side of the "shielding" there is not magnetic attraction or repulsion. So, it acts like shielding.

The picture bellow shows a simple test I did. I don't have neodymium magnets yet at home (I hope my order of 40 neo mags will arrive this week), but I have an aluminium plate, a metallic coin and a very small ferrite magnet. And that's enough to prove that magnetic shielding exists:

Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: FatChance!!! on May 04, 2010, 08:32:04 AM
No, magnetic shielding does not exist in normal temperatures.
But magnetic absorption or redirection does exist. This is not shielding as you wish for.

Any magnetic shield is attracted to the flux lines and absorbs them.
This makes the shield very attracted to the magnet.

A true shield would deflect the flux lines but this takes super cooling into super conducting state.
You can see this phenomena in the levitating magnet experiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpH_TD_SVTc

Any other shield is being attracted to the magnet and it can't be used in magnet motors.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Rapadura on May 04, 2010, 01:28:50 PM

Any other shield is being attracted to the magnet and it can't be used in magnet motors.


Yes, I agree...

There is attraction between any metallic plate used as shield and the magnets on the rotor. This is precisely why I wrote:

Never use magnets on the rotor when you are using magnetic shielding in the stator, because magnet shielding is metal plate, and magnets (on the rotor) are attracted to metal plates.

If you're using magnetic shielding in the stator, use simple steel balls in the rotor. Steel balls aren't attracted to metal plates.

James Roney's mistake was to use magnets on the rotor. Replace the magnets by steel balls and there is no attraction to the shielding.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Airstriker on May 04, 2010, 01:34:27 PM
If you use steel balls instead, what do you want to shield then ?
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: FatChance!!! on May 04, 2010, 03:03:08 PM
Sorry, but no shielding will ever lead to a magnet motor.
This have been tested in numerous design for decades and there is no success what so ever.
I couple of runs while slowing down does not count.

In order to have success it must accelerate from standstill when released and continue to
accelerate under load until the RPM stabilises due to loading, windage and bearing losses.
Come back and tell us when you have achieved this.....so long, nice talking to you.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: Rapadura on May 05, 2010, 01:09:15 PM
If you use steel balls instead, what do you want to shield then ?

Wanna shield one side of the stator, as James Roney did...
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 22, 2013, 06:28:49 PM
For your information this is the real deal. The secret holy grail magnet exist as he stated.. Naysayers did not build i t only speculated. The flux is strong on one end and diverted. On the other. Grab the videos before they are taken down a 4th time by youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePk5ECrs0M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: MileHigh on October 22, 2013, 08:13:47 PM
I looked at the clip and there is nothing there.  This always happens with magnets and experimenters that want to see something.  They lose their objectivity and bias their perception and end up seeing what they want to see.

MileHigh
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: happyfunball on October 22, 2013, 10:33:57 PM
For your information this is the real deal. The secret holy grail magnet exist as he stated.. Naysayers did not build i t only speculated. The flux is strong on one end and diverted. On the other. Grab the videos before they are taken down a 4th time by youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePk5ECrs0M&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePk5ECrs0M&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

I followed Roney's videos. The last one he made was of a horizontal wheel on a table with one or two sets of magnets mounted, and an external shielded stator. He thought it showed proof of the viability of a permanent magnet motor, and claimed it would work once he applied the rest of the magnets and several more stators. That was the end of the Roney story, no more videos after that. it obviously didn't work. This is not about any sort of suppression. 
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 01:42:28 AM
 His videos were pulled Three times and he has health issues plus a 10 hour a day job.. He has proven without a doubt a modified magnet that directs only One way on one end To pull other magnets on his wheel past the stationary stator magnet .   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePk5ECrs0M&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePk5ECrs0M&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

This allow him to demonstrate not only gain but the main thing no sticky spot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gJd1RctfwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gJd1RctfwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

He also proved that is not merely the weight of the magnets and gravity producing the gain. By placing his wheel on its side. He has other videos which are completely open source his experiments which are Shown without trickery. And fully explains his success in one way flux channeling of his stator.Most of his videos are current and this year.Some are reuploaded and some are new . I see all his magnets being pulled way past the stick point because of the trailing flux difference he created ./
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: TinselKoala on October 23, 2013, 02:07:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdrhC1UdDyM

Note the date.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 03:18:07 AM
Hi TK,
 I do realize the research you do is very valid.. Most of his videos were posted this year and it is true they were pulled several times for unknown reasons for years. For sure no copyright infringement.. We all have experimented with magnets and shielding the back end.Or theoretical balanced state or unity of a magnet. In one way or another however this. One video with his. Teardown of his specialized way of creating A bend of the opposite pole and the angle at which it sits in relationship to the. Wheel magnets is quite ingenious and simple to replicate. That is why we ordered all the exact components because. I do not believe he is trying to. Sell anything or get hits or even care to convince us one way or the other. He. Shows a. Very good demonstration. And follows suggestions by making new videos with the suggested comments  He has mentioned that he does have a. 4 stator self propelled model. We can clearly see his single stator slings the magnets past the stator. 12 spokes without using any of his energy other than letting the wheel go at the point of the leading magnets pull toward the stator.. What seems very convincing is he also shows what a non shielded magnet does at that same location. It sticks as ss expected at the last magnet. His method of shielding. Appears to really eliminate. That stick spot. By the combined attractions slinging it past. I watched all the videos he has and i believe. He has done it. . This demonstration. Here shows the slinging. Past one. Roney stator. Now picture two stators and three. And 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gJd1RctfwM&feature=youtube_gdata_player. 
We realize the condition we need is a perfectly balanced wheel with the least amount of friction to make this work.  By magnets alone. We. also realize one wheel can be multiplied in parallel for more power. Not necessarily a bike wheel but flywheels might be interesting.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: MileHigh on October 23, 2013, 03:58:48 AM
Gadget:

I watched the first two clips and sorry to say I did not see anything.  The stronger end of the magnet will pull in _both_ directions as the magnet array passes by.  It will speed up and slow down the wheel equally.  It doesn't matter that he made one end stronger.  Do you follow me?  It's clearly happening in the clip.  In the first clip he demonstrates the wheel shooting past the sticky point on the rebound a half dozen or more times.  That's exactly what's supposed to happen because the rebound has more energy in it than he realizes.  He always pushes the wheel to start.  Then the wheel falls into the magnetic potential energy well and speeds up.  The wheel hits the "backboard" with _two_ energy components, 1) being at the top of the magnetic potential energy well, and 2) the initial velocity that he started the wheel with.

So when the wheel bounces back, it does the dip into the magnetic potential energy well and then emerges at the top of the well on the other side.  At this point the wheel still has one remaining energy component, which is 2) the initial velocity that he started the wheel with being reflected back from the "bounce" off of the "backboard."  That's why the wheel sails past the sticky point.

If you understand that then you should hopefully agree with me.  But I can't twist your arm....

MileHigh
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 04:26:29 AM
No They only pull one way mh IN ALL HIS VIDEOS.  there is a thing called the Us invention secrecy act and he violates it and. open sourced. the means to replicate. it. i do not agree with you because. he indeed created an imbalanced field. with stationary stator and that is the holy grail. that is the quest of anyone who has tried. to. remove the sticky spot. http://www.modvid.com/play/Energy__Unsorted/Part_2b_The_Physics_behind_the_James_Roney_Stator (http://www.modvid.com/play/Energy__Unsorted/Part_2b_The_Physics_behind_the_James_Roney_Stator)


this says it all and no need to convince me otherwise because I'm building it for pleasure..
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: happyfunball on October 23, 2013, 11:10:53 AM
No They only pull one way mh IN ALL HIS VIDEOS.  there is a thing called the Us invention secrecy act and he violates it and. open sourced. the means to replicate. it. i do not agree with you because. he indeed created an imbalanced field. with stationary stator and that is the holy grail. that is the quest of anyone who has tried. to. remove the sticky spot. http://www.modvid.com/play/Energy__Unsorted/Part_2b_The_Physics_behind_the_James_Roney_Stator (http://www.modvid.com/play/Energy__Unsorted/Part_2b_The_Physics_behind_the_James_Roney_Stator)


this says it all and no need to convince me otherwise because I'm building it for pleasure..

Roney stopped making videos when he realized it doesn't work.

If it did work, he'd have posted at least one video of a working permanent magnet motor (before being pulled by the Men in Black, of course).

One thing about the internet, if something is out there it has a way of being reported eventually.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: a.king21 on October 23, 2013, 12:14:22 PM
Gadgetmall: Can this device work  using ordinary magnets rather than expensive neos?
I've tried magnetic shielding using ordinary steel and it works.
My only concern is, Can you get enough torque to power a generator?
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 12:38:52 PM
Happyfunball. I see so you are physic? 

 His last running wheel was a ffew months back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobiPEZN6vQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

He plainly states he works. Long hours 7 days a week. He will retire in 2014.

Aking21 this model is not necessarily meant to provide power by. Spinning a gen. On mine she will use air coils. To demonstrate free energy. Once that is done the ed gray group can parallel them. And make them larger. Remember these use the most powerful magnets available
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: happyfunball on October 23, 2013, 12:54:06 PM
Happyfunball. I see so you are physic? 

 His last running wheel was a ffew months back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobiPEZN6vQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobiPEZN6vQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

He plainly states he works. Long hours 7 days a week. He will retire in 2014.

Aking21 this model is not necessarily meant to provide power by. Spinning a gen. On mine she will use air coils. To demonstrate free energy. Once that is done the ed gray group can parallel them. And make them larger. Remember these use the most powerful magnets available

No, not psychic. Just reporting what I saw when he did this a couple of years ago and disappeared without showing a working device. Rather curious that it took him two years to post another video, and in said video he never actually shows the top of the wheel which could easily be powered by a hand push. But by all means feel free to buy his book. Good luck.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 01:03:14 PM
happyfunball . your full of gossip with no means to back your mouth up. No one serves you . his pdf is free .His plans are open sourced . So what, he made a pdf to support his research .there is no Hand push blind boy . there are videos posted this year to fully validate that. No one gives a Shit about idle marbleless mutters your make which have no merit at all.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: happyfunball on October 23, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
happyfunball . your full of gossip with no means to back your mouth up. No one serves you . his pdf is free .His plans are open sourced . So what, he made a pdf to support his research .there is no Hand push blind boy . there are videos posted this year to fully validate that. No one gives a Shit about idle marbleless mutters your make which have no merit at all.

Ok then feel free to download his PDF and build a world changing permanent magnet motor.

Let us know when it's up and running.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 01:27:25 PM
I already have world changing technology being sold worldwide with partners you will never see unless you live outside the US. This is just a proof of concept I am more than happy to build and develop and add to already produced devices that are putting a dent in carbon Footprints as you sit there doing nothing.I can throw a million dollars away and not miss it can you say the same ?
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: happyfunball on October 23, 2013, 01:36:23 PM
I already have world changing technology being sold worldwide with partners you will never see unless you live outside the US. This is just a proof of concept I am more than happy to build and develop and add to already produced devices that are putting a dent in carbon Footprints as you sit there doing nothing.I can throw a million dollars away and not miss it can you say the same ?

If you're so sure James Roney isn't spinning his wheel by hand, then by all means go build it.

Money doesn't really impress me, sorry.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 01:39:13 PM
http://youtu.be/5Z5-DHDdxhw
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: a.king21 on October 23, 2013, 07:10:56 PM
Here's confirmation of Roney technology by John Bedini and others. They use the same property of magnetic shielding.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: gadgetmall on October 23, 2013, 07:40:57 PM



Here's confirmation of Roney technology by John Bedini and others. They use the same property of magnetic shielding.


Aking21. Thanks brother. They are infact the only ones qualified to verify this tech as they have been at it all their life :)
Good to know and for those  who ain't got it now you know.

Gadget
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: happyfunball on October 23, 2013, 08:33:39 PM
Here's confirmation of Roney technology by John Bedini and others. They use the same property of magnetic shielding.

That picture has been around forever and none of those people listed have a working variant of it.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: TinselKoala on October 23, 2013, 08:54:57 PM
Here's confirmation of Roney technology by John Bedini and others. They use the same property of magnetic shielding.

That picture is a lie.

NOBODY has ever gotten anything like that to "work".

Let me remind you that Bedini and his partner Rick Friedrich also claimed, in a YT video, that a "MYLOW" HJ motor "worked" because it spun for a while when given a big starting spin by hand.

Feel free to PROVE ME WRONG by showing anybody's working model built according to that diagram. According to YOU, a.king21.... this should be easy since you believe that there are "others" besides Bedini who have a working model using the "same property of magnetic shielding".

But of course you won't. You will just insult me and demand that I "prove" it cannot work. Well, that's been done already over and over.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: a.king21 on October 23, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
I haven't built the Bedini or Roney version, nor have I pretended to.
I have however tested magnetic shielding and it does work. So a magnet normally repelled is instead attracted. My enquiries have revealed that the Bedini magnet motor does not produce much torque, which is why I have asked the question about Roney's shielding methods.
I am here to learn, and not discourage - as are some on these forums.
I for one do not pretend to know it all as some do.
I for one am looking forward to gadgetmall's build, as I will learn a lot from it.
Off course if Roney even half works, the prospect of integrating the technology into a pulse motor would be hard to resist.

Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: TinselKoala on October 23, 2013, 10:32:50 PM
Let's review.
You, a.king21,  posted a picture and said it was "confirmation" of Roney technology by Bedini and others. The picture you posted claims that it works, and what we think of as "working" would be a motor that turns, of itself, and keeps running without input of outside energy.

Am I right so far?

But it does NOT work, it is NOT a "confirmation" of anything Bedini ever did, and I see your posting of it as misdirection entirely.

No, I don't "know everything" nor do I pretend to. But I do know certain things, and I DO build and test things. Perhaps you, or anyone else, would like to tell me just how what Roney shows in the videos above, is any different from what I showed in the video I linked, which I made and posted in 2009.

The problem with "shielding" is just as you have noted: your "shield" material, to be effective as a shield, always winds up being attracted to the magnet you are trying to shield. If only there were some shielding material that doesn't behave this way, many PM designs might actually work. But unfortunately there is no magic material that does this. Just like "negative friction bearings" would make many a Bessler wheel work. But just like Bessler wheels, magnetic shielding seems to have some kind of hypnotic attractions... so people keep wasting their time on this dead-end, rather than using their creative juices investigating something that hasn't already been soundly proven not to work.

Let me add this: I don't give a hoot whether or not you choose to waste your time trying to get Bedini motors or Roney stators or Bessler wheels to work. What I object to is the making of FALSE CLAIMS or claims that are unsupported by real repeatable data. Like the image you posted. It makes a false claim and should not be allowed to go unchallenged.
Title: Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
Post by: a.king21 on October 24, 2013, 04:44:34 AM
Well, if it's a false claim that is fair enough. I asked certain experts about this device a month or so ago. I was told that it just about worked but there was little or no useful  power.
What interested me is gadgetmall's attempt to create a magnetic motor.
The results shall certainly  be interesting.
In any case my instincts tell me that if the Bedini version was to work it would require a high level of precision engineering, which is certainly beyond me and beyond,I suspect, most of the vast majority of amateurs on the fe sites.
What would be interesting would be if a serious attempt at building the "Bedini etc" device was made and failed. I would certainly be interested in seeing such a video if it exists.
I looked at Roneys video and didn't see anything special about using a dead battery in the stator.
But as usual, the result of serious experiments is what matters.