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Author Topic: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates  (Read 35769 times)

Offline Cloxxki

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James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« on: October 15, 2009, 02:53:55 PM »
I wonder why this hasn't gotten much or any coverage here yet. Mylow numbness? Or are you too busy doing your own replications already?

It bugs me that James doesn't add more magnets around the wheel, or spaces them a bit further to get continuous rotation. But he seems sincere (as did Mylow, of course), and planning to make this happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWIUjHl1F4

I am no-one magnet expert, but the steel plates doing initial attractive work, and then a relling magnet to push the rim magnets away, it just makes so much sense to me.

It seems somewhat related to Howard Yu's work on a magnet-actuated gravity oscillator, where really the gravity part seems to only be there to not make the magnet track be noticed as much. Not sure I'm saying this right, but use of steel plates seems to be used to re-direct part of the flux, and this way kill the usual sticky spot.

Am I too gullable, for wanting to see something significant in the above video?

Thanks for your thoughts,

J

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 03:02:54 PM »
Yea, I saw this a few days ago.  I thought it was interesting and started changing around my Mylow parts for this theory...  I'm not expecting much out of my build though.

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2009, 03:08:08 PM »
Cloxxki,
    I'd rather use the term hopeful as opposed to gullible.  Thanks for bringing to our attention.
    It certainly looks promising on the surface, however getting brief acceleration with a magnetic wheel has been done X thousand times before.  What nobody, including Mr. FreeMagneticEnergy has done is achieve continuous acceleration.  With every experiment I've witnessed, there has always been a 'sticky' spot which creates deceleration on each revolution. 
   What's not really clear in the videos is that the wheel must be brought through the sticky spot manually, and then he let's go and it begins to accelerate.  If the wheel could actually make a full revolution, you would see it slow down every time it approaches the plate (I think).
    I'm also not an expert, but I've researched and played with magnetic gates enough to know if it's possible, it's certainly not easy.  This is also why nobody has closed the loop on a SMOT ramp.
    I'm also 'hopeful' that there is a mechanism for getting useable work out of permanent magnets, but I admit it's just 'hope', I have not seen anything respectably demonstrated achieving unity - much less overunity.
    My personal belief is that if you could make a functioning magnetic gate, the acceleration would be fast, so fast that you better have thought of a mechanism to stop your wheel from accelerating from 0-1000 RPM's in a second.

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
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Offline Cloxxki

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 04:42:51 PM »
Hopeful, that I am.
I do not believe in things that are said to be technically impossible.

It really seems in teh vid that the acceleration stops when there are no more bottom neo's on the rim to go past the gate anymore. That part makes me near angry with anticipation, stuff that wheel with magnets already!

Here we seem to have a setup that is pretty well-dampened. Who knows, even if it "works", it's frictionless equilibrium may have a velocity ceiling.
I did read today that supposedly the US militairy is having difficulty with their permanent magnet engines, they won't shut off. The problems some of us have to deal with... But yeah, he who understand how magnets really work, is bound to get injured from his first attempt desintegrating before he was able to get away.

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 04:46:40 PM »
Yea, I saw this a few days ago.  I thought it was interesting and started changing around my Mylow parts for this theory...  I'm not expecting much out of my build though.
Thanks for responding! Really looking forward to your findings. And especially of course, if and so, where the sticky spot is going to come from.

I can also imagine a sure self-runner to stop when the plate gets magnetized beyond a certain level.

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 07:07:37 PM »
If you really look at the action when he has the wheel near the plates...the plates are actually repelling the magnets due to the backside of the stator magnet being the same polarity as the rotor magnets. It's not attracting in, the acceleration he is seeing is because he is pushing the initial magnet into a repelling field...dude's just a little too excited and needs to think about what he's doing...he even says he can feel attraction...it's not though...try it and you'll see. :-\

Offline Omega_0

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 03:34:46 PM »
Its so obvious that as soon as the wheel is completed with magnets all over it, it will refuse to move (even with a hand - the only source of free energy known to man).

I hope I'm not the only one here who has played with magnets on a wheel :)

What are the chances of him showing a video of that happening ?

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Offline spoondini

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 03:53:59 PM »
What I never understand is why folks run these experiments with huge wheels as opposed to small 1/100 models (like a CD on it's rotor, as I've seen one slightly more intelligent tinkerer use to find out it doesn't work).   If you simply scale down the model you can quickly cover the wheel with small, cheaper magnets and find out whether it works or not.

My bet is that if it doesn't work (which I expect) you will simply see Mr. Roney disappear, never making an official announcement or demonstrating the final conclusion.  I also see this on many threads where someone is so adamantly certain of their theory and defend it to the death, and each mild success is published with great fanfare, and then it just disappears.

I have great respect for the folks who work on their ideas, and then announce when they've given up and moved onto something else.  They are the valuable minority who we can truly learn from.  Everytime we learn that something conclusively won't work, it's one experiment we don't need to perform.

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 05:44:37 PM »
Very good suggestion on that CD!
That's something even I could almost do. May have to glue a CD to a rollerblade bearing, buy some magnets and take things from there.

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Offline Omega_0

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2009, 09:42:25 PM »
I find the CD glued on a PC fan a very good setup. PC fan rotates freely and has no inertia of its own. And you can bolt it down on anything if the magnets are too strong ...

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2009, 10:31:54 PM »
I find the CD glued on a PC fan a very good setup. PC fan rotates freely and has no inertia of its own. And you can bolt it down on anything if the magnets are too strong ...
As an added benefit, you can even use the PC fan to extract energy from a magnet motor! (Perhaps something like http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6829.0 could boost the motor?)

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2009, 03:34:56 PM »
Here is what I am using to test his idea with...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5K41HPZsY


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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2009, 06:21:15 PM »
Nice testing carbonc

Offline Cloxxki

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2009, 06:28:44 PM »
Nice! I seem to remember Roney also uses a repelling magnet at the end of the runway? But you have a nice caroussel there for sure. Once you get it to work, be sure to add festive bells and colored paper.

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Re: James Roney's breakthrough: Runway Plates
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 07:06:45 AM »
this is cool!

 

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