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onthecuttingedge2005

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Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« on: October 12, 2009, 08:24:52 AM »
Here is the Database report I designed to show data on all pure Beta Emission Isotopes that have half lives of one year or greater only.

I will post the database file a little later.

if you are happy with the work I am doing then please make a small donation to www.overunity.com towards the site and or prize award else it is free to any Nuclear researcher that wishes to download it.

If it looks like it is in demand then I will continue to catalog all other decay modes and possibly even program some software to display the Isotope formats with some user controls.

the zipped .odt file can be opened by any editor that supports its viewing like open office or microsoft word.

Jerry 8)

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 10:37:16 AM »
Here is the PDF version of the Pure Beta Isotopes report incase you need to view it in this format.

Jerry

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 09:01:43 PM »
Here is the PDF version of the Pure Beta Isotopes report incase you need to view it in this format.
Jerry
Hey Jerry,
The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, has---or had---a list of all known natural isotopes with basically the information you gave above.  Practically every library should have one---or more---copies in their reference section.  Is that where you complied your information?

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 09:48:40 PM »
Hey Jerry,
The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, has---or had---a list of all known natural isotopes with basically the information you gave above.  Practically every library should have one---or more---copies in their reference section.  Is that where you complied your information?

--Lee

Hi Lee.

actually I have 2 years college chemistry experience, I have my own data collection and library for study and research, I just filtered out what was needed to help people study 'pure Beta' Isotopes that have 1 year or greater in half life.

routine charts usually don't filter out the faster half lives of seconds, minutes, hours or days which are pretty useless for the kind of long term energy requirements needed for Beta cells.

there are a lot of isotopes with half lives less than 1 year so It took me a little while to filter the data and present it to you.

most of the chemical charts I already have memorized, I have about 99% of all periodic table data in memory as well, I love chemistry.

if there is anything you would like to see done then pop me a suggestion and I will see what I can do for you.

Jerry

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 02:23:24 AM »
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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actually I have 2 years college chemistry experience, ... I love chemistry.
Sorry, I forgot you had said that earlier. 
I've been doing research for a long time on propellants.  I thought I would need the information some day, but I also studied supersonic aircraft as well.  I still might find a job in the future where knowing all that would be helpful.
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...there is anything you would like to see done then pop me a suggestion and I will see what I can do for you. ...
Thanks for the consideration, but I'm fine for now.  Thermodynamics was a specialty of mine.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2009, 01:36:20 PM »
Hi Lee.

actually I have 2 years college chemistry experience, I have my own data collection and library for study and research, I just filtered out what was needed to help people study 'pure Beta' Isotopes that have 1 year or greater in half life.

routine charts usually don't filter out the faster half lives of seconds, minutes, hours or days which are pretty useless for the kind of long term energy requirements needed for Beta cells.

there are a lot of isotopes with half lives less than 1 year so It took me a little while to filter the data and present it to you.

most of the chemical charts I already have memorized, I have about 99% of all periodic table data in memory as well, I love chemistry.

if there is anything you would like to see done then pop me a suggestion and I will see what I can do for you.

Jerry

Hi
I am looking into Beardens free energy colector with degenerate semiconductor and I am wondering where to find a chart or other information on the relaxation times of different conductors.
Do you have any ideas or do you know of a source for this information.
Thanks GSM

onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 05:56:55 PM »
I have e-mailed United Nuclear to see if 42-Argon, -b emitter is available, 42-Argon emits 600KeV of Beta Radiation, compared to 3-Tritium's 18.591KeV beta emission, 42-Argon's Radio-luminescence should be 32 times brighter if used as a Beta light source. 42-Argon has a half life of 32.9 years compared to Tritium's 12.5 year half life.

if it is available I will see if it can be used as a trapped gas filler for Aerogel gas micro pockets, combination's of other rarefied Isotopes along with 42-Argon to change the frequency of emissions or radiation color emission.

analogy;
Stones filled with fire.

Jerry 8)

 

onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 09:15:23 PM »
Apparently United Nuclear doesn't carry 42-Argon, real shame.

Now checking Cambridge Isotopes Laboratories, Inc..

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 11:26:11 PM »
that is a no go on Cambridge Isotopes Laboratories, Inc

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2010, 04:17:29 AM »
Cutting edge,
I have similar interests as yours.

 Are you familiar with the British (GB763062) Coleman, Seddon-Gillespie patent? I have been collecting the goods to try and build this, but lack the chemical expertise. I have positioned myself working in a job that has placed decent rad gear in my possession. Accurate alpha, beta, neutron counters and  dosimeters etc. as well as being nuclear Haz-Mat trained. I have the RF expertise and gear to drive it. I just need some one with the Chemistry background. I think I have procured most of the chemicals to try it.

I read your list of beta emitters , FYI Cs-137  also pukes out copious amounts of Gamma-

Zatheros

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 07:26:39 AM »
Cutting edge,
I have similar interests as yours.

 Are you familiar with the British (GB763062) Coleman, Seddon-Gillespie patent? I have been collecting the goods to try and build this, but lack the chemical expertise. I have positioned myself working in a job that has placed decent rad gear in my possession. Accurate alpha, beta, neutron counters and  dosimeters etc. as well as being nuclear Haz-Mat trained. I have the RF expertise and gear to drive it. I just need some one with the Chemistry background. I think I have procured most of the chemicals to try it.

I read your list of beta emitters , FYI Cs-137  also pukes out copious amounts of Gamma-

Zatheros

Hi Zatheros.

latest model is 42-Argon, Cesium 137 gives off gamma rays as a byproduct of hitting harden objects, Cesium 137 has a value of 1175.63KeV which is almost double that of 42-Argon, some radioisotopes give off 'more' radiation if the shielding is hard and less radiation if the shielding is soft. this is a factor with beta rays, if they have the energy and a hard target they can give off X-rays and or Gamma rays if the energy is equivalent. so it depends a lot on what kind of shielding you use, for instance, a beta ray may not give off any 'extra' radiation if it hits Styrofoam but may give off gamma rays if it hits tungsten. it depends on how well the beta rays are absorbed without  extra byproduct radiation.

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 02:13:01 AM »
§ 30.19 Self-luminous products containing tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147.

(a) Except for persons who manufacture, process, produce, or initially transfer for sale or distribution self-luminous products containing tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147, and except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, any person is exempt from the requirements for a license set forth in section 81 of the Act and from the regulations in parts 20 and 30 through 36 and 39 of this chapter to the extent that such person receives, possesses, uses, transfers, owns, or acquires tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147 in self-luminous products manufactured, processed, produced, or initially transferred in accordance with a specific license issued pursuant to § 32.22 of this chapter, which license authorizes the initial transfer of the product for use under this section.

(b) Any person who desires to manufacture, process, or produce self-luminous products containing tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147, or to transfer such products for use pursuant to paragraph (a) of this section, should apply for a license pursuant to § 32.22 of this chapter, which license states that the product may be transferred by the licensee to persons exempt from the regulations pursuant to paragraph (a) of this section or equivalent regulations of an Agreement State.

(c) The exemption in paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147 used in products primarily for frivolous purposes or in toys or adornments.

[34 FR 9026, June 6, 1969, as amended at 40 FR 8785, Mar. 3, 1975; 43 FR 6921, Feb. 17, 1978; 52 FR 8241, Mar. 17, 1987; 58 FR 7736, Feb. 9, 1993]

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2010, 08:23:06 PM »
With respect to Reply #11,

The subject of that post(Gov't regulations) remained in the back of my mind until I saw the post.
Also, there's the possibility of Homeland Security becoming interested in the experiments of any and all OU.com site Members, or the general public, who attempt to acquire even small amounts of materials mentioned in the post.

Moreover, have a look at this:

http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html

--Lee

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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2010, 06:17:11 PM »
With respect to Reply #11,

The subject of that post(Gov't regulations) remained in the back of my mind until I saw the post.
Also, there's the possibility of Homeland Security becoming interested in the experiments of any and all OU.com site Members, or the general public, who attempt to acquire even small amounts of materials mentioned in the post.

Moreover, have a look at this:

http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html

--Lee

True, some people should not get involved unless proper study and safety constraints are met, this includes federal and or state laws and or regulations of proper handling of materials.

if these above rules are applied then it really isn't dangerous.


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Re: Beta Emission Nuclear Capacitor/Battery Reactors
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 04:07:02 AM »
...If it looks like it is in demand then I will continue to catalog all other decay modes and possibly even program some software to display the Isotope formats with some user controls.
@all + jerry

Notice:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4835433.pdf

http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm

http://www.google.com/patents?id=oKM5AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Sr-90 is also a beta emitter, but it's a compound that's is likely available by license from the Gov't, since it's used a lot in medicine.

-Lee