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Title: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 06:26:21 AM
Hello all,

After years and years I can finally say that I have solved the TPU secret.

But its not only aboout a TPU. ALL pulsed coils and various coil setups can use this solution.

I dont want to wright a book here.

Its only the BEMF shok wave. Nothing more.

I will try to post pictures but Im not sure if it will work so if here is a kind guy who can post my pictures...it would be nice.

Thought so. I cant post pictures.

Heeeeelp.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 06:33:41 AM
I will post them...i would like to finnish this job
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 06:44:10 AM
The other one .... Jt people..check this out!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tak22 on October 07, 2009, 06:54:45 AM
Thank you Otto and Mannix, I know how much it would mean to you both to find an answer, considering how much effort you've put in.

tak
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 07:02:23 AM
Thanks Otto,


Congratulations ... I knew that your tenacicy would blits the game here!

we will need some explatation with the "secret image" about those cap relationships.

The actual mosfet type etc

Lets just  get everybody to the same page b4 the nayers bark

@all please hold off untill the details for this experiment are complete.

@ Otto you might want to lock this thread until there is another bright light!




Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 07:16:28 AM
Hello all,

@Mannix

thanks for the pictures.

@All

The bottom picture showes how to connect your MOSFET. I never used a MOSFET driver so I think its not nessesary. The setup is a little bit strange because I have the minus from the power supply connected to the coil but we want so called shockwaves and this is the best solution.

The top picture shows whats going on:

The drawing showes you only the negative part of my oscillator.

The 470pF cap in my oscillator is interacting with the  OFF capacitance (330pF) that has a IRFP 450 MOSFET and also with the capacitance of my coils.

In this way I have sooooo big negaitve BEMF spikes.....but thats not the point.

Starting from around 200kHz or so I have very slow collapses. As I tune the frequency to a lower value, the collapses are faster and faster.

I saw that the maximal collapse frequency could be around 5 or 6kHz. The light is not good because I have only the coils connected. At the mentioned 5 or 6kHz, as the collapses are really fast, we have the needed vibration.

But dont think about an oridinary vibration. The collapses and the vibration showes very clearly that the signal is a lot of times bigger then the original input signal.

To be sure I have the vibration I placed a big neodym magnet under my little transformer. But you havt to be careful because the coils could be easily fired away from the magnet into your face, ha,ha.

The little transformer is made in this way:

a quadratic spool, inside diameter is 12mm, 1/2", height maybe 1"

first wound primary wire diameter 0,5mm = AWG 24, lenght 10m= 30 ft.
over the primary is the secondary
wire diameter is 0,8mm = AWG 20

So, if you want to try this I would first try to connect my MOSFET in the way I showed you. Maybe it works, maybe not.

If not then you have to build new oscillators like Im doing it now.

Now a WARNING:

youre old enough and clever but....

1. NEVER, NEVER again, NEVER tune 2 of the frequencies to the exact same value. This is strictly FORBIDDEN

But if you do it then you can buy a new power supply, new transistors, MOSFETs.....Its on you.

2. If you use a car battery as power supply OPEN, OPEN, again OPEN the cells so the produced hydrogen can freely go out of the battery.

I know that I forgot a lot but Im here so....

Otto







Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 07:22:45 AM
Hello my friends,

thanks for your kind words.
No, there is no reason to lock this thread because about naysayers I can in this case only laugh. Ha,ha,ha.

This is the real way a lot of so called "overunity" devices work, thats now clear.

Did I wrote about something special? No. And I dont want because the people should  discover it

Didnt Steven Mark told us that the TPU is NOT "rocket science"?

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 07:49:16 AM
Otto,

Great!

The mosfet device type and a few photos when you can please
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 08:13:19 AM
Hello all,

@Mannix

yes, I know that pictures are very important. Tomorrow you will have the pictures. I wanted a video but my filmcrew has the flue so I have to wait.

I tried to work with a IRF 840 MOSFET and had the same results. Output capacitance = 310pF!!

We all talked a lot about tubes. I bought some of them tried to pulse them....had never sucess because I was stupid. Then I looked into the datasheed of my triode and saw it: the gate of my triode needed a negative pulse!!! Ha! What a "discovery", ha,ha.

I dont have to say why tubes: CLEAR frequencies and STABLE frequencies. But not as people would think. Now, with my SS oscillator I have a big problem: it works fine, the collapses are strong....but when my hand is near the oscillator the frequency changes and the effect is gone. Yes, shield it but....

The people here have meters to measure the capacitance of their coils, have a lot of other equipment so I hope they can do what I showed much easier, better, faster....

I dont have a profi equipment so people, its your turn to work.

I gave you ALL my knowledge.

Yes, a lot of problems are to solve but WE CAN DO IT!!!

And for the naysayers: for me there was not one moment to have any doubts about the TPU. I knew always it was and is a real device. And so the videos.

Otto



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 08:19:58 AM
Great stuff !!

People need a clear picture of coils arangement to proceed ..



Tomorrow will be good day!

this will be the best thread yet!  ... dogs and all

Lindsay
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 09:10:22 AM
Hello all,

@to the bad guys

I would say "gentleman" but this would be wrong.

G A M E  O V E R  F O R  Y O U !!!!

You have lost the game so stop to fuck around my mails.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 09:36:35 AM
Yeah , go get a soldering iron, some wire and do something useful, nasty doggies
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 10:09:42 AM
Hello all,

OK, my mails doesnt work like they should, my scanner suddenly doesnt work, whats the next??

The little transformer is wound on a plastic body. Its quadratic.
The diameter is 12mm x 12mm and the height around 25mm.
1/2" x 1/2" and height is around 1".

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 11:45:45 AM
Otto,
what is quadratic?

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 11:57:16 AM
@Mannix

square.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 12:10:22 PM
Are the windings are wrapped around it like a tube. not through the  length?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 12:16:40 PM
Hello all,

@Manix

imagine a oridinary little transformer. Nothing worth to mention. I will again try to scan a drawing about the transformers body and send you the drawing so you can post it.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 07, 2009, 12:19:52 PM
I presume that square wave is used to manage mosfet ? I heard icl 8038 is obsolete and have unstable output
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 07, 2009, 12:30:05 PM
Quote: The little transformer is made in this way:
a quadratic spool, inside diameter is 12mm, 1/2", height maybe 1"
first wound primary wire diameter 0,5mm = AWG 24, lenght 10m= 30 ft.
over the primary is the secondary
wire diameter is 0,8mm = AWG 20
 Hi Otto
Can you give us the number of turns (or lenght)  on the secondary please

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: fabver on October 07, 2009, 12:33:14 PM
Hi Otto,

your idea is the same as 2 years ago ? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2235.0
No overunity only a transformer.

F.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tishatang on October 07, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
@Otto

Congratulations on your breakthrough. 

Tishatang
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
@forest

even with this unstable IC I got what I wanted. Its clear that new oscillators are needed. Not sooooo complicated as mine.

@nvisser

the lenghts of the coils are already posted:

secondary lenght 30ft.
over that the primary, lenght 9 ft.

@fabver

no, its totally different. Its my newest "technology" ha,ha.

Otto

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 12:58:14 PM
@tishatang

I hear the nicest music when I tune my coils to a high frequency and my coils gives me a nicest sound ever heared. 5 or 6Khz.

What did you say 2 years ago? When is your birthday?

Im asking because there was a few months ago a veeeeery nice man who wanted to help me with money, he insisted to finance my work, wanted that I quit my job so I can work all the day long on my coils....he has sent me 500 bucks that I never got....he had hundreds of questions......and then suddenly he dissapeared!


HA, Raul, how have you classified me?

As an idiot? as a dreamer? as a man not worth to mention? not enough knowledge to solve the TPU??

But you dont know something about me: I NEVER GIVE UP!!

But Raul, you forgot something: I PROMISED YOU TO FINISH THE TPU UNTIL END OF THIS YEAR!!!

This is the reason tishatang Im asking when you have your birthday.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 07, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
Otto
You wrote about 2 oscilators when you said:NEVER tune 2 of the frequencies to the exact same value. This is strictly FORBIDDEN.
Your diagram only got one oscillator?
What voltage rating is your 100w lamp?
Does the battery charge while running as you wrote that it
produce hydrogen .
Do you use 50% duty cycle?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 01:23:48 PM
@nvisser

yes, for now we need 3 oscillators. When we finish only 1 is needed that gives us the 3 frequencies.
My 100W bulb is 230V/100W. No, please dont als anything about overunity or such crap.

The bulb is only glowing. The point is NOT to light the bulb, the point is to get a very strong vibration.

My friend wrote me that he had a lot of trouble with his battery. Of course at an unknown frequency.

As my oscillator is on my workbench I have no idea about the used duty cycle but yes, I suppose it was 50%.

Its maybe time to think about oscillators, something easy to build, maybe with a 555 and then to try it. A square wave oscillator that we can "hide" inside a 6" TPU.

Ideas? Schematics??

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 01:39:49 PM
3 coils laid one on top of the other....we know what that means now!

lets get Otto's  vibration replicated, many of you have the bits to do this
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 07, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
Is it something like Bob Boyce use to drive his toroid or do you need to adjust the frequensies independently?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 01:56:33 PM
Hello all,

you all remember the "3 cannons story", I hope.

 Only 1 "cannon" is good but 2 of them used with wrong frequencies......I even want to think about what will happen with 3 such powerfull "cannons".

Now, just imagine the 3 stack picture, that was a great TPU in connection with the 3 "cannons".

Take care and be veeeery clever.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 07, 2009, 01:57:09 PM
3 coils laid one on top of the other....we know what that means now!

lets get Otto's  vibration replicated, many of you have the bits to do this
I would love to but it is obvious that some information are missing on the schematic.
What does this circuit do  if it does not light the bulb? Sorry I am new here. What secret does it solve?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 01:58:24 PM
@nvisser

every frequency has to be tuned.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 07, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
This is the ic Iuse. TL494
Duty cycle adjust and risetime of 100nsec
Here is a 12k low quality picture of the circuit
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 02:42:33 PM
@nvisser

give us something with a 555 if possible. There will be a lot of blown oscillators until we finish our job.

In the beginning I have blown only MOSFETs, a lot of them, now as Im "cleverer", Im blowing oscillators. This is ....

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 07, 2009, 02:45:41 PM
Here is a better picture used by JL naudin on the meg
The idea of this post is to show how he used the TL494 as oscilator
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 07, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
The 555 are realy outdated and the tl494 cost about nothing and is easier to built. You can adjust the duty cycly by changing the voltage on pin4 between 0 and 3.3v with a voltage divider ( resistor and pot) or with a 3.6v zener, 820 ohm resistor and 2k pot like in my first drawing
The problem with the 555 circuits is that when you adjust the duty cycle you also change the frequency. Very annoying!
On the TL494 ,Pins 9 and 10 give you opposite outputs as in JL Naudins circuit or if you use it it as in the first drawing you connect 8 and 11 together as output and use a 1k pullup resistor to 12v. Pin 9 and 12 than connect to ground
You should really use mosfet drivers like mc 33151 or Tc4420. It will switch your mosfets fully on and also switch very quick which prevents overheating of fets
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: rensseak on October 07, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
@nvisser

give us something with a 555 if possible. There will be a lot of blown oscillators until we finish our job.

In the beginning I have blown only MOSFETs, a lot of them, now as Im "cleverer", Im blowing oscillators. This is ....

Otto

Hello Otto,

this is the one i will use for my oscillators for testing

http://www.hobby-bastelecke.de/bilder/schaltungen/rechteckgenerator3.gif

later i thing this will be the small solution.

http://www.hobby-bastelecke.de/bilder/schaltungen/rechteckgenerator1.gif

the site where i found it:

http://www.hobby-bastelecke.de/projekte/signalgenerator_rechteck.htm

Norbert

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 07, 2009, 03:08:18 PM
Have you noticed any charging or interference with adjascent circuits or conductors?

this was a common problem a very long time ago:

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 07, 2009, 04:17:43 PM
Grumpy

Is that vibration released into the air ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 07, 2009, 04:37:30 PM

Sauron posted the little black video transformer.

Quote: The little transformer is made in this way:
a quadratic spool, inside diameter is 12mm, 1/2", height maybe 1"
first wound primary wire diameter 0,5mm = AWG 24, lenght 10m= 30 ft.
over the primary is the secondary
wire diameter is 0,8mm = AWG 20
 Hi Otto
Can you give us the number of turns (or lenght)  on the secondary please

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 07, 2009, 04:38:32 PM
Hello all,

@nvisser

If you use a MOSFET driver I think there would NOT be a vibration!! We need a capacitive coupling between the oscillator, the MOSFET and the coils.

@rensseak

thanks a lot. I will try it. If you also want to build it you have to change the cap 10nF or the other ot both or use just 1 with 470pF.

@Grumpy

I didnt try it but....

After over 10 hours in front of my PC I have to go.

Otto

PS:

@Chef

who pays you?

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 07, 2009, 06:29:18 PM
OMG the secret has been revealed .... NOT !

The TPU will die soon enough , I can feel it . This is the final speculative bubble before the big crash .

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: rensseak on October 07, 2009, 07:14:35 PM

@rensseak

thanks a lot. I will try it. If you also want to build it you have to change the cap 10nF or the other ot both or use just 1 with 470pF.


tach Otto,

demnächst kommt ein kleines Paket von Conrad  ;D  bei mir an, dann kanns losgehen. Allerdings baue ich mir die Teile mit Sechsfachschalter und die Kondensatoren habe ich so wie in deiner Schaltung gewählt (4,7µF - 470nF - 47nF - 4,7nF und die letzten beiden mit 470pF u. 47pF). Die 1k Widerstände habe ich mit 2k5 Potis ersetzt um etwas feiner einstellen können. Bei dieser Gelegenheit noch ne Frage, muß es ein Edding sein.

@all

there is nothing special what i wrote, sorry

Norbert

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 07, 2009, 08:03:59 PM
otto

do you see ripple on falling slope of square wave signal at mosfet ? disruptive discharge ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 07, 2009, 11:42:30 PM
OMG the secret has been revealed .... NOT !

The TPU will die soon enough , I can feel it . This is the final speculative bubble before the big crash .

woof! woof ! ^%^&%&!! woof!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nvisser on October 08, 2009, 10:15:31 AM
Hi Otto
I need to ask you agian what this circuit does so you can claim that you solved the TPU secret?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 08, 2009, 11:00:55 AM
Hello all,

@nvisser

at a frequensy at say 250kHz the "show" starts: very slow collapses. In the first moment when I saw it, I touhgt a capacitor is discharged into the coils, but there was no cap connected!
Then I tuned the frequency to a lower value and the frequency of the collapses rised. I never saw this before.
Then I connected a 2. oscillator and a 2. MOSFET to try it with 2 frequencies.

And then I was "clever" and used 2 frequencies of the same value. Veeeery nice. I knew that there could be a disaster, but I was not fast enough. The output resistors of my 2 oscillators are blown.

After I fixed them I was working a lot on the frequencies, made a lot of setups.....and the I found something that I DONT WANT to post.

Its on you all to find out what I saw.

I have now really not much time so ....tomorrow.

Otto

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tishatang on October 08, 2009, 12:19:30 PM
@Ottto
I am pleased you remembered my birthday.  You are so busy.  Yes, it is coming up again soon, December 10.  But time has slipped by you.  It will be 3 years.  I wanted a TPU for my 70th birthday.  I will be 73.

Best of luck,
Tishatang
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 08, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
Hello all,

@nvisser

at a frequensy at say 250kHz the "show" starts: very slow collapses. In the first moment when I saw it, I touhgt a capacitor is discharged into the coils, but there was no cap connected!
Then I tuned the frequency to a lower value and the frequency of the collapses rised. I never saw this before.
Then I connected a 2. oscillator and a 2. MOSFET to try it with 2 frequencies.

And then I was "clever" and used 2 frequencies of the same value. Veeeery nice. I knew that there could be a disaster, but I was not fast enough. The output resistors of my 2 oscillators are blown.

After I fixed them I was working a lot on the frequencies, made a lot of setups.....and the I found something that I DONT WANT to post.

Its on you all to find out what I saw.

I have now really not much time so ....tomorrow.

Otto


Otto

At least give us a few tips of what you DON'T WANT TO POST. Do you plan to be more mysterious then SM ?  :o
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 08, 2009, 01:15:59 PM
Steven once said that his coils lose weight...I never posted that because its unbelievable isint it? Now the barking terriers of doubt will stir , but that's  my guess because Ottos coil is small and very light.

But rather than guess and ask for more info we should use what he has revealed so that you will be able to continue in the correct context..so wind your coil on a square tube like he said.

If you are not going to do any thing, just watch .
You wont ever know unless you try it for yourself will you?
You certainly wold not  believe it unless you saw it in front of you.
Im using a cardboard valve box for mine, I hope the plastic is not important but I WILL find out .

I just hope that Otto is safe from accident

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 08, 2009, 01:24:13 PM
Otto

A schematic of coil ? Please... ::)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 08, 2009, 02:03:08 PM
...

After I fixed them I was working a lot on the frequencies, made a lot of setups.....and the I found something that I DONT WANT to post.

Its on you all to find out what I saw.

I have now really not much time so ....tomorrow.

Otto

In an attempt to build a TPU to output usable current to power devices, Otto discovers anti-gravity. 

News at 6:00
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 08, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
Inventor discovers unusual effects of interacting frequencies with limited tools and is ridiculed by his peers.


old news
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Spider on October 08, 2009, 02:39:38 PM
In an attempt to build a TPU to output usable current to power devices, Otto discovers anti-gravity. 

News at 6:00

Has he flown off into space?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 08, 2009, 02:48:21 PM
Mannix or otto if you are still here!

I have most of the parts to start test but I was wondering how important the wire guage is?  Would it matter if I used 26 and 22?

On a side note about the loss of weight.  I have seen a very simple experiment that goes like this....

200 winds (bi) of say 20guage thats hooked up to a regular lamp plug
A sheet of AL underneath the coil (90 deg)

If you plug it in to the wall it will hover!  I have not tried this myself but the video looked convincing!  Maybe there are some similar processes going on!
 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 08, 2009, 03:30:19 PM
Inventor discovers unusual effects of interacting frequencies with limited tools and is ridiculed by his peers.


old news

Not ridicule.  Just lightening the mood.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 08, 2009, 05:33:10 PM
Steven once said that his coils lose weight...I never posted that because its unbelievable isint it?   

This is where with-holding information is just as bad as mis-information.
Shit, A while back I had a coil that was losing weight but I thought it was irrelevant so I dismantelled it.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Paul-R on October 08, 2009, 06:14:52 PM
This is where with-holding information is just as bad as mis-information.
Shit, A while back I had a coil that was losing weight but I thought it was irrelevant so I dismantelled it.
Eugene Podkletnov noticed that gravity above his coil was less than gravity in the
surrounding space, even several floors up the building.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: kmarinas86 on October 08, 2009, 06:30:20 PM
Mannix or otto if you are still here!

I have most of the parts to start test but I was wondering how important the wire guage is?  Would it matter if I used 26 and 22?

On a side note about the loss of weight.  I have seen a very simple experiment that goes like this....

200 winds (bi) of say 20guage thats hooked up to a regular lamp plug
A sheet of AL underneath the coil (90 deg)

If you plug it in to the wall it will hover!  I have not tried this myself but the video looked convincing!  Maybe there are some similar processes going on!

Those are called eddy currents. Eddy currents are already used in semi-automated electronics recycling facilities. The existence of eddy currents is recognized by mainstream science.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22eddy+current+separator%22
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 08, 2009, 06:38:41 PM
I thouhgt it was a lenzing effect!  ;)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 08, 2009, 07:02:11 PM
LOL @ this pathetic thread .

Speculative bubble crash !!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 08, 2009, 10:59:23 PM
LOL @ this pathetic thread .

Speculative bubble crash !!!!!!!!!!

yap! yap yap!

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 08, 2009, 11:23:27 PM
Mannix or otto if you are still here!

I have most of the parts to start test but I was wondering how important the wire guage is?  Would it matter if I used 26 and 22?

On a side note about the loss of weight.  I have seen a very simple experiment that goes like this....

200 winds (bi) of say 20guage thats hooked up to a regular lamp plug
A sheet of AL underneath the coil (90 deg)

If you plug it in to the wall it will hover!  I have not tried this myself but the video looked convincing!  Maybe there are some similar processes going on!

Thats eddie current ..you house power meter works on it too

I dont know how important the wire guage is . I am using something close, but not exact to what Otto used.

Im also using a different frequency source. The point of difference may be the square section of the windings , or something else like the interaction that happened because of his switching method.

Im not suggesting that Otto has the tpu nailed completely. Just the primary effect that we have been searching for. The most elusive bit

Any body who thinks that there will be a complete tpu monkey diagram here is going to be dissapointed, at least in the short term. BUT  HE HAS THE EFFECT . Of that I am confident.

The inventor warned about craters  so use a small amount of wire. Perhaps that's the point..but then again every thing could be wrong. Im not tying to piss in any body's  pocket Im just trying to get a few of you off your arses , under which are your hands , go with your gut instinct because thats what helped Otto
Dont believe anything especially if it is not in front of you, But there may be a chance to have this magical tone in front of you IF you want to work at it . Otto did and your job is now easier because of that.

The physicists will follow later , they always have haven't they?






 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 08, 2009, 11:37:53 PM
I love building....It's the only way to find the unknown.  Thank for the info M....otto didn't seem to be on long today??? I hope he isn't going to slow down like Brue!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 09, 2009, 12:24:39 AM

Any body who thinks that there will be a complete tpu monkey diagram here is going to be dissapointed, at least in the short term.


I don't think you can speak for everybody. If I knew how to build any overunity device I would spread the info far and wide and as quickly as possible.

I know I am expected to behave all holly and throw scraps at people but call me stupid if you like.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 09, 2009, 12:25:07 AM
One more thing thats worth considering.
You wont need your scope to do this  because you will just blow it up!

Every body who has played with this has lost equipment like this, myself included but didnt really now exactly how.

Otto has said that the energy is Massive

a magnet nearby and you will hear it sing(the coil) at some point but the used freq is 200 odd khz and the sing is around 5.8 khz . There are lots of great theorys about this number but untill you have it, the theory is just mind candy.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 09, 2009, 12:28:21 AM
I don't think you can speak for everybody. If I knew how to build any overunity device I would spread the info far and wide and as quickly as possible.

I know I am expected to behave all holly and throw scraps at people but call me stupid if you like.

Surely, this is the process in witch we are now immersed ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magregus on October 09, 2009, 05:03:40 AM
Wheres the magnet in this setup?  Cause if you aren't using one this is not the TPU secret at all.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: b0rg13 on October 09, 2009, 11:11:06 AM
hi Mr O.
..good to see your still around,now and then i come back for a little look :).
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 09, 2009, 01:39:47 PM
Hello all,

sorry guys but my time is sooooo limited.

@forest

yes, the signals are like you fire a very big cap into the coils.


OK here you have it:

lets say the current from the PS is 2A at an unknown pulsing frequency. OK, Lets say 200kHz. The collapses maybe 1 - 5Hz. Its clearly to see that each collaps causes the current to rise. Its clear and normal. At a higher collapsing frequency the current rises even more. In short, the current from each collaps adds to the collaps before.

Now, at a certain frequency I see that the analog ampermeter showes a DROPPING of the current when I have collapses. AND THIS IS THE BIG SECRET!!!

Have you enough imagination??

I saw this with only 1 frequency. Now imagine 2 or 3 frequencies. Now imagine 3 tuned coils.....

This effect is what we need!!!

@Mannix

ha,ha, yes, of course the coils lose weight. I wrote about this years ago. Heeeey, under my coil is a big neodym so I can hear when I have the collapsing frequency of 5 or 6kHz. When the collapses are very slow, the coils are jumping. In such a moment they lose their weight. Of course they lose all the time their weight, thats clear.
I have to say that a core or a magnet have NOTHING to do with the described effect.

@stprue

wire diameter has NOTHING, I HOPE, do with the effect. Logic? No, but...

Hmmm.....hopefully I answered some questions. Its almost weekend and weekends I dont post so we can continue on Monday.

Otto

PS: it seems that some people have shorter and shorter finger nails? Guess why??

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 09, 2009, 02:04:14 PM
Thanks Otto,

Lets hope there are some experimenters  up for some tinkering this weekend.


All Ottos power supply is not grounded I suggest using battery supply or isolated supply.
Steven  mentioned seperate sources of frequency.

All comming together at the same point.   I hope a few are getting this.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 09, 2009, 02:21:37 PM
Otto

You said you are pulsing at 5-6khz but what is the voltage and amperage at this frequency?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 09, 2009, 06:36:03 PM
Hello all,

@stprue

everything depends on the oscillator.

The voltage from the power supply: 5V - 24V. The amperes depends on how the oscillator is tuned to the coils.

Today I tried other coils and had not sooooo good results but it worked. I used little transformers from blown PC power supplies. Yes, I could see the collapses but not so nice like with my little transformer.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 09, 2009, 06:49:50 PM
Thank you for the response!  I can't waite to see some pictures!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 09, 2009, 07:40:56 PM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8141.0;attach=38105

In the 'Right way' diagram the gate is left to float or be susceptible to noise. I also mentioned the high side fet made a difference before. Marco and Armagdn3 pointed this out to me. The coil gets hit first when the fet conducts. Later, a post was made that this makes no difference. I still contend, like Otto, this does. This is how I do all my tests now. Coil connected as low side to ground of the circuit.
With the oscillator and the PS isolated the gate is the only bridge between the 2 stages. This makes it look like an antenna. Noise can effect the fet operation.
I will run off a 12v battery and check this too.
In talking with Jason we both agree that the light seen is glowing is current. The color scheme would be red, orange, yellow. If white is never seen then the operation is current and rf. If a white glow is achieved then RE is achieved. The high speed RE reacts with the inductance not the conductance of the filament. So this test is showing a crossover point in understanding and using different bandwidths of energies.

This whole output stage is in series which allows current flow. Granted the current setup is mobius wound. This is a constant! Now imagine this. You dump a cap into a coil. This is very high voltage, high speed. The inductor screams bloody murder! No conduction and the field snaps against the wire going through the middle. The same wire that feeds or bleeds the same conduction pathway. Regardless of polarities, this excitation excludes time as a normal timeframe or measurement we normally understand or work with. The dynamics are of immense importantance because these effects are beyond what we have first taken to the bench in this pursuit.

Jason and I talked about this last night. We are going to pursue this build. Our concerns are focused on the gates of the fet. I want to back up one step and not use a fet but drive that mobius winding with a stun gun using the high voltage shock into the inductor. I did this with the GK4 before. Lo and behold, there were purple dartlets between the outside winding through the space to my finger tip at a distance of 1/2 inch.

Another point I wish to make is the single coil architecture. There are 3 topologies.
1: Machine wound back and forth. Very smooth and layers going in 2 different directions.
2: Hand wound back and forth. Alot of overlaps or messy weaving, like a bad Rodin coil. Random nodes all over the place.
3: Hand wound only in 1 direction with a half of circumference return wind then forward again. Overlaps still exist.

I have a winder that can do option 3. The return wind makes a bump under then next layer though.

Does all this make a difference?  Lets say you had a machine wound option #3. The finished coil would look like a pancake coil but with height. Concentric winds like a canister with in a canister and driven in all the same direction. The power of the Pancake magnified. The clue is Tesla sitting in front of his 8 foot pancake coil. He is showing a clue to those who want to know. If coil mechanics didn't matter then we have no basis for what transformers look like.
Gotoluc did a cap charging test with a square coil on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gotoluc#p/u/44/X9xm3YJ3vt4

More BEMF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlO8UDsc-Fc&NR=1

I see 2 high voltage spike type circuits.
1 is the BEMF is recycled
2 is the high speed charge is actually after a spark gap into a coil. The coil responds differently.

1 is a loop circuit and 2 is a linear circuit. #2 is where N.Telsa focuses on the majority of his tests. Now there is a loop in all of Tesla's circuits. In the feedback loop is a slower dielectric. Not in the circuit but on the circuit. He boosts the charge far above the medium so the flow doesn't look like losses but emmits discharges.

What does all this have to do with Otto's mobius winds. In a short answer is snapping the fields. Hit a coil with a very fast charge. The forced magnetic moment of the electrons obeying then the coil releasing that immense paradigm change into a cap. We don't get more than what we put in. It looks that way. We boost the energy to charge a medium then discharge that higher bandwidth into a lower medium, the light bulb or cap. But it is what happens after the spark gap discharge. Pump that into a coil to store then let it discharge to capture or see it.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 09, 2009, 09:07:43 PM
great post GK !


Like spinning a bicycle wheel ...our pulses should just  be the guide ..not something to  slow it down.
The field does screw with our circuits which is usually a bad thing unless they are just right.

Low component count must be important HA "no mass electronics"

Of course none of us know exactly what we are doing..just working towards it

Dont let your ignorance prevent you from trying this ..it just might help you.

Most of us with a bit of "training" are having trouble because we should know better.

Gain knowledge from experience ..not experience from "knowledge"  I think that's Ottos motto.



Cheers! javascript:void(0);

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 09, 2009, 10:13:24 PM
Thanks for the affirmation.
Your post brought other patterns that are important.
The tests are this:
The gk4 with a 3 channel unsychronized TTL controller.
The stun gun charges into coils.
The PMH-LEM series.
Then the bifilar.
The last 3 are the most important because of the least amount of electronics with the biggest bang for the buck.
The bifilar tests told me that after 20 seconds the build sings, the scope fillls up with a waveform of high frequency. At the time I could not generate over 1MHz but the circuit did 5 to 6MHz on it's own. I knew this was it! The device ramps up and continues on with no current or heat to speak of.
So the fet fires the coil, the coil rings back to the fet. How about putting a control coil on the gate line of the fet? Woohoo... I told Yucca that. There is the feedback loop everybody is looking for!
Well isn't that the dumbest thing. So was 90 degree coupling...

great post GK !


Like spinning a bicycle wheel ...our pulses should just  be the guide ..not something to  slow it down.
The field does screw with our circuits which is usually a bad thing unless they are just right.

Low component count must be important HA "no mass electronics"

Of course none of us know exactly what we are doing..just working towards it

Dont let your ignorance prevent you from trying this ..it just might help you.

Most of us with a bit of "training" are having trouble because we should know better.

Gain knowledge from experience ..not experience from "knowledge"  I think that's Ottos motto.



Cheers! javascript:void(0);
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 10, 2009, 12:08:06 AM
That is so ridiculously simple it couldn't possibly work ...or  could it?

A starter motor of pulses to excite the Whatever then free run on its own stuff...no, it couldn't  be so because if it was, it has been under our noses the whole time HA!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 10, 2009, 12:19:06 AM
David says he will fight the giant. His whole famn damily says 'No Way! You ain't squat!' King Saul says 'Here. Put on all this armor and weaponary. It is way too much. David goes to the battle field with 5 stones and a sling. It only takes 1 stone. Keep it simple or kingdoms fall....

Ha,Ha,Ha..... this is going to be fun.

That is so ridiculously simple it couldn't possibly work ...or  could it?

A starter motor of pulses to excite the Whatever then free run on its own stuff...no, it couldn't  be so because if it was, it has been under our noses the whole time HA!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on October 10, 2009, 12:55:01 AM
hi everyone good day!

history repeat itself.

its a fake revelation!!!

they are just looking for some new info to tackle with ok, nothings new, everything is repeating, better to do your own.  ;D

even them,  they don't have real one!!!! hahahahahahaha

though not like sm design, at least mine is working.  8)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 10, 2009, 01:51:15 AM
Show us what you did if its not too much trouble.

Otto is showing what he did
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 10, 2009, 02:34:42 AM
hi everyone good day!

history repeat itself.

its a fake revelation!!!

they are just looking for some new info to tackle with ok, nothings new, everything is repeating, better to do your own.  ;D

even them,  they don't have real one!!!! hahahahahahaha

though not like sm design, at least mine is working.  8)

I just read a few of your posts ..most of what you say makes good sense..coming over here and yapping does not.. please explain
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 10, 2009, 06:39:29 AM
I'm being serious when I ask this?

What's the "new" revelation here?

All I see is some circuit attempts at a switching methodology and some talk of hitting the resonance of the transformer and talk of collapses and frequencies.

I guess it doesn't take much to excite you guys.

Yes you can do a lot with resonance and coils and switching,  and it can all be exciting. I get excited too when I light up my Tesla coil, or resonate my ignition coil, but I hope we're clear on one thing, this is not a TPU!   

Let's not pervert what SM discovered just because we can't achieve it !

EM

P.S.  And for Gods sake,  do some reading on switching techniques, if you insist on playing with this stuff (it might save you from blowing MOSFETS left and right): 
http://www.dei.unipd.it/~pel/Articoli/1998/Ias/Ias98_2.PDF
http://www.iisb.fraunhofer.de/de/arb_geb/pub_les/PCIM_China_2007_Mao.pdf
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/an_pk/737/   
http://www.advancedenergyconversion.com/pdfs/pesc97.pdf
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7046049/claims.html

I have a lot of respect for otto and for Mannix and for anybody who experiments and shows their results, so if you perceive my annoyance know that it is meant to keep in check these naive sentiments that we have discovered the "secret".  This thread is mislabeled for sure.  Another thing, I will not give up until I find and PROVE that I found the secret.  Yes, this is a jungle, so get a good machete and clear your path....
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: kooler on October 10, 2009, 07:02:35 AM
well guys atleast i can say i will post all my discoverys here and won't hold back and talk about how i built the best rig and stick in your face and spam the whole forum saying quit messing with tpu and stuff its all in the tesla blah, blah ,blah...
sorry. to much to drink i think...
i'll post a schematic before i post my ego

out, robbie
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 10, 2009, 07:36:17 AM
Give this a go EM!

Consider the possibility that may be more important than it looks
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 10, 2009, 08:26:01 AM
How to achieve the oscillatory, ringing feedback:
When the fet turns on the magnetic field appears on the bias line.
Then the field appears in the red control,
then the field appears in the blue control.
The 2 control coils are bifilar and wound like a Telsa bifilar pancake.
So the bias gets squeezed by the first control then the secondary squeezes it again.
The collector is biased with the initial field and then echoes the shockwave to the gate in parallel with the incoming pulse.
The control coils go all the way around the ring.
The collector coil is stranded lamp cord. The bifilar control coil is solid 22awg speaker cord. The diameter is 4".
Schematic included. Starting frequency is 4khz. Ending frequency is 1.6MGHZ.

Watch the video and see the effect take hold and continue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C1uicaW7Ms

This set up is stable. The results happen every time at about 20 seconds.
It is a good time to be alive.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 10, 2009, 01:13:56 PM
I see all those TC on youtube and every discharge is connected with secondary. What if there is a way to make discharge free running in air ? is that the answer ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 10, 2009, 02:38:38 PM
How to achieve the oscillatory, ringing feedback:
When the fet turns on the magnetic field appears on the bias line.
Then the field appears in the red control,
then the field appears in the blue control.
The 2 control coils are bifilar and wound like a Telsa bifilar pancake.
So the bias gets squeezed by the first control then the secondary squeezes it again.
The collector is biased with the initial field and then echoes the shockwave to the gate in parallel with the incoming pulse.
The control coils go all the way around the ring.
The collector coil is stranded lamp cord. The bifilar control coil is solid 22awg speaker cord. The diameter is 4".
Schematic included. Starting frequency is 4khz. Ending frequency is 1.6MGHZ.

Watch the video and see the effect take hold and continue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C1uicaW7Ms

This set up is stable. The results happen every time at about 20 seconds.
It is a good time to be alive.

--giantkiller.

Awesome!  Thank you for making the video, it really gets the concept across!  Keep up the good work!!!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 10, 2009, 04:11:58 PM
Yes, this is a jungle, so get a good machete and clear your path....

Darkspeed is hacking through the jungle...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8134.msg204174#msg204174
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 10, 2009, 05:27:47 PM
@otto

It is good you opened this thread. Remember during the ECD days, I had put up a diagram mod of your plan putting the switches on the positive side and trying to explain that pulsing an already full coil at the end is not the same thing as pulsing an empty coil at the beginning. Glad to see you have found this out.

OK, I am putting up a diagram using your "right" diagram as the base to show how this may come together in the FTPU. In a basic form the FTPU is two Tesla Ozone Patents working in tandem via the toroid coil.

@EM

First of all @otto already said his diagram is not complete which is very understandable. Anyways, we are all subject to many forms of negation any time we put something forward. It is part of the deal so no problem. We each bring forth what we can within our own limitations. In my case, I am finding where things go but I will never have the ability to actually calculate component values given my lack of EE. But did that ever stop me from helping. I think not.

Yes there needs to be some voltage regulation since just in the FTPU there are many capacitors. I am in the process of finalizing a 3D diagram of the FTPU that will show you the better relationships between the rings, control coils, toroid, and components. I need a few more days to maximize the new diagram.

As far as resonance goes, this is a given since it is one of the only ways to ensure the lowest power consumption of the total device, while working to produce more juice at the output.

@GK

I have seen this many times in my testing where the waveform suddenly morphs into something else after a short while. I am glad to see you showing this.

@About the diagram

Here you will see a rough vulgarization of what i have been trying to convey for some time now. If you take two of @ottos' "right" diagrams and complete each side with the Tesla positive shorting method, you will get something like shown below. The two power supplies are actually only one power supply and the one lead going to each from the secondary outputs is basically one polarity and another polarity. The lines going back to the transistor bases are simply to show that the system is interdependent. One first side pulses, generates an output that is used to pulse the other side, that generates an output that is used to pulse the first side. There are capacitors in between these as my final FTPU diagram will show but again, I cannot calculate those values. My work is more limited to the actual physical make up of the devices, my own small testings and some logical portrayals.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 10, 2009, 09:10:28 PM
It's as simple as this:  you connect your so called "TPU"  to a power supply, and you automaticaly prove you don't have a TPU, period !

Watch the videos again !!!

EM
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 10, 2009, 09:36:14 PM
@EMD,
Exactly! Next is to connect 2nd and possible 3rd stages for building the energy to a usable power level then feed that back. Just like a stungun.
If I connect it to a battery that makes it a valid TPU? I can do that. This runs on 12v volts now. I have the Bedini type engine now. Add a power battery and a charging battery. Guide the energy to what purpose needs to be done.
The energy as it stands now will only phantom charge a capacitor. You know, high volt reading and can not run anything. Been done too many useless times. It is only a start. But thank you for realizing this as a TPU or close to it. This setup will continue as a basis for added simplicities. After 3 years we all know the next steps. The subject has been raped many times over.
I have given complete instructions for the builds that amount to something.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Yucca on October 10, 2009, 10:12:10 PM
@Giantkiller,

Thanks alot for the diagrams and vid, I've printed out the diagram, I will be winding something similar.

(Q):
On your youtube video where the events build slowly and then snap into a more energetic waveform, were you tweaking any controls or did that all happen hands off? I'm guessing it was hands off but I have to ask because it's amazing!

edit:
I've been trying inductive/capacitive pickup (loops and straight wire) like you said to modify the gate signal. It gives a new meaning to the term "control coil" and the system becomes much more complex, chaotic stuff seems to happen, it becomes almost alive. Different modes of operation snap into and out of existence depending on VERY small freq changes and pickup geometry. Touchwood I've not blown a FET (yet). I'm also pussyfooting around the thing with x100 probes which are real nice because they are real highZ and don't pull behaviour as much as x1 or x10.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 10, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
GK,

you can use a battery but it better not be any bigger then the volume of the mini-TPU.  If you can light a 100 watt lightbulb with it, then you have something simular, if not exact, to the TPU.

EM
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 11, 2009, 03:29:22 AM
@Yucca,
I touched nothing nor changed anything. The 4" ring is small volume so no danger. Now my 15" ring is another story. But like before I went back to the smaller coils like a year ago to control the continuous signal. The saturable reactor is the feedback control. I have this from a very informed source and there was a long posting session about this. Besides, once again, this appears all over the place in TPU pictures.

@EM,
I am now running off a 12v battery. Same event occurs. Just not ready for this step yet. The self running and charging will not be a problem. I promise.

@all,
You clock it with a square pulse. Tune up and down the scale. It is not hard. You will see spikes appear on the off cycle. Change the freq till see more appear then they start to wiggle. Keep at this till you see the wave move up in DC. Then wait. That is all there is to it. As practice just make the spikes appear and disappear. The final event should take 20 seconds if you decide to wait.
A 555 and a fet. The timing capacitor is .022uf and the duty cycle is 50%. The timimg and duty cycle pots are 100k. The bias and collector bifilar is 16awg stranded speaker wire. 4 turns 2 layers. Keep it neat and bundled square.

Been at this a year so I know it is doable. After I posted this on youtube that is when the saturable reactor posts started.
Here is the progressional history of the event.
Vid #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0pjd5r8pok&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0pjd5r8pok&feature=related)
Vid #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ZusnoGG9U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ZusnoGG9U&feature=related)
Vid #3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmL19smxww&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmL19smxww&feature=related)

The thumping and P2P spikes are most prominent with the Iron, Steel, & Copper. The spikes are bigger too. But don't be concerned with the different builds. I was chasing waveforms. Now you are too.

Vid #4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C1uicaW7Ms&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C1uicaW7Ms&feature=channel)

Grumpy said 'By the end of the year'. Merry Christmas!

There are 2 threads going. So I link: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7665.msg204281#msg204281 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7665.msg204281#msg204281)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7665.msg198295#msg198295 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7665.msg198295#msg198295)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8141.msg204217#msg204217 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8141.msg204217#msg204217)


--giantkiller. I hope there is alot of building out there. I am building a second one.

P.S. It is the crazy ones that change the world. The sane ones just complain. 8)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 05:22:30 AM
Way to ! Gk

The diagram shows a single wire for the controls ..not bifilar right?


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 11, 2009, 06:03:57 AM
The red and blue are bifilar but wired serially. So I get one long wire in 4 different fields events. The eclipsing fields produce the shockwave or virtual stun gun/sparkgap. High speed.
Resonance equals frequency matched up to circumference. Everything that has already been covered.

Way to ! Gk

The diagram shows a single wire for the controls ..not bifilar right?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 06:46:17 AM
Its the ftpu circuit 01  that is confusing me but also what puts the mag amp in perfect place

the rest is fantastic!

I feel a song comming on...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 11, 2009, 07:14:51 AM
EMDevices posted it so I thought I would include the topology since that is the next step I am taking.
That pic also matched the notched PVC coil that Marco, Jason and I built.

Its the ftpu circuit 01  that is confusing me but also what puts the mag amp in perfect place

the rest is fantastic!

I feel a song comming on...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 07:22:55 AM
That's where i was  going as well   Thanks!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 07:30:04 AM
I cant help thinking the collector winds top and bottom are different directions
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 11, 2009, 07:41:56 AM
Simple to hook up. That also fits in with eclipsing fields at a higher speed and the top and bottom of the vortex created.
Could be done on a single or dual rings.

When do the cenobites appear?

I cant help thinking the collector winds top and bottom are different directions
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 11, 2009, 08:07:39 AM
Im told that they are already here  HA!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 11, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
Hello all,

try top collector CW
middle collector CCW
bottom collector CW

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 11, 2009, 06:54:29 PM
Great idea Otto! You have never told me incorrectly before.
To preclude going to 3 layers, I have set at 2 for reason I state next.
Correctly spaced rings will sit in each others standing wave. That is why audio systems get feedback when the microphone is positioned at certain distances and angles. The standing waves are related to harmonic distances. Tesla's earthquake machine is another fine example.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=17282;image
I already have 3 layers in the BFG2k8 build. This build has variable distancing capabilities along support rods.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=26195;image (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=26195;image)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=26372;image (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=26372;image)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3354.msg124092#msg124092 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3354.msg124092#msg124092)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=26233;image (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=26233;image)

This is the distance testing in the standing waves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgkjMPZZqgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgkjMPZZqgQ)


Hello all,

try top collector CW
middle collector CCW
bottom collector CW

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: BEP on October 11, 2009, 10:39:48 PM
@GK,

Nice graphic.

Now bias the middle one so the peak never falls below zero  :o
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 12, 2009, 02:30:38 AM
nice graphics GK, if only they were real.   LOL 

I'm telling you guys, I know the secret ! but apparently it's falling on death ears.

I just don't have the time right now to do a proper design that's impedance matched, otherwise I'll be lighting up 100 watt bulbs.  It's not rocket science you know!   Just add a regulator to the output and I will get stable power to show you, but other priorities are here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0UE-84NEI

EM

P.S.  This is what I believe a TPU schematic is or should be, and what I will try and build when I have the time.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: IceStorm on October 12, 2009, 05:02:37 AM
nice graphics GK, if only they were real.   LOL 

I'm telling you guys, I know the secret ! but apparently it's falling on death ears.

I just don't have the time right now to do a proper design that's impedance matched, otherwise I'll be lighting up 100 watt bulbs.  It's not rocket science you know!   Just add a regulator to the output and I will get stable power to show you, but other priorities are here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0UE-84NEI

EM

P.S.  This is what I believe a TPU schematic is or should be, and what I will try and build when I have the time.

Nice video , coil under the table hooked to a frequency generator of something else, i have already saw that in other video, we call that magnetic coupling you know ?.

The problem in what you wrote is at VLF level, to get the maximum power you need the 1/4 wave and your coil is realy FAR FAR FAR from the lenght required for that. Make better hoax pls, this one was just to simple.

Waiting for your next hoax.
Best Regards,
IceStorm
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: IceStorm on October 12, 2009, 05:48:53 AM
There are lot of people now,who know the secrets, somebody please give us a clear answer why there is a slightly increase in the inrush of the current. No frequency's, oscillators, nothing, just a simple wire, a DC power source.

There alot of reason for that. A light bulb for exemple, at first the filament have realy low resistance, but when it become hotter the resistance increase, so when you apply the power to it , you see a inrush current and it stabilize when the filament is red hot. Same thing with a capacitor , at first the impedance is realy low, so the current is realy high but the impedance change until its nearly infini (fully charged).There no secret here.

Best Regards,
IceStorm
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 12, 2009, 05:53:43 AM
I am not doing grid induction.

2 ring test:
correction:

530hz
duty cycle 33%
2 rings

With another copper ring (not pulsed) above the first the ringing starts up after 20 seconds the dies after 1 minute. It chokes into quiescence.

This is not what I expected. Got to find a way around this. but wait after 3 minutes it comes back to life!

Gonna be tricky.
I reconnect a signal to the second ring cw also and the ringing dies. I remove the 2nd signal and the ringing returns.
both rings are cw. i get 1000x the input freq.

Each coil works separately. My distance between the coils could cause the canceling. Probably an incorrect harmonic distance. I will make this variable.


How about magnetic echoing with the timing as resonant. Wattsup posted a cross-coupled feedback system between the 2 coils.

@Wattsup! Success again. The cross-coupling of the feedback keeps both coils running in synch. But the bottom has 3.9vp2p while the top one has 1.2vp2p. I am driving with 2 freqs. I will patch down to one. You see the dynamic harmonics in the waveforms. I turned on my camera and the waves died. The coils are not matched closely enough but the freq that best matches the coil takes over and both channels are in lock step. My thinking is the unmatched coil adds the harmonics. If it is that tight I will include an iron wire delay. I found some of the tricky part. Thanks for the diagram. I will have to usb scope capture the waves. Everybody has to see the harmonics dance. There won't be higher voltage until the tuning gets tighten. I am watching the system try to itself but the mismatch diminishes that.
After camera off and coils off the coils are turned back on come back to active status. They fight to synch up and stay alive.
No resistors and no heat! I add an amp meter tomorrow also.

Tomorrow: Next config and new post further on in this thread.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 12, 2009, 07:09:36 AM
@Icestorm, my video is not a hoax, if you would have seen my other VLF coupling videos, you would know why I'm testing on the dining room table under the chandelier, when it's ON.  I can pick up energy from wires carrying VLF from the power grid up to about 4 feet.  My video was not meant to fake anything, but to illustrate the POWER that can be received from the grid harmonics.  That's the secret, it has to be.  His house is right next to the HV and high current power lines.  And yes, at VLF the wavelength is huge, and it's not pure magnetic induction it's resonant magnetic induction.   Big difference, the Q of resonance (for simple LC tanks) can built up the voltage 30 to 60 times beyond what normal induction could ever do.  That's the TPU secret, or part of it, as you can see he obtains stable DC voltage at the output, so there is more involved, like some active device to regulate.

Others would disagree with me on this, and claim the "turbine" effect is what makes a DC voltage. 

I second your explanation for the inrush current.

@GK,
what do you mean 1000x the input?   Are you using a square wave to drive ?  If you are, then there is no mystery.  The sharper the transition in the "square" wave the higher the frequency content.  It's the slope of the transitions that directly relates to how high a frequency content the signal possess.   So your stimulating some resonance and you will see the ringing.  The trick is to determine what rings and why, so you can build on that.   But regardless of what rings,  if you want a "receiver of energy" like the TPU, first determine the frequency in the air that's present at your location, then work on tuning, mixing, into it, etc...  This is what I'm trying to drive at over and over, so I'll stop.  I think I've said it way too much already.

EM
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: IceStorm on October 12, 2009, 07:43:53 AM
@Icestorm, my video is not a hoax, if you would have seen my other VLF coupling videos, you would know why I'm testing on the dining room table under the chandelier, when it's ON.  I can pick up energy from wires carrying VLF from the power grid up to about 4 feet.  My video was not meant to fake anything, but to illustrate the POWER that can be received from the grid harmonics.  That's the secret, it has to be.  His house is right next to the HV and high current power lines.  And yes, at VLF the wavelength is huge, and it's not pure magnetic induction it's resonant magnetic induction.   Big difference, the Q of resonance (for simple LC tanks) can built up the voltage 30 to 60 times beyond what normal induction could ever do.  That's the TPU secret, or part of it, as you can see he obtains stable DC voltage at the output, so there is more involved, like some active device to regulate.

Others would disagree with me on this, and claim the "turbine" effect is what makes a DC voltage. 

I second your explanation for the inrush current.

@GK,
what do you mean 1000x the input?   Are you using a square wave to drive ?  If you are, then there is no mystery.  The sharper the transition in the "square" wave the higher the frequency content.  It's the slope of the transitions that directly relates to how high a frequency content the signal possess.   So your stimulating some resonance and you will see the ringing.  The trick is to determine what rings and why, so you can build on that.   But regardless of what rings,  if you want a "receiver of energy" like the TPU, first determine the frequency in the air that's present at your location, then work on tuning, mixing, into it, etc...  This is what I'm trying to drive at over and over, so I'll stop.  I think I've said it way too much already.

EM

I understand what you said but with the inverse square law for wave propagation there is no way to light a resistive load unless your VERY near to the source, and im not talking yet about impedance mismatch who will be a real problem with the resistive load in your setup.

Best Regards
IceStorm
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 12, 2009, 07:55:39 AM
@IceStorm,

you're so correct,  at a wavelength of approximately 50 KM,  1 meter is VERY NEAR to the source.  We are definitely in the near-field.  Look up the concept of tuned magnetic loops for VLF.  This technology is being utilized now by wireless power folks.

EM
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: IceStorm on October 12, 2009, 08:14:15 AM
@IceStorm,

you're so correct,  at a wavelength of approximately 50 KM,  1 meter is VERY NEAR to the source.  We are definitely in the near-field.  Look up the concept of tuned magnetic loops for VLF.  This technology is being utilized now by wireless power folks.

EM

EMdevices, pls do a simple test,it take 10 sec to do. Use a spectrum analizer and look at the highest peak in the VLF range. Where im at right now the highest peak move from -20 DBm to -54 DBm , since its in DBm you can easily see how much power you can extract with a ideal LC Tank. Now tell me how i can light a resistive load instantly with that so little power ?

Best Regards,
IceStorm 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 12, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
So when he said that the devices work in aircraft, that must have been an aircraft skimming the power lines? at 10,000 feet?  so it was a mountain power line
Even if that is the case it would revolutionize the way we distribute power.

Some how I think the radio guys ..like myself would have done this. I look forward to you sharing the results of your hypothesis. Meanwhile Otto has shown you something that may be so very important.

Just try and make a little  tiny coil jump with 200khz drive and buzz at 5-6 k.

I havent succeeded yet but we will work this little bit of the puzzle out

Interesting times, whatever your take on whats been put foward.   

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 12, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
I'm wondering. Is that the same effect when I switch my hair-dryer ? The lights nearby blink. Surprisingly the same effect occurs when I turn off dryer or when I change rpm by using switch.
The obvious test would be to compare light bulb without inductance with a dryer with inductance. Heat both and abruptly shut off power. Because both were heated temperature would have no difference to the effect.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 12, 2009, 01:57:54 PM
So when he said that the devices work in aircraft, that must have been an aircraft skimming the power lines? at 10,000 feet?  so it was a mountain power line
Even if that is the case it would revolutionize the way we distribute power.


http://cosmic.lbl.gov/SKliewer/Experiment/DataAnal.htm

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 12, 2009, 02:52:49 PM
There are lot of people now,who know the secrets, somebody please give us a clear answer why there is a slightly increase in the inrush of the current. No frequency's, oscillators, nothing, just a simple wire, a DC power source.

Secrets?  There are no secrets!  It's just the interaction of the coils and fields, just electrons in a wire...

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 03:40:38 PM
@GK

I would like to replicate your coil, but I want to make sure I understand your description acurately. 

1: You have 16awg for your control wire/bifilar...so 2 wires connected to eachother via plastic covering?  This is wrapped around a 4 inch mold 2 turns?

2: Your control wires are would the same way? or one layer of bifilar and then another layer on top?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 12, 2009, 04:10:12 PM
What a clear answer.   :) 

I really don't understand you guys. Many of you claim, know how TPU's working, and as I understand SM clearly stated, without that phenomena, there wouldn't be overunity at all, so you guys must know, how and why that happening. Mannix, Otto? anybody?

Though would be better to get answer from somebody who really knows, I can put here my dumb little theory if you wish :-)

Shortly: starting electrical oscillations in circuit produce magnetic oscillation around circuit but somehow magnetic oscillation is not there when current started to flow and only remain the kick.

In fact your question was too wide, we need a lot of more answers for detailed questions.
1. What is the kick and how it is produced ? From what energy ?
2. How to produce two and more kicks from the first one and many more later ?
3. Is that the lot of kick which makes a big kick ? Is that related to current and how ? We all know that so called back EMF is a voltage kick no current - or we are mislead maybe ? if this is only voltage kick how to create current kick from that ?
4. how many methods exists to produce kicks and how to group they ?

and many many more
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 12, 2009, 05:47:46 PM
What a clear answer.   :) 

I really don't understand you guys. Many of you claim, know how TPU's working, and as I understand SM clearly stated, without that phenomena, there wouldn't be overunity at all, so you guys must know, how and why that happening. Mannix, Otto? anybody?

Chef,

I was just being a smart ass, because everyone seems to think that there is some sort of "secret", like "secret frequencies", or "secret coils", etc.

I am curious, if you, Chef, know what occurs when the circuit is first closed.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 12, 2009, 06:21:43 PM
Hello all,

@Chef

all I can say is that I see the signals from the vibration can be a much bigger then the original input signals and thats for me more then enough to continue in my work.

Otto

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 12, 2009, 06:32:07 PM
@Grumpy,
I agree there is no secret.
@Otto,
Posted a vid yet? I want to see.
@all,
It looks like a secret when it is right under our noses all along.

So,
We know we need vibration. Simple distance induction does not perform that.
The sm17 light large loads and even larger when applied with no degradation but increase.
The cross coupled harmonics are the start of the in synch vibration. How else would the start be seen?
The bluish white sparks in SMs vid still say stun gun circuit. This is an integral part. Dimly lit bulbs? I don't care at this point. I have 4 o-scopes that tell me alot of what I need to see at this point. And ther are plenty of people that offer tips and advice. No one is in this alone.

I don't have the p2p yet but this looks like a promising start. And it fits with what we have all been so hard at pursuing.
So what if this fizzles out. I am not telling anybody it can't be done and I don't have to be the only one to get this.
I am just fitting the acquired knowledge and techniques to building and testing. Been at this a while, build cool stuff and learned things way beyond standards. Just like alot of others here. Nothing different. I am just trying to crack this nut.

I have at my disposal antenna engineers, radio engineers, degreed electronics experts, scholars in physics, people that spent time with Bearden, and others deeply embedded in over unity. I am just a listener and experimenting engineer. I have been told numerous times to keep pushing with what I see possible.

Here are the wire specs in pix. Have at it. This is where I spending my day and am here for any info at all of what I am experiencing. Open and honest as always.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 06:44:43 PM
Thank you GK for the close up shots.  I see four ends...so...2 bifilar wires!  It also does look to be 2 turns of collector one low one high...right?

Keep up the good work!

Have you tried to power it up off phased (180)?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 12, 2009, 07:16:50 PM
Only 2 bifilar runs. A bifilar pair for the 4 turn bias/collector and a bifilar pair for the control winding all the way around. That would give 8 ends of wire or 4 pairs total.
You can also see the coil feedback to the gate. If you make 2 rings then connect the #1 feedback to the #2 gate, connect the #2 feedback to the #1 gate. Cross-coupled feedback.

Thank you GK for the close up shots.  I see four ends...so...2 bifilar wires!  It also does look to be 2 turns of collector one low one high...right?

Keep up the good work!

Have you tried to power it up off phased (180)?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 12, 2009, 07:29:04 PM
This circuit does not make vibrations are sparks.

nice graphics GK, if only they were real.   LOL 

I'm telling you guys, I know the secret ! but apparently it's falling on death ears.

I just don't have the time right now to do a proper design that's impedance matched, otherwise I'll be lighting up 100 watt bulbs.  It's not rocket science you know!   Just add a regulator to the output and I will get stable power to show you, but other priorities are here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0UE-84NEI

EM

P.S.  This is what I believe a TPU schematic is or should be, and what I will try and build when I have the time.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 07:30:44 PM
Thank you GK!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 12, 2009, 07:47:41 PM
A little better diagram with same color coding as before.

I will test the 180 degree shift.

Thank you GK!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 12, 2009, 08:04:57 PM
What a load of bullshit .

Noobs cant touch the TPU , its an alien device I tell you !

Only the best and smartest RF engineers can touch it , but they are too busy with the real world working and making $ .
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 08:08:08 PM
Once again, thank you for the pic and infos  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 12, 2009, 08:10:36 PM
Welcome aboard!
Tis better to let your hands get dirty than your mouth.
Hands do the work of the mind. The mouth does the work of the heart...

What a load of bullshit .

Noobs cant touch the TPU , its an alien device I tell you !

Only the best and smartest RF engineers can touch it , but they are too busy with the real world working and making $ .
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 08:11:14 PM
What a load of bullshit .

Noobs cant touch the TPU , its an alien device I tell you !

Only the best and smartest RF engineers can touch it , but they are too busy with the real world working and making $ .

If you don't like the topic then why are you wasting your time in it, writing comments that no one cares about?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 12, 2009, 08:13:33 PM
If I would know the clear answer, I will not ask here. I can give you an answer, which I can't prove right now, but I am working on it. That's why I ask peoples what they think, who claim they know how it works, because that must be the key, what must be understood, to make any power. It's simple math, when you put it 1 in ideal case you got out 1. In this case SM claimed, he got more than 1 out,so somewhere in the process somehow the part of the equation increased. He says the current, not the voltage.

Well, there are many ways to look at it.  One is "inrush current".

When the circuit is first connected to the power source, none of the capacitors or inductors are energized.  Therefore the resistance of the circuit is very low, so a huge current can flow until the circuit reaches it's normal operating parameters.

This is pretty vague and doesn't help.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 12, 2009, 08:21:30 PM
A little better diagram with same color coding as before.

I will test the 180 degree shift.

Thanks giantkiller

Long time ago I saw something around 200hz in my experiment with car coil.Seems that SM didn't lied about "squeezing hose"  effect -   I think that's the way to convert voltage spikes into current ones...
I will try to find a smaller replica to work with lower voltage.



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 12, 2009, 08:24:31 PM
If you don't like the topic then why are you wasting your time in it, writing comments that no one cares about?

I am just tired of all you goodie too shoes . The TPU is dead now , it was all elaborate hype job .

You should do yourself a favor and stop reading this crap , go do something useful instead ... Make a garden or something ...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 12, 2009, 08:26:52 PM
Well, there are many ways to look at it.  One is "inrush current".

When the circuit is first connected to the power source, none of the capacitors or inductors are energized.  Therefore the resistance of the circuit is very low, so a huge current can flow until the circuit reaches it's normal operating parameters.

This is pretty vague and doesn't help.

This is not true. Capacitors are energized.Especially if you have a single switch on ground. I saw very bright spark in 12V circuit when turned on and I guess it was due to switch placed on ground - negative wire while positive was all the time connected to circuit.However it could be other case for that. It's funny how the more you make mistakes the strange effects you see in circuits! ; of course except circuit that do not work at all :)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 12, 2009, 08:35:52 PM
@forest,
The KUNEL patent show this also.
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljY-YfFaPc&feature=related
250 turns of #30 wire plugged straight into U.S. grid outlet.

Now Dankie?
Do you know why this one did not work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSUzC9xl6s&NR=1
and why this one did?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2uIXQu0Ji8&feature=response_watch

A simple answer will do from any simple mind.

Thanks giantkiller

Long time ago I saw something around 200hz in my experiment with car coil.Seems that SM didn't lied about "squeezing hose"  effect -   I think that's the way to convert voltage spikes into current ones...
I will try to find a smaller replica to work with lower voltage.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 12, 2009, 08:40:57 PM
This is not true. Capacitors are energized.Especially if you have a single switch on ground. I saw very bright spark in 12V circuit when turned on and I guess it was due to switch placed on ground - negative wire while positive was all the time connected to circuit.However it could be other case for that. It's funny how the more you make mistakes the strange effects you see in circuits! ; of course except circuit that do not work at all :)

Most certainly is true.  The capacitor did not charge itself.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 12, 2009, 08:45:45 PM
I am just tired of all you goodie too shoes . The TPU is dead now , it was all elaborate hype job .

You should do yourself a favor and stop reading this crap , go do something useful instead ... Make a garden or something ...

it's 'goody two shoes'...
do yourself a favor and learn the difference between to, too and two. you look like a dumbass when you make such elementary school errors in which words you choose. while you're at it learn the difference between their and there, weather and whether, your and you're, etc.

do you really think anyone takes you seriously when you can't even use the correct words?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 10:52:12 PM
@all
step one for the GK set up!!! 

My version anyways....GK please correct me if I'm wrong  ;)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 12, 2009, 11:07:13 PM
@Mannix
Quote
So when he said that the devices work in aircraft, that must have been an aircraft skimming the power lines? at 10,000 feet?

Surely you don't believe this nonsense, that he took the device up in an airplane and tested it.  Have fun getting that past security.  Just like the 100 patents he has, it's all bull.  All his videos were shot at the MANSION, within 40 feet of the highest current carrying HV power lines that California has.


Hello, is anybody listening?

EM

P.S.  Oh, by the way,  I already made cores sing and vibrate years ago.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 11:13:22 PM
EM

you could easily be right but I would like to see your energy grabbing set up???
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 11:49:33 PM
@all

GK step 2

So on this set up I used lamp cable 2 turns bifiliar for the collector coil...
Bifiliar solid 18awg for the control coils...

JT folks keep watch of this our skills will soon come in to play on the TPU   ;)






Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 12, 2009, 11:52:11 PM
GK

Can you give us some close up shots of what you are hooking things up too???
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 13, 2009, 12:05:23 AM
@Mannix
Surely you don't believe this nonsense, that he took the device up in an airplane and tested it.  Have fun getting that past security.  Just like the 100 patents he has, it's all bull.  All his videos were shot at the MANSION, within 40 feet of the highest current carrying HV power lines that California has.


Hello, is anybody listening?

EM

P.S.  Oh, by the way,  I already made cores sing and vibrate years ago.

Could have been a private plane.

No one is listening.

Do you still have that little Tesla Coil you made a long time ago?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 13, 2009, 12:12:35 AM
And some tape to help stiffen the support!!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 13, 2009, 12:15:11 AM
@dankest

I can be at 10,000 feet without security ..it will take me 20 minutes
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 13, 2009, 12:25:43 AM
I really don't know why he is here M! He must be misinformation and deterrence....Grumpy he/this is a troll?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 13, 2009, 01:59:29 AM
The man is right that the technology is Alien .. but it wont be if we keep up our efforts for long enough and learn what we need to know by doing and sharing with each other ..now ther's an alien concept !  Look up the word alien  you will se what i mean

I just wish the barking dog would apply himself to the challenge rather than yapping at those who are prepared to have give this their best shot...sit back and have another go.

I wonder how it works for Him...I know we've taken the Bait!!!...no more from me , in response to this yapping puppy dog.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 13, 2009, 03:36:58 AM
A disinfo ? Deterrence ?

From what lol ? You imagining things ?

Theres alot of other more exciting , more proven stuff out there than this STUPID TPU .

The new sec exciter ... GEET ... HHO... I never troll on those ...I troll only on this TPU .

I know a dead end and a huge quest when I see one . You need to able to dose your skills vs the task @ hand ...

This is WAY beyond what anybody here can understand ...ARE YOU FRIKKIN KIDDING ME WITH THESE LITTLE DRAWINGS AND THESE TELEPHONE WRAPPED TPU'S IN AN HOUR OR TWO ... ??? ...

If you are a genius mathematician and know the secret of life and an engineer with huge electrical skills an innate creativity and intuition then do not mind me ...

NO SERIOUSLY ... GET REAL WITH YOURSELVES ...



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 13, 2009, 03:58:36 AM
@Dankie,
You failed the test 'for a simple mind'!
I posed a simple question.
The answer to my riddle was the gearhead changed the diameter. He made it larger thinking bigger is better. Vrooooom! Typical...

@forest,
The KUNEL patent show this also.
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljY-YfFaPc&feature=related
250 turns of #30 wire plugged straight into U.S. grid outlet.

Now Dankie?
Do you know why this one did not work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSSUzC9xl6s&NR=1
and why this one did?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2uIXQu0Ji8&feature=response_watch

A simple answer will do from any simple mind.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 13, 2009, 03:59:55 AM
I see only 3 turns. I have 4. Be prepared for different operation.

@all
step one for the GK set up!!! 

My version anyways....GK please correct me if I'm wrong  ;)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 13, 2009, 04:23:10 AM
Behold some REAL , PROVEN technology , cant say as much about the TPU ...

Simple mind rofl?? YOU working on something that dont even exist lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlrxueyulPc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo7CVFI5Sk

http://xogen.ca/
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 13, 2009, 04:55:13 AM
Then why bother us?
Are you not content with your other involvement? Do you have a more important part to play elsewhere?
Why troll around a fantasy then?
My position here is not based on success or failure.
I am merely interested in finding this technology and I must forge my own way.
I have been graciously accepted and trained or guided into this fold because I wish to learn and I wish others to learn too.
So you have learned of this other technology that you post. Is not fulfilling? Are you not included in the outcome? What part or investment do you hold based upon the other technology that you have found?
How much have you invested? Money, time, equipment? Truly what is your expenditure? What will you gain? Are you not busy enough with your own ventures? Does tagging other people satisfy some innate primal violent tendency within you? Are you not at peace with yourself and others? Desiderata speaks volumes about noise makers like you. Don't waste the time, air or energy belittling others. It only reflects bad on you. Be very careful what image you hold up to the universe. It surely does give back what one puts in. And your display does not bode well my friend. My interest in you is 'What Jesus would do.' It is obvious you do not know him. Try. Go in peace.
I started this involvement looking into the GEET device. I stopped with I found Pantone in prison for fraud and Malove was killed.
I was sent this by Carmen Miller, Bill Muller's daughter. If you want a real problem then ponder this:
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/9/Shift-Happens-368108.html (http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/9/Shift-Happens-368108.html)
Where will you, Dankie, be?

Behold some REAL , PROVEN technology , cant say as much about the TPU ...

Simple mind rofl?? YOU working on something that dont even exist lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlrxueyulPc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo7CVFI5Sk

http://xogen.ca/
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 13, 2009, 09:06:35 AM
Could have been a private plane.

No one is listening.

Do you still have that little Tesla Coil you made a long time ago?

@forest , @EM try this :

Tesla emitter & Atmospheric Energy

not during storm!!!


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 13, 2009, 11:24:18 AM
@forest , @EM try this :

Tesla emitter & Atmospheric Energy

not during storm!!!

@wings,
This looks a fascinating document. Sadly it seems to have lost a lot in translation. Do you have the original version?

Thanks
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 13, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
@wings,
This looks a fascinating document. Sadly it seems to have lost a lot in translation. Do you have the original version?

Thanks

http://ntpo.com/invention/invention2/48.shtml
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 13, 2009, 02:40:39 PM
I see only 3 turns. I have 4. Be prepared for different operation.

It's actually only 2 full turns.  When you said 4 I thought you meant 4 for both coils not 4 on 1 coil!  Your coils don't look to me to be 4 turns high! are you overlapping on 2 turns?.....so 2 turns and then 2 more on top of the first 2?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 13, 2009, 02:40:41 PM
Just a quick update,
Otto, is trying to establish why his circuit behaves like it does.
It is not obvious , but something to do with the stray capacitance in his circuit  that is interacting with the generated field in a way that nobody is sure how  ....yet
It is not stable or totally predictable for him and just outside our knowledge.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 13, 2009, 05:24:20 PM
@stprue,
2 turns high and 2 turns deep. Apologies if I or the picture weren't clear.

@Mannix,
I agree with the stray capacitance. In Otto's case and mine there is a delicate absorbtion going on. Attentive to the noise.

@All, I have a bug in my circuit and a mistake in the drawing. Many, many apologies! There needs to be a diode in the feedback connection between collector and the gate. This place I want to add like a micro sparkgap similar to the internals of a stun gun.
The circuit I have is some what similar to the feedback in the stun gun schematic.
I am thinking of removing the collector out of the conduction path and using it strictly as an inductor. This would also isolate the short.

The short in the circuit blew my 555 box and JDO300 controller buffer driver chip. Argh! Got to repair tonight.

It's actually only 2 full turns.  When you said 4 I thought you meant 4 for both coils not 4 on 1 coil!  Your coils don't look to me to be 4 turns high! are you overlapping on 2 turns?.....so 2 turns and then 2 more on top of the first 2?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 13, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
Been around a long time...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 14, 2009, 02:48:16 AM
This thread has gone off on a tangent...

If the TPU received anything from power lines, why would the Atomic Energy Commission have any interest in it?  Why would a company buy the rights to it?  Simple.  Power lines have nothing to do with it.

=======================================

What is the suspected mode of operation for the current surge of builds modeled after Otto's work?  I see the zip cord over some core wires.  Are you exciting the zip cord in bifilar cancelling mode or running a pulse down each wire in opposite directions.  If something else, I don't want to know about it.  If you are just throwing a bunch of stuff together and hope to get lucky, good luck with that.

As for vibration, you might ask yourself what "vibration" really is, what it might indicate, and what causes it.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 14, 2009, 04:14:15 AM
Here is the corrected model.
And the version that matches the stun gun feedback.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 14, 2009, 06:00:38 AM
@EM

Yes, your ring looks very promising and I still have mine and I only hope your are totally right that it could be so simple. It could actually be used to do away with the starter battery. That would in itself be a major coup so please let us know more. Please stop being so frustrated with us. You know we have to investigate all angles. What your video showed is major major major. I would like to know if you wound a control coil around that loop will the ring still work as it does. Also, if you put a small load across the newly wound coil, will the ring again do what it does. Also will a tighter control coil wind kill the ring effect, making it essential that the control coil be wound over with good open spaces in between each wind, like the FTPU. Hmmmmmmmmm Thanks for the video.

@GK

In your diagram, what would happen if you put a diode between the D and S of the IRF840 (love them buggers), pointing towards the source for return flyback.

Also, I don't think the control coils (CC) should be in series with the collector ring(s) (CR).

Maybe do one test.

On the S of the IRF840, connect any coil of high inductance (CHI) (could be a toriod transformers secondary wind). You have two rings so connect them in parallel but one side of one ring to the other side of the other ring and same for the two other wires. You will have then two wires for the rings. One the other end of the CHI connect one end of the rings and send the other end of the rings to ground. Connect your CC in parallel and connect to a bulb. Now pulse the CHI/CR and see what the bulb does.

@Mannix

We'd need to know some more about what @otto is seeing.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: kooler on October 14, 2009, 06:44:19 AM
howdy
has anyone here tried discharging a cap thru a coil of bifillar wire ...

atleast 6 or more hz...
and bridge your second wire to a small cap to read a voltage

just wondering...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 14, 2009, 07:01:07 AM
Hello all,

Im sorry that I cant answer to your PMs. They dont work. I hope under my profile is now my internet adress so you can use it.

I can only hope that I can this week make a video to show you what I see.

Yesterday I have finnished 1 oscillator that gives the needed vibrations. Today I hope to finnish the 2. oscillator. With this 2 oscillators I can have a lot of fun and burn them again.

The problem is that when I hit the exact same frequencies I see the current and voltage from the power supply rising until something is blown.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 14, 2009, 07:28:30 AM
Hello all,

Im sorry that I cant answer to your PMs. They dont work. I hope under my profile is now my internet adress so you can use it.

I can only hope that I can this week make a video to show you what I see.

Yesterday I have finnished 1 oscillator that gives the needed vibrations. Today I hope to finnish the 2. oscillator. With this 2 oscillators I can have a lot of fun and burn them again.

The problem is that when I hit the exact same frequencies I see the current and voltage from the power supply rising until something is blown.

Otto

Power supply ? I thought you are using battery ! And I think oscillator should have some protection method to do not let spread that vibration on it. Maybe small circuit powered by separated small  9V battery ?


Everybody : try to use transil across S and D of mosfet. They are wonderful spark gaps
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 14, 2009, 07:41:36 AM
Hello all,

@forest

it doesnt matter, battery or power supply.

The vibration is the same but with the power supply are the signals a little bit more rounded to say so. The best voltage from the power supply is between 9 and 12V.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 14, 2009, 01:36:47 PM
Hello all

@Chef

from 0Hz to 500kHz I see nice and clean signals. No hash, nothing. Like with tubes but made with SS.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Malaki on October 14, 2009, 02:23:12 PM
Otto, thanks for all your posts and ideas.
Just i quick question for some one who has just joined the forum and not had alot of time going through all the threads...
Is there one location on these forums where the plans / blue prints for the Steven Mark SSG can be found?

My brother and I have started designing and building one, but i would like to have ideas and plans from people who have already done the things we are about to tempt

Any help would be sweet, thanks.

Malaki
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: IceStorm on October 14, 2009, 02:30:11 PM
Otto, thanks for all your posts and ideas.
Just i quick question for some one who has just joined the forum and not had alot of time going through all the threads...
Is there one location on these forums where the plans / blue prints for the Steven Mark SSG can be found?

My brother and I have started designing and building one, but i would like to have ideas and plans from people who have already done the things we are about to tempt

Any help would be sweet, thanks.

Malaki

Ill save you some time, no one EVER replicated the tpu, so try with your own theory and build around that.

Best Regards,
IceStorm
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Malaki on October 14, 2009, 02:38:33 PM
@IceStrom, thanks for the reply. i will spend the next few hours reading all the threads and try gain as much knowledge as i can, ill post pictures and blue prints of my design etc when its finished...

Thanks again.
Malaki
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Yucca on October 14, 2009, 04:07:20 PM
SM Said:
Quote
It is obvious that most of the people reading the web site and
experimenting know nothing about reading a scope and understanding
what perfect frequency is.

When discussing signal analysis, perfect frequency is perfect sinus. Any waveshape other than sinus contains other frequency sinus components (mixed with the fundamental) and so can not be considered pure (or perfect) frequency.

That is my understanding of the words SM used, although it may not have been what SM was trying to say, perhaps he meant to say that the pulse period and width needed to be absolutely solid with no jitter, to achieve perfect timing.



Being an audio electronics researcher SM probably used these 3 tools for analysis:

[1]
pure white noise injection containing ALL frequencies at equal amplitude within the bandwidth of interest (probably 0...100kHz) Then monitor output for spectral flatness using speccy analyser.

[2]
impulse response of sub systems, stanadard electronic analysis tool, hit a system with an impulse with a rise time as fast as possible. Then watch how intermediate and output stages react using a scope. We all know you hit a real world circuit with an impulse and it will ring, thus revealing resonance points. Interestingly the theoretically "perfect" impulse contains all frequencies DC to light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_response

[3]
Checking linearity and phase of stages using a reference oscillator (pure sin) and then observing input/output with a scope in X/Y mode.

edit:
One more thought I have had is that perhaps in his Spherics technology he may have tried employing dual coil speakers and mixing the correction signals with the original signals within the speaker itself (magnetic mixing), by mixing at the last possible stage he would minimise the noise floor. Perhaps in this configuration he noticed energetic "sprogs" (unwanted spectral peaks) that exceeded his sum input power?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 14, 2009, 04:59:14 PM
The IRF840 has an internal Zener diode.
Look it up and it showed up here:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/images/irf840.gif&imgrefurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/index.htm&h=566&w=654&sz=28&tbnid=eWwNpMKYbPXbpM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=138&prev=/images%3Fq%3DIRF840&usg=__b0F1URwuW_k-fpdjyN7UZViq6xQ=&ei=juLVStqHGojwMaaTrJQD&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&ved=0CBgQ9QEwAw (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/images/irf840.gif&imgrefurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/spgen/index.htm&h=566&w=654&sz=28&tbnid=eWwNpMKYbPXbpM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=138&prev=/images%3Fq%3DIRF840&usg=__b0F1URwuW_k-fpdjyN7UZViq6xQ=&ei=juLVStqHGojwMaaTrJQD&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&ved=0CBgQ9QEwAw)

Yes I can add another diode facing the opposite way than the internal one.
Your description of rewiring sounds very much like the ECD. Or Tesla's bifilar pancake coil. Pulse goes in from the outside to the inside then back out only to input again. This time into a previously established field.
The BEMF from the feedback burns the pulse drivers.
@GK

In your diagram, what would happen if you put a diode between the D and S of the IRF840 (love them buggers), pointing towards the source for return flyback.

Also, I don't think the control coils (CC) should be in series with the collector ring(s) (CR).

Maybe do one test.

On the S of the IRF840, connect any coil of high inductance (CHI) (could be a toriod transformers secondary wind). You have two rings so connect them in parallel but one side of one ring to the other side of the other ring and same for the two other wires. You will have then two wires for the rings. On the other end of the CHI connect one end of the rings and send the other end of the rings to ground. Connect your CC in parallel and connect to a bulb. Now pulse the CHI/CR and see what the bulb does.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 14, 2009, 05:10:40 PM
see the zener diode in the image at bottom of this page:

http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transistor/tran_7.html
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 14, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
Maybe the solution is to eliminate mosfet althogether for creating effect and use it only periodically to recreate the effect again after "slowdown of effect" !
From my limited knowledge I would say that internal diode is put into mosfet to eliminate any usage of creating vibration !

Tesla noted that frequency is immaterial and the effect can be produced slow or fast.
My idea : put much faster diode across mosfet then internal one then switch mosfet just slowly (< 1khz) . MOSFET cannot be a source of this effect !

The effect occur when you do "something" at the peak of impulse. For mosfet it's the falling slope of signal and mosfet really cannot do anything at that moment.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 14, 2009, 09:36:50 PM
@Yucca,
In regards to your audio post.
After I saw the sparks demo by SM, imagine my surprise when he mentioned 5khz and my measure of the same frequency in a stun gun? What if that is another way of saying 'Look at this other example!'. I have seen the parallels of his speech before.

At that point I thought to myself 'What if he is adding more than there really is?' You know, to obfuscate to keep the technology under some guise of control for what ever reason.
I have hung onto that logic this whole time and it has never failed me in my pursuits. Mainly because I would not be led in too many directions or inferences.

And now that the addition of feedback is status quo the XL controls the tuning of the coil. The dynamic inductance shows up in the ramp up and the bouncing of the harmonics kept in check by the coil specs. It is all mobiused so beautifully. The incoming fluctionations on the gate cause a stream of frequencies in the coil's field. The tuned ones rock the coil and the untuned die out as current. Just like a tank circuit.

So we pump high speed shocks into the coil. As the force/energy settles down it diffuses into the copper of the coils and then we see things as electronics portrays them. Then different frequencies respond to the dynamics of the coils. Some tuned in, some tuned out. The static windings control it all. The supporting circuitry enhances both sets of energy, tuned and untuned. Since the windings are static the rest of the circuitry can remain simple.

The high rise times cause the magnetic field build far away from the copper. This distance is an area we are looking at. Because as that field is there we are impinging upon it again with other harmonics. Very much like the field play in Tesla's bifilar pancake. A field within a field or cannonballs.

Once again I stress this one point. This whole adventure is based on one man's demos. Anybody with electronics knowledge drools over what they see. I saw sparks, he and witnesses stressed vibrations. These are irrefutable, conclusive facts. My contention with other explanations is 'Nobody is pursuing these 2 facts together'. We got talk and maybe some vibrations but where are the sparks? And why are they there? The color is the same as a stun gun's sparks.

This all boils down to 'The copper is getting hit faster than it can conduct.' The faster you hit the coil the more effect you get.

This is the same as the micro spark gap in the stun gun internals. We charge up a gap, get a high speed discharge into another tank. Then we short the tank to get output. The steel in the end of the gun or the last stage holds the field longer so we can hit it again. But the TPU has copper in its last stage...

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Yucca on October 14, 2009, 09:44:52 PM
Yes, most all FETs have a very fast internal avalanche diode to prevent excess source-gate potentials developing and thus ruining the junction.

I thought for a long time that these internal diodes hindered OU research and actually set about trying to blow that diode without damaging the switch junction. I was unsuccesful in those efforts and ruined 4 FETs.

But what I have discovered since is one way to bypass that internal diode without slowing the switch down noticeably. Taking advantage of it being an avalanche device, simply use another avalalanche diode (source to drain) with lower passing voltage outside of the FET package, the leads much be kept short if you select a passing voltage only slightly lower than the internal diode. This diode can pump a collection cap or energize another coil allowing full harvesting of BEMF.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Yucca on October 14, 2009, 10:08:13 PM
@GK,

I agree we dont know what is obfuscation in SMs revelations. I have also thought about HV E fields interacting with mag fields. Perhaps his devices did contain a small buck converter like a CFL driver to mantain a strong Efield (with 5kHz ish ripples on it).

The video sparks do look like they are HF HV, like they have brief interoscillation instants when potentials are very high. This is reinforced by the fact that he has to strike the wires to make a spark (because the bulk of the power is low voltage) but he seems to be able to draw quite an arc once he has the plasma path established, longer than one would think for a few hundred volts. So the output voltage is probably on average 100s of volts but if viewed on a fast scope it might contain much higher transients. To use the OP properly fast big caps would be needed to absorb all the energy before running big slow loads like big coils etc. Light bulbs would work OK because they can sink quite high freqs being only tiny coils.

a Few nights ago I rigged my HV supply to create a 1...2kV potential across a top and bottom collector loops. The potential was slowly bleeding through resistors and neon so I could eyeball voltage. I was careful to have a safety spark gap on the HV OP set to much lower than the dielectric breakdown of my coil insulation which I'd already clocked at around 6kV, If that breaks down any equipment hooked up gets zapped! My gap breaks down at 2kV so I had a good safety margin also I was using x100 probes on the scope.

Then I fired control coils in different combos (cross coupled, bifilar shorted end, and parallel) at different freqs. I was thinking I could cause some avalanche (without arc) between collectors that might suck in something from ambient and perhaps I would see the neon brighten or dim without HV supply drawing different. I havent seen that yet, but i've only spent a couple of hours on this.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 15, 2009, 02:05:28 AM
Wow lots of good points to consider. Obfuscation is always in the back of our minds for sure. Either way we will find out eventually.

@GK

Let me tell you the idea behind what I am talking about regarding that test that is the one that blew my Pulse Generator. lol

In all our coils there is a north and a south polarity. If you wind enough turns, you will create these poles. Even your ring, if it has enough turns it will have both poles.

The idea behind using a coil of high inductance (CHI) connected to a ring of around 2 1/4 turns (number of turns in the FTPU rings) is that the ring will not have enough turns to create its own north and south poles. You take the positive of the power supply and connect it through the IRF840 to one side of the CHI and give it the positive pulse so the pulse leaving the CHI will be negative going to the ring. The ring does not have enough turns to become its own coil so it takes the negative from the coil and the other side of the ring is then also connected to the negative of the power supply. THE RING STARTS AND STOPS NEGATIVE so it only has one polarity. Now imagine you have a control coil wound all around that ring that is pulsing all negative. Basically what you created is a great imbalance in potentials. Also, the ring then has another special property. It does not have a blotch wall because the blotch wall is inside the CHI. If the ring had both polarities, it would also have to have a blotch wall, but this way, it does not. lol

Anyways, I am not EE savvy enough to give the right explanation but just imagine the ring has a north polarity, and you are located on the Earth hemisphere having a predominant south ambient polarity, since no one can be in both polarities at the same time on Earth, or even in space from interstellar fields, you will only be exposed to one polarity. So the control coil (CC) in this case is actually the collector or the juice maker. You pulse the ring negative while the ring is inside the CC, that pulse will move outwards through the CC and attract the south ambient field around you. Ether or whatever you want to call it can only be attracted through an imbalance, since ether is there to maintain a balance between all matter.

Now lets say there was only so much ether available physically around you. But ether is everywhere. It is in the space you were just in, are in and will be in in the next second since you are moving through it at 67kmph, every second of every day. And so is your TPU. lol

If you pulse a ring that has both polarities, the north will attract the south ambient field but the south will repel it so half your juice is used to attract and the other half is used to repel, hence neutral gain. I think this is why we are not winning this battle for free energy. We need to work with an imbalance in potentials and learn to capitalize on the ambient field around us.

A thunder cloud will strike the Earth but only 2/3rds of the way since the bolt actually also comes up out of the ground to meet it. The cloud made an imbalance and the Ether came to fill it up. I am not saying make so big but the imbalance principle is what we need to work out in this and then trust the Ether to meet it half way. Imagine if such a level of trust was a given fact, a normal fact of life, lay out the design and let the ether work with the imbalance. Clouds have been doing it since forever. 

For the CHI I used only half of a toroidal coil so the flux in the toroid core could turn in the core and return to the same coil thus increasing the imbalance on the ring. So imagine if you have two coils on the toroid as two CHIs and two rings with CC around them,. Sound familiar?????????

Now this could be totally off the mark in the way a TPU works, but it is an avenue I have been investigating recently by cutting lengths off rings and checking with a compass without pulsing but just applying a steady dc voltage to the CHI and ring. Guys really have to think out of the box and not rely on the conventional notions of EE. For me it is easy cause I don't have those conventional notions and my livelihood is not dependent on convincing others of this or that cannot be.

I think this is what was happening with @ottos ECD since it had CCs joined to rings and the rings did not have many turns. When his bulb lit super bright, that power was not coming from his power supply. It just appeared through thin air. How come?????????

Anyways, I have rambled long enough so I'll stop here.
Stay tuned for more FTPU discoveries.

Maybe one question. Is there a mosfet available that works in reverse of the IRF840. If the 840 will close when pulsed and open when the pulse is off. Is there a mosfet that opens when pulsed and closes when the pulse is off. If so, you can have one of each on the same line. The 840 pulses and the other diverts the flyback to the toroid, or, the CC.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 15, 2009, 04:04:47 AM
If you did not insist on using so damn much current in the first place, then the  spike from the inductive collapse wouldn't be a problem.

Unless you are slamming magnetic fields together N to N or S to S - you don't need much current.

EDIT:

Of course, if you used a coil with very high inductance and the flyback effect to "excite" coils, then you might be on to something.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 15, 2009, 04:24:07 AM
 @wattsup up Excellent food for thought there , thank you for sharing


An electron tube is normally on and needs to be held off by a bias resisitor from cathode to grid so that it can then  be "allowed" to turn on by releasing the grid from its influence from the cathode , exactly the opposite of a fet ...Perhaps the point of difference that is important and, perhaps the context where the speed is signigicant .


Tubes also suffer from "magnetic inteference" and perhaps is what can be used to advantage.

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 17, 2009, 06:06:54 AM
Hi all,

This may be off topic ..but I do break out in song at times!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=345

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 17, 2009, 10:45:29 AM
Yes, most all FETs have a very fast internal avalanche diode to prevent excess source-gate potentials developing and thus ruining the junction.

I thought for a long time that these internal diodes hindered OU research and actually set about trying to blow that diode without damaging the switch junction. I was unsuccesful in those efforts and ruined 4 FETs.

But what I have discovered since is one way to bypass that internal diode without slowing the switch down noticeably. Taking advantage of it being an avalanche device, simply use another avalalanche diode (source to drain) with lower passing voltage outside of the FET package, the leads much be kept short if you select a passing voltage only slightly lower than the internal diode. This diode can pump a collection cap or energize another coil allowing full harvesting of BEMF.


Yes, this is what I used. Except accidentally I used bi-directional transient voltage suppression diode 1.5KE300CA .
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 17, 2009, 05:21:51 PM
part 1 of 2
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 17, 2009, 05:22:40 PM
part 1 of 2
part 2 of 2
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 17, 2009, 10:58:59 PM
@GK

Here is my current set-up but no results with this one...it's probably the fact that I don't have the 2 turns up and 2 turns deep.  My driving circuit is ~530hz and the MOSFET I'm using is a IRF510A, the diodes are 1N4007...maybe too high??? Tomorrow I will make a new coil like yours but do you have any suggestions?

Thanks...Stew
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on October 18, 2009, 02:38:53 AM
@wings

    Nice link.   What I found most interesting is that the torroidal magnetic field is concentrated as sheaths along the inside and outside of the solenoidal winding.  The magnetic field lines inside and on the surface of the torroid are disconnected from the ambient magnetic field.  There are no poles yet there is a magnetic irregularity to the field the torroid resides in.  This space is unique and creates an energy density relativity to the rest of the ambient field.  It is just not displacing or bending the amf it has it's own thing going on.  The second ordering of the ambient magnetic field or propogated magnetic field is what one would expect from a ring current or coil but may be serveral orders of magnitude greater than what could be generated with just a loop current.  (SM refers to a very large generated magnetic field also)  The energy density inside the torroid is insulated by the magnetic sheaths.  This same phenomenon occurs in the near field of a Tesla coil driven at resonance.  The Tesla coil creates an insulated energy density field by creating standing waves within the confines of the resonant circuit.  The circuit itself is not lumped components but incorporates the capacitance and inductance needed to reach resonance in the field of the coils themselves.  Not unlike a piece of coax driven so as to maximize reflection of the signal and minimize radiation or a spherical standing wave field we call an atom.  Somehow nature knows how much potential to radiate emwave energy there is and where it is and conveys this information without any velocity limits.  I believe we call standing waves mass/energy nowadays and the information gravity.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 18, 2009, 04:17:08 AM
It would be easier to support what is instructed. Otherwise the operating parameters are totally different.

@GK

Here is my current set-up but no results with this one...it's probably the fact that I don't have the 2 turns up and 2 turns deep.  My driving circuit is ~530hz and the MOSFET I'm using is a IRF510A, the diodes are 1N4007...maybe too high??? Tomorrow I will make a new coil like yours but do you have any suggestions?

Thanks...Stew
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 18, 2009, 07:23:58 AM
@wings

    Nice link.   What I found most interesting is that the torroidal magnetic field is concentrated as sheaths along the inside and outside of the solenoidal winding.  The magnetic field lines inside and on the surface of the torroid are disconnected from the ambient magnetic field.  There are no poles yet there is a magnetic irregularity to the field the torroid resides in.  This space is unique and creates an energy density relativity to the rest of the ambient field.  It is just not displacing or bending the amf it has it's own thing going on.  The second ordering of the ambient magnetic field or propogated magnetic field is what one would expect from a ring current or coil but may be serveral orders of magnitude greater than what could be generated with just a loop current.  (SM refers to a very large generated magnetic field also)  The energy density inside the torroid is insulated by the magnetic sheaths.  This same phenomenon occurs in the near field of a Tesla coil driven at resonance.  The Tesla coil creates an insulated energy density field by creating standing waves within the confines of the resonant circuit.  The circuit itself is not lumped components but incorporates the capacitance and inductance needed to reach resonance in the field of the coils themselves.  Not unlike a piece of coax driven so as to maximize reflection of the signal and minimize radiation or a spherical standing wave field we call an atom.  Somehow nature knows how much potential to radiate emwave energy there is and where it is and conveys this information without any velocity limits.  I believe we call standing waves mass/energy nowadays and the information gravity.

I miss this part of the file sorry

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 18, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
It would be easier to support what is instructed. Otherwise the operating parameters are totally different.

Can you PM me more specifics on what is supported!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 18, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
This is a 3 layer....3 high and 2 deep!  Is this how your double is wound?  Notice the front in how I overlapped, is this correct?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on October 18, 2009, 10:40:33 PM
  A coil of high self inductance induces voltage in the next turn each turn acting as a transformer primary and secondary.
The voltage through the coil is impeded but not the magnetic induction from turn to turn.  There is created a magnetic field compression that moves from turn to turn.  Tesla would wrap a two turn primary around the midsection of his transformers.  Induction into the secondary would occur on a one to one ratio in the portion of the secondary influenced by the primary winding.  The induced highvoltage due to the rapid change in the core of the input winding would totally impede normal current through the primary winding.  But the rapid change of the magnetic field compression around the central secondary turns would result in a moving magnetic field compression as induction occured in opposing directions from turn to turn in the secondary.  As the moving magnetic field compression reaches the termination coils it begins to back induce.  Or echo the input event.   For each input pulse a great number of magnetic field compression reflections occur.  The magnetic field compression running to the end of the transformer and then returning to the center.  By changing the geometry of the secondary he could vary the induced voltage from turn to turn to either magnify or focus the input event.  SM seems to move the magnetic compression around in a circle.  Perhaps there is the collector winding which gets squeezed at a frequency determined by the time it takes for the winding of highself induction to induce the squeeze around the torroid.  This would of course require a third winding as an input winding.  This winding acts as the input winding on a Tesla transformer.  Then there is the winding of high selfinduction and then the collector winding inside the core.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 19, 2009, 03:08:34 PM
@All

OK, I'll put this here to give you brainstorming guys some more meat on the plate. Well at least a few ribs. lol

As you know I have been concentrating lately on the FTPU, design, components, etc. I also took a census of the FTPU video and took down the frame numbers at which a voltage reading change occurs during the demo. Also, I got my son to purchase that manual of SM's Meter which is a Micronta Model 22-175 sold by Radio Shack in the early 90s.

Using my VirtualDubMod program, my SM video named VTS_01_2.VOB has a total of 28515 frames. The FTPU portion of the video starts at frame 1611 to end at frame 9309.

While I do not have the manual in hand yet, I can at least confirm that during the whole FTPU demo, SM never touched the Volts/Amps button (3rd row 2nd button) of his meter, so we can at least say that all readings were Volts. He basically played with the voltage range button. When the meter shows a number 3, I am confident to say it is simply because the meter is out of range, so he chooses a range that would give that reading on purpose so as not to show the total voltage rise on the demo. He never showed in any of his videos a total voltage reading progression and always connected the meter probes way after he actually started the devices. Smart guy. But the FTPU demo does give use some insight and I think I have a good understanding now of the devices power levels which I will summarize further down.

The following are the main events in the FTPU video along with the frame number and any voltage value seen on the voltage meter. So each time the voltage changed on the meter, it should be listed herein. lol What a pastime. Sleuthing the TPUs.

3063 SM places the volt meter on the pacl of VCRs in that Stereo warehouse. He pushes the power on button.
4940 SM Makes the meter connections to the FTPU output wires, left one comes from the top and bottom disk control coil and is then both going to the negative probe of the meter. The right output wire is the positive going to the top disk. Meter reads 3.
4972 Meter changes to 33.56 as he continues to make the positive connection.
5010 Meter reads 33.45
5046 Meter reads 33.37
5096 Meter reads -004
5120 Meter reads -005
5165 Meter reads -051 His hands leave the FTPU output and go to the meter.
5205 Meter reads 67.9
5230 Meter reads 12.77 (This is a significant number because it held for quite a time - 28 frames).
5258 Meter reads 20.11 as he moves the meter angle and blinds the video. Ouch.
5284 Meter reads 27.12
5310 Meter reads 27.12
5328 Meter reads 3 right after SM pushes the 2nd row 2nd button for the 1st time.
5367 Meter reads 44.5 right after SM pushes the 3rd row 4th button for the 1st time.
5325 Meter reads 49.6
5337 Meter reads 52.1 right after SM pushes the 2nd row 2nd button for the 2nd time.
5449 Meter reads 3  right after SM pushes the 2nd row 2nd button for the 3rd time.
During the whole demo, SM did not touch the 3rd row 2nd button which is the Volts/Amps button. This means all readings where always shown as Volts (AC or DC is to be determined).
You can tell by all this button pushing that SM did not want to show the progression of the voltage increase readings as the FTPU started up. He pushes the 2nd row 2nd button for the 3rd time putting that stable number 3 on the screen while he buys time for the FTPU to wind up by placing the magnet, giving the magnet some meaning.
We can however at this point understand that the FTPU was already putting out a steady 52 volts at 5337. This was before any magnet was added. More on that later.
5850 Meter reads 3 - SM places the magnet onto the two terminals and removes hands.
5985 Meter reads 3 - Fiddles with the output wires. He's stalling for time for the FTPU to wind up even more now with the magnet.
6043 Meter reads 3 (with small letters added) - right after SM pushes the 2nd row 3rd button for the 1st time.
6050 Meter reads 3 (with small letters move right) - right after SM pushes the 2nd row 3rd button for the 2nd time.
6086 Meter reads 64.7 - right after SM pushes the 2nd row 2nd button for the 4th time.
6114 Meter reads 63.3 - right after SM pushes the 2nd row 2nd button for the 5th time.
6115 Meter reads 63.3 - SM now removes his hand away from the meter.
6136 Meter reads 62.7
6162 Meter reads 62.4
6188 Meter reads 62.3
6211 Meter reads 62.1
6236 Meter reads 62.0
6286 Meter reads 61.9
6342 Meter reads 61.8
6408 Meter reads 61.7
6512 Meter reads 61.7 - as SM remove the magnet.
6536 Meter reads 61.6
6563 Meter reads 61.5
6589 Meter reads 61.4
6616 Meter reads 61.3
6639 Meter reads 61.2
6659 Meter reads 61.1
6689 Meter reads 61.0
6710 Meter reads 60.9
6735 Meter reads 60.8
6758 Meter reads 60.5
6813 Meter reads 60.4
6834 Meter reads 60.3
6889 Meter reads 60.1
6914 Meter reads 60.0 - as SM put the magnet back in place.
6942 Meter reads 60.9
6965 Meter reads 61.6
7177 Meter reads 61.6 - as SM lifts the FTPU.
7577 Meter reads 61.5 - as SM starts to tilt the FTPU.
7619 Meter reads 61.2 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7686 Meter reads 13.12 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7717 Meter reads 12.75 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7776 Meter reads 13.43 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7803 Meter reads 15.96 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7829 Meter reads 16.70 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7855 Meter reads 16.69 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7864 Meter reads 16.59 - as SM holds the FTPU upside down.
7885 Meter reads 16.47 - as SM starts to tilt the FTPU.
7919 Meter reads 16.27 - as SM starts to tilt the FTPU at vertical.
7923 Meter reads 3 - as SM starts to tilt the FTPU past the vertical position. You think the unit was turned back on or the primary was reconnected and it gave an overload to the meter.
7946 Meter reads 3 - as SM holds the FTPU at the horizontal position about 4 inches above the VCR.
7961 Meter reads 61.7 - as SM holds the FTPU at the horizontal position about 1 inch above the VCR.
7984 Meter reads 61.6 - as the FTPU is back on VCR.
8158 Meter reads 61.5 - as SM waves his hands over the FTPU.
9310 Meter reads 61.5 - as the FTPU demo video ends.

OK, so here is what I can make of this information. One main event was at 5230 when the meter showed 12.77 volts coincides with frame 7717 (12.75 volts) when he holds the FTPU upside down to show the voltage drop. This tells me this is the first level of operation of the FTPU that requires a minimum of 12-14 volts to start her up. Just this information for me puts a great step forward in how to drive the beast.

The second point of interest is at frame 5337 to 5448 where the meter holds steady at 52.1 volts long before SM puts on the magnet. Right after that he pushed another button to block the meter reading at 3 but it stayed long enough at 52.1 volts to understand that the FTPU WITHOUT A MAGNET will produce at least 52.1 volts.

At 5850 he puts the magnet onto the FTPU and stalls for time while the meter is at the overlead reading to give time to the device to increase in voltage (it needs time to warm up) at which time at 6086 he pushes the range botton for a first reading of 64.7. By 6408 the voltage dropped to stabilize at 61.1 volts.

At 6512 he removes the magnet and we see the voltage drop by 0.1 volt increments. He waits until frame 6914 where the voltage goes down to 60.0 before he put the magnet back on. This is interesting because he probably knew that if he waited any longer, the voltage would not drop any further since the unit held its own around 52.1 volts without the magnet, so technically, the FTPU without the magnet produces anywhere between 52.1 and 59.9 volts. He did not want to show this fact because it would take away from the importance of the magnet, so putting the magnet back on at 60 volts is perfect to show the voltage drop magnet effect and to fool you to think it would have eventually dropped to zero volts. Very tricky guy this SM. A Master indeed. lol

So at frame 6914 he puts the magnet back on and the voltage immediately goes up to 61.5 range and holds there until he lifts the FTPU and turns it over by frame 7686 where the voltage immediately drops back to 12-13 volts as when he started it up. Hmmmmmm. Turning it over probably just with a mercury switch again. When he turns it back over at frame 7961, the voltage goes back up to 61.5 range and holds there until the end of the demo.

Question: So why did the voltage now go back up so fast?
One Answer: Because it was already warmed up.

OK what this tells me is that the FTPU works at 12 volts then builds from there, produces on its own 52.1 volts, then produces 61.5 volts with the magnet for a gain of 10 volts with the magnet. Then when he turns it over, it falls back to 12 volts. So there has to be a mercury switch in there that turned in one way before he put on the magnet. The magnet effected a normally closed reed switch that when biased by the magnet created additional havoc across the FTPU for the added gain.

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 19, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Wattsup

Thats some great investigation work!

 8)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 19, 2009, 07:02:31 PM
wattsup,

I think you are very patient and deserve to find the answer.
In my opinion however ,SM tried to show that FTPU produce this effect only in one direction, probably only up.
What does it mean ? It means device produce flux which mostly resemble magnetic monopole just above device.Because receiver coil is probably one ,when device is diverted from magnetic monopole (turned  down) - receiver do not get any magnetic flux.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 19, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
@forest

I agree I the past even I would have that thought when the TPU is turned over that there is a counter field effect, but we are giving too much to SM and his savvy is more down to Earth then we would want to openly admit. Remove magnet, voltage drop .1 volts increments, turn it over, voltage drops to starting voltage. These are two distinct events with their own cause and effects, but SM wants to use this as a quandry.

There is in his demos a good percentage of required and even obligated deception otherwise he would not have gotten to the stage he did with so many people around him salivating each time they see his device considering it a major money maker. Whatever he could use to distract, he used it. If he found an effect that gave more voltage output with a magnet, why not use it, plus it adds to the show, the mystery, the invented dilemas, etc.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 20, 2009, 12:17:54 AM
@whattsup
Great observations.

This device was well before he was silenced.

Do you think the magnet is "sticking" to the centre torriod?

or does it fall back when he inverts it?

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 20, 2009, 01:21:20 AM
@Mannix

When he places the FTPU on the VCR, you can clearly see there are two metal terminals going out and up from the metal bracket base that holds the center toroid in place. SM puts the magnet on those two terminals so the magnet holds in place even when he turns over the FTPU. (See image below.)

The only thing that "falls" when he turns over the FTPU is the back end circuit that when turned overs falls into the palm of his hand, but that does not modify the device function.

You see, when he put the magnet and had the steady voltage reading, then he took off the magnet and the voltage fell gradually. Falling gradually to me means the circuit device is still functioning but not at a gain but simply losing .1 volts every few seconds.

Now when he turns it over, this time the voltage drops to his starting voltage of 12 volts. This confirms to me two things. That there is a base voltage and a second level voltage gain that is probably activated by a mercury switch used as a safety. If in trouble turn over the device. You could do that with a 10 foot pole if you wanted to stay away from the device.

The "I don't know why it does this" bit is simply an act to add some spice to the whole demo. "Wow, did you see that, it stopped when he turned it over, hmmmmmmm". Nice act. If the reason it did that was something inherent in the way the device worked (or had to work), then why did it not do it in his other devices. Because it was nothing to start with.

Added:

I am putting up a second image this time with the magnet in place.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mark69 on October 20, 2009, 01:23:15 AM
what happened to SM?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 20, 2009, 01:39:09 AM
The "I don't know why it does this" bit is simply an act to add some spice to the whole demo. "Wow, did you see that, it stopped when he turned it over, hmmmmmmm". Nice act. If the reason it did that was something inherent in the way the device worked (or had to work), then why did it not do it in his other devices. Because it was nothing to start with.

SM stated later in a video that the attitude of the device was no longer an issue.  So, whatever caused it to turn off when flipped over was resolved.

If the TPU was somehow interacting with something outside of itself, then you may have to flip this soemthing over with the TPU to maintain the correct interaction.  Earth has a magnetic field and an electric field.

It could be that the polarity of the output reversed and the control circuits block it (like a diode) when it was flipped over.

If you reverse the magnetic field of a homopolar generator, will the polarity of the output reverse?  What if a diode is in the output circuit?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 20, 2009, 02:16:32 AM
@Grumpy

Good points but the voltage did not drop to zero, but to 12 volts. I also thought about a diode, turn over, internal current reversal that can't go through a diode and the meter reading falls to nothing, but to 12 volts, why would that be if there was a diode blocking the output?

Just got my manual for SMs meter. I'll look it over and report anything major.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on October 20, 2009, 03:24:39 AM
   Nice work Wattsup

Grumpy gives us another tidbit.  Homepolar generator.  Bearden would say rotating frames bend spacetime.    But the rotation needs to be relative to something stationary.  Like the axle of the homepolar generator and the observer brush.  They both need to stay in flat spacetime along with the load.  So if your rotating the aether or putting a depression in the spacetime grid what does that do.  This has been experimentally verified many times by many scientists.  What happens to massless pure inertia we call photons  or emwaves when it encounters a bowl in the flat spactime grid?
What happens to a kid skateboarding a bowl?  What happens to entire Solar Systems when they encounter a major depression in spacetime?  ENERGY GETS SUCKED IN  Photons alter their vectored stream.  Light is bent.  Gravity is created.  Time is altered. Event horizons are created.  Negative entrophy.  Cold radiation. Shit that was happening here in observable radiated 3d time now happens somewhere else or at some other time.  I have felt this happen.  I felt myself radiate cold.  Happened in a highvoltage dcpulsed field.  At the very least the 50watts I was using was one hell of a good refridgeration system.  Kelvin would have loved to have been there.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 20, 2009, 03:38:39 AM
what happened to SM?

SM was bankrupt and lost his Spherics business, and now lives in California in a semiretired financial situation.   His seemingly "free-energy" device we call the TPU, was unsuccessfully peddled by others, and the few "rights" he had to it were sold to some guy in the Philippines, who never did anything with it either (because it doesn't work farther then a few feet away from power lines that carry HIGH CURRENTS).  But SM is alive and well and can curse up a storm if you piss him off.  Just listen to the voice message he left for Jack.

EM
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on October 20, 2009, 04:35:44 AM
   The tpu intrigue.  What an inspiration to us all.  We know we have somekinda magnetic field rotation.  We seem to be neglecting the polidial field.  The plastic the black tape stuff.  Tesla made a neat coil.  He matched the capacitance and inductance of his coil so that any resonant activity didn't have to go too far.  His bifilar pancake coil was a tuned resonant circuit in and of itself.  Each turns capacitance and inductance matched perfectly.  The input pulse stored in the coil never needing to loose power like when you have an rlc tank.  Very little resistance when the current isn't flowing anywhere.  Resonant circuits store highfrequency vibrations and are capable of converting hf low amplitude inputs into low frequency high amplitude circuits to drive motors and stuff like that.  What frequency was Tesla tuning into when he drove his Packard around.
Infrared antennae tank and frequency converter would be nice.  Now instead of dumping the carrier you store the carrier in a tank.  Pretty soon your microvolt potential is in the 100's of volts.  Energy is conserved as you take it and dump it out slowly in a 60hz signal.  The current capacity all depends on how much mass you have in your collector antennae.  If each atom of your antennae shakes of an electron you need one mole of atoms per amp.  To drive a car around you need 30kva for any kinda performance.  Say you have the motor rated at 500volts you will need 60amps.  So the antennae is going to have at least 60moles of easily ionizable atoms.  Hmmm. Or say there is a gas involved that is already ionized which is in evacuated tubes but acts as a charge carrier. Then you might get away with 12 rectifier tubes filled with ionized gas as a receiver of highfrequency low amplitude vibrations.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 20, 2009, 05:33:35 AM
@wattsup,
What if the magnet was a poled keeper to 2 steel or iron posts with another magnet as a keeper on the other end. You would have a broken PMH till you put the top magnet on. Then the magnetic current would flow. Eh?

@sparks,
In the void of space between galaxies, protons abound and electrons are far and few between. But in a gravity well, like a galaxy where there are huge magnetic interactions, we have an abundance of electrons. When the protons and Flux meet we get electrons produced by the interaction of forces.The outcome are waves, standing waves which are electron shells. I got this today from subquantum kinetics.

--gk.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 20, 2009, 05:44:26 AM
@Grumpy

Good points but the voltage did not drop to zero, but to 12 volts. I also thought about a diode, turn over, internal current reversal that can't go through a diode and the meter reading falls to nothing, but to 12 volts, why would that be if there was a diode blocking the output?

Just got my manual for SMs meter. I'll look it over and report anything major.

12v battery - then magnified - magnification stops when flipped - remember this is the bifilar method

12v could be a bias too
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 20, 2009, 07:28:53 AM
@Grumpy

Yes, I agree, the 12 volts is the base, the magnification stops when turned, and it increases with the magnet on.

@GK

The only other magnet I could consider in the FTPU is the center toroid core itself.Maybe that would explain why SM did not want guys with pieces of metal near the toroids. But I do think your idea is very plausible.

@sparks

I think I discovered something else.

A few days ago I was watching a documentary on Peregrine Falcons. Good doc with great images of them when they fly real high up, spot their prey, then suddenly free-dive at 200 mph and hit their prey to knock it out, then return for the feast while the prey is in a daze state. Everything went very well until I saw a close up of the Falcons' nostrils. And then the SM analogy of finding the reason for Mach flight hit me. The nostrils have an inner cone. Without it, it would be impossible for the bird to breath at such high speeds. In fact this was the basis for making the cones on the air intakes of them high fly'in Mach machines.

Now consider again, we, I, you and your TPU is traveling 67kmph through universally present ether. How can you drag in ether at such speeds. Well a center toroid could be your center cone and the rings are your outer nostrils.

Those aviation engineers new that they were traveling through different densities of available air so they had a basis to start making calculations. So what do we have as a basis to make calculations as we and our Earth dives through space every second. We know the Earth pulses at 7.8, but what is the frequency of the Earth travel in space. What relation does this have with 5000 hertz. So what do we have. When we are born, we each get a free 67kmph travel ticket for life. That's it? No, there is more. We can add as a bonus, the speed of our Earth rotation, plus the speed the sun moves in space and drags our solar system along, plus the speed of our galaxy moving away or closer to other galaxies. If you add up all these speeds, and if you consider that all mass on Earth exchanges ether sites at such a speed, how can we take advantage of all this potential energy?

Luckily, ether is everywhere so it does not have to move, like air does not have to move. We have to move through ether, like water has to move through a turbine to turn a generator, like the Falcon has to move through air to make his kill.

What would knowing the frequency do. Well, you know when they hire these construction noise reduction companies because they are getting noise complaints because of incessant jack-hammering. Well they come in and play frequencies that will cancel the ambient noise, or mask it, like maybe shadow masking. Ring a bell. If you know the frequency of your travel through ether, and you can pulse at that frequency, you will neutralize the effect of the travel in that particular space, creating what. I don't know. Man. That I don't know.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 20, 2009, 12:11:27 PM
Maybe FTPU was simple and had only one collector on top.Effect was produced on top so when device was turned down collector was out of field.
Later SM added second collector, so there was two of them : one on top and one on bottom.Just an idea.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 20, 2009, 02:43:36 PM
Could SM be rotating a magnetic vector potential?

The following field properties for an EMF induced by a changing magneitc vector potential are taken from Hooper's work with motional electric fields:

Field Properties:
(1) Spatially distributed energy
(2) ØE = ds
(3) Curl E
(4) ?ab E = ds
(5) E =dV/ds Potential function
(6) Behavior with respect to shielding
(7) Div. E
(8) Poisson's fundamental law with respect to the interior of conductors
(9) In conductors carrying current
(10) Inverse square law
(11) Spatial nature of field
(12) Relation to charges in it
(13) Field dependence
(14) Functional dependence on velocity.


The electric field induced by a changing magnetic vector potential: Et = -dA/dt ~
(1) KE2/8 pi ergs/cc
(2) / 0 in general
(3) = -dB/dt
(4) Not a constant. Dependent on the path of integration
(5) No
(6) Can be shielded with sufficient thickness of shielding
(7) = 0 always
(8) Not obeyed
(9) Can drive a current without a potential drop along the wire
(10) No
(11) Continuous throughout space it occupies
(12) Charges within it do not distort the field
(13) Dependent upon another field
(14) ---.

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Doug1 on October 20, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
This topic is riddled with speculations and theories some are even interesting. Mylow could have had all this if he was better at hiding the fishing line.
 In the end if something can work to provide self sustained power it will be simple in action then humanized and turned into a mess. How ever it will have to function in it's basic form "simplistic". An act of leverage using an event or effect that exists in the natural cosmic plan of existence. A type of transformer with a duality. The lack of results would suggest that a change in windings is in order to make a more dynamic action far beyond a bifiller or a rodin.
  "all those small wires add up"
 Maybe the small wires are not even in view or detectable in any way. What leaves the load and goes to ground needs to have enough punch to cause the action or reaction to sustain itself and then some.Enough to require control to keep it from eating itself or burning up. Fits in a very small space or can be hidden within a part of the construction or is by it's nature an addition to the construction but not in plain sight and produces the physical feeling of a gyro. How many directions does a gyro move in? It toke 6 months to build? If he was working in the micro wave band and had to tune it just right maybe it was making him ill and required many breaks between working on it.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mark69 on October 20, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
@ wattsup,

concerning your sound eliminating idea, I remember way back in physics class we did an experiment on this.  We hit a tuning fork over a long tube of water, where there is a certain distance from the fork to the water.  We could bounce the sound waves off the water back to the fork, which caused the cancellation of the sound.  Though also, which I think will help this case, changing the distance from the fork to the water we were able to MAGNIFY the sound wave and make it louder.  Perhaps this is what is happening in the TPU as well?

Also another question I have or solution, maybe an obstacle is that the wire is braided and you cant keep an exact distance because of this.  What if you you unbraided wire more like house electric wire?  Was braided wire originally used?

Mark
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 20, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
You got me thinking about this.
So I go to get a youtube and I came across this one. It is one of mine but I saw something different. The scope shot shows time but also distance on a micro scale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHSZc7UGL28
So then I go to this next video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgkjMPZZqgQ&feature=channel
Once again distance is the key.
What if the outer winding is at a distance of this harmonic?
I remember a post that said a reflection can also happen off of a standing wave. So what if the outer (distance) winding is also there to catch reflections. Tesla's receiver also expresses this, no? Reflections and impacts.
Much like the movie 'Core' where reflections going around in a circle and these rotations happening inside each concentric standing wave of the TPU. Can I get a reality check on this?

SM constantly mentiones 5khz and the TPUs are 4", 6" 15", 17".

Today, I can not pm on this site.


@ wattsup,

concerning your sound eliminating idea, I remember way back in physics class we did an experiment on this.  We hit a tuning fork over a long tube of water, where there is a certain distance from the fork to the water.  We could bounce the sound waves off the water back to the fork, which caused the cancellation of the sound.  Though also, which I think will help this case, changing the distance from the fork to the water we were able to MAGNIFY the sound wave and make it louder.  Perhaps this is what is happening in the TPU as well?

Also another question I have or solution, maybe an obstacle is that the wire is braided and you cant keep an exact distance because of this.  What if you you unbraided wire more like house electric wire?  Was braided wire originally used?

Mark
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 20, 2009, 09:24:47 PM
I think you are right in regards to wire length and standing waves!  I'm pretty sure this is also what Bruce will be posting on next...hopefully soon ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: zapnic on October 20, 2009, 10:04:29 PM
@whattsup
Great observations.

This device was well before he was silenced.

Do you think the magnet is "sticking" to the centre torriod?

or does it fall back when he inverts it?
he he
sticking coefficient
and
Quantum reflection

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 20, 2009, 10:15:27 PM
btw,what about Bruce  ? everything allright ? he didn't posted for a long time
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 20, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
Haven't heard from Bruce. He sent me 2 of his builds and I made one of the taller ones. Now my controller is fried and it is a real dilemic problem to fix. I need this device. The uproc works on the pc communications side and is quiet on the output driver side. Argh! And that is with all ouput support chips removed and just the uproc in place for usb comm. I am writting code to toggle the Chip select line now to debug this beast.
His idea is sound but the interaction cannot happen in the copper but in the magfields. His scope of design fits with my thinking previously. Magnetic standing waves is the basis of the Subquantum Kinetics creation process. Laviolette states in his model that the electron is a confined force and not a particle. But shows up as both depending on the speed and force. Liken to a photon. To me it seems like the electron is an interference of forces that appears and echos around the shell or standing wave. It like we want to have the electron as a particle because we are focused on material things. It can't exist if it ain't hard or has no power at our level of conveyance.

--gk.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 20, 2009, 10:56:54 PM
I agree about electron, I even think that voltage is electron wave state, and particle electron is just an interference of many electron waves running in both directions. But all that is far ahead of what we are looking now.
I think Bearden is right about dipole. If you have more electrons in one place compared to other  you have electricity, because this is a dipole and source of voltage.Current is another problem and seems to flow only when voltage meet a second end of path and is reflected. Why ? Because there is an impossibility to have the same two electron waves in the same place ? I don't know.Sorry for a long post...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Yucca on October 20, 2009, 11:02:01 PM
I think you are right in regards to wire length and standing waves!  I'm pretty sure this is also what Bruce will be posting on next...hopefully soon ;D

Yup, come on bruce... please.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 21, 2009, 12:41:37 AM
@Yucca

I got my Function gene today!!!!

Very nice!  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on October 21, 2009, 02:01:55 AM
     @wattsup

   Gotta work fast to make your cause effect your receiver.  If we create something that stays put in the Aether would this be like erecting a shithouse on a train track.  When the train gets there the two become relavent and exchange a little potential energy.  If the bigbang is real the problem is that everything is in the same inertial field and there can be no relavent motion to the Aether. 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 21, 2009, 09:02:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KzmB2bI7s
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 21, 2009, 06:38:03 PM
@all

Some good info on standing waves!!!

Opposing waves
Standing waves
Standing wave in stationary medium. The red dots represent the wave nodes.
 A standing wave (black) depicted as the sum of two propagating waves traveling in opposite directions (red and blue).
 
 
Electric force vector (E) and magnetic force vector (H) of a standing wave.
 Standing waves in a string — the fundamental mode and the first 6 overtones.
 
 
A two-dimensional standing wave on a disk; this is the fundamental mode
 A higher harmonic standing wave on a disk with a node at the center of the drum.
 
 

As an example of the second type, a standing wave in a transmission line is a wave in which the distribution of current, voltage, or field strength is formed by the superposition of two waves of the same frequency propagating in opposite directions. The effect is a series of nodes (zero displacement) and anti-nodes (maximum displacement) at fixed points along the transmission line. Such a standing wave may be formed when a wave is transmitted into one end of a transmission line and is reflected from the other end by an impedance mismatch, i.e., discontinuity, such as an open circuit or a short.[1] The failure of the line to transfer power at the standing wave frequency will usually result in attenuation distortion.

Another example is standing waves in the open ocean formed by waves with the same wave period moving in opposite directions. These may form near storm centres, or from reflection of a swell at the shore, and are the source of microbaroms and microseisms.

In practice, losses in the transmission line and other components mean that a perfect reflection and a pure standing wave are never achieved. The result is a partial standing wave, which is a superposition of a standing wave and a traveling wave. The degree to which the wave resembles either a pure standing wave or a pure traveling wave is measured by the standing wave ratio (SWR).[2]

[edit] Mathematical description
In one dimension, two waves with the same frequency, wavelength and amplitude traveling in opposite directions will interfere and produce a standing wave or stationary wave. For example: a harmonic wave traveling to the right and hitting the end of the string produces a standing wave. The reflective wave has to have the same amplitude and frequency as the incoming wave.

If the string is held at both ends, forcing zero movement at the ends, the ends become zeroes or nodes of the wave. The length of the string then becomes a measure of which waves the string will entertain: the longest wavelength is called the fundamental. Half a wavelength of the fundamental fits on the string. Shorter wavelengths also can be supported as long as multiples of half a wavelength fit on the string. The frequencies of these waves all are multiples of the fundamental, and are called harmonics or overtones. For example, a guitar player can select an overtone by putting a finger on a string to force a node at the proper position between the ends of the string, suppressing all harmonics that do not share this node.

Let the harmonic waves be represented by the equations below:


and


where:

y0 is the amplitude of the wave,
ω (called angular frequency, measured in radians per second) is 2π times the frequency (in hertz),
k (called the wave number and measured in radians per metre) is 2π divided by the wavelength λ (in metres), and
x and t are variables for longitudinal position and time, respectively.
So the resultant wave y equation will be the sum of y1 and y2:


Using a trigonometric identity to simplify, the standing wave is described by:


This describes a wave that oscillates in time, but has a spatial dependence that is stationary: sin(kx). At locations x = 0, λ/2, λ, 3λ/2, ... called the nodes the amplitude is always zero, whereas at locations x = λ/4, 3λ/4, 5λ/4, ... called the anti-nodes, the amplitude is maximum. The distance between two conjugative nodes or anti-nodes is λ/2.

Standing waves can also occur in more than one dimension, such as in a resonator. The illustration on the right shows a standing wave on a disk.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 21, 2009, 09:29:36 PM
No see picture?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 21, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
Yes I know and I'm sorry.  It didn't copy!  It is clearer if you Wiki it that's where it is from.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 21, 2009, 10:38:12 PM
Doesn't the mathematical description sound like SM?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tishatang on October 22, 2009, 07:12:06 AM
@Otto and All

Do you suppose SM could have used something like one of these self-powered radio circuits shown here:  You could put one of these in front of each of the two coils.

http://www.crystalradio.net/crystalplans/

Scroll down to #153 Free Power Radios.  Here is page two of three showing the circuits.  File too big to attach.  You will have to download.

http://www.crystalradio.net/crystalplans/xximages/Free2.JPG

If one coil is tuned to around 200Khz and the other coil is turned to 60 hertz, they might gain in power like you would pushing a swing?  One circuit is designed to capture 60 Hz and the last one good for all stray frequencies.

 Tishatang
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 22, 2009, 10:10:22 AM
Yes I know and I'm sorry.  It didn't copy!  It is clearer if you Wiki it that's where it is from.

my hero Giuliano Preparata:

The essential result can be stated as follows. An ensemble of a very large number N of particles, can assume two different configurations and are coupled with the e.m. field (as every particle made up of charged components, for instance atoms and molecules, does), enters a coherent state when its density exceeds a threshold and its T lies below a critical value. This coherent state has an energy lower than the original gas-like state; in the coherent state the particles oscillate between the two configurations in unison, in tune with an e.m. field grown up from the vacuum fluctuations and trapped within the assembly of coresonating particles. This coherent regime of both matter and e.m. fields holds within a region of space whose size is the wavelength of the e.m. oscillations; this region is called "coherence domain" (CD) and its size ranges from a fraction of a micron for liquids and metal electrons to some microns for solids to several tens of microns for ions in solution. ….is then the sum of two mesoscopic components, a coherent fraction made up by a large number of CD's and a gas-like non coherent fraction made up by particles filling the interstices among CD's. CD's are able to establish bounds among themselves through the tails (evanescent fields) of the quite intense e.m. fields existing inside the domains. So there is a large cage of the CD's within which there is a definite phase and zero entropy, trapping a "gas" of non coherent particles, (EDG)

dead ... involved in cold fusion

http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/views/Group1/Preparata.shtml

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 22, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
Hello all,

@thishatang

have I seen this schematic on the energetic forum??

 The schematic ....  gave me some ideas, thanks.

A few minutes ago I was watching again SMs open TPU video.

With sound and without sound.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 22, 2009, 04:42:13 PM
@wings,
An excellent purpose of cohesion through density.

Thanks for an excellent post.

--gk.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: IceStorm on October 22, 2009, 06:02:32 PM
@Otto and All

Do you suppose SM could have used something like one of these self-powered radio circuits shown here:  You could put one of these in front of each of the two coils.

http://www.crystalradio.net/crystalplans/

Scroll down to #153 Free Power Radios.  Here is page two of three showing the circuits.  File too big to attach.  You will have to download.

http://www.crystalradio.net/crystalplans/xximages/Free2.JPG

If one coil is tuned to around 200Khz and the other coil is turned to 60 hertz, they might gain in power like you would pushing a swing?  One circuit is designed to capture 60 Hz and the last one good for all stray frequencies.

 Tishatang

Do the Math for the amount of copper needed to make a 60hz LC Tank after that look at ALL video of SM, forgot the biggest one. The size is too small to fit the LC tank and since there no Core imagine the size of the coil loll 60hz resonant LC tank air core LOLL.

Best Regards,
IceStorm
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on October 23, 2009, 02:29:14 AM
In the ftpu sm places a magnet near a coil.  He does work.  He changes the magnetic field about a conductor and surer than sugar he generates voltage.  Now he flips the magnetometer over and again generates voltage.  Isn't that what an alternator does.  Move magnets near coils?  Electrons will orbit around a magnetic field line as will protons.  This is what causes induction.  When you change the magnetic field lines in a plasma (copper is a negative plasma) the free electrons rotate about the magnetic field lines.  As you concentrate the magnetic field lines you increase the chances that the electrons will collide.  These collisions result in a current of electrons until the magnetic flux lines become unchanging.  When this happens the collisions continue for a while then cease as the electron field settles down and everyone is happy spinning around near it's neighbor. 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tishatang on October 23, 2009, 04:05:58 AM
Otto
Yes, I posted it there recently as an attachment for all to see.  Here, the file is too big and I could only reference the url.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 26, 2009, 01:48:47 AM
first off OTTO congrats on your conclusion ... i hope in fact you have not lost it already ......

none the less i will add this it is the same conclusion i have drawn up some time ago about the operation of a tpu ...  a BASIC TPU ...

but you USE THE WRONG NAME ... NOT BEMF .. HEMF ....

AND YOUR MISSING THE MAGNETIC INTERACTION WITH THE COIL IN MAGNETIC FORM ...


if you understand that

some of my coil designs WILL RIP MAGNETIC WAVES FROM THE PERM MAGNET ... TO ADD TO THERE OUTPUT ...

A verry simple test is to apply a perm mag to an electro magnet feild on a spinning pulse motor AT 90 DEG and watch you mechanical motor accelerate ... with out useing addational inputted electrical power ......

EXACT SAME CRAP WITH A MAGNETIC COUPPLED TPU ...  ;) :D

IST!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: SPP-48 on October 26, 2009, 03:59:54 PM
@All

I have been working on the TPU for a few months now. Have built a few and am just starting to pump in frequencies. I want to try the SM valve suggestion and now have in my hand a 5U4 valve. Can anyone with TPU valve experience suggest a circuit that will produce the right stuff.

As an aside, the recent Hadron Collider theory of bosons travelling through time to stop their own discovery made me think that perhaps humankind is not supposed to tap into the sea of energy. It puzzled me why (from the available information) Tesla did not seem to place much emphasis on this source for the betterment of mankind. The Pierce Arrow event clearly demonstrated that he had researched and had all the necessary knowledge. It also puzzles me that so many have been trying for so long with those who succeeded coming to sticky ends, disappearing or just stopping.

Brick walls.

We will need larger, or more, sledge hammers.

If lots of people can work on the same thing together it’s going to be harder to stop it happening.
But is has to be truly open sourced or it will fail.


Cheers
Sam
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 26, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
Play it again, S.A.M!

@All

I have been working on the TPU for a few months now. Have built a few and am just starting to pump in frequencies. I want to try the SM valve suggestion and now have in my hand a 5U4 valve. Can anyone with TPU valve experience suggest a circuit that will produce the right stuff.

As an aside, the recent Hadron Collider theory of bosons travelling through time to stop their own discovery made me think that perhaps humankind is not supposed to tap into the sea of energy. It puzzled me why (from the available information) Tesla did not seem to place much emphasis on this source for the betterment of mankind. The Pierce Arrow event clearly demonstrated that he had researched and had all the necessary knowledge. It also puzzles me that so many have been trying for so long with those who succeeded coming to sticky ends, disappearing or just stopping.

Brick walls.

We will need larger, or more, sledge hammers.

If lots of people can work on the same thing together it’s going to be harder to stop it happening.
But is has to be truly open sourced or it will fail.


Cheers
Sam
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 27, 2009, 11:57:46 AM
Hello all,

this is what I was talking about. Sorry, its my 1. video and not so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ0vaA1B6yE

or surch for "vibration coils by otto

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Yucca on October 27, 2009, 12:34:41 PM
@otto,

I enjoyed the show!

What the hell is going on there? It's like the core slowly builds up some energy and then releases it in a kick when the coil lifts off?

Can you confirm you were injecting one frequency of around 200kHz (pulsed DC using mosfet).
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 27, 2009, 12:40:52 PM
great video otto ...

nice to finally see you ...  ;D

i have an idea for you otto ... and you did say 200khz...


how about you include a magnet in the mix and fire the coil at 180khz...  ;)

ist!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 27, 2009, 01:17:54 PM
Hello all,

@Yucca

thanks for your kind words.

Sorry, youre wrong. The core and magnet I used only so you can here a vibration. Its the same with or without a core and the magnet. The current is the same, the voltage is the same but with the magnet are the particles a little bit slowed down but not worth to mention.

Today I figured out how and why.

In the next days I will show it to you but I need drawings and time to make them.

Yes, the input was at 200kHz more or less it doesnt matter. The vibration was from 1Hz up to 5kHz or 6kHz. And yes, pulsed with a MOSFET IRFP 450. The connections are already posted in this thread.

@IS

again, thanks for your kind words too.

I dont want to hide myself because ....Im a good looking guy, ha,ha,ha.

you mentioned 180kHz. Yes, but then I need a another sort of ferrite.

The core in the video was a iron powder core and for this, a little bit lower frequency of 180kHz I would need a ferrite core like in oridinary toroidal transformers.

@All

today I will try to make photos of the signals. Its a hard job because the vibrations are not so good to see on a scope.

Otto

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 27, 2009, 03:51:24 PM
otto

It seems like magnetic field from coil is made of additive pulses , each one stronger then other. Then suddenly effect is disrupted and that's the moment when coil fails down.
It needs correct frequency of pulses of course.It also resembles famous Edwin Gray demonstrations with pop-up coil.

I think that if you connect a flyback somehow to this circuit and let those pulses flow through primary, the secondary would produce radiant effect on air - electrostatic like field.
Did you used Tesla patents from 1896-1898 about methods of producing high frequency currents ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 27, 2009, 03:56:45 PM
A little offtopic but I need an advice.

How can I compute the length of coil knowing only resistance and inductance of coil ? Is that possible at all ? I have to measure exact length of secondary of my old Russian car coil and obviously I cannot dismantle it .
Yes - it is for 1/4 wavelength  to maximize vibrations I suppose ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: kmarinas86 on October 27, 2009, 05:29:19 PM
A little offtopic but I need an advice.

How can I compute the length of coil knowing only resistance and inductance of coil ? Is that possible at all ? I have to measure exact length of secondary of my old Russian car coil and obviously I cannot dismantle it .
Yes - it is for 1/4 wavelength  to maximize vibrations I suppose ;D

You would have to consider things like:
1) The wire gauge
2) The shape of the coil
3) If the coil is actually multiple coils
4) If the coils are connected in parallel or series
5) The type of metal used in the conductor
6) The influence that surrounding materials have on inductance

How about this:
1) Look up a patent search for the old Russian car coil.
2) Call up the manufacturer.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 27, 2009, 06:10:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU
Lest we forget...
Thank you, Marco.

These two vids show me that if we have a stable magnetic field, that field can be pushed with another field. In Marco's vid the core(sic) gets pushed. In Otto's we see the core then pushing a disconnected coil with a magnet aiding that. The thumping shows up in both vids. In these vids there is something mechanical that is loose. I am now wondering if 2 layers held in stasis would show a moving or flexing field that runs against another statis layer to be captured. Also in both vids there is a pulsed toroid. Marco's direction is horizontal and Otto's is Vertical. I have a vid of Marco's that is also vertical. I will find it and post.
Also!!! Otto's setup is very similar to a subcoil in Stan Deyo's wedding cake fashioned coil.
See attached. And in the vien of pushing I took this other thread:
Step #1
http://www.google.com/search?q=stan+deyo+coil&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
Step#2
http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_832.shtml
Step#3
http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/mpd.htm


--gk.

Hello all,

this is what I was talking about. Sorry, its my 1. video and not so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ0vaA1B6yE

or surch for "vibration coils by otto

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 27, 2009, 08:32:19 PM
OOOO


magic carpet ride ...

ist!

hover board anyone ... ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 27, 2009, 09:26:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU
Lest we forget...
Thank you, Marco.

These two vids show me that if we have a stable magnetic field, that field can be pushed with another field. In Marco's vid the core(sic) gets pushed. In Otto's we see the core then pushing a disconnected coil with a magnet aiding that. The thumping shows up in both vids. In these vids there is something mechanical that is loose. I am now wondering if 2 layers held in stasis would show a moving or flexing field that runs against another statis layer to be captured. Also in both vids there is a pulsed toroid. Marco's direction is horizontal and Otto's is Vertical. I have a vid of Marco's that is also vertical. I will find it and post.
Also!!! Otto's setup is very similar to a subcoil in Stan Deyo's birthday cake fashioned coil.
See attached. And in the vien of pushing I took this other thread:
Step #1
http://www.google.com/search?q=stan+deyo+coil&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
Step#2
http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_832.shtml
Step#3
http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/mpd.htm


--gk.

Look at the chart on the right side of the page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiding_center

Conditions A and B will not result in usable current, but conditions C and D will.

Condition "C" may apply to the homopolar generator, where the force is the rotation of the disc, and the current is radial across the disc.

Condition "D" reminds me of several posts made by "tsl" where the inhomogeneous field is his radial magnetic field and the collector produces a static magnetic field perpendicular to this radial field.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 27, 2009, 10:16:18 PM
Why do we use square wave???  So far triangle works the best for me but I don't have an oscope yet so I can't see what's actually happening.....even though I hook my TPU up differently every time  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 27, 2009, 11:33:32 PM
duhhh.....You are seriously an idiot ... ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: b0rg13 on October 28, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
duhhh.....You are seriously an idiot ...

nothing real to add here except insults?... whos the idiot.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 28, 2009, 12:48:41 AM
nothing real to add here except insults?... whos the idiot.

Me ? I have lots to add .

I call people  idiots , its fun .

And they are really alot of idiots around , its quite pathetic really . 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 28, 2009, 01:47:43 AM
duhhh.....You are seriously an idiot ... ;D ;D ;D

said the idiot...

Funny how the wanna-be-troll shows up after I link specific field interactions resulting in electron drift and the TPU.  Not a peep for along time before that.

Whatever happened to "tsl"?

=======================================================

Anyway, you get electron drift from the interaction of a force such as "gravity" (which seems to be radial - hmm....) and a static magnetic field, or by the interaction of a diverging magnetic field (radial?) and a static magnetic field - provided you have free electrons/positrons available.

Now, what can you build that does this?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on October 28, 2009, 01:56:52 AM
    Grumpy should enjoy this official verification that electric fields can move faster than the speed of light.  If we take a charged capacitor plate and move it towards a capactior plate of opposite charge how fast does the other plate know the first plate has moved.  Not the speed of the other plate but how fast does it recognize the other plates change in space.  Polarization currents are pretty darn quick.

 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Experts-Create-Radio-Waves-Traveling-Faster-than-the-Speed-of-Light-115431.shtml

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 28, 2009, 02:09:34 AM
Its rather weird , I dont dont actually know why it is doing that , what is it sitting on EXACTLY .

But ... I can test it with pure luck .

Raffining that thing will be some  WORK however .

This needs a fast programmable microprocessor , I dont know that  however so I overcomplicate thing with analog .

Its all really interresting ... But it is beyond my current knowledge of calculations . This stuf is just a pain in the ass unless I get it all handed it to me.

You need to be clever to put it all together , not only electronics but knowledge of how the physics play out .
Gib me , impedance of all coils , core type , and frequency of operation of a working TPU .
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: EMdevices on October 28, 2009, 06:09:51 AM
very interesting article sparks,  it probably is related to all the other faster-then-light schemes.  It's no secret that phase velocity in a waveguide can be faster then the speed of light in free space (approx 3x10^8 m/s) but information (or group  velocity) is a lot slower and depends on the dielectrics used.  This article seems to be written as a digest of the actual research, so I bet that in reality this is nothing more then phase velocity they are talking about, which doesn't surprise me one little bit.

P.S.   I just realized something else, look at their implementation, they have digital boards that switch the electric field.  Light moves about 30 cm in 1 ns, does that tell you anything.  I tracked down the original article:  http://www.lanl.gov/news/index.php/fuseaction/1663.article/d/20081/id/12337, highly doubtful the editors fully understand what they're saying, just like I thought.
 
EM

    Grumpy should enjoy this official verification that electric fields can move faster than the speed of light.  If we take a charged capacitor plate and move it towards a capactior plate of opposite charge how fast does the other plate know the first plate has moved.  Not the speed of the other plate but how fast does it recognize the other plates change in space.  Polarization currents are pretty darn quick.

 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Experts-Create-Radio-Waves-Traveling-Faster-than-the-Speed-of-Light-115431.shtml
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 08:49:33 AM
My answer from other thread :
"I will tell you how in my opinion that radiant effect is produced. On a peak of DC impulse sent into transformer/coil ,magnetic field is collapsing and changing direction.In correct moment another DC pulse should be generated on transformer/coil  a little bit stronger that collapsing one.  In small amount of time those two fields look like a hollow sphere sound source because the collapsing field and increasing field nullify each other effects except small area far from the source (coil) when second impulse was stronger then collapsing one."

Hmm..compare it to that article.... very interesting
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 08:50:58 AM
The same can be done with another sequence : first stronger impulse then weaker, with a proper timing.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 28, 2009, 01:26:52 PM
    Grumpy should enjoy this official verification that electric fields can move faster than the speed of light.  If we take a charged capacitor plate and move it towards a capactior plate of opposite charge how fast does the other plate know the first plate has moved.  Not the speed of the other plate but how fast does it recognize the other plates change in space.  Polarization currents are pretty darn quick.

 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Experts-Create-Radio-Waves-Traveling-Faster-than-the-Speed-of-Light-115431.shtml

@sparks

Yep, in a second take the sun out and pitch black will get here in seven minutes, but we will already have veered off our orbit the next second, same goes with Pluto and the rest of the gang. Oh, down boy. lol So how fast is that?

@otto

Good video. Thanks. I see the point of your video. If you were pulsing at 5000hz, I would understand that the coil would make nice whizzing sounds from internal loose coil wire vibrations, but at 200khz, seeing it move is very out of the ordinary. One would not expect that at such high frequencies.

@GK

Nice cake. Three series primary and secondary loops. Which is which? Is the primary the bottom round coils used to make a vortex field that impresses transfer around the vertical rising secondary, or, is the primary the vertical rising coil used to pulse one polarity through the bottom secondary to create a potential difference.

A side note.
Here is an image of a copper atom.
Seems to remind me of @Bruce_TPUs build and also in a way of your above photo. lol

I am worried that maybe Bruce is not getting the results he is anticipating and this may be due to the three windings meeting all three at the bottom, two in the middle and one on the top. Seems there may be some potential cancellation effect that would be going on if the timing is not perfectly matched to each coil set. The challenge will be to find the first two coil frequencies that will not cancel each other, then the added dilemma of finding the third that will not cancel one or both of the others. Add that to having the three coils at different total wire lengths and this is definitely not an easy puzzle to resolve. I imagine the lowest frequency would be the shortest wind and go higher from there for the others.

Also, I am thinking that if the three horizontal loops were in series, the total loop would undergo a difference in potential from the top (one vertical coil) to the middle (two vertical coils) to the bottom (three vertical coils) acting upon them.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 28, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
Hello all,

@wattsup

this is only 1 properly working "cannon". For a short time I had a second fine working "cannon" and fired my coils with 2 different frequencies and it seems I got the same vibration frequency. 5 or 6kHz.

Of course I have blown the oscillators. But now I know that Im on the right way.

To use 3 "cannons"? We are told that there are 3 "cannons" but....hmmm....its very dangerous.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 28, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
    Grumpy should enjoy this official verification that electric fields can move faster than the speed of light.  If we take a charged capacitor plate and move it towards a capactior plate of opposite charge how fast does the other plate know the first plate has moved.  Not the speed of the other plate but how fast does it recognize the other plates change in space.  Polarization currents are pretty darn quick.

 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Experts-Create-Radio-Waves-Traveling-Faster-than-the-Speed-of-Light-115431.shtml

Thanks.  Very interesting.  Put that in a loop, add a magnetic field and a collecting conductor...might be even more interesting.

You need ions drifting for usable current...and how do we get that?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 28, 2009, 05:21:59 PM
If mad scientist Otto cant finish this than none of you noobs have a chance . Linking wiki and trying your best ( hitting brick walls of knowledge on every  millimiter of the 40 mile marathon) isnt gonna work in the non-virtual world .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adqtuj_kGC8

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 28, 2009, 05:24:22 PM
This is open for debate:
Would that little lump inside one of the small TPUs be a stungun circuit? I want to think of a neon based one but the ions would be confined in a vacuum of the bulb. If the circuit was built using a microgap exposed to air... Or what about the gap being compossed of a bifilar lamp run. The gap exists all around as part of the core. Insulation would not be a problem. It looks like Tesla's ion generator but the fan tube is a control loop picking up the activity of the two electrodes in the bifilar pair. When I fired the stungun into the gk4 I was in the loop and the dartlets connected between the insulated outer winding and my pointing finger. I also see the microgap being inside the winding of the final stage which forms a loop which is unlike a stun gun circuit which the stages are laid out linearly. This points back to the posts I did about the guns in a loop firing the next one, and then the next, then the next. Which brings me back to Otto's 3 canon post.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 28, 2009, 05:43:50 PM
OK GK


i do agree to some degree ..

but how bout this ... 

1 coil is paid for ..  take the bemf from it as OTTO calls it ...  to a cap to wich you have your trigger system powered.. but the returning colpase fires the next coil so there is a magnetic link doing the fireing .. pay for 1 get the use of 2 for free or as many as you put per rev..

i want to stay away from trying to keep it in tune and from drift ...   

after it goes round a few times your at a high running voltage on the coils ... ??

ist!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 28, 2009, 06:00:50 PM
said the idiot...

Funny how the wanna-be-troll shows up after I link specific field interactions resulting in electron drift and the TPU.  Not a peep for along time before that.

Whatever happened to "tsl"?

=======================================================

Anyway, you get electron drift from the interaction of a force such as "gravity" (which seems to be radial - hmm....) and a static magnetic field, or by the interaction of a diverging magnetic field (radial?) and a static magnetic field - provided you have free electrons/positrons available.

Now, what can you build that does this?

Rofl ! You linked something ! Great Job ! OMG , now everybody has received guidance to build the device ... Must troll to stop further ''progress'' ... Seriously , do you even have a prototype TPU that you ever built ?

You  seriously think you are ''special'' dont you ? You seriously have no common sense . You are living in your little virtual world .

I have built audio systems with my bare hands and components , FROM SCRATCH !!! I am a midget compared to what Steven Marks knew @ the time he started .

Steven Marks took years to build that thing , with all his outstanding brainpower and education it took him years ! Not to mention alot of $ and time and high end tools !!!


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 28, 2009, 06:06:43 PM
Rofl ! You linked something ! Great Job ! OMG , now everybody has received guidance to build the device ... Must troll to stop further ''progress'' ... Seriously , do you even have a prototype TPU that you ever built ?

You  seriously think you are ''special'' dont you ? You seriously have no common sense . You are living in your little virtual world .

I have built audio systems with my bare hands and components , FROM SCRATCH !!! I am a midget compared to what Steven Marks knew @ the time he started .

Steven Marks took years to build that thing , with all his brainpower and education it took him years !

said the idiot...

runnin' on 100% HHO yet?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 28, 2009, 06:15:11 PM
said the idiot...

runnin' on 100% HHO yet?

I JUST KNEW YOUR VOICE WOULD SOUND like that grump!!!


lol

ist!  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 28, 2009, 06:15:32 PM
@Dinkie,
I am so impressed with your ability to win friends and influence enemies!
When do you put on your stretchy suite, red cape, and come out of the latrine, err, I mean Bone phooth?

Looks like you could be alot fun at a pit bull fight! You know, when the winner gets fed.

@grumpy,
Quote
runnin' on 100% HHO yet?
I was thinking of another gas that runs his mouth.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 28, 2009, 06:23:31 PM
Unfortunately I cannot afford the 3 or 6 audio transformers needed for my isolation , for the replication of the Hydroxyl refilling patent .

It has been on hold untill I build myself a toroid winder or purchase one .

I will investigate GEET instead , since it will lead me to the same end goal ,  perhaps more easily .

You know I am right to diss anything else , they are here to hinder true and real progress for humanity .



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: stprue on October 28, 2009, 06:35:05 PM
Just remember he is working for an oil company and trying to lead us to study GEET and other shity tech thats far from efficient.  Thats where these kinds of companies are slowly being forced to go.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 28, 2009, 07:01:38 PM
with the use of the tpu there just GONE !!

TAKE THE GEET AN GEET IT OUT OF HERE ...

PUT YOUR SLOW FLOPPY EARED FINGERS TO WORK I RECCOMEND A JT UNTIL YOU GAIN A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY TAKEING PLACE IN A COIL BE IT TOROIDE OR NOT!!

IST!

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 28, 2009, 07:14:36 PM
Lol @ these theorists and their feeling of self-importance , I am as real as your wife telling you how stupid this is .

You can do it ? Dont mind me lol ... You shouldnt even be here if you COULD do it ? I have nothing but good opinions of all the oher technology ( exept jules thief) . Who are you to even be able to think you are in a  position to even DO IT , show me your work , show me the progress in 3 years ?? HYPERS !!! FOLLOWERS !!! SHEEP !!! LINKERS !!!

Why would anybody care of your irrelevant as hell comment(s) ?

This is a forum and I am laughing and killing time .

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 28, 2009, 07:19:11 PM
JUST GUESSING HERE    LETS CALL IT AN EDUCATED ONE ... LOL

THAT YOU WONT LEARN ANYTHING WORTH WILE TILL YOU PICK UP THE JT AND DISCOVER WHY IT WORKS .. AND AFTER YOU DO THIS YOU CAN CONNECT SOME OF THE SMALL DOTS........

 ;)

TILL THEN ILL KICK MY FEET UP ON MY T P ER...  :D

IST!

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 28, 2009, 08:02:58 PM
Let me step down from the heavens once more...

I posted 2.5 years ago that Tesla's patents were hooked together just like the cube in the movie 'Contact'.

Yes, this puzzle is as old as the ages...

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 28, 2009, 08:11:21 PM
Unfortunately I cannot afford the 3 or 6 audio transformers needed for my isolation , for the replication of the Hydroxyl refilling patent .

It has been on hold untill I build myself a toroid winder or purchase one .

I will investigate GEET instead , since it will lead me to the same end goal ,  perhaps more easily .

You know I am right to diss anything else , they are here to hinder true and real progress for humanity .

Even if you get HHO or GEET working and run your ICE on them 100%, you are still stuck with the inefficient ICE and maintenance of the sytem.

Tales of the TPU with thousand to one gain are too hard to resist.



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 28, 2009, 08:38:25 PM
If GEET is so GREET, why are those guys in the video wasting so much time with blah blah.

Just get stock gas generators, modify them and sell them all over the world. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Why do they need money to do that. They could do this on a shoe-string budget just modfying gas generators. I don't get it. What the F is holding them back?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 09:54:16 PM
Let me step down from the heavens once more...

I posted 2.5 years ago that Tesla's patents were hooked together just like the cube in the movie 'Contact'.

Yes, this puzzle is as old as the ages...

--giantkiller.

Of course, giantkiller. The proof is in Tesla patent GB190111293A

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 10:02:21 PM
Always look at European or other Tesla patents, not just at US patents! US patents are shredded  ::) whle European are combined into larger with additional Tesla explanations.

However I didn't find any important additional informations about Tesla oscillators with high self-inductance in European patent office - all US patents seems compressed into one patent GB189620981A
There is another one about circuit controllers. I have to read all of them more carefully.
I think there are other patent around the world which can explain a lot, but basically we are close to understanding Tesla method (and TPU method is surely the same , just the end stage of collecting power is different)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 28, 2009, 10:07:33 PM
GB190111293A patent proves that Tesla produced radiant energy and sent it using  transmitter to the receiver. Receiver with collecting cap is one of the proposed embodiments, and maybe Tesla has a reason to put it into separate patent in US, but maybe not (all US Tesla patents are look like shredded )
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 28, 2009, 11:15:36 PM
Here is a thought to ponder:
All the stun gun ckts in the world are 2 stage. 1st stage is oscillator to microgap, then 2nd stage is setup to larger gap. I say add a third stage! 3 canons. That would increase the voltage to an even greater amount with micro or nano current and it would be fast, very fast.

Maybe Nikola used multiple patent offices to spread the puzzle info even further afield.

--gk
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: dankie on October 29, 2009, 12:34:37 AM
Even if you get HHO or GEET working and run your ICE on them 100%, you are still stuck with the inefficient ICE and maintenance of the sytem.

Tales of the TPU with thousand to one gain are too hard to resist.

Lol thats like the dumbest comment ever , first of all GEET is almost maintenance free and if you are running something on salt  water you are paying 0 . Fact of the matter is that regular Joe the plumber is too dumb and doesnt know enough to make a working TPU but is just smart  enough to make a GEET .

XXXXXX/0 = virtual infinity

Got the cad skills and the machine shop to make your own motor lol ? Got the money ? Most likely you do not .

You can always order a quasi-turbine or  MYT engine still is pre-production stage prices . MYT might cost  you like 200,000$

http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/

The only blah blah is the same old barking from the TPU  dogs !!!!!!

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 29, 2009, 01:38:45 AM
he onky barks because he gets attention when he does...dont feed him
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 29, 2009, 01:49:14 AM
Lol thats like the dumbest comment ever , first of all GEET is almost maintenance free and if you are running something on salt  water you are paying 0 . Fact of the matter is that regular Joe the plumber is too dumb and doesnt know enough to make a working TPU but is just smart  enough to make a GEET .

XXXXXX/0 = virtual infinity

Got the cad skills and the machine shop to make your own motor lol ? Got the money ? Most likely you do not .

You can always order a quasi-turbine or  MYT engine still is pre-production stage prices . MYT might cost  you like 200,000$

http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/

The only blah blah is the same old barking from the TPU  dogs !!!!!!

another dumb-ass-missed-the-point response.

Maintenance of the system is the entire gas producer and engine, etc.  Salt water - yeah...love to see that...

If GEET were all that, every landscape homie would be using them on their mowers.  Have you even built a GEET yet, or are you still dreaming of Stan the Man?

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 29, 2009, 02:41:54 AM
He works on GEET and wastes his time, comes back here B)arking I)ntently T)o C)reate H)avoc or he does the HHO and ends up 'Dead Afrikan'!
You go Dinkie!

--gk.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: kmarinas86 on October 29, 2009, 02:54:13 AM
XXXXXX/0 = virtual infinity

Calculus is your enemy.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 29, 2009, 08:32:09 AM
Working on Tesla projects is like learning the essence, while GEET, Stanley Meyer and others are fine, but based on Tesla knowledge.

KISS  :-*
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 29, 2009, 08:48:06 AM
Hello all,

@dankie

"Mad scientist Otto" will finnish his "job" with the TPU. Dont worry.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 29, 2009, 09:42:04 AM
I have a silly question : assume that we have a resonant LC circuit working at resonant frequency.
We have a non-polarized capacitor there.

What would happen if we replace that capacitor with a polarized electrolytic one ?

I think there is a reason why I ask that and I will explain it later....
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 29, 2009, 01:19:24 PM
I have a silly question : assume that we have a resonant LC circuit working at resonant frequency.
We have a non-polarized capacitor there.

What would happen if we replace that capacitor with a polarized electrolytic one ?

I think there is a reason why I ask that and I will explain it later....


....
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 29, 2009, 02:29:15 PM
DON SMITH DOES AN GREAT DEMO .... IN A VIDEO SOMEONE POSTED ON OU ....

THIS COMPLEATLY EXPLAINS WHAT IS ACTUALLY TAKEING PLACE ...

IN A DEVICE SIMILAR TO SOME TPU DESIGNS AS WELL YOU CAN SEE AN AWESOME TPU IN HIS VIDEO ...

ANYHOW ..

PEACE .. 

HE USES A 8000V TC RUN FROM BATTERIES AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT TESLA WAS DOING WITH AMBIENT ENGERY DON CALLS IT ... THERE IS YOUR FREE CAKE .... I CAN EXPLAIN MANY THINGS I SAW IN THE VIDEO .. I ONLY WATCHED IT 1 TIME ...  ;D ;) :D :D

HE IS PULLING KW AND MANY ....  ;D

O BTW ... THE SCHEM FOR THE TESLA BLACK BOX DEVICE IS THERE TOO... HE EVEN FIGURED IT OUT ... AWESOME ...!!

IST!

BUT DONS CONCLUSION IS MAGNETIC RESONANCE TAPED MAGNETICALLY ..  WHEN INFACT IT IS A MAGNETIC KICK FROM THE ENVIROMENT THAT CAUSES RESONANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE ..

 ;D

U PUSH SHE SHOVES .. U PUSH SHE SHOVES ...   ;)
AND HERE IS A VERRY SIMPLE SECRET  USE HER SHOVES ONLY PASS YOUR PUSHES ON TO THE NEXT COIL...   COLLECT AND USE HER SHOVES FROM COIL #2 AND SO ON...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 29, 2009, 02:56:40 PM
Ok.Here are my thoughts. In 1891 Tesla patented oil filled capacitor (patent 464667). It is non-polarized symmetrical capacitor - just metal plates submerged in oil, when oil is boiled-out to remove any air.
That capacitors worked good for his electric lighting in 1891-92.

But in 1896 he patented another capacitor , now NOT symmetrical.According to patent text such capacitor is more suitable for high frequency oscillators. (patent 567818)
My "detective nose"  tell me that between 1894-1895 he changed completely the point of interest , from AC and high frequency AC currents to the DC oscillators and radiant phenomena.
In 1895 his laboratory was burned out.Coincidence ?
Patent  567818 filled in 1896.

Is that a kind of polarized capacitor ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on October 29, 2009, 02:59:50 PM
DON SMITH DOES AN GREAT DEMO .... IN A VIDEO SOMEONE POSTED ON OU ....

THIS COMPLEATLY EXPLAINS WHAT IS ACTUALLY TAKEING PLACE ...

IN A DEVICE SIMILAR TO SOME TPU DESIGNS AS WELL YOU CAN SEE AN AWESOME TPU IN HIS VIDEO ...

ANYHOW ..

PEACE .. 

HE USES A 8000V TC RUN FROM BATTERIES AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT TESLA WAS DOING WITH AMBIENT ENGERY DON CALLS IT ... THERE IS YOUR FREE CAKE .... I CAN EXPLAIN MANY THINGS I SAW IN THE VIDEO .. I ONLY WATCHED IT 1 TIME ...  ;D ;) :D :D

HE IS PULLING KW AND MANY ....  ;D

O BTW ... THE SCHEM FOR THE TESLA BLACK BOX DEVICE IS THERE TOO... HE EVEN FIGURED IT OUT ... AWESOME ...!!

IST!

BUT DONS CONCLUSION IS MAGNETIC RESONANCE TAPED MAGNETICALLY ..  WHEN INFACT IT IS A MAGNETIC KICK FROM THE ENVIROMENT THAT CAUSES RESONANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE ..

 ;D

U PUSH SHE SHOVES .. U PUSH SHE SHOVES ...   ;)
AND HERE IS A VERRY SIMPLE SECRET  USE HER SHOVES ONLY PASS YOUR PUSHES ON TO THE NEXT COIL...   COLLECT AND USE HER SHOVES FROM COIL #2 AND SO ON...

WHERE WHERE ? Where is that video !?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: innovation_station on October 29, 2009, 03:17:43 PM
 :)


http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8215.10

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2820531/don_smith_free_energy/

 :)

IST!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Grumpy on October 29, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
Ok.Here are my thoughts. In 1891 Tesla patented oil filled capacitor (patent 464667). It is non-polarized symmetrical capacitor - just metal plates submerged in oil, when oil is boiled-out to remove any air.
That capacitors worked good for his electric lighting in 1891-92.

But in 1896 he patented another capacitor , now NOT symmetrical.According to patent text such capacitor is more suitable for high frequency oscillators. (patent 567818)
My "detective nose"  tell me that between 1894-1895 he changed completely the point of interest , from AC and high frequency AC currents to the DC oscillators and radiant phenomena.
In 1895 his laboratory was burned out.Coincidence ?
Patent  567818 filled in 1896.

Is that a kind of polarized capacitor ?

this is just a capacitor with a liquid conductor (saline solution - as in salt water).

Electrolytic capacitors have a polar dielectric which is very inusulating in one direction, but not in the other direction.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Yucca on October 29, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
this is just a capacitor with a liquid conductor (saline solution - as in salt water).

Electrolytic capacitors have a polar dielectric which is very inusulating in one direction, but not in the other direction.

I read somewhere, cant remember where, that when an electrolytic cap is freshly manufactured the only thing that designates polarity is the case marking.

Only when it starts to be polarised in circuit does its plate chemistry become asymetrical.

So I guess if you used a brand new one and connected it to true AC (avg zero V) then it might never polarise but it maybe a bit slugish if each plate becomes coated a little.

Can anyone confirm this, I read it many years ago somewhere, i think ???
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 30, 2009, 03:45:34 AM
@yucca

just put an electrolytic in reverse and you will learn about this bit!...stand back and open the windows.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on October 30, 2009, 04:05:30 AM
LOL! Wear goggles.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tishatang on October 30, 2009, 07:48:24 AM
@Otto
Sorry I can not see your video.  Youtube blocked here in China, as well as metacafe.  Really miss this source to the outside world.

@All
I came up with this idea.  Will it work?

Wrap a bifilar coil around a torus shape, ala TPU.  This will be one soft bare iron wire and the other insulated copper.  The copper wire will insulate the bare iron wire from shorting and will provide high Q due to the separation of the wires.  The iron wire inductor will have a cap across its ends and tuned to 200Khz as a parallel res circuit.  The copper wire inductor will have a cap in series and tuned at 200Khz as a series resonant circuit.  Wind on top of this biflar coil, a collector coil going all the way around.  This collector coil will be wired with a cap forming a series resonant circuit tuned to 5Khz.  For safety, detune everything slightly off.

The theory is this:  On the parallel res circuit, as the volts to up, the amps go down, no gain in power.  On the series res circuit, as the amps go up, the volts go down, no gain in power.  However the collector coil on top will be influenced by both res circuits and hopefully will collect high volts and high amps at the same time, resulting in power increase.  The iron wire will link with the magnetic field of the earth and also possibly cause a slight phase shift between it and the copper wire.  This will cause rotation of the magnetic field the same as in an AC motor.  The only thing left is to add the pulse input coil of either 200Khz or 5Khz , or both.  Also, maybe to add a feedback and control coil.

Tishatang
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on October 30, 2009, 08:33:55 AM
Hello all,

@tishatang

Im sorry that you cant see videos.

But trust me, you missed NOTHING!!! I only showed the people that a coil can be pulsed with say 200kHz more or less kHz and the coil "creates" another signal, lower in frequency .....  nothing spectacular for the people here. Or in clear words, I showed them BEMF.

Almost forgot: I showed also that my coil is levitating because its sitting on a strong magnet and the people could see my naive face.

As said, you missed nothing!

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: hartiberlin on October 30, 2009, 09:06:31 AM
@Otto
Sorry I can not see your video.  Youtube blocked here in China, as well as metacafe.  Really miss this source to the outside world.


Tishatang

Hmm,
that is bad censoring...

Please try
www.vtunnel.com
proxy and copy and paste the Youtube URL into its search form.
It plays all youtube videos also much faster than youtube itsself.

Hope this will work for you.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on October 30, 2009, 11:28:41 AM
Hey Stefan.

The forum no longer displays all unread posts properly ...can you fix that for us please?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tishatang on October 30, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
@Stefan
Thanks for the suggestion.  I can get the index to open on youtube.  But it will not load videos.  Says lastest flash not working or java error..  Everything reinstalled still no joy.

I agree with Mannix.  Something has changed.  No longer does site show line item of posts from today and earlier.  I click on show unread posts and get some posts.  But that still misses many other posts.  Give back the old format.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on October 30, 2009, 12:58:49 PM
@tishatang

That may not be China blocking such a problem. If you use Firefox, create a link in your Bookmarks Toolbar with the following address and give it a short three letter name. Like YTV (for youtube video).

javascript:void(document.getElementById("watch-player-div").innerHTML%20=%20document.getElementById("embed_code").value);

When you are in youtube and you get the error, click on the YTV button and it should load the video.

Generally this problem is from an internal conflict. You should remove flash player, reboot, make sure it is not on your computer, then go and re-install it from the flash player web site again.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tishatang on October 30, 2009, 01:37:24 PM
@wattsup

I tried your suggestion.  It doesn't work.   It's the Great FW of China.  Same story with IE, Firefox, Chrome and even linux.  When it was first blocked I went to metacafe.  Everything was fine to watch videos until I uploaded a video.  After that no luck.  Even tried to have friends in S. China try to access metacafe, no joy.  I think they have bots looking for video content and put the clamps on it.  I can get around the problem with a personal VPN.  But, it costs money and my connection is to slow to handle all the encryption.  If all goes well will be out of the country in about 4 months?

Thanks
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on October 31, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
Hey Stefan.

The forum no longer displays all unread posts properly ...can you fix that for us please?

I agree, it is too difficult to see the last post..... you have to open too much windows

 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mannix on November 01, 2009, 11:07:18 PM
not only that..they are in random order...this site is useless now ..no point posting ..or looking.

Perhaps this is about more adds in our faces? I hope not

STEFAN?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 07, 2009, 05:06:08 AM
high everyone good day!  ;D

here is the secret of steven mark!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UOF5NUF8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lt63Si8IU

all you have to do then is amplify ok

try ozone patent!

finished!!!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on December 07, 2009, 06:53:15 AM
Hello all,

@Tito

its an honour for me to be the first who has posted you a gratulation. So, the ozone patent is important! And you finished the job.

I wish you a veeeeery long life to make this work.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 07, 2009, 09:19:16 AM
I know I heard Steven marks say all his devices are 'tuned' to 7.3Hz

the circuits are tuned to 7.3Hz and so is the toroidal antenna coil.

most radio operators use full wave, half wave, quarter wave units but in theory one could divide into smaller wavelengths to make the antenna more practical, there are also 'virtual' antenna wavelengths to be considered.

if you know how to make a 7.3Hz tuning circuit then I would stick with that, one should be able to pick up the rest of the broadband region as well. I would think, like 50Hz, 60Hz up or below those commonly used frequencies.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 07, 2009, 11:20:34 AM
Tito
How long will you keep this secret and keep teasing.
I understand how many here patiently await the tell.
I can see it now, 2 years down the road, Tito still pointing out vids that have nothing to do with the ozone pat. and still pointing to the ozone pat.

To all
Has anyone actually performed experiments with the ozone pat.?
When I look at the ozone pat, I see the air core transformer. In Don Smiths setup he claims that his transformer amplifies power, not just voltage. But in his case he uses a tesla coil type setup to power the primary. He also states that the primary needs to be in the center of the secondary as compared to a Tesla coil setup in order to get power amplification vs just voltage amplification by having the primary at one end of the secondary, typically at the bottom.
So Don Smiths version does not need commutator and carbon brushes as Tito throws hints to, as he uses a spark gap.

I dont want to sound harsh Tito, but this stuff is Very important to Everyone on this world we live on. All of us here work and build and Show to the best of our abilities. If you have found something that works well, well good for you. Meanwhile We have to only guess at what you are saying over and over. Can you imagine how explosive this forum would become if you would just get to the point of it all. Then we could all have something great to work on and explore further and make improvements on.
Just be a good samaritan and a hero and spill the beans.
Our world and governments are falling apart, we need this to change things for everyone, as I want to believe that everyone here agrees.

So rather than looking at the ozone pat., look to Don smiths setup, as I will be working on this type of setup here soon. Im not sure if anyone here has tried it yet, but thats how things get done. The ozone pat. is vague as to another purpose other than ozone production. But tesla was a smart and tricky fellow, and there just may be a hidden agenda there that Tito is luring us to.
But lets say 5 of us here build the setup in the ozone pat., then what? Another clue or suggestion as to how to make that work also? We here are not all made of money to take the money, time, effort to just be led down that road.

This post may very well be deleted. But it seems I am the only one that asks the bold questions. I am tired of the tease.

Magluvin
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on December 07, 2009, 01:38:10 PM
I know I heard Steven marks say all his devices are 'tuned' to 7.3Hz

the circuits are tuned to 7.3Hz and so is the toroidal antenna coil.

most radio operators use full wave, half wave, quarter wave units but in theory one could divide into smaller wavelengths to make the antenna more practical, there are also 'virtual' antenna wavelengths to be considered.

if you know how to make a 7.3Hz tuning circuit then I would stick with that, one should be able to pick up the rest of the broadband region as well. I would think, like 50Hz, 60Hz up or below those commonly used frequencies.

Jerry ;)


       What would be the harmonic frequencies associated with 7.3hz.  The upper frequencies will all have the subfrequenies in em.  A o to 30,oop volt change in the field polarization over the course of a millisecond will definitely have alot of potential for lower harmonic frequencies to appear. 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: MasterPlaster on December 07, 2009, 02:15:14 PM
@Magluvin

The integrity of the current system is pinned on either or both of the following:

1- Money, anyone who invents something wants money for it. So, they would have to go through the patant system at which stage they are told their invention does not belong to them.

2- Recognition, some people want to become famous or admired ( appeal to vanity) so they take their invention to a show and expose themselves.

As you may appreciate the system would collapse if anyone has a true overunity device and makes it public. Just study Agenda21 or codex-A or other anti human publications from UN. You can see where humanity is at but no, the people with such invention must get their money or recognition but of course they never will.

It takes a total, absolute selfless person who would be able to break the mould. I think this selfless person would actually gain more than money and fame in the long run.

If Tito really had anything he would have been silenced by now otherwise he is a loose canon.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 08, 2009, 01:58:38 AM
I hear ya.
I apologize if I sounded rude to Tito. But he is only one step away from telling, and I know everyone is eagerly awaiting that next tell from him. I believe he is pointing to the right direction, but man I feel teased. Am I the only one? Kind of Mylowed. I only hope he is not Mylowing here.
But I think Don Smiths setup is a better way of approaching what he is claiming. Amplifying power.
Also Tito is giving, but we are all left at a cross roads of sorts with it. Do we go left, right, straight, or do we end up going back where we came from. Many of us here can not afford the time or the money to test every direction, just as Mylow or Alsetalokins cross roads. =[  So many have put forth so much effort in those directions and have been completely discouraged.
Magluvin
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: MasterPlaster on December 08, 2009, 05:10:14 AM
My advice to anyone who has designed an OU device and wants to see it used is to anonymously post it to 1000 other researchers. Short of that, you will be another victim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BVqIjKyJh0


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Vortex1 on December 08, 2009, 05:29:40 AM
Quote
here is the secret of steven mark!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UOF5NUF8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lt63Si8IU

all you have to do then is amplify ok

Lets see....couple of metals and an insulating paper...throw in an iron wire
19 mV decays when meter high Z load is connected.......smells like galvanic action (battery effect) or small thermoelectric effect and all I have to do is amplify it ??????.

Whoopie.... I can stop looking now............but we need ist! to clear this one up
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 08, 2009, 08:15:45 AM
hi sir otto  ;D

i feel that you do not want others to  dig in this topic ha  ;D

surely sm gets small energy from any source right? all he is doing is amplify like tesla, morray, hubbard etc!.

everything is coils using two metals acting as battery combined with the frequency acting as an antenna he is getting in the air, thats why sm said no battery only coils!.

therefore the real secret then is amplification of volts and ampere at the same time ok?

tubes are really good in current production isn't it?  but there are ways that can replace it ok.

Hi magluvin
don't stop its fun  just ride on there are plenty of truth here.  ;)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 08, 2009, 08:21:26 AM
Lets see....couple of metals and an insulating paper...throw in an iron wire
19 mV decays when meter high Z load is connected.......smells like galvanic action (battery effect) or small thermoelectric effect and all I have to do is amplify it ??????.

Whoopie.... I can stop looking now............but we need ist! to clear this one up

the radiant energy patent of tesla is not patented without use. IT CAN BE AMPLIFY OK!  >:(
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 08, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM&feature=fvw
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on December 08, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
Hello all,

@Tito

others are free to post in this topic. No problem.

If you have a good idea - try it, build coils, test your setup....

This is how stuff works here.

Otto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on December 08, 2009, 01:17:35 PM
  Replace the signal generator or whatever you have there feeding your resonant circuit with a quenched spark gap.  The spark gap will automatically know when it is time to put energy into the system.  You will need a charged capacitor on the power supply side of the circuit.  Charge her way up there and the cell will see alot more voltage.  Semiconductors suck.  You want a superconductor in that field.  Feedback a dc blowout coil to clear the plasma in the spark gap. 
   MOD
     DC blowout coils are used in highvoltage dc circuit breakers.  Otherwise the current they are trying to interrupt is still conveyed through the plasma in the gap.  Tesla located his spark gap so that the magnetic field produced by his inductors would blow out or quench the gap exactly when it needed to be. 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2009, 02:35:41 AM
@forest
              exactly man you got it!


@all

    Tesla says that, we only need ten watts of energy to generate thousands and thousands of horse power right?
 and 1 horse power = 746 watts, now we only need only at least 3 horse power to beat one of sm's tpu right?  8)

try study ratio and proportion! as simple as that.


 Richard willis uses dead batteries to generate thousands of watts right? now are the batteries really dead? of course not! there is at least 8 volts there to fire up the whole building ok!

@Mp
       you're very wrong man!

@all
now you can judge me if i'm telling the truth or not!  >:(

i'm not teasing everyone i'm making everything fun and exciting.
is everyone happy duplicating every single thing ? is there a pleasure there?  >:(

hard work is still needed ok, you have to make some modification as it needs the circuit ok. don't just chew and chew. THINK!   >:(

@ MODERATOR
SOMETHING IS WRONG IN THIS SITE, OR MAYBE THIS IS INTENTIONAL, SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT ME TO REPLY KEEPS ON ERROR!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Victor on December 09, 2009, 08:44:56 AM
Hi guys,

If you have not seen this before, you should see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSy-oL4i8pA
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2009, 09:18:15 AM
Tito
I understand that this is fun for you. Its just not that fun for others. Maybe you can at least go a step further, or a few more ideal clues. What would it hurt?
Would it hurt?

Mags =]
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2009, 09:31:09 AM
Tito
I understand that this is fun for you. Its just not that fun for others. Maybe you can at least go a step further, or a few more ideal clues. What would it hurt?
Would it hurt?

Mags =]

Sorry buddy but my clues are already close to the real working device, stick to tesla's circuit, make some modification ok.

you know, you can ask otto also because he is claiming that he already solved it, try to read his first post here.

i believe otto and me have different designs.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2009, 09:31:27 AM
Titos
In the ozone pat, are you using ALL or just part of it? Se this is what is troubling, your clues are sort of vague.
Also, if anyone were to atempt this, Is it a huge expensive project to build?

Mags
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2009, 09:40:19 AM
Titos
In the ozone pat, are you using ALL or just part of it? Se this is what is troubling, your clues are sort of vague.
Also, if anyone were to atempt this, Is it a huge expensive project to build?

Mags

of course part only but it is the main working engine, it depends, its up to you if you want to make it big proj. like for example you want more watts off course you need more coils in magnification.

all we need is to make a strong moving electrons then everything is gain.  8)

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2009, 09:46:22 AM
Teets
Does it involve very high voltage? I dont have very high voltage caps and such.
Magneto
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Teets
Does it involve very high voltage? I dont have very high voltage caps and such.
Magneto

of course yes! not just very high voltage but very very high voltage thats why be very careful, you can make your own high voltage caps, me i'm using two coils as caps ok. 

try to wear an aluminum insulated to you as a safety precaution so that if accidentally made a lightning, you are save by the bell ok  ;D

oops i'm telling everything goodbye  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2009, 09:59:26 AM
Tito
Well you lost me there with the coils as caps. Anyway, Im not sure I have the proper stuff to work with. Thanks anyway.

Mags
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2009, 10:02:58 AM
Titoroni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48E_72WGulk
check out one of my vids here.

Does it seem i might have some of the stuff I need?

Magnuts
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 09, 2009, 10:21:59 AM
Titoroni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48E_72WGulk
check out one of my vids here.

Does it seem i might have some of the stuff I need?

Magnuts

here is what you need zenerdiode, coil as resistor, coil as caps, coil as source of input and galvanize wire, then everything is coil for collector and coil for kicker, speaker wire, coax.

see how coil is amazing?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
Tito
All coils?  Galvanized wire?  Hmmm. Not sure what that wire means. Copper wire with galvanized coating? I have seen some things that talk about steel coated wire. But im not sure what that is for yet due to no explanation there.
i have tried coils in series and different things, but they seemed to impede any progress. Anyway, I know you are going to remain secretive. But thanks for the talk. =]
Magluvins oven
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 09, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
The mystery is here :
There are two LC resonant circuits : parallel and serial,right ?

he he, not really. IMHO there is only one and you got it when connect capacitor and coil and it wants to oscillate always but cannot overcome resistance- friction.The problem is our connection , it has to be only a push at right moments be we tend to connect LC circuit to power source which is not in balance with LC circuit.
Ok, once you find a way to accumulate energy in Lc resonance you cannect antenna to it and see how ambient electrons dance.

Tito, you should be more clear in describing actual methods of putting those ambient electrons to do work. In other words : output stage.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Gobaga on December 09, 2009, 04:03:56 PM
of course part only but it is the main working engine, it depends, its up to you if you want to make it big proj. like for example you want more watts off course you need more coils in magnification.

all we need is to make a strong moving electrons then everything is gain.  8)

In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:

When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?  If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.  What does this do?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 09, 2009, 04:15:10 PM
In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:

When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?  If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.  What does this do?

IMHO when cap discharges power supply is shorted to motor coils but the problem is in commutator.You should see how complicated is that system.
There is at least 3 resonant circuits here and all dependent on each other.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Gobaga on December 09, 2009, 05:00:35 PM
IMHO when cap discharges power supply is shorted to motor coils but the problem is in commutator.You should see how complicated is that system.
There is at least 3 resonant circuits here and all dependent on each other.

In the patent, US568177, Tesla gives a very brief explanation of how it works.  He never mentions resonance and states that the frequency of the discharge current can be varied at will.  The primary (M) and the seocndary (N) probably are resonant to achieve very high potential, but I don't see why the rest of the circuit would be resonant. 

After reading the patent several times and making a few sketches to try and figure it out, the only thing I see that is interesting is if the HV from the capacitor (L) is switched into the low voltage circuit that drives the motor. 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 09, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
In the patent, US568177, Tesla gives a very brief explanation of how it works.  He never mentions resonance and states that the frequency of the discharge current can be varied at will.  The primary (M) and the seocndary (N) probably are resonant to achieve very high potential, but I don't see why the rest of the circuit would be resonant. 

After reading the patent several times and making a few sketches to try and figure it out, the only thing I see that is interesting is if the HV from the capacitor (L) is switched into the low voltage circuit that drives the motor.

This is because you didn't read Tesla lectures,notes and newspapers articles.
Resonant circuits here:
1. Motor coils with capacitance of power supply wires in series
2. Motor coils + primary M with capacitor L in series
3. Capacitor L with primary M in parallel
4. Primary M with secondary N with capacitance plates P P
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on December 09, 2009, 07:44:57 PM
Much of the ozone patent is analyzed and explained in this thread;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.0

@Magluvin

I saw your video. Nice toys you have to play with but there is one thing I think that is wrong with your Don Smith style transformer.

Seems to me the primary wire gauge should be the thicker wire with fewer turns, and the secondary should be the finer wire with more turns. That will give you proper weight relationship. The primary wire should weigh the same as the secondary wire since if you are dealing with direct transfer the masses should be the same or near.

Mind you, this will give you greater flyback so get ready to catch it and it will give you much more secondary output.

But right now, I think your primary is only tickling the secondary when it should be hammering it hard. Or, for now, just make a new primary with thicker wire and keep the secondary as is.

Now I understand you are doing this with one 1.5 volt battery but if you every manage to find a nice coil that is about 140 ohms, you can then do some small testing of the ozone patent and watch voltages of 350 volts rise in one manual shorting. That coil would replace the motor coil in the ozone circuit.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 09, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
Wattsup 
Thats my lil meter in my vids that popped a vessel to bemf. =] I have to send it in. If the case had screws or snapped together, Id take a look myself, but it is SEALED.
Thanks for the critique on the transformer. I did go Dons look, in a way, lets just say simple description. The idea of the primary in the center, air cores, and single layer windings intrigues me, as compared to what is commonly done.
The idea for me was that if the secondary is larger in awg vs the primary, and this is just an educated guess, that the larger wire would take on more advantage of the quick on, hv magnetic pulse, which the freq of that off to on time should be high, and be able to produce more current output  due to Skin Effect, because it has more skin. Just a guess. My Beeg coils, meaning larger awg wire in magluvin language, put out some serious current in bemf vs any of my thinner wire coils, yet they dont seemd to consume as much than expected according to their very low ohms, 0.14 ohm 3 in parallel. =0    =]
But I hear what you are saying and will take your advice. Thanks dude. =]
As you can tell, I have legitimate thoughts.
Gota go to work, Ill be back later, I hope we can continue this subject later if you dont mind, and good lookin out and thanks again.
Magluvin
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Gobaga on December 10, 2009, 03:09:42 AM
This is because you didn't read Tesla lectures,notes and newspapers articles.
Resonant circuits here:
1. Motor coils with capacitance of power supply wires in series
2. Motor coils + primary M with capacitor L in series
3. Capacitor L with primary M in parallel
4. Primary M with secondary N with capacitance plates P P

I'm sure that you are an expert on Tesla's work, and since you are then you know that resonance was just a means to build up a great potential.  If resonance equaled OU, we would have been through searching a long time ago.  So many talk of resonance, but they keep looking for OU.

You might do yourself a favor and take another look at the Ozone patent and then ask yourself "why" I posed the question to Tito.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 10, 2009, 10:53:35 AM
I'm sure that you are an expert on Tesla's work, and since you are then you know that resonance was just a means to build up a great potential.  If resonance equaled OU, we would have been through searching a long time ago.  So many talk of resonance, but they keep looking for OU.

You might do yourself a favor and take another look at the Ozone patent and then ask yourself "why" I posed the question to Tito.

I think you asked Tito about the same I would ask him : how he is getting energy out of resonance without disturbing it. Ozone patent is one method unfortunately with embodiment only for electrochemical reaction in gases and liquids maybe.
I'm not an expert , I have just done a little researching and seems that producing ozone with a method described by Tesla require huge amount of UV radiation which means huge electric power.of course we can easily produce small amount of ozone using HV and metal with sharp edges but here we have flat surface of big area.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: sparks on December 10, 2009, 01:03:25 PM
   There is no hot current through an ozone cell.  There is a load though.  The ozone cell is a capacitor.  In parallel with a hvoltage transformer.   The electric field produced between the two large insulated electrodes appears to be able to do work.  Another capacitor Tesla made was one that relies on parasitic capacitance.  It was a bifilar pancake coil.  What usually stops an oscillation from oscillating is the resistance in the circuit.  In the Tesla capacitor coil the resistance associated with conductors between discrete components in a rlc circuit is minimized as the inductor is also employed as the capacitor.  The bifilar pancake coil is a capacitor but it does not store charge it stores the whole enchilada.  Every input from the scource remains in the coil capacitor.  After a couple of days of input of a watt or so imagine the density of the standing waves in that field.  The field energy density gives rise to a very pervasive relativity based on the mass residing in a spacetime point. The coil gets more massive.  Begins to accelerate stuff. 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on December 10, 2009, 01:52:59 PM
   There is no hot current through an ozone cell.  There is a load though.  The ozone cell is a capacitor.  In parallel with a hvoltage transformer.   The electric field produced between the two large insulated electrodes appears to be able to do work.  Another capacitor Tesla made was one that relies on parasitic capacitance.  It was a bifilar pancake coil.  What usually stops an oscillation from oscillating is the resistance in the circuit.  In the Tesla capacitor coil the resistance associated with conductors between discrete components in a rlc circuit is minimized as the inductor is also employed as the capacitor.  The bifilar pancake coil is a capacitor but it does not store charge it stores the whole enchilada.  Every input from the scource remains in the coil capacitor.  After a couple of days of input of a watt or so imagine the density of the standing waves in that field.  The field energy density gives rise to a very pervasive relativity based on the mass residing in a spacetime point. The coil gets more massive.  Begins to accelerate stuff. 

ozone generator ............. glow discharge plasma ?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/s_gdp4.htm

see power measurement
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Gobaga on December 10, 2009, 02:14:46 PM
of course yes! not just very high voltage but very very high voltage thats why be very careful, you can make your own high voltage caps, me i'm using two coils as caps ok. 

try to wear an aluminum insulated to you as a safety precaution so that if accidentally made a lightning, you are save by the bell ok  ;D

oops i'm telling everything goodbye  ;D

Tito,
In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:

When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?  If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.  What does this do?

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wings on December 10, 2009, 02:31:28 PM
ozone generator ............. glow discharge plasma ?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/s_gdp4.htm

see power measurement

see also this OU patent 3781601

http://www.google.com/patents?id=zbYvAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false

the secret high frequency plasma vibration Thz close to ZPE frequeny range ?

http://books.google.it/books?id=0RmkmrFxHM0C&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=%22the+super+tube%22+Moray&source=bl&ots=0rOGUKlrkV&sig=6UA4S52QSjdElnDEXD4pXXqlYf0&hl=it&ei=0Y8fS4WqO4St4Qb5n_zfCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22the%20super%20tube%22%20Moray&f=false

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 10, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
Steven Mark :
"Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand".
I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it.
In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"

Think about implications for interconnected resonant systems.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: teslaalset on December 10, 2009, 03:19:24 PM
 Cover of this work:
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on December 10, 2009, 04:02:09 PM
Steven Mark :
"Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand".
I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it.
In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"

Think about implications for interconnected resonant systems.

An example of this is the modern home intercom system. You just plug each station into a separate wall outlet and the com signal travels through the AC line and is captured by the other stations.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: wattsup on December 10, 2009, 04:51:36 PM
In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:
1) When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?
2) If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.
3) What does this do?

1) Yes the negative of the complete circuit goes through the motor coil. But you have to look at it like short noshort.

Notice that Telsa always used an armature in his commutator motors when he knew the circuit will be pulsing thus having off states, the energy held in the armature is required to keep the rotor turning during this off state. So he is taking the energy even in the armature of his device to do that while the feed source is disrupted and this energy is also used to keep the commutator moving while also turning a fan to move air through the ozone chamber. That clears you for the rest of the energy play.

It's like he was listening to Mozart when he made this device. The device would work like a symphony with all the parts playing their roles at the same time, reverse left swing, reverse right swing.

2) & 3) Yes part of the device function is to put back energy into the source which is usually a battery setup.

Capacitors discharge when connected, inductors discharge when disconnected. Resonance is a function of both these actions happening in the highest sync possible given their two parameters. Proof, change the capacitor value and your resonance frequency will change. Same goes for the inductor or coil. So everything is relative to how deep your inductor can take a charge when connected to release it into the circuit and how many mF the capacitor has to take all the release in when it passes the low resistance primary working circuit. Now what actually happens is a continuous reversing of polarity over the primary. So the number of segments on the commutator had to be matched to the expected cycles of the motor rpm to produce the required pulsing frequency of the circuit and the components were chosen for their specific values given these set parameters. And yes, in a subset device he has a control for the motor coil to vary the spark rate.

In this case Tesla decided to use a short primary on a long secondary to produce high voltage discharges (today we use corona discharge) that crack the oxygen bonds releasing single atoms that then bond to other oxygen atoms to produce ozone at a very economical level because a major part of the used energy is always returned to the source battery.

That's the way Tesla did things at that time. His patents go much deeper then the device itself. He knew that most people including the guys at the patent office will look at these patents and just worry about the nuts and bolts and not realize the true underpinnings that make it work. lol

This is from a long time forum member named @Erfinder;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg79545#msg79545
You may want to look up his posts on this forum. Me I am just a low leveler.

But, I have learned that there is a big difference between regular resonance and what I would call "full play resonance". You can take any coil and any capacitor and you will eventually find the resonance frequency. But big deal, this means nothing. Take a 1 henry coil and take a 1 picofarad capacitor and you will find the resonance. Take a 1 mH coil and a 1 farad capacitor and you will again find the resonance. But in both cases the exchanged energy is totally insignificant. Now as soon as you match your coil value and your cap value so each will pitch and catch the total energy of the other, then you find your resonance, then you will see what is the difference between a tapping and a hammering action. lol
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on December 10, 2009, 11:07:52 PM
When the tank charges up you can draw off power as the prior spark gap keep fast charging the tank. The spark gap is wideband transmitter. The tank is a thinband receiver. The spark gap energy goes 2 ways. The resonant freq keeps the tank charged and the non resonant is passed on. This is when the tank is used as a serial device not signal to ground position or parallel to the rest of the circuit.
As far as lightning goes, SM shows the key to the whole operation is a stun gun type operation, same color sparks. Big visual key here. That means frequency band.
The large sm17 coil drives big usable loads. The smaller tpus only drive 1 light bulb. I believe the smaller units used smaller or neon spark gaps. The sm17 unit had to have a spark gap in it. It procudes showers of huge sparks. I believe he put that spark gap inside the black box to hide it. It would fit.
@wattsup,
In your designs and analysis of the bigger unit check out the sizing of the box. And since the larger unit had so little windings he needs very large caps. The distance between the upper and lower loops gives the correct capactive distance in addition to the 2 upright caps inside the ring. This Gap is the same storage that Marco Rodin's has in his coil. Nobody ever addressed the heights of SM units and how integral the measure is to operation. He fires an electrostatic charge(wideband) into those odd tanks and they resonate. This storage also presents itself as a bias, a charged field, an evelope to pinch, a meduim for the cannon ball to fire through(the Stun).
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Gobaga on December 10, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
I asked 2 simple questions:

In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:

1) When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?

If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.

2) What does this do?

Spare me the regurgitated misconceptions of other people's work.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 12, 2009, 03:39:59 AM
I asked 2 simple questions:

In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:

1) When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?

If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.

2) What does this do?

Spare me the regurgitated misconceptions of other people's work.

hi gobaga

i think what you want to hear  here is that it discharge the power supply am i right?

when cap discharge of course cap is also discharge right and battery also discharge that means they share to the discharging moment BUT! IF YOU HAVE MANY COILS OF INDUCTORS WITH COLLECTORS THEN INSTEAD OF DISCHARGING, IT OVER CHARGES THE BATTERY ACTUALLY.  8)

SATISFIED?  ;D   
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Gobaga on December 12, 2009, 06:05:18 AM
hi gobaga

i think what you want to hear  here is that it discharge the power supply am i right?

when cap discharge of course cap is also discharge right and battery also discharge that means they share to the discharging moment BUT! IF YOU HAVE MANY COILS OF INDUCTORS WITH COLLECTORS THEN INSTEAD OF DISCHARGING, IT OVER CHARGES THE BATTERY ACTUALLY.  8)

SATISFIED?  ;D

Thanks Tito.

I was looking for a very specific answer.  Yes is charges the supply, but I wanted to see if you know "why" it charges the supply.

Don't give details.


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 12, 2009, 10:10:17 AM
Maybe capacitor discharge recharge coil with high self-induction.With higher frequencies I may even think that most part of energy going out from DC source does not return back to DC source second terminal but is stored in coil of high self-induction and kicked forth to the discharge circuit.
So it might be that short-circuit of DC source is happening only at startup.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on December 12, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
Titos
Hows it going?
Are you saying to add coils in series in the circuit and capture from each of them to get gain? Im just imagining from you saying many coils. Also, do we want these coils to be different from one another, or the same? I had seen this in a bedini vid on YT that he puts a coil in series of the bemf end of the circuit and captures from that coil along with the original bemf still being captured in the normal fashion.

Mags
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on December 12, 2009, 12:01:40 PM
I would do that in such way : make resonant circuit of peculiar advantage of accumulation of power, connect antenna to it forming antenna as a series of coils (or coils in series) make them as transformers when secondary are in parallel,connect the proper capacity ball to the end to make it still 1/4 wavelength to get to passive zone at antenna.

Tito ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 13, 2009, 08:08:21 AM
@ mag & forest

Actually your already there just make a little twist of thinking and you got it!  ;D

here:
        the real secret is the method of amplification, it should be done in a chain reaction fashion.

like for example how to amplify a small kick that we received from the antenna?

the amplified should be amplified again, again and again thats why we get a very high voltage. 8)

collect=>damp=collect=>damp and so on of course it should be growing.  8)

 i hope you got it.


that's it goodbye.
 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 13, 2009, 08:37:19 AM
Thanks Tito.

I was looking for a very specific answer.  Yes is charges the supply, but I wanted to see if you know "why" it charges the supply.

Don't give details.

The self induce energy tries to re-separate the balance atom, in that sence it charge by trickle ok.  8)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: otto on December 13, 2009, 04:30:04 PM
A letter to my so called "friend"

Raul from "Texas"!!

Raul I see your eyes are following my posts. Ha! What a panic when I opened this topic! Ha,ha.

Of course I made a joke with you but...

You remember what I told you when you offered me money for my research, a car, a 5 years well payed job??

You remember that I told you "something" about Christmas" or at least "New Year"....remember?, my so called "friend"?

Remember the 500 bucks you have told me 3 times that you have sent me but I never got it?

Well, its almost Christmas.

Oh, you think Im joking with you?

I give you a "bone" so you can dream about me: 1 of the coils is a very special coil and works in an "unexpected" way.

You may think that I dont know about the right core metal?

You really want that I wright this into a public forum? Just say it and I will give this information!!

You dont know what I want?

Guess.

But dont guess to long because there are no exclusive rights on my knowledge so everybody has the same rights to buy.

You think a bullit is cheaper? Hmmmm.....youre free to try. Im not scared but you know, Im not anymore the LITTLE man from the little country. Im now a grown up man with so many possibilities to store and hide some informations....you know what I mean.

So, Raul, the 500 bucks are "grown" like me. A lot more!!

A little advice if you allow: dont wait to long because youre not the only rich man on this planet.

You know where you can find me.

Otto



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: MasterPlaster on February 15, 2011, 07:07:18 PM
I think this post only blongs in this thread.

It is the last thing I received from Otto:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=457
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Qwert on February 15, 2011, 08:05:26 PM
I posted this material a while ago:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2535.msg260660#msg260660
It'd be good to have a reference where everyone could find material alredy posted in this forum in the past.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: masster on April 23, 2011, 10:09:45 PM
I was wondering why would you people try to replicate a project of a gay conman that has no clue about science, and even more important, why are you so obsessed with a device that is known to overheat after 20 minutes ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 23, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
I was wondering why would you people try to replicate a project of a gay conman that has no clue about science, and even more important, why are you so obsessed with a device that is known to overheat after 20 minutes ?

He is not a con man.  It lasted much longer than 20 minutes.  The over heating problem has been solved, and I know how.  The science is real.

Have a good day,

Bruce
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: equityboost on April 26, 2011, 07:03:43 AM
He is not a con man.  It lasted much longer than 20 minutes.  The over heating problem has been solved, and I know how.  The science is real.

Have a good day,

Bruce

So many threads, it's hard to follow the progression. This thread just dies. Do you have a thread on your successful TPU Bruce?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: masster on April 26, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
you must be dreaming...
an inventor/innovator willing to disclose in full his knowledge to mankind for free? ha!
they'd better take the secret to their grave...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nightlife on April 26, 2011, 03:08:43 PM
you must be dreaming...
an inventor/innovator willing to disclose in full his knowledge to mankind for free? ha!
they'd better take the secret to their grave...

 Wow, you have issues. Otto has passed and many are here to help mankind as he was, not to try and become rich. Yes, we may get lucky and produce something that big money will buy but it does us no good because big money will not release it for all to use. I personally do not need money, I am comfortable. I have a nice home, my own business, a beautifull wife and three kids. However, I see many suffer do to big moneys greed and if I can help in any way to relieve others pain, I will. People need to stop being greedy and start helping each other and you sir must be one of those who are greedy and wants to help no one but yourself. Good day and good riddens to you and all like you sir.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: rensseak on April 26, 2011, 06:32:11 PM

The energy still comes from the source we use everyday (even this he admits) and this is the source you are using right now,

Do you mean the earth magnetic field? I did not know that we are using it already. Can you tell more about it?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 26, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
Yes, The science is real.
But the inventor admits these are not free energy devices in the first few lines of speech in his first video.

The energy still comes from the source we use everyday (even this he admits) and this is the source you are using right now, so anybody who still thinks this device can solve the world's energy crisis or who thinks this device will put out energy anywhere in the universe is either plain stupid or too blind to see.

LOL  As usual, you don't read or understand, like so many others.  Steven Mark discovered (re-discovered, since Tesla discovered first!) a new power source based on the resonance of the Earth known as the Schumanns Resonance.  And he figured out how to tap into it!  I have Re-Re-discovered this, and also now know how to tap into this, and I have shared it with the world.  Calculators, all of the math, etc on my thread and in the downloads area of this forum.

Universe, no, but just this planet?  Absolutely!!

Have a nice day!

Bruce
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Mk1 on April 26, 2011, 07:09:13 PM
The USA government admitted using youtube for finding Free energy , Steven Mark is a psy op , they did the same thing with anti gravity , they made fake movie of a inventor and his flying invention on the movie the inventor crash and die without revealing how he did it , top scientist were then ask to find how he did it . Once anti gravity was found they admitted the fake movie by disney ...

You are the scientist and the time and resources used for research is yours ...

Like a good old game of chess.

Mark   
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: kmarinas86 on April 27, 2011, 12:49:46 AM
Which source you use everyday? the earth's field??
That's exactly what i mean by saying too blind to see the answers is so freaking obvious.
You are using the source that powered those bulbs as we speak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHswoNpc0Tk
This video has been cut !
It's missing the start where the inventor admits these are not free energy devices!

This video still has it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ROeNduo79k

But the audio is muted!

LOL  As usual, you don't read or understand, like so many others.  Steven Mark discovered (re-discovered, since Tesla discovered first!) a new power source based on the resonance of the Earth known as the Schumanns Resonance.  And he figured out how to tap into it!  I have Re-Re-discovered this, and also now know how to tap into this, and I have shared it with the world.  Calculators, all of the math, etc on my thread and in the downloads area of this forum.

Universe, no, but just this planet?  Absolutely!!

Have a nice day!

Bruce

The obvious possibility is that Steven Mark doesn't know where the energy comes from. He claims that it's from the Earth's magnetic field and then claims it's from existing power infrastructure. It is also possible, but not as obvious, that the power of the TPU is coming from neither.

Re: Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info ! (Posted by Kmarinas86 on August 29, 2009 CST)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4299.msg199128#msg199128

"Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction (Posted by Kmarinas86 on September 16, 2009 CST)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8056
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: masster on April 27, 2011, 01:25:14 AM
@nightlife
I don't have any issue.
I believe you are the only member of this forum that didn't get where I was pointing at and the bitter-sad tone of my comment.
feel free to read my topic & poll titled "A Morality Issue Poll" at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9432.0 then I will accept your apology.

@Bruce_TPU
you don't have to convince anyone about your scientific beliefs and accomplishments. it is a waste of your valuable time. your invention will work regardless any stupid, arrogant or plain mean remarks of any detractor. you don't need their approval and what they really want is to start a meaningless debate and to waste our time.

@Microcontroller
you are a lame & insignificant detractor and a slave. you people and your masters are so easy to spot since you produce only garbage, stupidity and venom. you don't deserve any answer from anybody on this forum. you're busted, buddy!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: gmeast on April 27, 2011, 05:04:43 AM
LOL  As usual, you don't read or understand, like so many others.  Steven Mark discovered (re-discovered, since Tesla discovered first!) a new power source based on the resonance of the Earth known as the Schumanns Resonance.  And he figured out how to tap into it!  I have Re-Re-discovered this, and also now know how to tap into this, and I have shared it with the world.  Calculators, all of the math, etc on my thread and in the downloads area of this forum.

Universe, no, but just this planet?  Absolutely!!

Have a nice day!

Bruce

@ Bruce_TPU,

Please direct me to your uploads on this topic.  I wish to download, but have never done that here at OU.com.

Help appreciated,

gmeast
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: rensseak on April 27, 2011, 06:54:29 AM
Can you show it ? Right now??

Can you show how he really did it?

No?

Then shut up!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: 4Tesla on April 27, 2011, 08:52:35 AM
LOL  As usual, you don't read or understand, like so many others.  Steven Mark discovered (re-discovered, since Tesla discovered first!) a new power source based on the resonance of the Earth known as the Schumanns Resonance.  And he figured out how to tap into it!  I have Re-Re-discovered this, and also now know how to tap into this, and I have shared it with the world.  Calculators, all of the math, etc on my thread and in the downloads area of this forum.

Universe, no, but just this planet?  Absolutely!!

Have a nice day!

Bruce

You have plans / schematic?  I would like to try and replicate.  Do you have a link to a video of your TPU?

Thanks,
Tesla
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: maxwell on March 10, 2012, 06:13:04 PM
Thanks Bruce for the work you're doing. I'll be very carefully replicating what you're attempting to do. I wish we had more like you around.
Maxwell
 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Magluvin on March 10, 2012, 07:54:49 PM
LOL  As usual, you don't read or understand, like so many others.  Steven Mark discovered (re-discovered, since Tesla discovered first!) a new power source based on the resonance of the Earth known as the Schumanns Resonance.  And he figured out how to tap into it!  I have Re-Re-discovered this, and also now know how to tap into this, and I have shared it with the world.  Calculators, all of the math, etc on my thread and in the downloads area of this forum.

Universe, no, but just this planet?  Absolutely!!

Have a nice day!

Bruce


"I have Re-Re-discovered this,"

Is this to say that you have or have had a working unit?

Mags
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on February 06, 2019, 10:08:32 PM
Well, well, well.
Since Israel's enemies are all at her feet and they are seething to get their agendas enacted pretty damn fast I have come to the conclusion they we dont have much time left on this planet, believers or otherwise.

I would like to take this time to update the community with ad infinitum pablum:

Quote
Everyone also seems to forget that GK's GK4 device produced some interesting results and was referenced by Spherics.
Let this stick in your mind and I will go back in time and reflect on actions and appearances.

The fix is that no matter what setup one has if the forward transmissions are in synchronization with the wave reflections there will be a resonant rise, a build up, i.e. Tesla coil.
Today's power engineers all know about destructive harmonic reflections and the intense need to avoid these. Really? The TPU answer has been under everyone's noses the whole time. You want proof?
The comp wave is but one cycle of the example.
I thought I would spend a couple of years letting everyone get deep in their own mud. Cruel, huh? Nope. Self preservation. There are people we know of that should not have this technology or are looking to promote themselves. There is no time left for grandious foot stomping or dissertational exhortation to a jury of one's peers.
Every one wants a demo. I gave tons of them, all single cycle. From the minute scope shot to blowing up the neighborhood. Wattsup gave additional suggestions and Dollard proved the actuation through the air and ground. I just happen to be the guy that turned all the nuggets in to a gold bar.
But I was given one word of advice. 'There is and there is only ever going to be one Ark of the Covenant'. Sounds hokey, huh? This technology is not allowed in the hands of the public at this juncture in time. The MIB have it though.

I can assure you this that only a few have the technology under their belts and there is little promotion one can do to Make the world a better place.

I always wanted to change the world and I did. Now you can too. I shut down the Berlin internet for 3 hours with my first demo and left a sluggish internet in it's wake for the next 3 days. Remember that?
I told SM that would like to try a stun gun demo with a 20 foot loop of super conducting silver wire by an airport. He emphatically responded ' No'. Remember that?
The reason I mentioned that action was to flush him out of hiding. And it worked. I also came up with this test because I live in a communication test corridor of super top secret air to ground protocol testing.
I can not go beyond the single cycle or power up tests where I am at.
As long as you have no demos that show powering an infrastructure item you're safe. But some fool reading this will jump on the soapbox and shout glorious parade talk. Good luck with that.
Let me repeat: My demos were 'All single cycle' capitalizing on harmonic reflections. This is the TPU. Why do think it vibrates?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: e2matrix on February 07, 2019, 12:25:22 AM
Hey GK great to see you back here (if but briefly).   For those with a screen width less than a house I'll repost
some of the above to make it easier reading and a picture that probably fits your monitor:

From giantkiller:

Well, well, well.
Since Israel's enemies are all at her feet and they are seething to get their agendas enacted pretty damn fast I have come to
the conclusion they we dont have much time left on this planet, believers or otherwise.


I would like to take this time to update the community with ad infinitum pablum:


Quote
Everyone also seems to forget that GK's GK4 device produced some interesting results and was referenced by Spherics.
Let this stick in your mind and I will go back in time and reflect on actions and appearances.


The fix is that no matter what setup one has if the forward transmissions are in synchronization with the wave reflections
 there will be a resonant rise, a build up, i.e. Tesla coil.
Today's power engineers all know about destructive harmonic reflections and the intense need to avoid these.
Really? The TPU answer has been under everyone's noses the whole time. You want proof?
The comp wave is but one cycle of the example.
I thought I would spend a couple of years letting everyone get deep in their own mud. Cruel, huh? Nope.
 Self preservation. There are people we know of that should not have this technology or are looking to promote
themselves. There is no time left for grandious foot stomping or dissertational exhortation to a jury of one's peers.
Every one wants a demo. I gave tons of them, all single cycle. From the minute scope shot to blowing up the neighborhood.
Wattsup gave additional suggestions and Dollard proved the actuation through the air and ground. I just happen
to be the guy that turned all the nuggets in to a gold bar.
But I was given one word of advice. 'There is and there is only ever going to be one Ark of the Covenant'.
Sounds hokey, huh? This technology is not allowed in the hands of the public at this juncture in time.
The MIB have it though.


I can assure you this that only a few have the technology under their belts and there is little promotion one can
do to Make the world a better place.


I always wanted to change the world and I did. Now you can too. I shut down the Berlin internet for 3 hours
with my first demo and left a sluggish internet in it's wake for the next 3 days. Remember that?
I told SM that would like to try a stun gun demo with a 20 foot loop of super conducting silver wire by an
airport. He emphatically responded ' No'. Remember that?
The reason I mentioned that action was to flush him out of hiding. And it worked. I also came up with
 this test because I live in a communication test corridor of super top secret air to ground protocol testing.
I can not go beyond the single cycle or power up tests where I am at.
As long as you have no demos that show powering an infrastructure item you're safe. But some fool reading
 this will jump on the soapbox and shout glorious parade talk. Good luck with that.
Let me repeat: My demos were 'All single cycle' capitalizing on harmonic reflections. This is the TPU. Why do think it vibrates?


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on February 07, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
This came across my system...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: giantkiller on February 07, 2019, 10:18:01 PM
One ring to rule them all...
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Reiyuki on February 08, 2019, 12:28:18 AM
One ring to rule them all...
I'm assuming that circuit should be ungrounded in order to function properly.... ;)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: tomd on February 09, 2019, 06:33:50 AM
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/21103-energy-propagation.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/21103-energy-propagation.html)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 09, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
Steven Mark he worked in first SPHERIC AUDIO LABORATORIES Inc Spheric Audio Labs Inc     

later UEC corporation -  3820 Charles Page Boulevard Tulsa Oklahoma 74129 (Universal Energy Corporation)

UEC is now a company Sunrise Petroleum FZC    PO Box 42553, Hamariyah Free Zone Sharjah, United Arab Emirates

They probably have 14 patents now.

patenet USD362439S but is not TPU.

Does anyone know other patents from list 14 for TPU?


Is Steven Mark alive?

https://youtu.be/A4SYgVPiFbo
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 09, 2020, 08:57:16 PM
Gotta like that guy Dankie, the rest were trash.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 09, 2020, 09:03:20 PM
Is this something like? :)
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 09, 2020, 09:21:19 PM
Jack Durban says SM was a real trickster and could not be trusted.

Magnet pulls a reed switch.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Anti.Semitic on February 09, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
sometimes a few simple words expressed at the right time give great insight;

the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other: https://youtu.be/7nc8g-d9kSQ

educate, it matters!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 09, 2020, 10:02:31 PM
I'm tired of you acting like you know when you dont. You suck @ electronics and in making stuff.

I have yet to see an impressive thing from you, and you have the dumbest name ever yet you act like such an Alpha its scary, I wonder if you are not some australian bushwacker, serial killer type hillbilly.

Calm yourself down... And your crew. Your design is very unimpressive.

You must ask yourself, and your hillbilly crew. What are you doing with the "node position" of a standing wave, how are you interracting with any of these zones right now? This video, that video, that Video, this video, that video....SLAP... Calm yourselves.

How is Don Smith getting a 1/4 wave of anything with those funny short coils? Ask yourself... Its lightspeed remember, or maybe 95% of that depending on line. If he uses antenna shortening techniques you must study impedance techniques that makes it "appear" its a longer antenna.

Video this, video that... Pass the potato...

Magnetic regauging, magnetic regauging... Yes. But No...

You are on a trip, while I on the other hand am looking for underlings. That is the role you underlings dont seem to understand.

If I ask you a few questions you will falter quick and I will see it as quicksand.

First, you must ask yourself how exactly you can create a double direction coil system that does not take too much wire lenght.

Well double direction will happen but lightspeed makes it difficult, and you must obey rules.



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Anti.Semitic on February 09, 2020, 10:09:47 PM
I'm tired of you acting like you know when you dont. You suck @ electronics and in making stuff.

I have yet to see an impressive thing from you, and you have the dumbest name ever yet you act like such an Alpha its scary, I wonder if you are not some australian bushwacker, serial killer type hillbilly.

Calm yourself down... And your crew. Your design is very unimpressive.

You must ask yourself, and your hillbilly crew. What are you doing with the "node position" of a standing wave, how are you interracting with any of these zones right now? This video, that video, that Video, this video, that video....SLAP... Calm yourselves.

How is Don Smith getting a 1/4 wave of anything with those funny short coils? Ask yourself... Its lightspeed remember, or maybe 95% of that depending on line. If he uses antenna shortening techniques you must study impedance techniques that makes it "appear" its a longer antenna.

Video this, video that... Pass the potato...

Magnetic regauging, magnetic regauging... Yes. But No...

You are on a trip, while I on the other hand am looking for underlings. That is the role you underlings dont seem to understand.

If I ask you a few questions you will falter quick and I will see it as quicksand.

First, you must ask yourself how exactly you can create a double direction coil system that does not take too much wire lenght.

Well double direction will happen but lightspeed makes it difficult, and you must obey rules.

tantrum escalated!

Stevens words not mine, but perhaps you missed the important stuff?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 09, 2020, 10:13:02 PM
Speaking of SLAP.

Watch @ 45 seconds+

What happens to the position in space that messes with a node? Or antinode?

Does it..."resist and grip on space itself"... How would you even do this Silly boy...

Explain to me your sequence of event? Wel.. I have one, I have my own calculations. As it regards a toroidal arrangement.

They are much more complicated to imagine than linear re-engineering. And undeserving fools dont deserve such designs.


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 09, 2020, 10:46:55 PM
Jack Durban says SM was a real trickster and could not be trusted.

Magnet pulls a reed switch.

... Jack Durban says SM was a real trickster and could not be trusted.
why did he say that must have a reason. Maybe other than the truth about the device. Look! the company now belongs to a company in United Arab Emirates and you think they want patent disclosure. I found one that belongs to SM and is under a different name and another company as he said. It describes a different device but there are many similarities with TPU. Maybe there are 14 patents or maybe they are, or maybe they are in the safe and have never been filed as patents.

... Magnet pulls a reed switch.
yes I agree.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 09, 2020, 10:57:48 PM
Link me to this toroid patent...?

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 09, 2020, 11:20:46 PM
...Steven Mark completed his earthly journey on Monday, November 11, 2019  ?? ?!!

Is this the Steven Mark? really
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 10, 2020, 05:16:33 AM
Very funny he is nothing like this photo you have supplied!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 10, 2020, 05:22:03 AM
Is this something like? :)
thats just a 2D toroidal transformer
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 10, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Very funny he is nothing like this photo you have supplied!

Not for funny!
Do you know him personally?
Do you have his picture? today.

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 10, 2020, 09:00:09 AM
Yes the fat white guy far right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo

I looked into this 20 years ago I think you might find SM isn't his real name and he offered the device to the US Guv and NASA
so we all know what the US is like so he might not have any control over it anymore.

And he has got to be in his 70's by now.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 10, 2020, 09:54:52 AM
> > 9-4-2005 
> > Dear Stefan,
...
>>  I  have even explained that they can check public records to verify  that no  person named Steven Marks, or etc. has ever been arrested for  fraud as claimed.
ALL of the information is verifiably wrong. No  one named Steven
Marks was ever born in Pennsylvania on the dates  posted. NONE of the addresses for Steven Marks exist according to US  postal authorities. . .
It is suspicions to me that no one ever bothers to check the
validity of  anything they past on their Web sites. Now they are even saying that I have  been arrested for indecent behavior!
<<


worked at UEC corporation - 3820 Charles Page Boulevard Tulsa Oklahoma 74129 ***Universal Energy Corporation***

! TULSA !

see patents: Steven D. Mark

now: https://www.google.pl/search?q=steven+mark++tulsa

Steven D. Mark = Steven vanDalsen Mark

he should be 62-70 years old now looking at the video.

Maybe his name is false but would he patent a false name?
I think it's his real personal data because if I wanted to hide real data I would be called John Smith. Steven Mark - this is not a common surname and first name.

We don't have enough information to confirm this, but something doesn't fit here.
However, the devices can be real, but also all movies can be fake for investors. I'm sorry but that's just my opinion.
Maybe Mannix will tell us more now! PLEASE!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: lancaIV on February 10, 2020, 12:27:22 PM
Steve Daniel Mark aka Steven Marks aka Stephen Mark  .... !?
Inthe old articles about this inventor only Daniel is to read as second firstname  !

The problem with company names :international there can exist same named companies but working in different branches !
So the VAE company does not need to have an historical relationship with the Marks related UEC  !
www.overunityresearch.com (http://www.overunityresearch.com) the Doleshal papers : probably the UEC ( was)  not U.S. registered but in Australia  !
Sincerely
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 10, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
Ok the researchers of the past were simply garbage.

Complete dog shits from 2008 when YT was in full swing.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Think of this circuit

You have 3 "wired or" MOSFETS sharing a transmission line. Maybe some of these mosfets were more distant to the line end/termination than the others Think of how weird it would be if the terminaiton was a loop, likewise, think of how it would be easy to adjust antenna size with just sme cheap foil that you can shorten and cut. How would you match a node to another node? Think..... I ask Question.

I almost have a toroid circuit, right here, of what I wanna try, a toroid what many frequencies and "control" coils.

Now a new thought, in the dynamics of a line charging event(point where reflections occur to then die out and let DC be DC according to specs of lines etc), Would it not be possible for many currents and reflections to meet at a specific point. Maybe, they can all meet in a big sphere point. with LARGE surface? Yes it will be an impedance missmatch and be itself a cause for reflection, but it just seems possible that perpendicular currents could occur.

At perpendicular angles this time. Wouldnt that be special?

But now, having a "node" is not all that fantastic in itself, because we know the try reside in a secondary process to those nodes.


Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 10, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
Ok the researchers of the past were simply garbage.

Complete dog shits from 2008 when YT was in full swing.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Think of this circuit

You have 3 "wired or" MOSFETS sharing a transmission line. Maybe some of these mosfets were more distant to the line end/termination than the others Think of how weird it would be if the terminaiton was a loop, likewise, think of how it would be easy to adjust antenna size with just sme cheap foil that you can shorten and cut. How would you match a node to another node? Think..... I ask Question.

alloy duct tape with 2 layers and an insulator

Now a new thought, in the dynamics of a line charging event(the point where reflections occur to then die out and let DC be DC according to specs of lines, etc), Would it not be possible for many currents and reflections to meet at a specific point. Maybe, they can all meet in a big sphere point. with the LARGE surface? Yes, it will be an impedance mismatch and be itself a cause for reflection, but it just seems possible that perpendicular currents could occur.

At perpendicular angles this time. Wouldnt that be special? sure would be

But now, having a "node" is not all that fantastic in itself, because we know the try reside in a secondary process to those nodes.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 10, 2020, 03:23:07 PM
Nah...

You match the stuff with another method.

You have 3 oscillators.

How do you match nodes.

Now they are all positive fed from the same side remember, and all use either P or N MOSFET. Probably P.

How you get... A good node, a good weird thing going on.

THINK! ALL THE BS YOU EVER SAID OR HEARD IS ALMOST THERE.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 10, 2020, 03:35:32 PM
Imagine this fucked up scenario...

I tell you, I start thinking of these scenarios easily now.

If you understand that reflection happens, and nodes, you can imagine waves very easily and be creative with nodes and combinations, timing or other circuit.

Back to my scenario.

Perpendicular nodes on a circular plate, so 4 connetions...

Or maybe there could be 3 plates, one grounded plane, and 2 outside plates, wich would have perpendicular connections, so 2 connecions on 1 plate and 2 on the other.

2 pulsing coils near each face.

Maybe a toroid surrounding this.

Basically just weird experiments on the same build you know... How you you rip out the contrated charge out of a plate and hack the system?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: MasterPlaster on February 10, 2020, 03:37:52 PM
Is this something like? :)
Which Patent is this from?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: retrod on February 10, 2020, 06:45:59 PM
Yes the fat white guy far right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo)

I looked into this 20 years ago I think you might find SM isn't his real name and he offered the device to the US Guv and NASA
so we all know what the US is like so he might not have any control over it anymore.

And he has got to be in his 70's by now.


Photo here too??? [size=78%]https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/steven-mark/anaheim-california/steven-mark-steven-mark-steven-daniel-mark-steven-mark-fraud-scam-artist-con-man-anahe-1386197 (https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/steven-mark/anaheim-california/steven-mark-steven-mark-steven-daniel-mark-steven-mark-fraud-scam-artist-con-man-anahe-1386197)[/size]





Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 10, 2020, 06:59:07 PM
Seems funny that he would go through the trouble of hiring somebody like Jack Durban to make stuff for him.

Anyways if the feds and Saudis/CIA got hold of it you cna bet your ass they would protect/encourage SM to steal the rich peasants.

As punishment for being unruly.

They''ll bleed you dry and stahll your ass in court, they dont care.

200,000$ gives you the right to a SLAP in the face.

Anyways, if SM sold the right to the Saudi company, then he cant cant sell those rights again now can he?

I dont think these Saudi people like it when you breach a contract dont you think?

I'm pretty sure all rights were sold EXCLUSIVELY, to whoever paid that ransom. And that probably had some serious legal papers.

I would be surprised if SM would ever entertain such things to Mr Doleshal.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 10, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
Seems funny that he would go through the trouble of hiring somebody like Jack Durban to make stuff for him.

Anyways if the feds and Saudis/CIA got hold of it you cna bet your ass they would protect/encourage SM to steal the rich peasants.

As punishment for being unruly.

They''ll bleed you dry and stahll your ass in court, they dont care.

200,000$ gives you the right to a SLAP in the face.

Anyways, if SM sold the right to the Saudi company, then he cant cant sell those rights again now can he?

I dont think these Saudi people like it when you breach a contract dont you think?

I'm pretty sure all rights were sold EXCLUSIVELY, to whoever paid that ransom. And that probably had some serious legal papers.

I would be surprised if SM would ever entertain such things to Mr Doleshal.

I think there are two options:
1. The device is fake! the movies are a performance.
2. The device is real, the movies are also real but nobody has ever paid $ 25 million and was looking for a real investor. It was all waiting.

He had to pay bills so he played on time.

Everyone wants a million dollars and maybe that's why there are no devices or everybody cheats in performing. At 30 years there were dozens of such devices so what is more likely?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: masster on February 11, 2020, 10:20:23 AM
@r2fpl
You can forget about Steven Marks. He is a fraud. The so called 'invention' it wasn't his. He only organized a show, short enough to fool people before the hidden batteries discharge. Such crooks make a bad name to a real scientific current.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 11, 2020, 10:56:07 AM
@r2fpl
You can forget about Steven Marks. He is a fraud. The so called 'invention' it wasn't his. He only organized a show, short enough to fool people before the hidden batteries discharge. Such crooks make a bad name to a real scientific current.

Witnesses say that the device was real but SM was not honest so I don't care who did not pay or who did not give money but whether the device is possible to build.
There will always be people who will be unhappy because they didn't get anything.

The device weighed 12 ounces (340gr) and gave 60W for 30 min before it warmed up. What batteries ???? !!!!!
Approx. if the bulb was modified and replaced tungsten for 3V @ 10W? or something similar but the other device worked for 3 hours.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 11, 2020, 12:39:27 PM
whats your Russian speaking and reading like?
SM's black rings are a give away I mean how much are rechargeable ones
they would last about 32 mins at 60 watts. you would need about 25 at least
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 11, 2020, 01:08:58 PM
People getting in a group, acting a fool?

Shake this coil full of batteries.... Oo, it vibrates.  ;D ;D ;D

I dont know man, I can recognize bad actors.

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 12:36:52 AM
"Think of the output as dc (pulsed) 5khz with lots of Hash in it."


Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 12, 2020, 01:42:55 AM
"Think of the output as dc (pulsed) 5khz with lots of Hash in it."


Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8
The Pizo electric transducer plates look's a similar idea to a device a guy some years ago now
was showing on youtube which he used a modified relay and a bunch of piezo's pulsed and collected to fly back power
to light bulbs that flickered somewhat but worked, but after a week or so his sie was taken down and disappeared
he used the name 'Cain Dingle' obviously a soap fan.
Raymondo
 
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 03:30:17 AM
Where did you hear him say piezo? As far as i know he is using aluminum and bismuth sheets with those thin wire coils between them.

The Pizo electric transducer plates look's a similar idea to a device a guy some years ago now
was showing on youtube which he used a modified relay and a bunch of piezo's pulsed and collected to fly back power
to light bulbs that flickered somewhat but worked, but after a week or so his sie was taken down and disappeared
he used the name 'Cain Dingle' obviously a soap fan.
Raymondo
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 03:35:50 AM
What i also find strange is that as far as i know no one here successfully replicated Peter Markovich's A.T.R.E.E, old and detailed thread.

I also like the simple principle inventor claims, that etheric substance travels greater distance through the thin wire coil than the copper rod and since there is relative speed between the two streams, it self resists, that is, is converted down to electricity, slower type of energy.

https://overunity.com/2839/disclosed-peter-markovich-and-his-essential-a-t-r-e-e/
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 12, 2020, 09:26:55 AM
SM replied in emails that there are NO piezoelectric elements.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 12, 2020, 09:32:11 AM
SM replied in emails that there are NO piezoelectric elements.
Re Nix85

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8

I couldn't say SM does but then we weren't discussing his device.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 12, 2020, 09:44:13 AM
Re Nix85

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8

I couldn't say SM does but then we weren't discussing his device.

I know you're talking about ZPE and I'm saying SM didn't have these elements either.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 12, 2020, 09:46:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8

He has not found an investor for several years. Now he travels around India with this device. There is a video on YT.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 09:50:52 AM
Re Nix85

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8

I couldn't say SM does but then we weren't discussing his device.

I asked you for Schwartz, where did he mention piezo.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 12, 2020, 01:33:57 PM
No piezos there from the looks of it, does that answer your question?

He is sending 5 signals... In a sort of positive fed system 1 wire excitation, unless its grounded from another point.

Its an information Vacuum, take your best guess.

I lack the chemical science expertise to know what kind of plates he really made for himself, I think theres a catch-22.



Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
I asked Raycathode why he even mentioned piezo.

I know he is sending 5 signals. 1 wire? Where did he say he uses one wire.

I told him he is a thief in the email, first he didn't respond until i touched his ego by saying he even stole those rods.

He is known to have intentionally lied that rods are made of 73 elements just so people would never understand how simple it really is.

It is stated on his indiegogo page or gofundme that he uses aluminum and bismuth sheets with those frequencies he keeps 'secret'. He also talks about some material that behaves opposite to normal conductors, but that is probably his another 73 elements lie. He might tho be using some p-type semiconductor material which is known to interact with negative energy.

MAY IT BE SAID HERE, HAVING READ DWELLER ON TWO PLANETS CIRCA THREE TIMES, THAT I AM ASHAMED WE, ATLANTIS RETURNED, DONT EVEN KNOW, AT LEAST NOT ON WIDE SCALE, TO HARNESS THIS NEGATIVE, REFLECTED ENERGY, THAT FLOYD SWEET AND MANY OTHERS USED AND DISCOVERED IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH COLD AND LEVITATION, SOMETHING WE USED IN POSEIDA AS COMMON AS WE USE THIS PRIMITIVE "HOT" ELECTRICITY TODAY. SO BE IT. TO FINISH IN ATLANTEAN LANGUAGE... "AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MU" OR "TO KNOW GOD IS TO KNOW ALL WORLDS".

No piezos there from the looks of it, does that answer your question?

He is sending 5 signals... In a sort of positive fed system 1 wire excitation, unless its grounded from another point.

Its an information Vacuum, take your best guess.

I lack the chemical science expertise to know what kind of plates he really made for himself, I think theres a catch-22.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 12, 2020, 04:48:14 PM
I asked Raycathode why he even mentioned piezo.
Because its relevant material and what about the coils and the security codes stopping someone snatching it?
and why ask me I told you what I know.

I know he is sending 5 signals. 1 wire? Where did he say he uses one wire. Serial data (the gold wire  it works better at HF) in his video

I told him he is a thief in the email, first, he didn't respond until I touched his ego by saying he even stole those rods.

He is known to have intentionally lied that rods are made of 73 elements just so people would never understand how simple it really is. some metals react and produce a current flow until the reaction resolves the material

It is stated on his indiegogo page or gofundme that he uses aluminum and bismuth sheets with those frequencies he keeps 'secret'. He also talks about some material that behaves opposite to normal conductors, but that is probably his other 73 elements lie. He might tho be using some p-type semiconductor material which is known to interact with negative energy.
his 73 elements could be just 3 or 4 basic ones but in multiple layers and his wave, I bet he uses nano pulsing in some way to disrupt reality to produse cold electricity in modulated blocks.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 05:03:52 PM
his 73 elements could be just 3 or 4 basic ones but in multiple layers and his wave, I bet he uses nano pulsing in some way to disrupt reality to produse cold electricity in modulated blocks.

First of all don't reply inside quotes.

"Because its relevant material and what about the coils and the security codes stopping someone snatching it? and why ask me I told you what I know."

You mentioned it, while i agree it is relevant in general, you did not yet provide reason for mentioning it here. He is not using crystals.

"Serial data (the gold wire  it works better at HF) in his video"

What kind of answer is that. So you just assumed he uses one wire and then go with it.

For rods, as far as i know it is just graphite with possibly p and n type doping on alternate poles. I don't think he uses any excitation.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 12, 2020, 06:59:03 PM
About Ark's ERR
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: e2matrix on February 12, 2020, 08:02:14 PM
his 73 elements could be just 3 or 4 basic ones but in multiple layers and his wave, I bet he uses nano pulsing in some way to disrupt reality to produse cold electricity in modulated blocks.
When I saw this video years ago it was my opinion that he was actually talking about element 73 or Tantalum.   Don Smith also mentioned this somewhere in one of his writings where there were two rods - one element 73 and on element 72 (or was it 74?) IIRC.  Element 72 is Hafnium and is used in the nuclear power industry.  They produced power by some method.   
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 09:18:38 PM
"Stack with aluminum, beryllium and Bismuth plates."

No element 73 there, in the last device, i mean.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 12, 2020, 09:55:56 PM
I don't know if you might have realized this if they can produce a Ne De magnet with horrendous magnetic power then it must be possible to do the same with the battery power.

The question is whats stopping them ?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 12, 2020, 11:17:31 PM
Toward the end of the video above Schwartz says his frequencies got a lot to do with Schuman, so probably some harmonic of 7,83Hz.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: onepower on February 13, 2020, 01:48:53 AM
The common thread most cannot seem to wrap there mind around is that the big boys like T.H.Moray, Tesla, SM, Benitez and such said it was so simple even a child could understand it. I believe Alfred Hubbard was basically a child when he invented his first working FE device but apparently billions of intelligent adults today just don't have what it takes, lol. Which makes perfect sense when we consider that the aircraft industry was invented by a couple of bicycle repairmen whom everyone said would never succeed. The critics said it was impossible and like trying to pull ones self up by there bootstraps *giggle*.  Not so fucking smart now are they?.

So whomever thinks there is some secret sauce or alien elements or black holes in the space time continuum are obviously off side. Oh but we see the secret black ops-dark web circuits and the spiky back emf and the reverse phase locked counter rotating back emf with special back-forth-left-right-up-down windings and a sprinkle of fairy dust to condition the wire insulation. This is why I drink beer.

The real problem in my opinion is that 99% here don't even understand the basics of electrodynamics. What are the three primary fields (Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) which dictate the action of everything?. What is electricity, not what these things supposedly do but what they are and why do they act like they do?. All the important stuff, all the real knowledge and intimate understanding of what nature is and why it acts like it does would seem to be missing in action.

What SM absolutely nailed in my opinion is when he said all we really need to understand is all the things that happen when a one foot length of wire is "induced". I mean it's just a simple piece of wire, just like a simple wing like we see on birds every day but apparently 99% of people have very real problems with this. Yes it's a shit show and yes most seem to prefer returning to the dark ages however no matter who we are or where we are everyone has the capacity to change, to learn and to evolve.

I would suggest not "parroting" the usual BS click bait we see here and talking like real people about things that actually matter.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: FriskyFritz on February 13, 2020, 07:39:41 AM
The best SM Video I have seen came from Chris! Yes I am a member of his forum and learnt lots.
Onepower, I tend to agree with your post!
So many are lazy! Think they already know it all when they know SFA! There are so many try hard's!
Chris asked some of us to come here and try to help others here learn what we have learnt, but they all know it all already, none of them want to learn anything! They think they already know it all! I have learnt a lot in a short time! I am greatful for what has been given to me!
Only a small portion of the population are going to make it through the next decade!
Fritz
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 13, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
Im sure it has been mentioned here already that SM did not invent this device, that it is a patent from the sixties i think or early seventies he "borrowed".
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 13, 2020, 05:36:01 PM
I got a couple TPU designs and theories.

Call them wild but they are complete. I just vary the flavors.

What about you?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 13, 2020, 07:54:53 PM
https://overunity.com/14307/acoustic-magnetic-generator/45/
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 13, 2020, 09:27:59 PM
Nevermind.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 14, 2020, 04:52:25 PM
you would need a lot of them or get one of those road tiles and a large bank of solenoids
but would the loses be greater than the gain is the question.
;D ;D
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Bob Smith on February 15, 2020, 04:12:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO8cwG7MtM8)

He has not found an investor for several years. Now he travels around India with this device. There is a video on YT.
It appears he's heterodyning the 5 frequencies. Probably harvesting the standing wave.
It also appears to me that it's load-driven, rather than source driven
It also appears to me that it's an open circuit, as opposed to a closed loop system; this enables the device to utilize the infinite reservoir of ambient charge to power devices hooked up to it.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 15, 2020, 04:52:57 AM
I read today that Faraday said, i paraphrase, "what a coil is to magnetism, so is capacitor to gravity". I don't know the source, or whether he really said it, i read it in Cramp's book on antigravity, but in either case it's true.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 15, 2020, 11:09:16 AM
It appears he's heterodyning the 5 frequencies. Probably harvesting the standing wave.
It also appears to me that it's load-driven, rather than source driven
It also appears to me that it's an open circuit, as opposed to a closed loop system; this enables the device to utilize the infinite reservoir of ambient charge to power devices hooked up to it.

I agree  -  harvesting

That is why there is no patent and investors. There are many solutions but the first is from Tesla. Coils and antenna design are noteworthy.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 15, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
Maybe its not open circuit, maybe its shorted also.

He doesnt even seem to care  thats the funny thing.

But just saying those things is still FAR FAR FAR FAR away.

He's tricky guy honestly, I doubt he would show this without being sure you cant replicate.

Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 15, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
Most devices such as Moray, Hendershot, Steven Mark, Coler and the current obtained energy from the source of electromagnetic waves.
1. All transmitters generated from humans: radar, military stations, radio, tv etc. additionally the energy flow to the ground.
2. waves of origin of the earth. (LF)

The difference why such devices can not be repeated now is simple!
There are no more powerful RF transmitters that were in 1900-1960.
radar, radio and other military broadcasts.

Zpower - works on the principle of many antennas and collects the signal in one DC current through a Tesla converter. He solved the problem by placing several dozen antennas. He said that every anetna gives little energy but connects them together and gets a dozen watts.
When it turns on the device, it scans the environment and sets the impedances for each antenna separately or by specifying harmonics. This is the most interesting how he solved it. On one of the recordings he has a meter that showed him a high reading and said wow. This means that the value was the equivalent of power or amount of signal strength that it collected from the environment.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 15, 2020, 12:06:28 PM
You seem to have seen videos that are no longer available.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 15, 2020, 12:18:04 PM
The difference why such devices can not be repeated now is simple!
There are no more powerful RF transmitters that were in 1900-1960.
radar, radio and other military broadcasts.

Not true. There are etheric currents that blast us in all directions day and night.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 15, 2020, 12:46:20 PM
"He (Tesla) calculated that Earth resonates at 6, 18 and 30 Hz[citation needed]. He later tried to verify this with equipment he built on Long Island. Actually, Tesla was close to the mark: Earth resonates at 8, 14 and 30 Hz"

There are 3 of 5 Shwartz's frequencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances#History
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 15, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
Not true. There are etheric currents that blast us in all directions day and night.

https://integratron.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/OCT_NOV_DEC-1974.pdf

see: ...for religious and scientific research

Bla bla bla ! 98% BS !
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 15, 2020, 01:29:25 PM
https://integratron.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/OCT_NOV_DEC-1974.pdf

see: ...for religious and scientific research

Bla bla bla ! 98% BS !

People like you thought earth is flat few centuries back, many still do.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 15, 2020, 01:38:49 PM
People like you thought earth is flat few centuries back, many still do.

You are very wrong. Don't judge me just the facts.
Such brochures look like information for religious sects and have nothing to do with science. They are to give confidence to followers that only they know everything and others are unworthy.

Find confirmation in such a modern device. Show me that ?!
It's funny to believe in a black cat and witches on brooms.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 15, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
I have to agree with r2pl this is garbage and a pain to read.

Take a fucking ignorant hobo down the street, ask him to write about Tesla.

Is the result of that book, and many other books.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 15, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
You are very wrong. Don't judge me just the facts.
Such brochures look like information for religious sects and have nothing to do with science. They are to give confidence to followers that only they know everything and others are unworthy.

Find confirmation in such a modern device. Show me that ?!
It's funny to believe in a black cat and witches on brooms.

No, you are wrong. Religious stuff aside, all i referred to are etheric currents that have and are being tapped as source of energy.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: r2fpl on February 15, 2020, 02:23:47 PM
No, you are wrong. Religious stuff aside, all i referred to are etheric currents that have and are being tapped as source of energy.

It is important who publishes such brochures and for what purpose. Sects very often refer to paranormal knowledge or derived from persons to whom no one will have objections, e.g. Tesla.
You have to be careful about it and be able to choose what is valuable.

Saying that someone once received such waves and had energy and now nobody can repeat it is important in understanding what they received and how or for what. What was the purpose?
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 15, 2020, 02:32:18 PM
It is important who publishes such brochures and for what purpose. Sects very often refer to paranormal knowledge or derived from persons to whom no one will have objections, e.g. Tesla.
You have to be careful about it and be able to choose what is valuable.

Saying that someone once received such waves and had energy and now nobody can repeat it is important in understanding what they received and how or for what. What was the purpose?

I already said Tassel is not important as a character nor his little "cult". He is a real contactee and important one but that is not the subject here. Focus on the quoted text from the german book.
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: Raycathode on February 15, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
Who wants to listen to you lot arguing about religion and whether or not you think consciousness exists
after death or not based on what you think or don't think, the fact is there is billions of footage of Ghosts and demonic entities like the Gin
and satanic minions and flies.

If you're in the US it's difficult to know what real and whats surppressed by your Babylonian government.

Get your self a night vision camera with near IR or IR spectrum capability and go somewhere that haunted and get the real facts for your self.

Point is if there are Satanic eval beings we can't see then there must be good energy with positive intentions your ignoring and
wrongly advising others what's what, you need to think for your self, statistics can be falsified to manipulate you!
But that's only what I know from experience  :) :)

Raymondo
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: forest on February 15, 2020, 08:15:30 PM
Looks to me like The curse of Oak island  :D Lots of theories and mythical statements, nothing solid... but the main problem is that nobody have the resources and money to check and find facts.In period 1918 - 1930 it is possible that some Tesla magnifying transmitter existed if not on Wardenclyffe then somewhere in Canada. That's unfortunate because  we know how many inventors of free energy devices lived in that period of time. Most of devices was never patented , or patents are totally messed up cryptic and not understandable. However there are many patents with quite clear  description , without any visible hidden elements, yet nobody is trying to replicate them. That's the main reason we are today in situation of wholeword crysis - those who have power do not want to build free energy for masses. so the curse of free energy island will be continued ... Show must go on!
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 15, 2020, 11:25:28 PM
I mistakenly said SM borrowed his device from a 70's patent. My mistake arose from mistaking "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976" for year of publishing, BUT close cooperate guy who gave a long interview about SM available in multipart YT vid, said he did INDEED steal the patent, but i don't think he noted the original inventor.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061212232445/http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 16, 2020, 02:24:24 AM
Good video on discovery of electrons and protons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBgIMRV895w

Hard disc head

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/HDD_read-write_head.jpg
Title: Re: Steven Marks secret
Post by: nix85 on February 18, 2020, 09:00:22 AM
Amazing vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2EWeOVCO5o