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« Reply #330 on: December 09, 2009, 04:15:10 PM »
In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:

When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?  If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.  What does this do?

IMHO when cap discharges power supply is shorted to motor coils but the problem is in commutator.You should see how complicated is that system.
There is at least 3 resonant circuits here and all dependent on each other.

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« Reply #331 on: December 09, 2009, 05:00:35 PM »
IMHO when cap discharges power supply is shorted to motor coils but the problem is in commutator.You should see how complicated is that system.
There is at least 3 resonant circuits here and all dependent on each other.

In the patent, US568177, Tesla gives a very brief explanation of how it works.  He never mentions resonance and states that the frequency of the discharge current can be varied at will.  The primary (M) and the seocndary (N) probably are resonant to achieve very high potential, but I don't see why the rest of the circuit would be resonant. 

After reading the patent several times and making a few sketches to try and figure it out, the only thing I see that is interesting is if the HV from the capacitor (L) is switched into the low voltage circuit that drives the motor. 

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« Reply #332 on: December 09, 2009, 05:31:10 PM »
In the patent, US568177, Tesla gives a very brief explanation of how it works.  He never mentions resonance and states that the frequency of the discharge current can be varied at will.  The primary (M) and the seocndary (N) probably are resonant to achieve very high potential, but I don't see why the rest of the circuit would be resonant. 

After reading the patent several times and making a few sketches to try and figure it out, the only thing I see that is interesting is if the HV from the capacitor (L) is switched into the low voltage circuit that drives the motor.

This is because you didn't read Tesla lectures,notes and newspapers articles.
Resonant circuits here:
1. Motor coils with capacitance of power supply wires in series
2. Motor coils + primary M with capacitor L in series
3. Capacitor L with primary M in parallel
4. Primary M with secondary N with capacitance plates P P

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« Reply #332 on: December 09, 2009, 05:31:10 PM »
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« Reply #333 on: December 09, 2009, 07:44:57 PM »
Much of the ozone patent is analyzed and explained in this thread;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.0

@Magluvin

I saw your video. Nice toys you have to play with but there is one thing I think that is wrong with your Don Smith style transformer.

Seems to me the primary wire gauge should be the thicker wire with fewer turns, and the secondary should be the finer wire with more turns. That will give you proper weight relationship. The primary wire should weigh the same as the secondary wire since if you are dealing with direct transfer the masses should be the same or near.

Mind you, this will give you greater flyback so get ready to catch it and it will give you much more secondary output.

But right now, I think your primary is only tickling the secondary when it should be hammering it hard. Or, for now, just make a new primary with thicker wire and keep the secondary as is.

Now I understand you are doing this with one 1.5 volt battery but if you every manage to find a nice coil that is about 140 ohms, you can then do some small testing of the ozone patent and watch voltages of 350 volts rise in one manual shorting. That coil would replace the motor coil in the ozone circuit.

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« Reply #334 on: December 09, 2009, 11:55:28 PM »
Wattsup 
Thats my lil meter in my vids that popped a vessel to bemf. =] I have to send it in. If the case had screws or snapped together, Id take a look myself, but it is SEALED.
Thanks for the critique on the transformer. I did go Dons look, in a way, lets just say simple description. The idea of the primary in the center, air cores, and single layer windings intrigues me, as compared to what is commonly done.
The idea for me was that if the secondary is larger in awg vs the primary, and this is just an educated guess, that the larger wire would take on more advantage of the quick on, hv magnetic pulse, which the freq of that off to on time should be high, and be able to produce more current output  due to Skin Effect, because it has more skin. Just a guess. My Beeg coils, meaning larger awg wire in magluvin language, put out some serious current in bemf vs any of my thinner wire coils, yet they dont seemd to consume as much than expected according to their very low ohms, 0.14 ohm 3 in parallel. =0    =]
But I hear what you are saying and will take your advice. Thanks dude. =]
As you can tell, I have legitimate thoughts.
Gota go to work, Ill be back later, I hope we can continue this subject later if you dont mind, and good lookin out and thanks again.
Magluvin

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« Reply #335 on: December 10, 2009, 03:09:42 AM »
This is because you didn't read Tesla lectures,notes and newspapers articles.
Resonant circuits here:
1. Motor coils with capacitance of power supply wires in series
2. Motor coils + primary M with capacitor L in series
3. Capacitor L with primary M in parallel
4. Primary M with secondary N with capacitance plates P P

I'm sure that you are an expert on Tesla's work, and since you are then you know that resonance was just a means to build up a great potential.  If resonance equaled OU, we would have been through searching a long time ago.  So many talk of resonance, but they keep looking for OU.

You might do yourself a favor and take another look at the Ozone patent and then ask yourself "why" I posed the question to Tito.

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« Reply #336 on: December 10, 2009, 10:53:35 AM »
I'm sure that you are an expert on Tesla's work, and since you are then you know that resonance was just a means to build up a great potential.  If resonance equaled OU, we would have been through searching a long time ago.  So many talk of resonance, but they keep looking for OU.

You might do yourself a favor and take another look at the Ozone patent and then ask yourself "why" I posed the question to Tito.

I think you asked Tito about the same I would ask him : how he is getting energy out of resonance without disturbing it. Ozone patent is one method unfortunately with embodiment only for electrochemical reaction in gases and liquids maybe.
I'm not an expert , I have just done a little researching and seems that producing ozone with a method described by Tesla require huge amount of UV radiation which means huge electric power.of course we can easily produce small amount of ozone using HV and metal with sharp edges but here we have flat surface of big area.

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« Reply #337 on: December 10, 2009, 01:03:25 PM »
   There is no hot current through an ozone cell.  There is a load though.  The ozone cell is a capacitor.  In parallel with a hvoltage transformer.   The electric field produced between the two large insulated electrodes appears to be able to do work.  Another capacitor Tesla made was one that relies on parasitic capacitance.  It was a bifilar pancake coil.  What usually stops an oscillation from oscillating is the resistance in the circuit.  In the Tesla capacitor coil the resistance associated with conductors between discrete components in a rlc circuit is minimized as the inductor is also employed as the capacitor.  The bifilar pancake coil is a capacitor but it does not store charge it stores the whole enchilada.  Every input from the scource remains in the coil capacitor.  After a couple of days of input of a watt or so imagine the density of the standing waves in that field.  The field energy density gives rise to a very pervasive relativity based on the mass residing in a spacetime point. The coil gets more massive.  Begins to accelerate stuff. 
« Last Edit: December 10, 2009, 01:36:47 PM by sparks »

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« Reply #338 on: December 10, 2009, 01:52:59 PM »
   There is no hot current through an ozone cell.  There is a load though.  The ozone cell is a capacitor.  In parallel with a hvoltage transformer.   The electric field produced between the two large insulated electrodes appears to be able to do work.  Another capacitor Tesla made was one that relies on parasitic capacitance.  It was a bifilar pancake coil.  What usually stops an oscillation from oscillating is the resistance in the circuit.  In the Tesla capacitor coil the resistance associated with conductors between discrete components in a rlc circuit is minimized as the inductor is also employed as the capacitor.  The bifilar pancake coil is a capacitor but it does not store charge it stores the whole enchilada.  Every input from the scource remains in the coil capacitor.  After a couple of days of input of a watt or so imagine the density of the standing waves in that field.  The field energy density gives rise to a very pervasive relativity based on the mass residing in a spacetime point. The coil gets more massive.  Begins to accelerate stuff. 

ozone generator ............. glow discharge plasma ?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/s_gdp4.htm

see power measurement

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« Reply #339 on: December 10, 2009, 02:14:46 PM »
of course yes! not just very high voltage but very very high voltage thats why be very careful, you can make your own high voltage caps, me i'm using two coils as caps ok. 

try to wear an aluminum insulated to you as a safety precaution so that if accidentally made a lightning, you are save by the bell ok  ;D

oops i'm telling everything goodbye  ;D

Tito,
In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:

When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?  If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.  What does this do?



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« Reply #341 on: December 10, 2009, 03:02:05 PM »
Steven Mark :
"Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand".
I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it.
In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"

Think about implications for interconnected resonant systems.

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« Reply #343 on: December 10, 2009, 04:02:09 PM »
Steven Mark :
"Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand".
I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it.
In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"

Think about implications for interconnected resonant systems.

An example of this is the modern home intercom system. You just plug each station into a separate wall outlet and the com signal travels through the AC line and is captured by the other stations.
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« Reply #344 on: December 10, 2009, 04:51:36 PM »
In regards to the Ozone patent and associated circuit:
1) When the cap discharges through the primary coil (M), are the coils for the motor (D and F) are also connected to the power supply?
2) If so, this switches the HV from the capacitor (L) over the low voltage from the power supply.
3) What does this do?

1) Yes the negative of the complete circuit goes through the motor coil. But you have to look at it like short noshort.

Notice that Telsa always used an armature in his commutator motors when he knew the circuit will be pulsing thus having off states, the energy held in the armature is required to keep the rotor turning during this off state. So he is taking the energy even in the armature of his device to do that while the feed source is disrupted and this energy is also used to keep the commutator moving while also turning a fan to move air through the ozone chamber. That clears you for the rest of the energy play.

It's like he was listening to Mozart when he made this device. The device would work like a symphony with all the parts playing their roles at the same time, reverse left swing, reverse right swing.

2) & 3) Yes part of the device function is to put back energy into the source which is usually a battery setup.

Capacitors discharge when connected, inductors discharge when disconnected. Resonance is a function of both these actions happening in the highest sync possible given their two parameters. Proof, change the capacitor value and your resonance frequency will change. Same goes for the inductor or coil. So everything is relative to how deep your inductor can take a charge when connected to release it into the circuit and how many mF the capacitor has to take all the release in when it passes the low resistance primary working circuit. Now what actually happens is a continuous reversing of polarity over the primary. So the number of segments on the commutator had to be matched to the expected cycles of the motor rpm to produce the required pulsing frequency of the circuit and the components were chosen for their specific values given these set parameters. And yes, in a subset device he has a control for the motor coil to vary the spark rate.

In this case Tesla decided to use a short primary on a long secondary to produce high voltage discharges (today we use corona discharge) that crack the oxygen bonds releasing single atoms that then bond to other oxygen atoms to produce ozone at a very economical level because a major part of the used energy is always returned to the source battery.

That's the way Tesla did things at that time. His patents go much deeper then the device itself. He knew that most people including the guys at the patent office will look at these patents and just worry about the nuts and bolts and not realize the true underpinnings that make it work. lol

This is from a long time forum member named @Erfinder;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3972.msg79545#msg79545
You may want to look up his posts on this forum. Me I am just a low leveler.

But, I have learned that there is a big difference between regular resonance and what I would call "full play resonance". You can take any coil and any capacitor and you will eventually find the resonance frequency. But big deal, this means nothing. Take a 1 henry coil and take a 1 picofarad capacitor and you will find the resonance. Take a 1 mH coil and a 1 farad capacitor and you will again find the resonance. But in both cases the exchanged energy is totally insignificant. Now as soon as you match your coil value and your cap value so each will pitch and catch the total energy of the other, then you find your resonance, then you will see what is the difference between a tapping and a hammering action. lol

 

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