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Offline Clarky

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4th Dimensional energy?
« on: March 08, 2006, 02:54:32 AM »
First of all, hey!  :) im new here.

A bit about me Im 21 year's old and an ex design student from Wolverhampton University in England.

I work with animation and conceptual design.

I am totally intrigued by overunity subject matter, overunity obviously meaning your getting more useable work out than your putting into a system, at first I was obviously skeptical  :P.

Ive read alot books, articles, websites, and what makes the most sense to me are Thomas Bearden's talks about 4th dimensional energy and how the atom is already in perpetual motion making our visible universe one giant negative entropy operation in its very essence. Also how present science is trying to explain phenomena such as the Casimir effect, and Aharanov Bohm effect in terms of 3 dimension's clearly failing so they are forced to use a 4th dimension to explain the energy change using it as postulative rather than a reality.

For instance, in quantum physic's they require that there exist virtual particles, which are needed to explain the existance of the observed process. Yet these are considered postulative and not real.. yet without these imaginary pieces it would not function.

So it makes more sense to me anyway, that these perpetual virtual elements are real and are just directly undetectable at present. I find these theories make alot of sense in terms of explaining the link between gravity and electromagnetisim, dark energy, the cosmological constant, and the source charge problem.

I dont mean to patronise  :) Im sure people already know alot of this stuff.

So I honestly think under the context of future theories what some people call perpetual motion will oneday be recognised as a new power source, and that overunity is perfectly acceptable, the only difficulty is right now we dont consider the 4th dimension to be energetic, and that is all that hinder's that understanding.

I believe that alot of our present preconception's of energy under present theory are misguided and a majority of modern science is still thinking too 3 dimensional about the universe, but if you read about higgs boson's and the higg's field I believe all of that is about to change.



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Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 03:31:47 AM »
The problem is that the first three dimensions are spatial dimensions that describe three directions only. 

If a box is 1m squared... you say that it's length, width and height are 1m - and those are the three dimensions.
What about it's position in space?

If the three dimensions are x, y and z... then what about every degree between x and y? Between y and z? Between x and z?

And why call the opposite of x, y, or z negative?  That's the constraint of language on thought.  It's actually a completely different direction.

But all of that was a tangent.  :D  Because those are spacial dimensions.

The true dimensions are those of sight and sound and etc.  To the blind man - light lives outside his dimension.

What science needs to realize in this instance, is that there things we cannot perceive. 

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2006, 08:34:57 PM »
In my opinion Thomas Bearden is a charletan whose influence has probably delayed a wider understanding of free energy as well as it's application.  The people in the Above Top Secret forum take a harsher view of him and describe him as a 'close to the surface misinformationist' for instance.  The problem is that he sounds plausible and authoritive to those who are not scientifically educated but fellow scientists say that his ideas are totally illucid.  Also it does seem odd to me that someone who claims to be so well connected, a colonal in the US army, worked in defense planning, knows people in the itelligence services should be so far off the mark.  There is no fourth dimension or energy in the vacuum.  Free energy comes from the atmosphere. 

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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 09:35:15 PM »
I understand where your coming from.. but Bearden clearly isn't talking about understood atmospherics but rather the energy that comes from quantum potentials that stem from virtual particle flux. The effects of this energy can clearly be seen in certain real world examples such as the casimir effect and the Ahranov Bohm experiment.

If you believe that the energy the atom requires to sustain itself comes from the physical atmosphere then you are sorely mistaken as it's well known that virtual particle flux is required to sustain the physical behaviour of the quantum world, pick up a new scientist and even mainstream science has predicted an all pervasive energy field in particle physics with the search for higgs bosons. Also remember the definition of Dimension is basically a set of values which we cannot detect yet as theorised within string geometry, which applies to this energy field.

So it is only logical to assume there is something else there beyond the physical nature of the universe when we see effects that can't be directly attributed to normal atmospheric effects. Bearden simply is trying to elaborate further on the understanding of these virtual fluctuations and how they interact to create our perception of matter, gravity, EM and time.

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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 09:32:11 AM »
I can be off track but, all I see is One Universal Dimension.

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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2009, 04:06:58 AM »
Between the 4th and 5th dimension is where the 'Plane of the dimension' is located.
Our 3 ordinary dimensions are Length, Width and Height.  The 4th and 5th dimensions are the motion of the planet and outer space.

 According to Kaluza-Klein theorem (1938) between the 4th and 5th is where torque is produced from the high speed motion of the planet (18.5 miles per second).

There is no friction point between the 4th and 5th dimension so the question is "How do we develop torque to drive our machines that are hurtling along through space?"

What is happening in many over unity devices is an acceleration in the light mass particles causes a time rate variation (Relativistic time space contraction) while the heavy mass particles remain non accelerated in the heater or motor coil of our machine and remain at their original clock rate.

The acceleration generated by our machine  produces a contraction in time, causing the light particles to become displaced within the time space continuum; they depart the original inertial frame of reference (the first 4 dimensional aspects of the frame) and temporarily access the "5th" dimension. When they return to the 4th dimension they can not land in their original (Shell) position  in the electric field because their time clock rate has changed. The heavy particles that remain ‘time’ unchanged now attempt to become destabilized while intertwined in the motor or heater field coils of our machine causing the 'Static fields' of the planet to pour energy in to maintain their position in the original inertial frame of reference (4th dimension).

The light mass ‘time contracted particles ‘ are now resident in the 5th dimension and when the field strength increases to offset the torque produced by the destabilization effects of this over unity machine created extra dimensional reaction, (Static fields, which are also the planet’s inertial fields and zero point fields) the energy increases to overcome the destabilization in the time space continuum and the light mass particles  will be drawn back to the 4th dimension, the original frame of reference.

A 'Lorentz pinch' contains our energy taken from the Cosmological process.

From the time of Faraday it has been accepted that only a kinetic field was useful for the production of electricity, but the Static field of the planet is the most powerful field of them all.  It is comprised of the mass of the universe. This also helps to explain the curious nature of Cold electricity; it is arriving from the Static planetary inertial field.


PS: Tom Bearden got it right a long time ago. He referred to ‘time reversal’ concerning particles. He also suggested to look at the Static field as one that had available power. From rereading his work, he said these things about 15 or more years ago.

Dr. Eugene Mallove likely had this figured out back in 2004, but didn’t have the opportunity to explain it to us before he was stolen away.

You tube has a video that covers this area:   â€˜Static field technology’

Or you can read:   Cold Electricity..What it?


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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 12:38:12 AM »
First of all, hey!  :) im new here.

A bit about me Im 21 year's old and an ex design student from Wolverhampton University in England.

I work with animation and conceptual design.

I am totally intrigued by overunity subject matter, overunity obviously meaning your getting more useable work out than your putting into a system, at first I was obviously skeptical  :P.

Ive read alot books, articles, websites, and what makes the most sense to me are Thomas Bearden's talks about 4th dimensional energy and how the atom is already in perpetual motion making our visible universe one giant negative entropy operation in its very essence. Also how present science is trying to explain phenomena such as the Casimir effect, and Aharanov Bohm effect in terms of 3 dimension's clearly failing so they are forced to use a 4th dimension to explain the energy change using it as postulative rather than a reality.

For instance, in quantum physic's they require that there exist virtual particles, which are needed to explain the existance of the observed process. Yet these are considered postulative and not real.. yet without these imaginary pieces it would not function.

So it makes more sense to me anyway, that these perpetual virtual elements are real and are just directly undetectable at present. I find these theories make alot of sense in terms of explaining the link between gravity and electromagnetisim, dark energy, the cosmological constant, and the source charge problem.

I dont mean to patronise  :) Im sure people already know alot of this stuff.

So I honestly think under the context of future theories what some people call perpetual motion will oneday be recognised as a new power source, and that overunity is perfectly acceptable, the only difficulty is right now we dont consider the 4th dimension to be energetic, and that is all that hinder's that understanding.

I believe that alot of our present preconception's of energy under present theory are misguided and a majority of modern science is still thinking too 3 dimensional about the universe, but if you read about higgs boson's and the higg's field I believe all of that is about to change.

4th dimension is only TIME.

Trying to draw energy from the time dimension is pointless. But we will have to use the time dimension in order to get to the 5th dimension, right?
Yes! Because time is relevant to an oscillation which is a vibration. So we use the interval of time as a frequency and we go very high in order to grasp at the yet even higher, 5th dimension.

We want 5th dimensional acquistion.

magnetism in repulsion in high vibration will do the trick... using natural geometry as well. Run away conditions for vibration to seek the highest vibrational limit. You get resonance and then you get in pouring energy....

Higg's field??? try Zero Point energy field or the vacuum field. Or dirac sea. Quantum vacuum fluctuations. High energy in high frequency.

perpetual motion is everywhere in this universe. All atoms, all structures in the universe work off of the principle of perpetual motion and always have.
It's mankind's error to think it isn't about perpetual motion. Mankind has closed themselves off from over unity ideas, because most of them don't believe in perpetual motion...which is just as real as the noses on their faces.

We can therefore create true perpetual motion machines...and there is no law to violate...because the Zero Point energy field makes it possible through the 5th dimensional acquisition. Energy is not created, it is tapped from the 5th dimension and also used to keep the machines running in overunity.

There is enough raw power in the ZPE field to destroy world's, but it must be used in accordance to Laws of nature. Vibrational law being the highest extremely important law. Magnetism to follow. etc.etc.
If the Law is broken and not followed, cataclysm will result. Depending on the size and scope of the machine or machines which will try to gain access to the zpe field realm.

Only resonating vibration can tap the zpe realm WITHOUT consequence.
Any other way, will result in disaster.

Keep that in mind, and ask yourself if anyone is attempting this type of high science experiment?

:)


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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 04:37:03 PM »
I think Clarky is right, time might not be the direct source of energy but definitely the way to extract it.
What we call the virtual particle flux today is probably what the older science used to call the ether.
It can be tapped in many ways, we do not need direct power to extract the energy, we get it for free all the time! What we need however is to upset the symmetrical exchange of energy between that realm and the the physical one.  It is not impossible, and if we consider energy to be conserved in all four dimensions we can freely power everything we need without screaming perpetual motion.

Highly recommended reads:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7693.0 Theory of vacuum energy extraction

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/work.htm Practical ways of using potential fields to produce power

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/net.htm  A series of really great magazines, covering many free energy subjects.

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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 05:01:23 PM »
I think Clarky is right, time might not be the direct source of energy but definitely the way to extract it.
What we call the virtual particle flux today is probably what the older science used to call the ether.
It can be tapped in many ways, we do not need direct power to extract the energy, we get it for free all the time! What we need however is to upset the symmetrical exchange of energy between that realm and the the physical one.  It is not impossible, and if we consider energy to be conserved in all four dimensions we can freely power everything we need without screaming perpetual motion.

Highly recommended reads:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7693.0 Theory of vacuum energy extraction

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/work.htm Practical ways of using potential fields to produce power

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/net.htm  A series of really great magazines, covering many free energy subjects.

Naboo

Clarky? Clark Kent...the overgrown boyscout? hahaha
:) ...we've been watching too much superman at our home...funny you would say that.

Any machine which is moving or non-moving in operation, such as like a solid state 'tapper' of the aether, will be perpetual in nature. Maybe not perpetual motion, but it will be perpetual in order to have over-unity gain.

We can use the time dimension to get free energy for all time. But we also need the other 3 dimensions in lieu of it.

"What we need however is to upset the symmetrical exchange of energy between that realm and the the physical one."

It's called symmetry breaking...and you do this through vibration. Vibration breaks symmetry all the time when it goes from positive peak to neutral...to negative peak.
Vibration will upset the balance between 5th and our local physics realm.


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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 05:16:53 PM »
Nice picture :D

Of course you're right, but especially, focus should be aimed at the unidirectional impulse of energy (which Tesla became a master of in his time, and maybe even still), which can stir up quite powerful disbalances in the interaction of four-space. As discussed in another tread, if you create powerful unidirectional impulses of air or even water (think water hammer effect) than you can get a lot more out than what 'YOU' used.

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Re: 4th Dimensional energy?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 10:38:22 PM »

hi all

i agree that there are demensions 4 at present i personnally i am content with these.
someone told me when i was young in they start adding more it's just a scam.
time accounts for change and choice why is the cat up the tree because the boy kicked the cat why did the boy kick the cat because his dad didn't buy him a new bike so on and so on.
all the way down the sequence energy was expent but demensions did not change and time continued to progress.
is energy moved through the system yes and can it be accounted for yes with time as energy is a state of matter which is a state of energy most of the universe is filled with what they now call dark energy it use to be called aether but they wanted a better term and tried to denie aether for a long time and because they can't be wrong they just changed the term. childrens games.
does energy sit in the background unseen deffinately we push against it all the time and it pushes back do we manover these properly for the most part we do not.
how does a resistor work we can find a very logical explanation by several methods one is stated from seebeck and thomas effect due to heat transfer and current flow restriction the easiest is with a dc motor when first started it draws allot of current but the motor reacts with magnetic fields within the moving motor being used to drive the motor and produces a counter current which blocks the normal flow and as the motor comes to speed the small difference between the motors speed and the voltage tention of absolute speed is why it runs adding more load to the motor reduces its speed and allows more current to compansate adding more force giving more torque to the field difference.
all this and more is easily varifiable with easy tests and could the energy be structured to regenerate or charge the source probably so! do we? NO
how many forms of distinct energy are there and what is there interaction?
the ancient people believed there were seven sound is considered one but i am not so sure about this one heat is one emf is another mmf still another  gravity is a phenominum derived from these so not really an energy itself and most are not looked at this way so no progress is made in this feild.

thank you all for your indulgance to read this.

Martin

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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2009, 12:37:25 AM »
Nice picture :D

Of course you're right, but especially, focus should be aimed at the unidirectional impulse of energy (which Tesla became a master of in his time, and maybe even still), which can stir up quite powerful disbalances in the interaction of four-space. As discussed in another tread, if you create powerful unidirectional impulses of air or even water (think water hammer effect) than you can get a lot more out than what 'YOU' used.

Naboo

interesting...unidirectional impulse of energy....and I am with you on about Tesla...brilliance in that fellow no doubt.
Are you saying like 'punching a hole' into the aether field and then simultaneously withdrawing energy from the point of punching through?

If so, 'we' call this the point of nothing. Where you create a minor singularity and then proceed to implode upon this point and then withdraw energy from this point.

The yin and yang describes it accurately so. The white and black tear drops are symbolic of 'explode' and 'implode' with the small circles standing for 'point of nothing' or singularity type actions taking place.

This is of course, more bi-directional, now that I think about it.

...of course, this all involves 4th dimensional physics and under.

scalar of the air is used to create the implosion/explosion effects.



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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2009, 01:42:30 AM »
@Nueview
Very interesting, I guess you could call heat (the chaotic vibration of atoms) a kind of force or energy.
I know from a very interesting cosmological book I read that the author explains everything of the physical or the materialistic world a result of two forms of energy, heat and cold. Together they can create every kind of energy we know of, and matter is only an organized form of energy.

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interesting...unidirectional impulse of energy....and I am with you on about Tesla...brilliance in that fellow no doubt.
Are you saying like 'punching a hole' into the aether field and then simultaneously withdrawing energy from the point of punching through?

I'm not sure if that analogy is the correct one. I am in fact not exactly sure what happens, as I've learned when I read about Tesla's experiments, and more recently about how water/air or generally fluid reacts to those impulses. When we think about the water-hammer effect and the same thing which takes place with air, we see that a stored potential can not only cause another "storage container" to be raised to the same level (for instance allowing compressed air in a large tank to travel and raise a smaller tank to the same pressure) but in addition also carries with it kinetic energy.

In water (a fluid which is incompressible) the kinetic energy of the water's momentum has nowhere to go once forced to stop, and instead causes as incredible powerful rise of the waters pressure.

The possibility to allow the kinetic and the potential energy to work separately of each other has also been termed by a fellow I know as the "young effect", although I never quite understood why...


So in a way you could say that a unidirectional impulse (power of short duration which goes ONLY ONE WAY)
can be a great way to separate the kinetic energy from its potential, or maybe even better, the cause from its effect ;D

You see, if you do this with air pressure you will not only equalize the two pressures, but you will also add the kinetic energy of the moving gas to its final pressure, meaning that a source of say 4 bars could in the right conditions with a powerful explosion like blow create a second pressure of maybe 8 bars (or much more!) in its new storage tank.
Check out this site if you want to learn more about this:    http://www.aircaraccess.com/index.htm
About the waterhammer effect this could be interesting to read:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Worlds_greenest_water_pump/

In both of these it is crucial that no return or reversal of pressure is allowed, to accomplish this one-way valves is used as an effective block.

To Tesla however this was not so easy, since electricity moves with speeds that no mechanical construction can match. So, in order to create very powerful one-way unidirectional impulses, Tesla used a combination of LARGE capacitors and specially made spark-gaps which used magnets to rip away the ionized atoms once the potential was of, this ensured that no "bouncing" of currents could happen and thus made it possible to enter a whole another realm of electricity.

What was claimed by him (and others) and also more or less proven with his experiments was that he could effectively rip away the charge carrying electrons from its original mover, the ether gas.

About that Ying and Yang symbol you are very probably right, both Explosion (heat) and Implosion (Cold) is necessary to make the existing universe a reality...

Nab

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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2009, 09:11:57 PM »

Hi all

as for my own readings this is what i know and can be demonstrated so logic seems that it must follow at least for me.

peltier said all the world and everything runs on heat in some ways this could be considered correct from a point of view. ampere said it all ran on magnetic currents and volta said the amazing tension of voltage, keely said if worked on the sound and its vibration but tesla said it could be done by any of these converting them from one form to another for the desired effects that one wanted.

personnally i hold with tesla the single system always mucks up when the other forms come into play causeing a disruption so al must be controlled this may have been his big secret but who would have listened to him if all the properties of the different energies are listed and there reactions you arrive at the many forms of matter by there composition and varied quantities of each form of energy we seem to overlook this simple fact.

as far as the yin and yang it is a grafic for the purpose of invoking thought for a realization of the interaction of things on many levels of life from taxes and how they drive the psychology of people to energy functions there are many other symbols that do the same for the mind such as the star of david and the cross and the infinity symbol or the iron cross do not make more or less of things than they are but glean from them the insight that they possess.

Martin

 

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