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WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #225 on: November 22, 2009, 01:33:56 PM »
Quote from: WattBuilder on October 26, 2009, 04:39:45 PM
@All

Here’s my update.

I have now made the decision to put a hold on using the tail vane method to orientate the drive magnet. It’s taking me longer then I have planned. The things that I am running into going this route are lack of access to better materials and better tools.

I know that there are going to be some readers who will have a harder time understanding when I revert back to the use of the servo method.

The full understanding of the ability to scale and its effects is something that one may have to figure out. As my knowledge came from working in the field of the Automation Industry. I will do my best to help those understand.

For now I want to clear up the “step” function of my drive magnet’s position. Before I put up additional videos of the YOG.

You may have notice on my previous video that the drive magnet is offset from the centerline of the lever. The reasoning for that position is to allow for the step in a cycle to take place while also orientating the drive magnet. This function allows for “walking” or “climbing” how every you like to view it.
 
This makes it possible to add on top of the gain kinetic energy. Resulting in the lever getting lower and lower and the weight lifting higher and higher.

One can compare it to traveling up a flight of stairs or a truck bumper jack lifting a car.

It would be great if the magnetic array has a knob where you can turn up the magnetic energy for every cycle pass, but apparently magnets aren’t made that way.

The value of energy from the magnetic array is fixed. Depending on your array set up. So that’s why we need to add the “step” function.

Hopefully in the coming days I will be posting a new video where you can see the YOG in action with a servo.

Howard
My one cycle video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekDM8vg16k
 
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Kator01

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #226 on: November 28, 2009, 06:06:10 PM »
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Cloxxki

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #227 on: November 28, 2009, 09:16:20 PM »
Quote from: Kator01 on November 28, 2009, 06:06:10 PM
Hi wattbuilder,

look here :

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4337757.html

homepage of these guys :

http://www.correlatedmagnetics.com/

Regards

Kator01
Later we'll think back and say "Wow, this took 40 years after Concorde flew"? So smart, so simple. Great stuff. Makes making magnet motors so much easier, less parts. Just, OU...someone will have to think of the magic shape to make it happen.
Twisting those mags is lower torque than pulling apart in max attraction, but I bet it costs the same work in the end. OK, enough off-topic from me :-)
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WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #228 on: November 29, 2009, 05:37:21 AM »
Hi Kator01,

It’s good to see more applications using magnets for common needs.
It looks like a process similar to the Fisher & Paykel Smart drive motors for reducing cogging.

Here’s a link
http://www.thebackshed.com/windmill/WhatFP.asp

Notice how the ferrite is magnetized N S N S in the shape of arrows in the last picture.

Sounds like more companies are catching on.  ;)

Howard
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onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #229 on: November 29, 2009, 07:59:39 AM »
what I would like to understand is how people can't see past the illusion of Kinetic energy transfer.

Gravity and Magnetism only transfer kinetic energy. they are carriers of the kinetic force.

the only thing you can improve on such devices is their means to 'store' kinetic energy more efficiently!

I suggest a few M.I.T classes would help out a lot.

Jerry 8)
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WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #230 on: November 29, 2009, 10:20:56 AM »
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 29, 2009, 07:59:39 AM
what I would like to understand is how people can't see past the illusion of Kinetic energy transfer.

Gravity and Magnetism only transfer kinetic energy. they are carriers of the kinetic force.

the only thing you can improve on such devices is their means to 'store' kinetic energy more efficiently!

I suggest a few M.I.T classes would help out a lot.

Jerry 8)

Jerry,

I don’t believe there are any illusions, the YOG harness kinetic energy from the magnetic array. It will store the kinetic energy until released and transfer into another form of energy like electricity.

Generally, pendulums have similar abilities in storing kinetic energy like a flywheel.
There is research today underway to transfer this into electricity. It’s known as ”flywheel technology” and is being conducted by MIT and NASA among many other companies.

I am among the few researchers in the pendulum category. 

Here are some reference links:

http://www-power.eecs.berkeley.edu/publications/theses/PerryPhDThesis.pdf

http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2009/04/08/flywheel-energy-storage-a-much-greener-90-efficient-battery/

I really don’t feel like debating with every forum member who disagree, please be patience there will be more data.   
Respectfully   ;)

Howard




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onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #231 on: November 29, 2009, 11:08:10 AM »
Hi Howard.

might I suggest using better engineering tactics to promote your YOG.

use radii lines directly on the YOG wheel with some top dead center above it, take some direct video shots on the top dead center so we can view the radii gain.

then place the pendulum at say 3 o'clock position at start and release it, the pendulum should if you are correct pass up the 9 o'clock position on the opposite side if the magnets are indeed adding energy to the system.

try to avoid all the angled video shots and rely more on accurate measurement shots, I am a stickler for accuracy measurements and good reliable data.

if you can please the mathematicians then you have it made. that's where it's at.

thanks for the videos and any in the future you may make. it passes my time when I've watched everything else under the sun.

Jerry 8)
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #232 on: November 29, 2009, 07:10:42 PM »
CuttingEdge:

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then place the pendulum at say 3 o'clock position at start and release it, the pendulum should if you are correct pass up the 9 o'clock position on the opposite side if the magnets are indeed adding energy to the system
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Chances are the pendulum will pass the 9 o'clock position but that will not be proof that the magnets are adding energy to the system.

If you pass 9 o'clock swinging from right to left then you have to do the test in the other direction.  When you release the pendulum at 9 o'clock the pendulum will not make it to 3 o'clock, because the magnets are taking energy out of the system.

The added energy in the first swing is canceled out by the lost energy in the second swing.

MileHigh
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #233 on: November 30, 2009, 08:56:51 AM »
Onthecuttingedge,

Although I do feel that am sharing, instead of promoting here.
I did a similar test that you mentioned that was posted on this thread. It’s called the YOG gain method.

There is gain, experiments not only from me but from three others mentioned on this thread from magnets.


Quote from: MileHigh on November 29, 2009, 07:10:42 PM
CuttingEdge:

Chances are the pendulum will pass the 9 o'clock position but that will not be proof that the magnets are adding energy to the system.

If you pass 9 o'clock swinging from right to left then you have to do the test in the other direction.  When you release the pendulum at 9 o'clock the pendulum will not make it to 3 o'clock, because the magnets are taking energy out of the system.

The added energy in the first swing is canceled out by the lost energy in the second swing.

MileHigh


MileHigh,
There you go again trying to confuse people.
Once the orientation has been changed it does go past the 3 o’clock position. It’s shown in my video with the servo.  ???

And before the new comers jump up a down, yes…. the servo requires energy to turn … for haven sake  :(


Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #234 on: December 08, 2009, 03:01:30 AM »
ALL,

Well, the power test results are in and to me the results are disappointing with this turbine.
 
I used an Ametek 38V DC servo as the turbine. It has the lowest drag resistance that I was able to get my hands on. In the picture below you can see the skew iron on the armature. This reduces the cogging to the point where I wasn’t able to feel it with my fingers.   

The test was performed on the YOG during one cycle starting at the 2 o’clock position and just letting it swing once. I then repeated this test ten times and averaged the high voltage reading unloaded.

Lead weight = 16 volts dc average
Drive magnet = 17 volts dc average
No weight = 23 volts dc average

Note: I didn’t measure time of production.

The return swing wasn’t that great either. I will have to increase the counter weight to get better oscillating motion. I also may have to change the magnetic array configuration in order to get a stronger force pushing the drive magnet or just find better turbine.

Howard Johnson was able to measure 12-14lbs of force on the train with his magnetic array as seen in this video 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRrCZiM1CU

If I can achieve this I may probably have it made without scaling.

Howard
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #235 on: December 08, 2009, 03:14:39 AM »
Here's the picture of the Ametek 38vdc



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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #236 on: December 10, 2009, 06:31:12 AM »
Hi,

Here’s a picture of my toroids that just came in today.
I may decide to use them for my loop back circuit or just make a joule thief attached to the turbine. I will still need to think it through before I get to that point.

Howard



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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #237 on: December 10, 2009, 10:06:59 AM »
Quote from: MileHigh on November 29, 2009, 07:10:42 PM
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If you pass 9 o'clock swinging from right to left then you have to do the test in the other direction.  When you release the pendulum at 9 o'clock the pendulum will not make it to 3 o'clock, because the magnets are taking energy out of the system.

The added energy in the first swing is canceled out by the lost energy in the second swing.

MileHigh

It is correct.
The pendulum oscillates around an equilibrium position depending on its potential in the field in which it moves.
If the field is only the gravitational field, the equilibrium position is on the vertical line passing by the axis.
If there is an added magnetic field, then the equilibrium position is shifted right or left, depending on the relative polarity of the magnets. Without observing a gain in the amplitude of several successive swings, it is not possible to conclude anything.




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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #238 on: December 15, 2009, 03:20:46 PM »
ALL,

Here’s a video I did recently.
 
Basic magnetic array track. A review of attraction vs repulsion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYY1y3EA6iY


Howard


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #239 on: December 16, 2009, 03:17:22 AM »
Great work Yu.

For those looking at the equilibrium position being shifted right or left check this out. 

http://www.youtube.com/user/gotoluc#p/a/f/2/w9P3Rh3Q_gI

If the magnets are shifting the equilibrium in Yu's machine then this may be just another way of explaining what is going on.    Looks like a possible way to get OU to me.

Keep up the good work Yu.

Bill 
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