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Author Topic: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model  (Read 222773 times)

Offline WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2009, 10:57:23 PM »

@PowerCat

As far as the child shifting the weight? It does to a point but, for the child to gain higher and higher swings.


For now I want to clear up the “step” function of my drive magnet’s position. Before I put up additional videos of the YOG.

You may have notice on my previous video that the drive magnet is offset from the centerline of the lever. The reasoning for that position is to allow for the step in a cycle to take place while also orientating the drive magnet. This function allows for “walking” or “climbing” how every you like to view it.
 
This makes it possible to add on top of the gain kinetic energy. Resulting in the lever getting lower and lower and the weight lifting higher and higher.

One can compare it to traveling up a flight of stairs or a truck bumper jack lifting a car.

It would be great if the magnetic array has a knob where you can turn up the magnetic energy for every cycle pass, but apparently magnets aren’t made that way.

The value of energy from the magnetic array is fixed. Depending on your array set up. So that’s why we need to add the “step” function.

Howard
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2009, 11:00:08 PM »
@All,

Here's a drawing about what I think Stefan was talking about.


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2009, 11:15:55 PM »

@MileHigh
Your still blocking out the energy gain from the magnetic array. Even if you can argue your way to an “energy natural carrier” the energy gain from the magnetic array is still there? 

That’s the real deal MileHigh – Your best argument will not come close to disproving energy gains from the magnetic array.

Howard,
   As excited as I was that it appeared you gained energy from magnets, this is scientifically impossible.  Please don't take this as negativity, just the same level of questioning anybody trying to validate your work would ask.  I also 'see' what milehigh is seeing.  I could make such a pendulum with continuous acceleration without the magnets with a seperate source of power continuously shifting the center of gravity.

I might be eating my words if this ultimately works(which I hope it does), but the magnetic forces should ultimately balance out, just like gravitational forces.

I've seen a thousand examples of what appear to be unidirectional torque applied by magnets, however nobody has EVER made the wheel continue spinning.  I will concede that I've never seen your approach, so maybe it will work. 

Now I really need to see it without a shifting center of gravity coupled with continuous acceleration for my jury to finish their deliberations.  (my oppinion + $1 will buy you a cup of coffee at mcdonalds).

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #93 on: October 28, 2009, 11:18:03 PM »
Yes, Howard, simular to this,
but you could also use a generator on the wheel axis
to generate some DC power to power your servo
or something simular.

You have to pay attention to that the coils
in your example don´t break the movement too much due
to the Lenz law dragg.

Looking forward to see more videos from you.

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #94 on: October 29, 2009, 01:35:01 AM »
Spoondini,

“It does to a point” that’s what I have been posting.
The offset acts like a “step function”.

Say you use energy to lift your legs up and down. You do not advance until you place one leg forward.

The YOG advancing is only needed for the circumference to turn the turbine longer.   

So lets take your energy and assign it a value “S”. Now add in the value of the magnetic array “M”. Now the total YOG energy is now “SM”

Now what MileHigh is having a problem at is that he is not adding in the “M”. Also he is viewing the YOG as an “energy neutral carrier”. At best just transferring energy over, the “S”.

The energy loss is due to many factors like load of the turbine, bearings, air and the imperfections. Lets give that value “L”.

If “LS” is less than “M” then you have Overunity.
The value of “M” can always be increased just by getting stronger magnets or a better array set up.


Howard
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #95 on: October 29, 2009, 02:58:12 AM »
I've got the concept.  It's just that in my warped mind m(magnets) and g(gravity) equal pe(potential energy) and can't really become additive.  Unless I drop a magnet into a bottomless coil.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #96 on: October 29, 2009, 03:10:10 AM »
It may be a good idea to replace that servo with something less current hungry. With my experience with RC model planes, I've learned that those little servos can demand a big lunch !

Still a good idea though  ;)

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #97 on: October 29, 2009, 04:55:50 AM »
Spoondini,

Lets look at a playground see-saw. You have two kids equally balanced on a pivot. Kid “A” and kid “B” When kid “A” pushes its legs (lets give that value a number say 5) Kid “B” use up all the energy from “A” and the value is now down to 0.

Now, Kid “A” straps on a magnet next to an array and pushes a value of 5 again. The magnets will add push say 4. Now kid “A” has a total value of 9. Kid “B” will only use 5. So you have an OU remainder.

Let’s compare that to the YOG. The servo is kid “A” and the counter weight is kid “B”. The remainder is lifting the weight higher that allows longer rotation turning the turbine.
 
The magnets energy level is set at the manufacture. The magnets cannot increase it self or add it self. The offset magnet allows for the next tier to be reached

Did this help? If not can you explain at what point is not clear?

Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #98 on: October 29, 2009, 08:28:49 AM »
Excellent work and video, Howard!

A relatively simple "proof" as far as video proof goes, would perhaps be to put the array on a vertical rail. Let's say you repeat the video as it was, with the addition of an assistent lifting the array out of range for the servo driven magnet. Can you use the servo to load the oscillator as concerns offered?

I will add how I admire Howard's attitude in this, how he's not after the money of the OU prize, and how he sends credits towards the late Howard Johnson. I have seen posters with just ideas who've showed much different attitudes.

Respectfully from Holland,
J

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #99 on: October 29, 2009, 12:23:24 PM »
After collaborating with several of my associates, I am afraid at this stage I am with MileHigh. To convince me otherwise you would need to have the magnet not offset when you turn it. I,E mount the servo motor dead centre and the magnet dead centre  on the servo. This should be pretty easy to do. If you can demonstrate that with that set up then you might have something.

As far as generating power I would use a linear generator at the bottom of the device which you could power up some caps and place variable load onto to work out at what point you reach equilibrium. You could then compare that to you power used by the servo. This test then would not matter if your magnet is not on centre provided the power generated exceeded power consumed.

I have to agree that the servo is a pretty hungry device to do the work. There are many otherways you may consider.

I do like the originality of the device.

Finally the energy gains are minimal if you take in account the amount of the pendulum swing is increased bu just a couple of inches each swing from its previous swing.

This is a fun project, I do wish you the best, but until you can demonstrate the magnet turning without being offset(on its own axis) then I would suggest no cigar.

Like always,I would like to be proved wrong.

Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #100 on: October 29, 2009, 12:41:38 PM »
PS,
I checked out some earlier video's. One you demonstrated a comparison of the magnets vs a rock or weight. You replaced the "broomstick" to demonstrate the magnets working. Unfortunately we did not know if the length was the same or the mass. if the mass was different a simple explanation is obvious why you had a difference.
Spoondini also makes some good points.
I think you need to rethink your demonstration (I encourage you to do so) and conclusions. I also charge for my advice....a free cup of coffee normally unless your a large company. Feel free to contact me anytime and I can put you in touch with some mathematics and physics people who can do a far better job of explaining this than I can.
You seem like a genuine person and I have no doubts your not a scam artist, but you will need to do a little more homework to get that cigar.
Kind Regards
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #101 on: October 29, 2009, 04:15:38 PM »
Well spoken MarkDansie.

Howard - I want to reiterate my appreciation for the uniqueness of your approach and I really do want this to work.  You do seem like a very genuine person with a good head for honest business. 

With regard to understanding your theory, I fully understand where your coming from.  Just like I understand Lee Tseung's lead out theory.  Not trying to put you in the same category as Mr. Tseung, but both theories are trying to extract excess energy from conservative forces, which is 'physically impossible'. 

BTW, I do believe that it is possible, it's just that we haven't figured out how (I wouldn't be on these boards and playing with magnets if I didn't think so).  You're approach might very well be the breakthrough we've all been looking for.  For me, it will require a demonstration (or personal replication) that does not leave open ended questions.  You are doing a great job at eliminating one question after another.  I feel bad that you went with the servo (as I thought was a wise idea), and I ended up with additional questions (after milehigh pointed out the shifting center of gravity).  I know it might seem that I/we are never satisfied, but if this works you will eventually give a demonstration which leaves no room for doubt.  If the forum here can't find any open ended questions, you're on your way for a university test/endorsement.  Now that might actually buy you more than a cup of coffee.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #102 on: October 29, 2009, 05:41:41 PM »

@ All Readers,

I have been repeatedly posting it does to a point.
Let it be very clear the servo adds energy by shifting the magnet weight.
It adds energy only to a point. The array of magnets allows it to go past that point. Servo say “Point X” and now with the array energy “Gain Point Y”

Child on a swing… Say a five-year on the swing can only reach to an 8 o’clock position the child can not reach to the 11 o’clock position without help like the array.  If the child can reach to the 11 o’clock on his own then I’ll will say that’s one super baby! Then I will check if that child is on steroid’s.

The offset, call it a step forward or call it a weight shift or call it a happy day at McDonald’s. It allows for the needed range increase to turn the turbine. Remember the array adds to this.

The amount of gain energy depends on the YOG scale and magnets/set up you install.

This let this thread be an example of what a TROLL can do by throwing off ones thinking. 

Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


@Cloxxki,
Thanks,
Glad you like the video.


I checked out some earlier video's. One you demonstrated a comparison of the magnets vs a rock or weight. You replaced the "broomstick" to demonstrate the magnets working. Unfortunately we did not know if the length was the same or the mass. if the mass was different a simple explanation is obvious why you had a difference.

@Markdansie
This question has been answered see past post.

I can put you in touch with some mathematics and physics people who can do a far better job of explaining this than I can.

Great invite them all and I also request all the readers to invite the top minds in the world as well. Bring them here on this forum. Lets have this showdown and get it over with. Don’t forget NASA.

LET IT RAIN  !

Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


@Spoondini,
Well, I’m currently putting together a turbine. Those ironless axial flux generators are sure expensive. Hopefully I can get a good power reading without scaling it.


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #103 on: October 29, 2009, 06:03:55 PM »
Well, Howard,
the most Genius thing is,
that you have found a "SMOT Ramp",
that has no drag on the entrance and at the EXIT !
Maybe you can make a video and show your magnet configuration ?

Maybe just also show it just in a linear fashion ?
Does it also work, if you put the runner magnet in front of a linear
track ( not curved) and then let it go and it will shoot out of the end ?

Please let us know.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #104 on: October 29, 2009, 06:26:27 PM »
I do get resistance entering into the array. It’s the “little wheel big wheel effect”. Further adjustments on this will increase the amount of energy captured from magnets.

Stefan - Per a previous post, there is resistance entering the array.

 

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