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Author Topic: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model  (Read 212969 times)

Offline happyfunball

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #300 on: February 03, 2010, 05:39:53 PM »
happyfunball, call it what ever you want but the bottom line is that magnet array is a smot design and the swinging pendulum is nothing more then a runner. He will not be able to get the penduum to swing back and fourth more then he would if he didn't use the magnet array. Anything used to return the pendulum will use up the energy created. You are dealing with equals. You must use a unequal configuration before you can even think about it possibly working without the need of outside assistance.

 I am done here. Good luck to you all and if you would like some help, pm me.

No, it's not a SMOT design. The YOG's array is boosted in the center, not a SMOT. Show me a pendulum which displays increasing gain with each pass. Equals? There's a visible gain. If you have any relevant videos or experiments, post a link.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #301 on: February 03, 2010, 06:05:36 PM »

Mark, the problem is that a smot can not produce enough power to get the runner back into the array. This is the same problem that this design is going to have. You can reverse the polarities to throw the runner but it still is not powerfull enough to re-enter the array.


@nightlife

Yes, I agree and realize that, but still I think your work shows that
it is possible to accelerate the weight. I have several ideas including
use of a pendulum and two vertically stacked mounted unidirectional
arrays, but getting the energy balance right is the key.  The pendulum
would supply vertical lift to the runner then *mostly* get paid back
at the other end. It saves having to induce rotational momentum
into a heavy weight then extraction of the energy back out again
or just pitching it away.

It just seems that if SMOT can do acceleration, then other array types
should expect that too. What may not work, is to reenter an array
in reverse which may extract any potential energy gain back out.

Come-on though; It seems as if, however slowly, experimental progress
is being made. And I consider this exciting.

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quote author=happyfunball link=topic=8051.msg226422#msg226422 date=1265208952]
So far, all you have done is post a link to a SMOT. Not relevant in the least.
What Howard is trying to do is not simply to utilize a magnetic array and
gravity. Rather, it's the combination of a magnetic array and the momentum
of a weighted pendulum. If you have a link to video of that, then post it.
Otherwise, enough with the SMOT.
[/quote]

This is why I didn't post a link...wattbuilder says his array is not SMOT.
But SMOT's does seem to have something about to say about other
array types.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #302 on: February 07, 2010, 04:51:38 AM »

ALL,
Here’s a picture of the Throw Method’s arm. I still need to install the fix magnets that will hold the small lever to throw the drive magnet forward.

If the fix magnets gives me too much problems, I will use some sort of lock and pin. (Mechanical or Electrical)

Howard


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Offline happyfunball

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #303 on: February 07, 2010, 12:40:27 PM »
Thanks for the update

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #304 on: February 11, 2010, 01:23:36 PM »

ALL,
Here’s where I am at with the “throw method”.

It seems that the array on my test YOG is not strong enough.

What I’m finding is while the counter weight of the pendulum is flipping the small lever forward. The momentum is reduced greatly due to the fix position of the holding magnets. Another thing that was found was when the small lever finishes the flip. The main lever is at a closer position to the array, starting the next cycle. Instead of further away.

Conclusion is to not fight the momentum but to go with it. The YOG must have the room to advance or resistance losses will take over. A stronger array may still be a viable solution to this throw method.

Another thing that I mentioned earlier was the use of a lock and pin. I was thinking of using it at the end of the small lever. Allowing for advancement in the swing while locking it in at variable range positions ageist a backboard.

So far the original servo method seems to be the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

The data I get still points towards a stronger array and increasing the scale.

For the new readers,
The reason why I’m trying these new methods is because I do not have the funding and resources to build a larger scale that will finalize everything. So the best I can do for now is to try to find a way to orientate the drive magnet under the parameters of the wooden test YOG you see.

Regards,
Howard


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Offline ltseung888

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #305 on: February 14, 2010, 02:13:40 PM »
Dear Howard,

Great Work.  You may want to check out the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory Thread.

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http://www.youtube.com/A?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

We have now examined the Yu Oscillator in greater detail.  Here is my conversation with Mr. Cheung at the Hong Kong Invention Association.

Mr. Cheung: “Have you seen the Yu video.  It looks like he is also Chinese.  He is using a pendulum.  You claimed that gravitational energy can be lead-out via a pulled pendulum.  Does his device follow the Lead-Out Energy theory?”

Tseung: “When  the Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory is applied to a pendulum, so long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be lead-out.  The Yu Oscillator has no string.  However, it is the equivalent of an unbalanced wheel.  In our presentation slides, we already explained that the unbalanced wheel is equivalent to a pendulum.”

Mr. Cheung: “Can you explain it again using the Yu Oscillator as example?”

Tseung: “Let us take an unbalanced wheel with additional weight on the bottom.   If we pull the weight in the clockwise direction, when we let go, the weight will swing back in the anti-clockwise direction.  The behavior is exactly like that of a pendulum.  In our calculation of applying a horizontal pull to a pendulum, the lead-out gravitational energy is approximately 50% of the supplied horizontal energy.”

Mr. Cheung: “Are you claiming that gravitational energy is lead-out by the Yu Oscillator?”

Tseung: “Yes.  However, the supplied energy in the Yu Oscillator is not from a Pulse Coil.  It is from the Howard Johnson type actuator.”

Mr. Cheung: “Can stationary permanent magnets impart energy?”

Tseung: “There is a magnet at the tip of the moving rod.  This magnet can gain kinetic energy and move faster in a suitably configured magnetic  field.”

Mr.  Cheung: “Are you claiming that there are two mechanisms at work here.  One is the lead-out gravitational energy.  One is the lead-out magnetic energy from the actuator?”

Tseung: “That is my best understanding so far.”

Our Tong Wheel has already demonstrated that the Output energy is greater than Input energy.  We are inviting independent scientists to double check the experimental results in Hong Kong.  Mr. Rasa of the AMURT.NET organization is helping a City Government of China to bring OU inventors for a meeting or conference.  You will be most welcome. 

Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #306 on: February 15, 2010, 03:20:02 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u3fOwkiM7U
The Howard Johnson magnetic actuator set up. 

An object can gain kinetic energy when it falls under the gravitational field.  A magnet should be able to gain kinetic energy when it moves under the influence of a suitably arranged magnetic field.  This does not violate any laws of Physics.

The Yu oscillator can gain kinetic energy when the magnet at the tip of the rod passes through the magnetic actuator set up.

Howard, your Yu Oscillator does not violate any Laws of Physics.  Continue your brilliant work!

Happy Chinese New Year of the Tiger.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #307 on: February 15, 2010, 05:55:19 AM »

Our Tong Wheel has already demonstrated that the Output energy is greater than Input energy.  We are inviting independent scientists to double check the experimental results in Hong Kong.  Mr. Rasa of the AMURT.NET organization is helping a City Government of China to bring OU inventors for a meeting or conference.  You will be most welcome. 

Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited

Hello Mr. Tseung,

Congratulations to you and your team’s terrific work over there.

Inviting scientists to double check your results shows a great deal of honor on your part.

I will contact Mr. Rasa of the AMURT.NET organization to request further information on the conference.

Happy Chinese New Year !!!

Sincerely,
Howard Yu


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #308 on: February 15, 2010, 08:00:18 AM »
Hello Mr. Tseung,

Congratulations to you and your A’s terrific work A.

Inviting scientists to double check your results shows a great deal of honor on your part.

I will contact Mr. Rasa of the AMURT.NET organization to request further information on the conference.

Happy Chinese New Year !!!

Sincerely,
Howard Yu

The email of Rasa is rasaviharii@hotmail.com.  The conference is planned for mid-April.  One of the guests is John Bedini.  I spoke to the organizer a few minutes ago.  He had a list of at least four Chinese Inventors.  He asked me to help to invite more. 

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #309 on: February 17, 2010, 05:12:30 PM »
Mr Tseung,

Well, it looks like I will not be able to attend the conference in Hong Kong.

Regards,
Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #310 on: February 18, 2010, 08:28:26 PM »
@Wattbuilder

Relative to this you-tube video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

It would be better if the
magnets on the YOG were mounted directly inline with
the servo motor shaft and pendulum staff. This could be
accomplished by gluing them onto a plastic disk or other
method. Then use a visual sign to indicate the direction
of the magnets by a method that is balanced in weight in
both directions. Like painting a black arrow in one direction
and a pastel arrow in the other on a white background,
to make it easy to manually actuate the servo.

Currently some of the gain is due to overbalancing
the pendulum. It may still work with the new method
though, and would be more honest. Currently some
of the energy from the servo is pumping the pendulum
directly through overbalancing and cannot possibly
be overunity, coming from the unbalanced YOG head.
I am interested in seeing what would happen when
all of the additional energy comes from the magnetic
array.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #311 on: February 19, 2010, 06:18:07 AM »

@Wattbuilder

Relative to this you-tube video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

It would be better if the
magnets on the YOG were mounted directly inline with
the servo motor shaft and A staff. This could be
accomplished by gluing them onto a plastic disk or other
method. Then use a visual sign to indicate the direction
of the magnets by a method that is balanced in weight in
both directions. Like painting a black arrow in one direction
and a pastel arrow in the other on a white background,
to make it easy to manually actuate the servo.

Mark,
In the past I did a test to something similar to what I think you are talking about. It’s on page 5 in this thread.


Currently some of the gain is due to overbalancing
the pendulum. It may still work with the new method
though, and would be more honest. Currently some
of the energy from the servo is pumping the pendulum
directly through overbalancing and cannot possibly
be overunity, coming from the unbalanced YOG head.


There is an unbalance, however it’s not a bad thing. The assistance of the off balance gravity does help. Think about it ….  Why Not ….

Imagine tipping a boulder off a hill, just to have it returned back to tip it off the hill again.
Now some of you guys are wondering if the energy from the falling boulder is greater than the energy to tip it? We’ll it certainly is. 


I am interested in seeing what would happen when
all of the additional energy comes from the A
array.

:S:MarkSCoffman


In my last video using the force gauge. I was trying to demonstrate that with measurements.

It seems that there is doubt.
Here’s one way to look at it. Energy = force X length. I get a force that depends on how strong of magnets I use for a length depending on how long my array is. The resistance entering the array is eliminated due to the gravity acting on the counterweight of the YOG. Hence the Yu Effect.

I’m within the laws of physics. The YOG does work. These methods I show to rotate or flip the drive magnet are to please the general public. Actually, using the servo is more practical in a commercialization roll out of energy producing.

I see farms of these similar to the windmill farms. These units will be outdoors or in large hangers type buildings. Each YOG will stand 60 feet in the air. Producing at least 1 megawatt each out performing the windmills of today. The source to power the servos will come from renewable energy technology like tidal, wind, and solar. This technology will lead the national standard in energy storage. A cleaner earth.

Howard   


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #312 on: February 19, 2010, 05:44:18 PM »
@wattbuilder;

It's good to see that overbalancing actually works as a method.

It's just that non-overunity processes are not going to result
in a net energy gain...Energy spent accelerating overbalancing
weight is needed to be paid back from the pendulum energy
watt for watt, by a generator operating below 100% efficiency.
...I suspect people won't want to run their electricity through
a Yog pendulum, just for grins.

Overunity magnetic array acceleration is real IMHO in my opinion
...and it is too bad we can't have a clean demonstration of it.

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FYI:

On another subject...It is very easy to control a model
servo motor from a very small and inexpensive circuit
called an NE555 timer IC generating a PPM pulse percentage
proportional modulation signal. The NE555 could be
connected to two photo-resistors and controlled by a chart
paper that rotates at the axis of the pendulum. The chart
would cause the servo motor to rotate to whatever angle
you setup, by ink on the chart paper, for a given angle of
the pendulum. This would completely automate the YOG
servo motor and get rid of the necessity of the heavy radio
control console, plus get rid of the need for current to power
an RC receiver, as well as remove manual intervention and
likely control errors. This would make servo operation fully
repeatable and uniform on each pass and would be very
much in the spirit of having a machine run itself, as well
as improve it's demonstratability significantly.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #313 on: February 19, 2010, 11:35:00 PM »

It's just that non-overunity processes are not going to result
in a net energy gain...Energy spent accelerating overbalancing
weight is needed to be paid back from the A energy
watt for watt, by a generator operating below 100% efficiency.
...I suspect people won't want to run their electricity through
a Yog pendulum, just for grins.

Okay then, if you say so ?

The fact is that the YOG harness the kinetic energy produced from the magnetic array.
Allowing magnets to become a super battery.


Overunity magnetic array acceleration is real IMHO in my opinion
...and it is too bad we can't have a clean demonstration of it.

There are links to videos on this thread not only from me but from other members that you may find interesting.


FYI:
On another subject...It is very easy to control a model
servo motor from a very small and inexpensive circuit
called an NE555 timer IC generating a PPM pulse percentage
proportional modulation signal. The NE555 could be
connected to two photo-resistors and controlled by a chart
paper that rotates at the axis of the pendulum. The chart
would cause the servo motor to rotate to whatever angle
you setup, by ink on the chart paper, for a given angle of
the pendulum. This would completely automate the YOG
servo motor and A the necessity of the heavy radio
control console, plus get rid of the need for current to power
an RC receiver, as well as remove manual intervention and
likely control errors. This would make servo operation fully
repeatable and uniform on each pass and would be very
much in the spirit of having a machine run itself, as well
as improve it's demonstratability significantly.

I’m familiar with this method as a sensor. Some of the problems that I have run into in the past is that the sensors are in a fixed position and are not variable. You will need a variable indicator / sensor to pickup different positions as the YOG climbs. This will allow for better utilization of gravity from the unbalance drive magnet.

One way that I have found that works pretty well is to use a ball in a tube with end switches. It kind of works like a mercury tilt switch, this way your sensing gravity with kinetic energy shifting. For the larger YOG’s an encoder wheel with a micro-controller like BasicStamp works well too. This part I consider the easy part though.    :)

Howard


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #314 on: February 20, 2010, 04:21:44 AM »
"The fact is that the YOG harness the kinetic energy produced from the magnetic array.
Allowing magnets to become a super battery."

 What? You cant be serious.

 

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