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Author Topic: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model  (Read 319761 times)

Offline nightlife

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #285 on: January 30, 2010, 03:52:43 AM »
@nightlife

Do you think Howard thinks his arm will enter and exit the array without any additional force? He doesn't. This is magnetism combined with gravity/ momentum. There isn't any doubt that the YOG shows a gain in arm travel, the question is whether it's more than the force required to turn the arm magnet. It seems to me that we see increasing potential energy with which to turn the magnet. Imo it's not overunity for the first few passes but might be afterwards.

 LOL, as I said before, I already tested this. Gravity has an equal north and south just as does a magnet. Don't forget that.  ;)

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #286 on: January 30, 2010, 04:34:53 AM »
LOL, as I said before, I already tested this. Gravity has an equal north and south just as does a magnet. Don't forget that.  ;)

Tested it how? The YOG shows increasing arm movement. Discounting the first half dozen passes, did you then try to harness the momentum to create a current/ power the arm magnet?

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #287 on: January 30, 2010, 04:59:53 AM »
Tested it how? The YOG shows increasing arm movement. Discounting the first half dozen passes, did you then try to harness the momentum to create a current/ power the arm magnet?

 It does not show increasing arm movement aftr the gate that would be any different then the movement if the magnets were not used. As matter of fact, it slower after the gate then with it is without the use of magnets. He just has not properly calculated the factors. The only increasiing movement is from  th start  of the array to the end of the array. The moment it passes the gate, all the gain is lost. It is not really any different then having straight array that is lifted up like in this next video.

 All I was doing is trying to save you all some tme but it is obvious that you don't believe me so I will stop trying to help. Good luck guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvhX7BF9pL0

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #288 on: January 30, 2010, 05:32:32 AM »
It does not show increasing arm movement aftr the gate that would be any different then the movement if the magnets were not used. As matter of fact, it slower after the gate then with it is without the use of magnets. He just has not properly calculated the factors. The only increasiing movement is from  th start  of the array to the end of the array. The moment it passes the gate, all the gain is lost. It is not really any different then having straight array that is lifted up like in this next video.

 All I was doing is trying to save you all some tme but it is obvious that you don't believe me so I will stop trying to help. Good luck guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvhX7BF9pL0

It wouldn't be different without magnets? This goes back to the question of whether the momentum is gained by the shifting weight of the arm magnet. I think it has been shown that it is not, due to the point on the curve at which the magnet is rotated. As for a SMOT, they are essentially sloping magnetic ramps, the YOG's is different. But if the array can be classified as a SMOT (certainly not a typical SMOT), the point of the YOG is gravitational assistance as far as I can tell.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2010, 05:57:16 AM by happyfunball »

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #289 on: January 30, 2010, 06:14:24 AM »
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But if the array can be classified as a classic SMOT, the point of the YOG is gravitational assistance.


  The gravitational assistance is canceled out by the return back towards  start with work left to return back to start. I had considered using a electromagnetic coil to help the assist back to start but then energy required is greater then the energy created. A jule theif may help in this but at best all we would get is a perprtual motion that would stop with the slightest amount of resistance added. I have not went that far with testing because I felt it was a waste of time. Another option was to cancel the magnetic field using a electromagnetiic coil after the arm was in the field  to allow a smother exit canceling out the resistance of the gate. But again, the energy required trumps the enrgy created.

 The arm's weight is a factor as is the distances traveled. Remember that when calculating. There is no sense in me explaining any more then I have already. Either you get it or you don't. If you don't, you will eventually.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #290 on: January 30, 2010, 06:47:24 AM »


  The gravitational assistance is canceled out by the return back towards  start with work left to return back to start. I had considered using a electromagnetic coil to help the assist back to start but then energy required is greater then the energy created. A jule theif may help in this but at best all we would get is a perprtual motion that would stop with the slightest amount of resistance added. I have not went that far with testing because I felt it was a waste of time. Another option was to cancel the magnetic field using a electromagnetiic coil after the arm was in the field  to allow a smother exit canceling out the resistance of the gate. But again, the energy required trumps the enrgy created.

 The arm's weight is a factor as is the distances traveled. Remember that when calculating. There is no sense in me explaining any more then I have already. Either you get it or you don't. If you don't, you will eventually.

This is the crux of the hypothesis. I do think the first few passes need to be cancelled out of the equation. Howard, how about settling it and attempting to rig a YOG powered motor for the arm magnet. Any extra energy would be OU in theory.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #291 on: January 31, 2010, 02:54:53 AM »

I doubt you accounted for the weight of the arm which must be factored in.

 You don't want to get into a pissing match with me. I am only trying to help you save some time. I am not book smart but common sense is one of my fortes.   

Nightlife,
So you did not do the test.
It sounds like now your basing my work on your own failures.

LOL, as I said before, I already tested this. Gravity has an equal north and south just as does a magnet. Don't forget that.   

We’ll it’s clear you didn’t. My array is not a SMOT. In my array the sticky spot is in the entrance of the array’s travel direction. SMOT’s are at the end of the travel direction. Apples and Oranges

Your mind keeps trying to justify it based on assumptions. You keep referring back to the weight of the lever. Look at the data. Can you see the lever weighing less than 0.1 pounds? Did your mind just blocked it out again? Don’t forget magnets have an unequal force with other magnets, It’s a fact.

The gravitational assistance is canceled out by the return back towards  start with work left to return back to start.

Do I really have to explain how a pendulum works now ?

Listen Nightlife I’m willing to help you but when you open discussions with me, Attacking my work, I will defend it.

Your posts are of no relevance to me. Anybody reading it can just see your reasoning. 


This is the crux of the hypothesis. I do think the first few passes need to be cancelled out of the equation. Howard, how about settling it and attempting to rig a YOG powered motor for the arm magnet. Any extra energy would be OU in theory.

@Happyfunball,
We’ll for now I want finish my measurements of the array.
I’m thinking of either placing a long spring attached to the probe of the force gauge to measure energy or attaching a string to the lever pulling a weight up off the ground. I haven’t made a final decision yet but I’m still looking for a better way.

Howard
Video: The Yu Effect – Kinetic energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs



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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #292 on: January 31, 2010, 10:15:24 AM »
Hi Howard.

In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekDM8vg16k ) you have already shown that you get energy gain.
Nobody can dispute that so there is really no need to try to show that again.

The only important thing now is: "Can you rotate swinging magnet with that energy gain?". If you can, than you have a selfrunner.

Keep up the good work!
Frenky

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #293 on: February 01, 2010, 04:58:13 AM »
Hi Howard.

In this video (http://www.A.com/watch?v=gekDM8vg16k ) you have already shown that you get energy gain.
Nobody can dispute that so there is really no need to try to show that again.

The only important thing now is: "Can you rotate swinging magnet with that energy gain?". If you can, than you have a selfrunner.

Keep up the good work!
Frenky

Thanks Frenky,
If that’s how my supporters feel then I will advance my work to show it.
I will now move forward to demonstrate the “Throw Method” in my next video.

Howard


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #294 on: February 02, 2010, 09:47:44 AM »
Hi howard I havn,t got much to say but keep going - you have been so gracious to all who have conversed with you.Its a greater credit  to you than invention. Look forward to your next video.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #295 on: February 02, 2010, 09:08:16 PM »
SMOT arrays have been shown on youtube that power a runner
into an array, then accelerate the runner, then let the runner
exit the array. So in my opinion it has been shown that SMOT
arrays can be used to generate excess energy. There was no proof
provided that a magnetically reversed runner would go through
the array backward and also accelerate. So it's something to think about,
specifically, turning off the runner by moving it away from the array
(R^2 decreasing the field), on the retrace. The pendulum center
motion would then be biased slightly in one direction.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #296 on: February 03, 2010, 01:42:38 PM »

Thanks Dumbas,
It’s been my pleasure conversing with the members here. As they are truly more energy Out then In.   :)


@Mscoffman,
Good point on turning off the runner magnet in one-way arrays, whether it’s a SOMT, a V-gate or HJ Circle Square gate; ect.

For me on those I like to rotate the runner magnet vertically, so on the return swing the magnet is out of the field.  However I do feel those one-way arrays have a stronger force then the bi-directional arrays like the one I have on my test YOG. This area will certainly still need to be explored.

Howard


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #297 on: February 03, 2010, 02:21:17 PM »
Mark, the problem is that a smot can not produce enough power to get the runner back into the array. This is the same problem that this design is going to have. You can reverse the polarities to throw the runner but it still is not powerfull enough to re-enter the array.
 I provided a video of a runner being pulled in and then exiting an array but the problem is getting the runner back up to the hieght of the array to repeat the process. If a runner can not make it back and pass the point of start without assistance, it can not produce any excess energy. The assistance will cost more then the energy created. At best, the only thing that could be achieved is perpetual motion which would end with the slightest amount of load added. When dealing with magnets and or gravity, you are dealing with equal forces. Niether can be used to produce becuase equals can only copy each others oposite motion.
 You can use a magnetic array to over come gravity's equal force but the array will not over comes it's own force. Just like you can use gravity to over come a magnetic arrays equal force but it will not over come it's own.
 To over come the equal forces, you have to have an odd configuration. Like four arrays and three arms. If Howard was to use three differnt arms fixed as close to equal distances apart as he can get them, he may then be able to create free energy. He must over come the equal forces by using a odd configuration. 1 to 2 is not enough, it must be at least 2 to 3 and I suggest at least 3 to 4 to get the best results. This way you have 2 arms pushing one thru the gate at all times.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #298 on: February 03, 2010, 03:55:52 PM »
Mark, the problem is that a smot can not produce enough power to get the runner back into the array. This is the same problem that this design is going to have. You can reverse the polarities to throw the runner but it still is not powerfull enough to re-enter the array.
 I provided a video of a runner being pulled in and then exiting an array but the problem is getting the runner back up to the hieght of the array to repeat the process. If a runner can not make it back and pass the point of start without assistance, it can not produce any excess energy. The assistance will cost more then the energy created. At best, the only thing that could be achieved is perpetual motion which would end with the slightest amount of load added. When dealing with magnets and or gravity, you are dealing with equal forces. Niether can be used to produce becuase equals can only copy each others oposite motion.
 You can use a magnetic array to over come gravity's equal force but the array will not over comes it's own force. Just like you can use gravity to over come a magnetic arrays equal force but it will not over come it's own.
 To over come the equal forces, you have to have an odd configuration. Like four arrays and three arms. If Howard was to use three differnt arms fixed as close to equal distances apart as he can get them, he may then be able to create free energy. He must over come the equal forces by using a odd configuration. 1 to 2 is not enough, it must be at least 2 to 3 and I suggest at least 3 to 4 to get the best results. This way you have 2 arms pushing one thru the gate at all times.

So far, all you have done is post a link to a SMOT. Not relevant in the least. What Howard is trying to do is not simply to utilize a magnetic array and gravity. Rather, it's the combination of a magnetic array and the momentum of a weighted pendulum. If you have a link to video of that, then post it. Otherwise, enough with the SMOT.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #299 on: February 03, 2010, 05:05:33 PM »
happyfunball, call it what ever you want but the bottom line is that magnet array is a smot design and the swinging pendulum is nothing more then a runner. He will not be able to get the penduum to swing back and fourth more then he would if he didn't use the magnet array. Anything used to return the pendulum will use up the energy created. You are dealing with equals. You must use a unequal configuration before you can even think about it possibly working without the need of outside assistance.

 I am done here. Good luck to you all and if you would like some help, pm me.