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WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #255 on: January 19, 2010, 03:27:29 PM »

Happyfunball,

I’m a little disappointed in the video upload to YouTube. There seems to be a slight audio delay. The drive magnet’s north pole is in the front of the travel direction where you see the iron. The attraction is due to the south pole on the backside of the drive magnet pulling towards the north’s on the array.


Stefan,

Well, I was thinking that if I could prove energy gains from the array then everything else to prove on the YOG would be self explanatory. 

When calculating energy (force x distance) the start of the length should really begin just right after the sticky spot because the magnets pushes the lever through the array.
 
The force meter shows force at a certain point between sticky spot to the floor.


Mr bojangles,

I tried to factor out gravity as much as possible for this experiment. But in order to keep the lever from floating around ( weight less ) there is a slight over balance to the top on purpose.

The difference of 1.3 lbs is not the gravity. That’s why the very first measurement was the lever. In the video it show less than 0.1 lbs.

The track does over come the friction. You can clearly see it pushing it through with the drag on the lever.


Regards,
Howard Yu

Video: The Yu Effect – proof of energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs
 

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #256 on: January 19, 2010, 05:30:08 PM »
Howard,

I really like what you have done so far.

Question:
Any luck on making the magnet flip on its own when the arm reaches one side or another?

I have been thinking about it and I have NOT been able to come up with a method that I am sure would work.

Rich

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #257 on: January 19, 2010, 09:10:50 PM »
Howard,

I really like what you have done so far.

Question:
Any luck on making the magnet flip on its own when the arm reaches one side or another?

I have been thinking about it and I have NOT been able to come up with a method that I am sure would work.

Rich

Hey Rich,

The graphic below shows a method that I have tested successfully,   It works quite well with fairly heavy weights on top of the pendulum.  I have not tested the rig with a magnetic ramp yet.  I was attempting to test the idea that the reversing action pumps the pendulum.  I have successfully made that automatic reverser which is driven by air resistance.  I have not proven the pumping action yet so maybe Howard is on to something with his magentic ramp. My pendulum is about 10' tall so there is plenty of time during the swing for the fin to reverse the magnet before it reaches top center on the return trip.  As I mentioned, I have not proven the self pumping action, but I need to rebuild my rig with better balance and better bearings etc. to give it a fair test.

The tail fin I made from a plastic lid off a large coffee can which is just the right stiffness and is easy to cut out and puncture for mounting.  You could attach a much larger fin if you want the action to be more pronounced.  It is interesting to watch and it does effectively reverse the top weight on each half of the cycle.

I hope Howard tries it on his apparatus.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #258 on: January 19, 2010, 11:06:35 PM »
Happyfunball,

I’m a little disappointed in the video upload to YouTube. There seems to be a slight audio delay. The drive magnet’s north pole is in the front of the travel direction where you see the iron. The attraction is due to the south pole on the backside of the drive magnet pulling towards the north’s on the array.



Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #259 on: January 19, 2010, 11:17:29 PM »
el-tigre,

Thank you for your thoughts. You choose an interesting way to do this. I was not thinking along those lines.

I will have to do some testing.

Rich

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #260 on: January 19, 2010, 11:48:05 PM »
If the YOG is overunity, then a powered switching device for the magnet shouldnt be an issue. Assuming the YOG will drive a generator/ electric motor, it would be a simple matter of using a stored charge (rechargeable battery) for the first few passes until the YOG can generate power, which would then recharge the battery. Basically the same as a car's ignition. Right?


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #261 on: January 20, 2010, 03:11:17 AM »

I really like what you have done so far.

Question:
Any luck on making the magnet flip on its own when the arm reaches one side or another?

Thanks Ragew,
I have all the parts here now ready to go ….  but I have decided to put a hold on the project for now. The reason why I decided to do this is because even if I built this there will be still doubt.

At this point it all comes down to the array.


@El-Tigre,

Great work your doing their !
The array will try to twist the wind vane and you may run into alignment issues like I have but there is a way to over come this.

Have your drive magnet face north into the array and also have your array in the shape of “ U “ upside down. Just picture my array with walls on the side.
One other thing if you slightly tilt it forward or back you can control the direction of turn.


If the YOG is overunity, then a powered switching device for the magnet shouldnt be an issue. Assuming the YOG will drive a generator/ electric motor, it would be a simple matter of using a stored charge (rechargeable battery) for the first few passes until the YOG can generate power, which would then recharge the battery. Basically the same as a car's ignition. Right?

@Happyfunball,
Your right. If you look back to Broli’s picture on this thread you will see a picture of many YOG’s in front of each other lined up. When you have them in a modular array like that, you will get an OU Engine. Just picture the turbine shaft longer to reach all the YOG’s with one-way sprockets.


@ ALL

My claim still stands on it’s own merit.
This Video is conclusive proof I have achieved OU.   

Video: The Yu Effect – proof of energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs


Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #262 on: January 20, 2010, 11:41:07 PM »

To ALL Moderators,

Shouldn’t this video be great news and the topic be posted on the forum’s homepage news list ?

Here are the grounds to post it.

1.   I have achieved Overunity.
2.   I have proved The Yu Oscillating Generator can harness energy from magnets.
3.   All Inventors and researchers working towards energy from magnets now have more merit and they are not all crazy.
4.   I am the first to “Publicly prove energy gain from magnets”. Simply because there is no data available measuring In vs. Out with a meter publicly. (No hands)
5.   Most importantly !  Lives can be saved.

Posting this as news would advance further peer review.

My claim still stands on it’s own.
This Video is conclusive proof I have achieved OU.   

Video: The Yu Effect – proof of energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs


Howard


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #263 on: January 21, 2010, 12:09:12 AM »
theoretically your input should be the difference in weight of the lever plus friction

your video does not prove anything, your starting point is higher than the point you are gathering your output from, your output meter should be at the same height and degree that you start the lever at

your starting the weight at like 60* and letting it fall almost 150*

and since your lever is top heavy the only gain you can claim is the distance the magnets start until the lever is upright and slightly past the 90* mark, because anything past that is gravity which is where you are getting your force,

changing it and making it top heavy most likely makes it more inefficient


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #264 on: January 21, 2010, 01:16:05 AM »
Mr Bojangles,

It looks like you did not bother to read my post to you. The lever weighs 0.1 Pounds for the experiment. Think it over again. You will find that when you drop something that weighs 0.1 pounds from 8 feet 3 inches “ which is the height from the middle of my array to the floor”.

You won’t even get close to 1.3 pounds by far.

It’s common sense right ?    ???

My claim still stands on it’s own merit.
This Video is conclusive proof I have achieved OU.   

Video: The Yu Effect – proof of energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs


Howard




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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #265 on: January 21, 2010, 09:00:17 AM »
Hi Howard,
As you're finding out, it's not so easy to have those who've been disappointed in the past declare OU from a video. A convincing video of a car would be pretty hard to do, had the thing not been invented yet. I hope this will not discourage you.
My concern, from the video would be that the work put into the lever to break through the sticky point, is rather large for the amount of balance in the system. Like a long soft spring.
If I understand the Yu effect correctly, this fixed amount of negative work will be decimized by initial inertia and mass in the system, while the array would be better able to speed up the lever when already in motion, past its entry velocity into the sticky spot? This makes me wonder why H. Johnson never seemed able to exhibit the Yu effect, at least replicably. A second identical gate for this train, and it would have shot through that at increased exit speed?

With the amount of gain you seem to be getting from the array, it seems to me that persuing the tail fin to have a self-runner would be relatively easy for huge amounts of convincing proof. If the gain can't flip a fin 180degrees in it's spot, it'll hard to measure it amount on such a large aparatus anyway. I realize the self-centering will need to be pretty good, but you managed it would the remore controlled servo just fine. A slight damper on the bearing might do the trick. Oherwise, a guide rail.

Looking forward to your next move,

J

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #266 on: January 21, 2010, 09:15:39 AM »
To ALL Moderators,

Shouldn’t this video be great news and the topic be posted on the forum’s homepage news list ?

Here are the grounds to post it.

1.   I have achieved Overunity.
2.   I have proved The Yu Oscillating Generator can harness energy from magnets.
3.   All Inventors and researchers working towards energy from magnets now have more merit and they are not all crazy.
4.   I am the first to “Publicly prove energy gain from magnets”. Simply because there is no data available measuring In vs. Out with a meter publicly. (No hands)
5.   Most importantly !  Lives can be saved.

Posting this as news would advance further peer review.

My claim still stands on it’s own.
This Video is conclusive proof I have achieved OU.   

Video: The Yu Effect – proof of energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs


Howard

do you plan on sending Stefan your invention? or maybe a replica?
or you can just send it to me :-)

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #267 on: January 21, 2010, 10:55:57 AM »
Mr Bojangles,

It looks like you did not bother to read my post to you. The lever weighs 0.1 Pounds for the experiment. Think it over again. You will find that when you drop something that weighs 0.1 pounds from 8 feet 3 inches “ which is the height from the middle of my array to the floor”.

You won’t even get close to 1.3 pounds by far.

It’s common sense right ?    ???

My claim still stands on it’s own merit.
This Video is conclusive proof I have achieved OU.   

Video: The Yu Effect – proof of energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs


Howard

Hi Howard, it is no valid measurement.
You must measure the integral of the force over the distance:

Energy= Integral F ds

Where:
F=Force
s=distance
d= delta

If you only measure peak F values you don´t do it right.

Better try to wire a few coils around your magnets and use
their output to change the direction f the rotor magnet
and thus show a selfrunner.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #268 on: January 21, 2010, 03:24:54 PM »
Hi Howard,

I had a thought that may help you.  If you build a tail fin reverser, and use your remote control gear to operate a simple solenoid latch which will lock it in place after it flips over, then no one can argue your servo is putting more energy into the system.   

Just open the latch when the pendulum reverses and close it before it reaches your magnet array.  This will keep your drive manget from twisting and will demonstrate that the servo can't put any energy into the system.  I was thinking of designing a mechanical latch for this set up, maybe actuated by a small pendulum or a trip lever.

Keep on experimenting and remember, the theories all have to be revised when the experiments prove them wrong. Earnshaw is a great example, and it wasn't so many years ago that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. ;D

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #269 on: January 21, 2010, 06:36:20 PM »

@ Cloxxki,

Correct, The Yu Effect eliminates the sticky spot problem.
As for Howard Johnson who I have the highest respect for. I can’t figure out why he did not measure the output force and show it publicly.

I hope the picture and drawing below helps you out with your concerns. In the picture you will see the lever resting at the start of the field because of the north facing north.

In the drawing you will see the input and output ranges. It’s a big difference.

Note: for the new readers  - the term Sticky Spot refers to the resistance spot.


 @ FreeEnergy,

The YOG is too large to ship but Stefan should have plenty of magnets lying around his shop to test the array.


@ Stefan,

My measurements are legitimate and are sufficient to prove OU.

I believe your point of view is looking at the entire energy capabilities of the array. It’s not required to prove OU.

In my drawing you will see I measured the force at point “F” which is more than enough to just prove OU. You can pick a point anywhere from “C” to the floor “I” and it will still show gain. 

If you review the picture and drawing you can clearly see the length and force from “A” to “B” is less than the length and force from “B” to “I”

You can also see the acceleration as clear as day.

Respectfully Stefan, I achieved OU conclusive from magnets and it should be allowed to be posted as news for advancement of further peer review.   


@ el-tigre,

Thank you for suggestions. I think at this point for me is to get right down to it. Because no matter what I build, the array will be the final key.

Although I must admit judging by the history of other claims. It seems that If I put on a dog and pony show I will get more recognition for my work or hold back secrets and allow for mystery. In the future, the world will look back during these times and we will be judged. Hopefully it wont be so severe.


My claim still stands on it’s own merit.
This Video is conclusive proof I have achieved OU.   

Video: The Yu Effect – proof of energy gain from magnets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtl0OTSccs

Regards,
Howard