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Offline WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #150 on: November 01, 2009, 10:31:50 PM »
@MileHigh
Ummm,  Of course I did.. I do have it right here you know.
As far as the child shifting the weight? It does to a point but, for the child to gain higher and higher swings. The child must add more energy to the next swing then the previous amount of energy in the first swing, in order to gain.


Plus the only reason that you would have an apparent "gain" for each half-swing if you rotate the magnet by 180 degrees is because you are "forgetting" about the amount of energy you would have to expend to rotate the magnet by 180 degrees against the resistrance of the array's magnetic field.  It's a no-win situation.

MileHigh

I know that Howard is not going to stop, so that's why I suggested that he give himself a year before he calls it quits.  Life is short and I am sure that there are better things that he can do.


MileHigh

What are better things to do ???

I know !  Try to help the worlds energy crisis and Save lives. That sounds better than arguing with people with a good idea who are trying.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #151 on: November 01, 2009, 11:16:26 PM »
@MILEHIGH Please stop your negativity over here and only read this thread and only post if you have ideas how to enhance the gain effect.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #152 on: November 01, 2009, 11:16:34 PM »
Hi Howard,
It seems they are not arguing with you or your good idea, as much as they are asking better foundation for claims, and more valid (generally accepted) counter-experiments.

I think there is no better helper towards free energy than a sound critic like these 2. They offer you simple modifications of your design, to take away the lion share of doubt regarding the obvious gains displayed. At this point, it is hard to see it's really the array at work.

Arguing really only starts when one party ignores parts of the input from the other, or at least fails to respond to it.

Please understand, that as referenced, the Mylow thing hit this community quite hard. It was not pretty. I was a believer, because I'm naive when it comes to human intentions. I, among hundreds, was left betrayed. We all learned. I am convinced you are not trying to fool us, and the others are surely not alluding to that. Just, that perfect evidence with look different. Perfect of course doesn't exist, but the threshold to start replication will not have been reached for many at this point.

I still believe that permanent magnets can be "fooled" to be used for propulsion, and I hope you're on the track of the code now.

Good luck,

J

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #153 on: November 02, 2009, 12:29:20 PM »
Howard:

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By the same token, Poynt99 agrees with me that it would take energy to rotate the magnet by 180 degrees at the end of each swing.  This is not an error, it simply has to be for things to stay in balance.  You seem to be assuming that I am wrong without testing this yourself. 
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MileHigh

Hi Milehigh

You are perfectly right. I also said the same at the begining of the thread. And in the absence of experimental proof (that a complete looped perpetual motion would give), I asked WattBuilder for the energy consumed by the actuators for rotating the magnets. I got vague replies outside the point so I had quit the thread because it was no science. I come back today and see it is still at its starting point.

The problem with permanent magnet motors is always the same. A magnet or a magnetic material moves in a magnetic field only if it decreases its magnetic potential, otherwise there is no magnetic force. The magnetic potential is given by the field and the position of the object in the field.
As we cannot have a looped path presenting an endless decreasing magnetic potential because the potential is always the same at the starting point, to loop the movement needs to enhance the potential of the object somewhere at each turn (it is done here by the rotation of the magnets by 180°). But this needs energy, at least as much energy that the object lost in "falling" in the decreasing magnetic potential. The situation is the same with any potentials, as "gravity motors" or with motors mixing gravity and magnetic or electric potentials.
What is funny is that inventors of permanent magnet motors claim to use conventional theory of electromagnetism to describe how they work! It is a proof of ignorance. The equations of conventional physics prohibate obviously such perpetual motions.

A working permanent magnet motor is clearly outside the physics laws. By using only classical electromagnetism, no one can prove such a motor works. I do not say that a permanent magnet motor is impossible. I say that only strong experimental evidences are required to prove it (and then new theories).







 

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« Reply #154 on: November 02, 2009, 05:25:12 PM »
Howard is using a very inefficient stepper motor, which consumes much more power.

The servo actually contains a brush motor which is controlled by a circuit and governed by a potentiometer, but you're right about it being inefficient though  ;)

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #155 on: November 02, 2009, 08:57:40 PM »
I seized on a great solution! The remote controlled automatic car door lock! Anyone who owns a late model car is familiar with this feature, and the sound the linear solenoid makes when it opens and shuts the door lock bolt. This solenoid not only comes complete with a DPDT switch, but it has a capacitor in the circuit. Buying one off ebay, or the auto salvage market would give one a remote
switch station along with the powerfull pole reversing solenoid. This should be many times more efficient then the current brush motor he is using. Look, Mile High, I'm unwilling to spoon feed you. Find a tank circuit diagram on your own time.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #156 on: November 02, 2009, 10:58:54 PM »
@MILEHIGH Please stop your negativity over here and only read this thread and only post if you have ideas how to enhance the gain effect.
Hi ,I thick your a bit rough on Milehigh, he has articulated what many have expressed here.
You speak about the gain.What gain? We are trying to establish is the gain caused by the weightshift or is it indeed the magnetic array? From what I have seen there is no net gain with the magnetic array as it is is being pushed through the sticking point by the gravity of the counter weight. We have kindly asked that the magnetic array be removed to do a comparison or the magnet attached to the servo be affixed so it rotates on a neutral axis (no weight shift)
It is important to break these two down so we know what forces are at work here.
All further discussion without these tests or enhancements to the designare fruitless until these fundamentals have been established.
HJ never demonstrated anything that could be harvested because in the end everything balances out.
I am, along with many others are trying to be constructive here, but it is futile to proceed with design improvements if the device is based on a false premise.
The single isolation video proved nothing as we do not know the difference in mass between the rock and the magnetic device.
There is nothing sophisticated about what we are asking.
Your were kind enough to give us some leway with the Mylow device and we saw many other reputations demolished, but ultimately it was the OU forum and the skills of its members that ultimately exposed that fraud. In this case we are all impressed with the originality of the approach, but concerned about the ignorance to address issues raised.
I do not want to dampen anyones enthusiasm, but it is important to put in place reality checks before moving ahead based on assumptions only.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Offline WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #157 on: November 03, 2009, 12:51:48 AM »

@Cloxxki,

There’s no need for critics before testing is finish. They are taking up time and efforts for progress to move forward. There are replicators on this but they are not speaking up and I don’t blame them for not wanting to deal with the heat yet. 


@exnihiloest,

There’s has been progress since you last posted this……….

I'm sure you will get many other memberships and ignorant bigots to support this new "science". It will be just a bit more noise in the FE domain.
Good luck.

I suggest you see the videos first. Then on the one cycle video ask yourself is their a gain from the magnetic array. This will be your foundation for argument with out getting past that point your arguments will have no relevance.

One cycle   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekDM8vg16k
Gain video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


@Bulbz and synchro1,

I agree, I do have one of those auto door locks solenoids. But the plunge is less than an inch. Haven’t figured it out yet. I’m still fighting with the turbine. I really need to see where the power is at. I just need to beat 1.3W for 2 seconds. If not, it will show us where to focus.


@markdansie,

It’s his place you know. He has every right to protect his forum. This forum can’t be a place for “public stoning”. How do you aspect other inventors to speak up.

As for Milehigh I believe his responses were contradicting himself and were unproductive.

I'm not the other inventors or scammers …..  I don’t know? I’m not them. I have done nothing to be treated like them.


Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #158 on: November 03, 2009, 03:42:11 AM »
Hi Mark,
the One cycle  movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekDM8vg16k


clearly shows, that there is a gain in, so please no more negative comments anymore.

Surely it would be nice, if Howard would remove the upper magnet array
and show us, that the remote control back and forth movement will
NOT make the pendulum accelerate so fast as with the magnet array on the top.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #159 on: November 03, 2009, 04:50:05 AM »
Hi Mark,
the One cycle  movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gekDM8vg16k


clearly shows, that there is a gain in, so please no more negative comments anymore.

Surely it would be nice, if Howard would remove the upper magnet array
and show us, that the remote control back and forth movement will
NOT make the pendulum accelerate so fast as with the magnet array on the top.

1. It clearly shows nothing as the mass would have to be the same let alone the position of the mass. This is so basic I am not sure why you cannot see that. (great party trick and so much more imaginative than fishing line)
2. His refusal to remove the array as a comparison test speaks for itself. No amount or verbage and semantics will change anyone's mind on this.
3. Since when asking basic questions is a negative? My sister is a cop and taught me to keep asking the same question until you get an answer or two different answers to the same question.(even better)
4. At this stage we have an inverted swing with the magnet mounted on the servo being of centre pumping in the energy with each isolation. (why can"t you see this?). As suggested if he centered the magnet so there was no offset of the servo the device would not work.(prove me wrong)
5. This is the first stages of perpetuating a scam. Wave a big stick and tell the non believers that they must remain silence or else. (Look what the My low project did to Sterling) I have to play by the rules so I will make this my last post. Many people have contacted me privately on this project and will not post here as they always get threatened with a big stick if they ask questions. Lets keep things rational and on a scientific basis here.
6. I have followed through on many devices listed here over the years. Some my involvement privately is still active. However history is not on my side. Your prize is still in tact. This does not stop us all hoping for a breakthrough, but as time goes on many of us grow wiser and more experienced in evaluating these technologies. Why are you so down on some of the best people and most experienced in your own forum? Why are we the bad people? Go look at the history of the all the threads and show me one device that has demonstrated overunity. I can show you many where people have wasted other peoples time and money and in some cases solicited funds in a fraudulent way. I an no Erik Grieg, but if it wasn't for the rational majority asking questions this forum would join the ranks of the Sterling Allen's, Denis Lee's and others.
7. This takes me back to the days of the Mylow tapes on youtube pleading his sincerity and gathering the mindless masses to discredit and attack the non believers. Many of us who dare question the technology were attacked. You allowed us to continue you question here. What has changed? Sterling attacked this forum pubically, destroyed the NEC(several resignations) and now has his hat out begging for money as all credability was destroyed. Just silencing us is turning this into another circus, one with an obvious ending.
No need to ban me as this is my last post on this topic. However can I suggest you start another thread called "I told you so"
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #160 on: November 03, 2009, 05:23:20 AM »
Yeah,

This is a tough one. Watching it again, and knowing there is some entry repulsion there, it is quite possible as MH says that the shifting weight of the magnet might be responsible for the added rotation each half cycle. I'm on the fence with this until we see some variation made.

Indeed, I think we would all like to see how things operate without the array there.

My experience with this type of thing did not involve the entry point, as that was "eliminated".

Howard, please demonstrate the pendulum operation without the array there ;) ;)

Thanks,
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PS. @ Mark Dansie, I wouldn't say Howard is trying to scam anyone. Doubtful there are any intentional "tricks" incorporated to help things along as Mylow had done.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #161 on: November 03, 2009, 05:59:09 AM »
Hmm,
I thought the masses and the lengths were the same in the 1 cycle test ?
Didn´t he state this somewhere ?

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #162 on: November 03, 2009, 02:27:51 PM »
Great invite them all and I also request all the readers to invite the top minds in the world as well. Bring them here on this forum. Lets have this showdown and get it over with. Don’t forget NASA.

LET IT RAIN  !

Howard

Howard,
   I notified Mark Dansie about your invention.  You asked us to bring in folks and have a show down.  Mark clearly knows his stuff.  NASA scientists and Eric Krieg will be much less forgiving than milehigh and markdansie have been.  Should your quote read, 'invite anyone who agrees that my one cycle video is conclusive proof that magnets can impart additional energy.'  Milehigh said it best when he clarified that you displayed half a cycle.  This is why I initially saw promise in your invention, but remained adamant that continous acceleration (due only to the magnetic array) would need to be conclusively demonstrated.  Many have shown temporary acceleration (look at James Rony Stators, haven't heard anything from him lately?), but this is always due to initial energy imparted by the user, ie placing the wheel in the right place.  Nobody has ever made a magnetically powered device continue accelerating on it's own accord, the laws of physics are not on your side.
    You can take the feedback/questions you are receiving as constructive or a challenge and prove them wrong, or you can summarily dismiss them as TROLLS.

Stefan,
    If milehigh wouldn't have chimed in, my pea brain wouldn't have picked up on the shifting center of gravity, and for that I thank milehigh for bringing me back down to earth.  I don't think Howard is employing trickery like Mylow, but remember that this board took him down.  When one makes extraordinary claims in a public forum, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect extraordinary proof.

The question in my mind still remains as to whether the YOG can use gravity to power through the sticky point and actually attain a net energy gain.  Until some of the variables already pointed out have been eliminated, nothing has been proven - FACT.  If the one cycle video is proof, then there would have been a deluge of press/university researchers/companies banging down Howard's door.  It's out there for all to see on youtube and I don't think it's causing a stir in the legitimate energy/magnetic community.

Please prove it for the world Howard.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #163 on: November 03, 2009, 06:47:27 PM »
Spoondini,

I understand your hunger for the truth. The hunger for knowledge can be overwhelming for some. It can change a rational man into an un-rational one.

My first response after posting the gain video was it does to a point. Then in the posts later I explained what will happen. Like this….

Even if you can show a video with just a top offset weighted lever reaching the same point as my Proof of gain video.

You can never challenge the extra cycles that the array gets over no array.

Then on top of that even more… by some miracle if you can match the cycles. You still can’t match the speed and time vs no array.

Bottom line your whole case is based on theory and mine are from tests I preformed.

So basically if you come to the conclusion that there is a gain from the magnetic array. Then with reason that gain is their in the YOG. That energy is in a form of kinetic energy. That difference of energy in the YOG is what I’m trying to tap into.

I believe for the greater good is to stay on track and try to help as many people as I can along the way.

If your not convince that’s ok the replicators are on it. It will just confirm on what I have been saying.

Remember at any point anybody can see for them self,  just by building it. 

Howard

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« Reply #164 on: November 03, 2009, 07:46:00 PM »
Howard,

You can double The door lock throw by mounting it in the center beneath the gear, attaching a slotted lever between the wheel and the solenoid plunger an a pin at the 3 o'clock position and switching it open and close on each rotation to withdrawn center then the 9 O'clock extended position. This requires switching twice instead of just once, but may save you a trip to the auto parts store. A resonant feedback capacitor, either in series or parallel between the coil and battery would capture the collapsing magnetic field when the contacts open, and return it to the coil to augment the charge from the battery for the pulse. This results in a 50% savings of input power. Furthermore, you can measure any power generated by pulsing the pendulum from the bottom center against a face down disc neo attached to the bottom of the pendulum and measure the current it takes to move it the same distance as the magnet track.

 

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