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Author Topic: Has anyone heard how to replicate the John Kanzius salt water burn experiment?  (Read 9432 times)

Offline kolbacict

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That is, is it enough to connect a high-frequency generator to one electrode of a conventional electrolyzer with direct current? By separating the DC source with a high voltage high frequency choke?  :)
The drawings in the patent show 12 milliliters per minute of gas at an input of 500 watts of RF power.It is not enough. Or did I not understand something?

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To Debye-level ?
Hydrolysis is also purity grade dependent,we need for theoretically 100% pure  hydrogen clearly more energetic force input than for 99% or less purity !

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That is, is it enough to connect a high-frequency generator to one electrode of a conventional electrolyzer with direct current? By separating the DC source with a high voltage high frequency choke?  :)
No
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[0012] The method according to the invention has the advantage over established electrolysis methods using a DC voltage that no direct contact between a feed means (preferably electrodes) and water (or the water phase) is necessary and thus electrode corrosion (or corrosion of the feed means) can be completely avoided. This not only extends the life of the cell for hydrogen production, but also avoids contamination of the treated waters with components of the electrode material (often heavy metals such as copper, nickel, tungsten). With regard to the electrically conductive electrode material, there are practically no restrictions in the method according to the invention. The method can thus be made very robust and low maintenance. Analogously, these advantages also result over other methods in which there is direct contact between electrodes and water.
[0013] In contrast to established electrolysis processes according to the prior art, almost any salt water (eg sea water) can be used for the water splitting according to the invention without the risk of undesired anodic chlorine formation from chloride with all its undesired consequences (formation of carcinogenic chlorinated organic compounds, if organic compounds are contained in the water) occurs. This is an advantage in areas of high solar radiation, where often only salt water is available in sufficient quantity. In a back conversion of hydrogen into electrical energy (for example, in a fuel cell or by catalytic processes in combination with the use of thermal energy) is produced as a reaction product pure, salt-free water that can be used as drinking water.
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102011081915A1/en
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Beside applied research in the Department of Environmental Engineering also new and fundamental effects are investigated in order to evaluate their application potential. A good example for such an effect is the electrode less water “electrolysis” in a radio frequency (13.56 MHz) plasma, also called “burning water”. In contrast to well known common electrolysis water is here dissociated into hydrogen and oxygen without direct contact of water with the RF electrodes, thus, avoiding corrosion of and undesired chemical reactions at the electrode surfaces
https://www.ufz.de/index.php?en=37418

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Maybe Zografos had something similar ?

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Maybe..Petros Zografos has 3 components:
1. High-frequency field, probably pulsed - low current consumption due to long pauses. How high frequency?

Is difficult to guess. 20 GHz weakly penetrates deionized water, several millimeters. Its spectrum analyzer without a special outer part (not present on the video) shows frequencies up to 21 GHz.Waveguides are too large for 20 GHz, they are more suitable for 10 GHz.Probably 10 - 20 GHz, no more.

2. Synchronous mechanical action: - low-frequency power transistors in TO-247 case under the wrapper; - coil under the test tube.The patent also contains elements of this.Ultrasonic or sound effects.  In the video, he talks about the sound "pshshh".Usually this sound from water is a sign of sound above 15 kHz or ultrasound. Magnetic-mechanical source of vibrations.
3. The most incomprehensible component: "colloids", "metacolloids". It is completely unclear what it is.
Petros' messages about high temperature and pressure may relate to impulse processes occurring under the cumulative effect of factors from points 1 and 2 inside colloid particles.
Nanotechnology.
Due to the fact that the nature of these "metacolloids" is completely unclear, replication attempts are not possible. Postponed.  :-\

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    That is, is it enough to connect a high-frequency generator to one electrode of a conventional electrolyzer with direct current? By separating the DC source with a high voltage high frequency choke?  :)

No

Why not actually? During DC electrolysis, the entire electrode is enveloped in gas bubbles.When a radio frequency of sufficient power is supplied to it, plasma streamers will inevitably appear in this layer.It’s just that it’s unclear what will come of it.The main thing is not to forget to put the choke in order to decouple from the direct current ... :)

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what is the reason for this frequency?
13.56 MHz

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Offline kolbacict

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In any case, it would be interesting to investigate the impedance at different frequencies and RF powers.A cell with two electrodes running on direct current. Electrodes surrounded by a cloud of gas.And also by the dependence of the impedance at the RF on the magnitude of the constant current.Maybe someone has done such research ?

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For some reason, it experimentally shows an increase in high-frequency current through the cell, when a direct current is passed through it. This is not clear to me. After all, there is an intense gas release.
There is more gas than electrolyte in the gap between the electrodes. Resistance must rise ...
The high frequency and DC circuits are decoupled by the inductor.

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